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Or use a different account, as we have established the user ultimately has control over their ban status on cam sites. We're also seeing that there may be more pros to being a free user than cons.


The only pros I can see for what you're really on about is the fact you're invisible to the models. Which sure, I agree to an extent CAN be a positive BUT you will find that most times in the smaller rooms, you're not invisible to the model, they are just more than likely ignoring you. Ultimately the joy, fun, and generosity of being able to give a model tokens for their time are really fantastic if you do it right. I understand that feeling of maybe feeling "robbed" when you find out that model may just be putting on a persona, BUT did you enjoy it at the time? If so, and you tipped her, then what is wrong with that? Like previously mentioned, it's for entertainment and it's up to you how you use that with the model and your tokens. I am one who will talk, laugh and joke with a model (in free at least) and because we're having a great time, give her a tip - even if it's only enough that day to give her a rate/thumbs up (CB).

It's not bad to be cheap if you can't afford it, I have to be sometimes but to try to take advantage of those in 3rd world countries and the likes is just fucked up


"I was a gray user for months"

"I've been on cam sites since 2012"

So which is it?


I guess technically it is months... just many of them lol.
 

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Why can't it be both? Is gray the only color available?

Here, let me rephrase: did it take you seven years to buy $15 worth of tokens?
 

BlueTornado

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Here, let me rephrase: did it take you seven years to buy $15 worth of tokens?

What if I used different sites or only sparingly used sites for a while?

Again, as I have established, it is hard to justify paying for camgirls. If you watch enough of them, you will see everything for free, while likely not getting banned or having to deal with them. Porn is easier and mostly free, Real life is preferential.
 

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The only pros I can see for what you're really on about is the fact you're invisible to the models. Which sure, I agree to an extent CAN be a positive BUT you will find that most times in the smaller rooms, you're not invisible to the model, they are just more than likely ignoring you. Ultimately the joy, fun, and generosity of being able to give a model tokens for their time are really fantastic if you do it right. I understand that feeling of maybe feeling "robbed" when you find out that model may just be putting on a persona, BUT did you enjoy it at the time? If so, and you tipped her, then what is wrong with that? Like previously mentioned, it's for entertainment and it's up to you how you use that with the model and your tokens. I am one who will talk, laugh and joke with a model (in free at least) and because we're having a great time, give her a tip - even if it's only enough that day to give her a rate/thumbs up (CB).

It's not bad to be cheap if you can't afford it, I have to be sometimes but to try to take advantage of those in 3rd world countries and the likes is just fucked up


I guess technically it is months... just many of them lol.

The biggest pro is that it is free.

My penis doesn't really care what country you are from if you are attractive.

Multiple sites have multiple colors of users.
 
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What if I used different sites or only sparingly used sites for a while?

Again, as I have established, it is hard to justify paying for camgirls. If you watch enough of them, you will see everything for free, while likely not getting banned or having to deal with them. Porn is easier and mostly free, Real life is preferential.

So you’re a freeloading jerk. Why on earth do you think you’d find a sympathetic audience on a forum made for helping cam models and those who actually support them??! What do you actually hope to get out of this?
 

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So you’re a freeloading jerk. Why on earth do you think you’d find a sympathetic audience on a forum made for helping cam models and those who actually support them??! What do you actually hope to get out of this?

I've now spent money twice, and it still doesn't seem to be enough to please anyone here, does it? I need to spend more on something that is what I'm told 100% entertainment/fantasy (despite often being reality) because "(insert insult here)". Meanwhile, few of the people I've been arguing with, except for the one guy, seem to have spent any money to support various models.

What do you hope to get out of this? You've got to do much much better if you want to get me mad or if you want me to get you to call you a name in-return. A couple of tokens wouldn't hurt either 😁👍
 
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Pornhublive - Not a favorite of mine, but maybe it will be a thing someday.

White label for Streamate. Is and has been a thing. But you can't get much for free there, huh? Yeah, that bothers a lot of guys like you.
 

BlueTornado

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White label for Streamate. Is and has been a thing. But you can't get much for free there, huh? Yeah, that bothers a lot of guys like you.
The video player is just too big.

How much money have you spent to support various models?
 

BlueTornado

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So, you're bad at the internet. Yes, I had realized that already.
I must be doing something right to spend nothing for a while as others drop thousands for the same thing.

I noticed you ignored my question:

How much money have you spent to support various models?
 
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The video player is just too big.

How much money have you spent to support various models?


You will find a lot of models have spent a lot, because they understand to help each other and all of the struggles etc associated with the industry.
 

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I must be doing something right to spend nothing for a while as others drop thousands for the same thing.

I noticed you ignored my question:

How much money have you spent to support various models?

You do keep editing your posts. I have noticed multiple times now that you keep adding to them after you've already posted them and so when people are replying to you, they are only seeing part of your post.

Anyway, most of us have spent a lot on other sex workers. I couldn't even tell you how much I've spent as I've been in this industry for seven years and like I said earlier, don't even go on a cam site unless I have money to spend.
 

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What was the purpose of this thread again? Was it to brag about spending almost a hundred tokens after being a grey for seven years?

I reread this clusterfuck of a thread. I'm also confused with how the responses are structured. OP you can select texts and reply to those. The bolding and italics make it hard to follow who originally wrote what.

Anywho, I can see why you were banned. Hella exhausting.

If this is a troll. Good job. If this is real, yikes.
 
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Background:
I was a gray user for months and just started paying for shows last week. I'm pretty savy in computers and know a lot of girls who are expert scammers. I never used to pay because the concept doesn't make sense to me. Why should I pay for girls to have orgasms? No one pays me for an orgasm! And I know none of these girls are really turned on by their users, nor do they see them as anything else but customers. And after many months of viewing these women, I've seen everything they could ever possibly do for free, so it doesn't make sense to pay.

My biggest thing is photos. I love photos of women. I would honestly choose a good photo of a girl over videos. My hope was that by becoming a green user, I could finally purchase some pictures of my favorite models and I could tip the people who treated me nicely as a gray user.

Becoming a paid user:
My very first day wasn't a good one. I don't use credit cards for stuff like this, so I bought a giftcard and exchanged it for tokens. I got 92 tokens on XHL for $15, which was not the exchange rate I was expecting.

On my first day as a paid user, I got close to around 30 messages. Keep in mind, I had been viewing some of these girls for months without them ever acknowledging me. So obviously, I knew they weren't really sincere and I was quite annoyed with my new found popularity.

Within the first hour of being a paid user, I was banned from a model for 30 days. What was my horrendous crime you may ask? I don't know. I thanked them for their work in private chat and told them I was busy at the moment and would chat with them later. I came back from lunch and discovered I was banned. NOTE TO ALL PERFORMERS - Banning users is a horrible way to get tips out of them.

While I was a gray, I did make friends with 2-3 models. I actually became a paid user just so I could tip them for being so cool to me. Becoming a paid user has ruined both of those friendships:

- I've been chatting with one for a month or two now. As soon as I became a green user, she got a lot more interested in me. This weekend she said her kid was really sick. She sent me a photo of her and she hit me up on whatsapp for tokens. I didn't really want anything from her, but I offered to buy some photos of her for some of the amount she wanted. Her kid may be sick, but she isn't sick enough to sell any photos for the price I was thinking. I really have no interest in chatting with someone who uses their kid for cash and that's the end of our friendship.

- The other model, I was tipping regularly and we became whatsapp friends. I asked to buy a photo, since they didn't have any available. She said I could, and asked me to tip her a few tokens for it. I did. She said she would do it for me after her show. I even said, "I will only do this because I trust you", and she said "I'm very trustworthy". I went to bed and when I woke up, no picture was on our whatsapp chat. While I use a translator to talk to her, she basically said something to the effect of "I price my work a little higher" and seemed to be wanting me to pay her more for a photo. I said "forget it, I don't want it anymore" and was not happy that I was getting held up for cash. She was very offended by this, and said something to the effect of "unless you apologize for saying that, you aren't getting a photo" and 4 days later, I still have no photo. In the end, she has likely lost $50 from me this month to scam me out of a small fee.

It's been about a week and it hasn't been a real fun one. Most of the girls do not take photos and do not seem to want to sell any. It is extremely confusing to me as these girls do everything on cam mostly to people who will never pay a single cent, while I'm willing to pay and most of them are not very interested. I really don't get the difference between photos and videos, but it is clear there must be a major one. I did find one girl who takes photos and she has gotten more money out of me than everyone else combined, which has been nice.

I've also ended up having to create a new account. I constantly feel pressured to tip, which I don't like. And I feel like if I don't tip, I'm going to get banned, as two girls have already done. Meanwhile, on my free account, no one bothers me and I can watch for hours without ever getting an annoying new friend request or getting banned for nothing.
This kind of character is why the trend of models doing ANYTHING in free chat is just a trend in the wrong direction. So many negative consequences in terms of models holding value longterm.
 
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Holy fuck, this thread is hilarious. Even more hilarious than the thread with BongaCams' posts about sending a bottles of cheap shampoo to models as a prizes for their hard work. Does anybody remember it?

Meanwhile, I sincerely can't get why entertain OP for free? It's what he wants. He loves a free entertainment and he has been getting A LOT of it right here.

This person has admitted that he has been a freeloader for seven years. This person has admitted that he prefers to stay grey *no matter what his reasons are*, regardless of all your posts.
AmberCutie has made a good point about "helping him to understand how cam-world works". Sometimes it actually works. But not this time. This person is clearly confronting the models and other members and purely ignoring their arguments.
This person won't learn anything. He came to get a free entertainment ONLY. Otherwise, he would have learned something from all those models' posts. But it wasn't his goal.

I don't know if he's a godlike troll or just sick in the head but it doesn't matter as long as he gets what he wants. I.e. your FREE attention.

P.S. If OP will reply to this, please, somebody, let him know that my second post will cost $15. I'm waiting for him to pay or I don't give a fuck.

🍭
 

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I've now spent money twice,
In 7 years.

You should totally just settle on being a freeloader. But the only freeloaders that aren't bothersome are the quiet ones. You've made too much noise here. Just pipe down and watch as a guest if you don't want any flak.

And refuse to learn anything. So we're done here.

Oh and I know you didn't ask ME in particular, but:

How much money have you spent to support various models?

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That's my member account. You get 1 reward point for every 10 tokens you buy... tokens cost between roughly 8-10 cents USD each. Hell, just the amount of tokens in my account to spend right now is more than you ever did...
 
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