I don't get it ?

[JerryBoBerry]

You're sort of looking at it completely backwards. It's because "bootyholios" are meant for "other stuff" that certain guys really get off on this. In another thread I commented that most porn is created by men who hate women, and I had geniuses argue my point, saying that porn was created by men who just don't care about women. As if there's a difference between hating someone and viewing them as a disposable commodity, not caring if someone is hurt during filming, or catches a disease, etc. Which brings us to the prevalence of certain practices like anal and ATM in porn. The idea is that by forcing the woman to do these things, you are both degrading her and showing your dominance over her. It's very much a practice that shows hatred and contempt of women since a woman can be injured during anal sex and ATM is extremely risky in terms of disease.

Ass to mouth. The #2 killer of all people everywhere. Only surpassed by the deadly squirting on library seats.

 

[Azhrarn]

Leaving the ATM and the "porn is created by men who hate women" on the side (because I'm not going to argue about that with you, that's just ridiculous) - do you seriously believe that every man who has anal sex with a women does it because he hates her? Do you know how many couples have anal sex regularly? Do you know that women who have anal sex with their partners do that because they like it and enjoy it?

Not what I said. I've had anal sex with my girlfriends. I was referring to anal sex as it's practiced in adult films, which is different. Also noticed you didn't comment on the practice of ATM, either in real life or adult films. Is that something that most women enjoy in their personal lives?

As for the porn industry, lots of ex-porn stars have written about their experiences. It's not exactly the dark side of the moon.

 

[DuoShi]

So, I saw a model doing a private this morning before I went to work. I hadn't seen this model do a private before, to my recollection, so I looked at her profile to find any mentioning of privates. I didn't find anything, so I sent her a MFC Mail asking about requirements for privates. She read it, but didn't answer. What I don't get is reading an MFC Mail and not answering it when it's not a rude on or anything like that.

 

[JoleneBrody]

So, I saw a model doing a private this morning before I went to work. I hadn't seen this model do a private before, to my recollection, so I looked at her profile to find any mentioning of privates. I didn't find anything, so I sent her a MFC Mail asking about requirements for privates. She read it, but didn't answer. What I don't get is reading an MFC Mail and not answering it when it's not a rude on or anything like that.

I do this all the time if I'm not in a good place to respond and plan to just do it later. Especially if I'm in my phone, I'm usually to curious not to read it! Maybe she'll get back to you later

 

[Ann_Sulu]

So, I saw a model doing a private this morning before I went to work. I hadn't seen this model do a private before, to my recollection, so I looked at her profile to find any mentioning of privates. I didn't find anything, so I sent her a MFC Mail asking about requirements for privates. She read it, but didn't answer. What I don't get is reading an MFC Mail and not answering it when it's not a rude on or anything like that.

I do this all the time if I'm not in a good place to respond and plan to just do it later. Especially if I'm in my phone, I'm usually to curious not to read it! Maybe she'll get back to you later

Ah hadn't thought of that...very true. For this reason I often tell members I'll get back within 24hrs.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

So, I saw a model doing a private this morning before I went to work. I hadn't seen this model do a private before, to my recollection, so I looked at her profile to find any mentioning of privates. I didn't find anything, so I sent her a MFC Mail asking about requirements for privates. She read it, but didn't answer. What I don't get is reading an MFC Mail and not answering it when it's not a rude on or anything like that.

I do this all the time if I'm not in a good place to respond and plan to just do it later. Especially if I'm in my phone, I'm usually to curious not to read it! Maybe she'll get back to you later

Or she doesn't usually do privates, decided to on a whim, and hasn't decided if it's something she does yet. I don't usually do privates but I have done them very selectively for funsies, and then it takes a day or so of processing to decide if I want to start doing them or if that was a one time thing.

Edit: Or if she has decided to start doing them, she hasn't figured out her requirements yet, so she really might not have an answer for you.

 

[Azhrarn]

So, I saw a model doing a private this morning before I went to work. I hadn't seen this model do a private before, to my recollection, so I looked at her profile to find any mentioning of privates. I didn't find anything, so I sent her a MFC Mail asking about requirements for privates. She read it, but didn't answer. What I don't get is reading an MFC Mail and not answering it when it's not a rude on or anything like that.

It may have been she was making an exception for a regular. In my experience, the information on a girl's profile is generally true, but if you get to know her, and she likes you, she will often make exceptions for you. I have one girl on Kik whose profile says she doesn't use it. Also have another girl on Skype whose profile says, "Absolutely no Skypes."

 

[fandango]

On topic, I don't get the big deal with ass-to-mouth, or why so many guys on camsites are insistent on seeing it.

Me neither o_o
I don't think I've ever seen it live on a camsite, but I can't understand porn actresses who do that, either.
Surely even after 5 enemas and 48 hours of not eating anything, they still can't get rid of the thought that bootyholios are actually meant for other stuff that you never ever want in your mouth? :|

You're sort of looking at it completely backwards. It's because "bootyholios" are meant for "other stuff" that certain guys really get off on this. In another thread I commented that most porn is created by men who hate women, and I had geniuses argue my point, saying that porn was created by men who just don't care about women. As if there's a difference between hating someone and viewing them as a disposable commodity, not caring if someone is hurt during filming, or catches a disease, etc. Which brings us to the prevalence of certain practices like anal and ATM in porn. The idea is that by forcing the woman to do these things, you are both degrading her and showing your dominance over her. It's very much a practice that shows hatred and contempt of women since a woman can be injured during anal sex and ATM is extremely risky in terms of disease.

If I follow on with your logic does this also mean that all gay people who have anal sex hate themselves? or do they just hate all other men? or is it just that particular man they happen to be with and want to destroy his asshole/give him a disease?

 

[weirdbr]

So, I saw a model doing a private this morning before I went to work. I hadn't seen this model do a private before, to my recollection, so I looked at her profile to find any mentioning of privates. I didn't find anything, so I sent her a MFC Mail asking about requirements for privates. She read it, but didn't answer. What I don't get is reading an MFC Mail and not answering it when it's not a rude on or anything like that.

I do this all the time if I'm not in a good place to respond and plan to just do it later. Especially if I'm in my phone, I'm usually to curious not to read it! Maybe she'll get back to you later

+10^100

I personally hate all communication systems that tell the sender that I have read their message because it leads them getting the wrong impression that I am ignoring them when I am not.

I usually read all my e-mail/IM first and then go back and reply to anything that needs an answer simply because I need as much context as possible (specially in a site like MFC where the mail system doesn't handle proper threading). What if I reply with an angry reply to something as soon as I read the first message and then the very next message I read is from the sender going 'really sorry about that, I was being unreasonable'? That reply I sent was unnecessary and probably did more harm than good, just because I was in a hurry to reply...

And another possible scenario - what if I read it on a phone, which has a horrible keyboard to reply on? I personally hate replying/chatting to people on mobile because mobile keyboards suck and voice to text still sucks in 2015.. So, the reason I am not replying to you right now isn't because you deserve to be ignored - I'm not replying to you right now simply because you deserve the full attention (and frustration-free) reply from a full-sized keyboard instead.

 

[Azhrarn]

On topic, I don't get the big deal with ass-to-mouth, or why so many guys on camsites are insistent on seeing it.

Me neither o_o
I don't think I've ever seen it live on a camsite, but I can't understand porn actresses who do that, either.
Surely even after 5 enemas and 48 hours of not eating anything, they still can't get rid of the thought that bootyholios are actually meant for other stuff that you never ever want in your mouth? :|

You're sort of looking at it completely backwards. It's because "bootyholios" are meant for "other stuff" that certain guys really get off on this. In another thread I commented that most porn is created by men who hate women, and I had geniuses argue my point, saying that porn was created by men who just don't care about women. As if there's a difference between hating someone and viewing them as a disposable commodity, not caring if someone is hurt during filming, or catches a disease, etc. Which brings us to the prevalence of certain practices like anal and ATM in porn. The idea is that by forcing the woman to do these things, you are both degrading her and showing your dominance over her. It's very much a practice that shows hatred and contempt of women since a woman can be injured during anal sex and ATM is extremely risky in terms of disease.

If I follow on with your logic does this also mean that all gay people who have anal sex hate themselves? or do they just hate all other men? or is it just that particular man they happen to be with and want to destroy his asshole/give him a disease?

I'm not touching this with a 10-foot pole. There's nothing for me to say that hasn't already been said a million times over.

 

[Sevrin]

On topic, I don't get the big deal with ass-to-mouth, or why so many guys on camsites are insistent on seeing it.

Me neither o_o
I don't think I've ever seen it live on a camsite, but I can't understand porn actresses who do that, either.
Surely even after 5 enemas and 48 hours of not eating anything, they still can't get rid of the thought that bootyholios are actually meant for other stuff that you never ever want in your mouth? :|

You're sort of looking at it completely backwards. It's because "bootyholios" are meant for "other stuff" that certain guys really get off on this. In another thread I commented that most porn is created by men who hate women, and I had geniuses argue my point, saying that porn was created by men who just don't care about women. As if there's a difference between hating someone and viewing them as a disposable commodity, not caring if someone is hurt during filming, or catches a disease, etc. Which brings us to the prevalence of certain practices like anal and ATM in porn. The idea is that by forcing the woman to do these things, you are both degrading her and showing your dominance over her. It's very much a practice that shows hatred and contempt of women since a woman can be injured during anal sex and ATM is extremely risky in terms of disease.

If I follow on with your logic does this also mean that all gay people who have anal sex hate themselves? or do they just hate all other men? or is it just that particular man they happen to be with and want to destroy his asshole/give him a disease?

I'm not touching this with a 10-foot pole. There's nothing for me to say that hasn't already been said a million times over.

There truly is nothing new under the sun, bb. If you aren't planning to express opinions that haven't been expressed many times before by others anymore, I guess this is good bye?

 

[zippypinhead]

There truly is nothing new under the sun, bb. If you aren't planning to express opinions that haven't been expressed many times before by others anymore, I guess this is good bye?

One can hope.

 

[Azhrarn]

Pardon me for posting while you two are trolling.

 

[AmberCutie]

Pardon me for posting while you two are trolling.

Trolling =/= expressing one's dislike of your posting style.

 

[Sevrin]

That is Ass to mouth.

Yep, it is functionally the same thing. However it's done, it's a turn-off for me.

ETA: I guess I was thinking of direct oral/anal contact, which I have not seen on MFC.

Rimming or salad tossing were some words you may have been looking for in this situation then.

It's pretty common in nature.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Azhrarn, mate, calm down. You're not being trolled. Presenting a viewpoint that is as anecdotal as it is steeped in reality as an absolutism might lead others to view you as a troll though. Also, know your audience. You're generalising about things that a majority of the posters on this forum might well practice, even tangentially, in their profession and home life.

Internalised misogyny is a thing, yes, and it's a thing that is undoubtedly present in some pornography, particularly pornography produced for/by men. But it doesn't follow that it's systemic and no amount of anecdotal evidence can prove otherwise. It also doesn't follow that every individual who likes taking it up the bottom is being degraded and/or disrespected, nor that every individual who enjoys having their phallus enveloped by human anus views womenfolk (or homosexual menfolk) as lesser than. Dominance/submission is not founded on disrespect and disdain.

Your overall point isn't a million miles from the truth, I don't think - A2M can be degrading to women and it likely speaks to a dominant/submissive dynamic of the folk involved, and it is entirely possible that some (maybe even many) men get off on the perceived power over a woman who they don't respect that the act grants them (in their mind at least) - but the way you present your point, with a needless over-reliance on generalisations, and an undeniable air of passive-aggression, probably isn't going to be well met on a forum primarily frequented by women (quite possibly women with high traffic anuses) who are a part of the very profession you're seemingly so desperate to summarise as "women being degraded by men for money" :twocents-02cents:

 

[SaffronBurke]

On topic, I don't get the big deal with ass-to-mouth, or why so many guys on camsites are insistent on seeing it.

Me neither o_o
I don't think I've ever seen it live on a camsite, but I can't understand porn actresses who do that, either.
Surely even after 5 enemas and 48 hours of not eating anything, they still can't get rid of the thought that bootyholios are actually meant for other stuff that you never ever want in your mouth? :|

You're sort of looking at it completely backwards. It's because "bootyholios" are meant for "other stuff" that certain guys really get off on this. In another thread I commented that most porn is created by men who hate women, and I had geniuses argue my point, saying that porn was created by men who just don't care about women. As if there's a difference between hating someone and viewing them as a disposable commodity, not caring if someone is hurt during filming, or catches a disease, etc. Which brings us to the prevalence of certain practices like anal and ATM in porn. The idea is that by forcing the woman to do these things, you are both degrading her and showing your dominance over her. It's very much a practice that shows hatred and contempt of women since a woman can be injured during anal sex and ATM is extremely risky in terms of disease.

Leaving the ATM and the "porn is created by men who hate women" on the side (because I'm not going to argue about that with you, that's just ridiculous) - do you seriously believe that every man who has anal sex with a women does it because he hates her? Do you know how many couples have anal sex regularly? Do you know that women who have anal sex with their partners do that because they like it and enjoy it?

Hi, I'm Saffron, I'm a woman, and I love putting things in my bootyholio. They're just not allowed in any other orifice after without being sanitized first.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Top shelf bob! Right on! Cheerio!
Nailed it!

I also love stuff in my butt! I don't have 1 hour to watch a real worl Anal build up so, thank you porn for hurrying the process along with a little unrealistic fantasy speed.

Also, I've asked many dudes about ass to mouth and why they like it. Consensus? "It's forbidden and if a girl wants to do it, SHE must be extra naughty!"

That's the gist every time. Not one person has said "cuz fuck that bitch!"

 

[Azhrarn]

Azhrarn, mate, calm down. You're not being trolled. Presenting a viewpoint that is as anecdotal as it is steeped in reality as an absolutism might lead others to view you as a troll though. Also, know your audience. You're generalising about things that a majority of the posters on this forum might well practice, even tangentially, in their profession and home life.

Internalised misogyny is a thing, yes, and it's a thing that is undoubtedly present in some pornography, particularly pornography produced for/by men. But it doesn't follow that it's systemic and no amount of anecdotal evidence can prove otherwise. It also doesn't follow that every individual who likes taking it up the bottom is being degraded and/or disrespected, nor that every individual who enjoys having their phallus enveloped by human anus views womenfolk (or homosexual menfolk) as lesser than. Dominance/submission is not founded on disrespect and disdain.

Your overall point isn't a million miles from the truth, I don't think - A2M can be degrading to women and it likely speaks to a dominant/submissive dynamic of the folk involved, and it is entirely possible that some (maybe even many) men get off on the perceived power over a woman who they don't respect that the act grants them (in their mind at least) - but the way you present your point, with a needless over-reliance on generalisations, and an undeniable air of passive-aggression, probably isn't going to be well met on a forum primarily frequented by women (quite possibly women with high traffic anuses) who are a part of the very profession you're seemingly so desperate to summarise as "women being degraded by men for money" :twocents-02cents:

I post from the standpoint of a “normal” heterosexual male. I don’t normally take into account things such as gay sex, and I don’t know why I should. This forum is supposed to be about MFC, which is a cam girl website. So if anyone wants to discuss gay sex or gay anything, look elsewhere, I’m not your person. It also seems to me that anyone trying to dictate what subjects I have to discuss, especially when those subjects involved gay sex, is more than a little confused if not arrogant; and if that’s the reason they’re here, maybe they’re the ones who should leave and look for a more appropriate forum to hold those discussions.

My opinion of most pornography being misogynistic is simply the result of personal observation; and if you want to narrow the discussion to MFC and cam girls, then I would say that the ways that male posters on this forum are typically treated is pretty revealing with regards to how cam girls perceive themselves, their profession, and their male regulars. There’s no need for me to make an argument when it’s already being made for me by others so eloquently.

As for dominance and submission, I wasn’t referring to the idealized world of the fetish subculture. I was referring to “ordinary" guys who would never sign a contract, never respect a “safe word” and who find women who aren’t going to bother them with such niceties. If you want to argue that all MFC cam girls (and their partners) are too enlightened to fit within the scope of my remarks, well, take a look out there at the broader world. It isn’t all sunshine and roses.

 

[AerynShade]

 

[JubalCobb]

If I follow on with your logic does this also mean that all gay people who have anal sex hate themselves? or do they just hate all other men? or is it just that particular man they happen to be with and want to destroy his asshole/give him a disease?

careful, that straw man you set on fire could burn someone.

 

[hapa74]

...and if you want to narrow the discussion to MFC and cam girls, then I would say that the ways that male posters on this forum are typically treated is pretty revealing with regards to how cam girls perceive themselves, their profession, and their male regulars. There’s no need for me to make an argument when it’s already being made for me by others so eloquently.

As to this point, my personal experience has been quite different, I think I'm treated and perceived quite well.

As for the rest of your post well...

 

[Azhrarn]

...and if you want to narrow the discussion to MFC and cam girls, then I would say that the ways that male posters on this forum are typically treated is pretty revealing with regards to how cam girls perceive themselves, their profession, and their male regulars. There’s no need for me to make an argument when it’s already being made for me by others so eloquently.

As to this point, my personal experience has been quite different, I think I'm treated and perceived quite well.

Yes, because the exception doesn't prove the rule, does it?

 

[Sevrin]

I post from the standpoint of a “normal” heterosexual male.
<snip.>
I was referring to “ordinary" guys who would never sign a contract, never respect a “safe word” and who find women who aren’t going to bother them with such niceties.

So you would be "normal", but not "ordinary", then? I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make or why you are attempting to set yourself above the rest of us pervs.

Anyway, I think that you are confounding misogyny with the exploitation of women's sexual attractiveness to men. I'm sure that there are some people in the porn industry who treat women as "product", or as cattle, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily hate them. If I really hated women, I doubt that I'd want to be involved with them as much as a porn peddler would be. What's more, there are guys who hate women in every walk of life, aren't there?

I mean someone like Leo running MFC isn't there to read models a bedtime story every night before tucking them in, but that doesn't mean that he hates the models who work on his site, any more than my boss hates me. Some times business is just business.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

...and if you want to narrow the discussion to MFC and cam girls, then I would say that the ways that male posters on this forum are typically treated is pretty revealing with regards to how cam girls perceive themselves, their profession, and their male regulars. There’s no need for me to make an argument when it’s already being made for me by others so eloquently.

As to this point, my personal experience has been quite different, I think I'm treated and perceived quite well.

Yes, because the exception doesn't prove the rule, does it?

Roffle...uh no. Try that hapa74 doesn't seem to cause drama. In fact if you'll reread a bit, you'll notice the guys who posted replies to you...were basically all just trying to diffuse your drama or asking you in one way or another to calm it down. Seriously though, this is ridiculous, and after all we don't want anyone to get butthurt now do we?

Ok, that last sentence was intentional "slight" trolling. Couldn't help myself. ^.^'

I think it's safe to say that a lot of stuff in the adult industry is misunderstood by people jumping to conclusions. If you're a perfectly normal guy who isn't into fetishes (whatever) then great, but stop telling us how things are when you claim you're not even into the culture. Personally I love anal. You can have your view about porn, but we feel it's wrong, quite frankly ridiculous and would like the discussion to stop. Ok?

 

[hapa74]

...and if you want to narrow the discussion to MFC and cam girls, then I would say that the ways that male posters on this forum are typically treated is pretty revealing with regards to how cam girls perceive themselves, their profession, and their male regulars. There’s no need for me to make an argument when it’s already being made for me by others so eloquently.

As to this point, my personal experience has been quite different, I think I'm treated and perceived quite well.

Yes, because the exception doesn't prove the rule, does it?

No it doesn't, but it's a bit of a two way street, isn't it?

(I was anticipating this response, because it's...well...a bit, typical.)

 

[Azhrarn]

I think it's safe to say that a lot of stuff in the adult industry is misunderstood by people jumping to conclusions. If you're a perfectly normal guy who isn't into fetishes (whatever) then great, but stop telling us how things are when you claim you're not even into the culture. Personally I love anal. You can have your view about porn, but we feel it's wrong, quite frankly ridiculous and would like the discussion to stop. Ok?

I only posted to point out that everyone was trying to pretend that anal sex doesn't generally have certain connotations with men, and I stood up and said, yeah it does. Now if that's not the connotation it has for you, great. I never meant to imply it had the same meaning for everyone. Can we all play nicely now?

 

[SaffronBurke]

I also love stuff in my butt! I don't have 1 hour to watch a real worl Anal build up so, thank you porn for hurrying the process along with a little unrealistic fantasy speed.

This is precisely it. Porn doesn't include the build up for anal on film, and instead keeps it behind the scenes, because porn consumers wanna see that dick go in that butthole right now, not after waiting for all the prep - that's done before the shoot, so that when it's time to switch to anal, the stars can handle it.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

I think it's safe to say that a lot of stuff in the adult industry is misunderstood by people jumping to conclusions. If you're a perfectly normal guy who isn't into fetishes (whatever) then great, but stop telling us how things are when you claim you're not even into the culture. Personally I love anal. You can have your view about porn, but we feel it's wrong, quite frankly ridiculous and would like the discussion to stop. Ok?

I only posted to point out that everyone was trying to pretend that anal sex doesn't generally have certain connotations with men, and I stood up and said, yeah it does. Now if that's not the connotation it has for you, great. I never meant to imply it had the same meaning for everyone. Can we all play nicely now?

I'll play nice. No offence, hard feels or anything, but if you don't want this sort of thing happening again I suggest not talking about how most this or that do this or that, especially if you're also going to claim you're not "one of the types into that." I'm not into ass to mouth, but I only say that when I'm not into something. If you're wanting to say what you thinkk it means without sounding like you know everything...perhaps saying it this way- "I'm not into it, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been lead to think xyz might be the reason certain people are into it"

You're sort of looking at it completely backwards. It's because "bootyholios" are meant for "other stuff" that certain guys really get off on this. In another thread I commented that most porn is created by men who hate women, and I had geniuses argue my point, saying that porn was created by men who just don't care about women.

The absolute phrases in bold were the main thing that bothered us, and I didn't see the thread regarding porn, but you came off as a very arrogant know-it-all afterward. There can be many reasons why different people enjoy the same fetish. I know I'm sounding like one myself as I type thing explaining little things like that, but there are quite a few who come to this forum, and automatically think we're bad people after making posts like this that are rather attacking-sounding. Like hapa74 said it's a two-way street. We're willing to play nice if you don't seem to be playing mean first.

 

[JickyJuly]

What could possibly be more degrading than allowing other people to decide where the line between degradation and amusement must be drawn for you?