Re: INFURIATED, feel I'm being scammed on a 1400 token skype
Evvie said:
My own comment...
Plenty of models take money for videos/skype because the money is there and available, don't really want to do the video/skype, and then feel anxious when the member begins to actually ask for what he paid for.
As the models say they are trying to "find time" or "get ready" or "get in the mood" for the video/skype (that they don't want to do in the first place), the member begins to feel upset that it's been 3 weeks without any news and places pressure on her to hold up her end of the deal.
The model then tells herself that he's being an impatient asshole, and that if that's the kind of attitude he has then he's the jerk that can screw off - therefore successfully turning the honest, paying member in to the bad guy and relieving herself of all emotional burden, plus also she gets to keep $70.
This may sound convoluted but I assure you, it is not. It is extremely common and I've seen models feel that it's okay for members to wait months upon months for what they pay for because they "can't find the motivation" to deliver - and models who get paid hundreds upon hundreds of dollars and then decide to put the member in his place, ban him, and move on when he keeps asking for his skype show weeks later.
I would like to clarify that, from an objective standpoint, this is obviously just plain stealing. However, from an emotional/mental standpoint, it is very easy to see the model's side of things - whether or not you necessarily agree.
People just really hate pressure in general. And, money that was given to you five days ago, that you now safely have in your pocket, is surprisingly not a great motivator for you to do something today. Also understand that for many models, it is a daily struggle to earn their goals and it's tough to take an hour or two out of your day to skype with someone who tipped you three weeks ago - because that money sure isn't earning any goals today. It turns in to a cycle where models, already being given money, feel a combination of apathy (because they've already earned the tip) and stress (because the member wants delivery on the product) that turns in to a giant momentum-less anxiety hairball, which they will either ignore entirely (by ignoring the member or staying off cam altogether) or confront (either by telling the member to go screw himself if he can't indefinitely until she feels ready to work; or, sometimes, by doing the skype show). And this happens all the time with models considered to be good, honest, et cetera.
Imo, it's just something that happens, which is probably a big reason so many guys have trouble deciding to spend on new models. Heck, I've done it myself. To be honest, if she doesn't want to do the skype show, you're boned. Regardless of her motivation, or whether or not she's a blatant thief, you can't win.
Great post, Evvie.
I'd like to add that I, too, have been boned on Skype shows in the past. I've been owed shows from 2 separate models for over a year. But, they always find some excuse when it is brought up. "Oh, didn't we already do it?" No, check your Skype history, it tells you when you have done calls and IMs. "Well, I'm trying to make my goal today." That's all fine and dandy, how about when you log off? "I have to do something after I log off." Obviously. One of them tried pulling the "well, you never collected on it" card, which I was like BECAUSE YOU NEVER FULFILLED YOUR END!
So, needless to say, neither of those models has gotten any of my tokens in over a year.
Ironically, the one who tried to pull the you never collected card, to this day, STILL sends me Skype messages asking if I want to buy a show on Skype from her, through Paypal. And when I bring up the fact she still owes me one, she quickly logs off Skype.
Now, more recently, I had made a deal with a model, but I couldn't find the time when we'd both be available. So we came to an arrangement of videos and such instead. That's all fine. She doesn't normally do them, but I offered to help her reach her big goal for the night in exchange for one. She was willing to do the show, but it all came down to me not having the time when we'd both be awake or online but her not on MFC at similar times. This was also done all through PMs, the initial arrangement, so no one in the room knew about it; nor did she have a topic offering Skype shows.
I've also been owed 2 shows from 2 other models for the past few months. The one I have been friends with for a while, and I brought it up the other night. She said she knows, and she promised we'd do it in Early September. The other one has been kind of dragging me along, though, which has been getting annoying.
Bottom line, though, is if a model isn't willing to do the Skype show, she shouldn't put it in her topic. Dragging a member who has paid the tokens for a Skype show along for months or longer isn't any way to do business. If she's doing them for quick camscore boosts, then she should be willing to do them that day or at least within the next 24 hours. The longer she ends up waiting to do the Skype show, the bigger chance she'll decide she doesn't actually need to do it; especially, since as Evvie said, those tokens are already paid out, so they're not helping her goals down the line.
For members, if you pay for a Skype show, try to get it done as fast as possible. I know a few models who log out for the Skype shows pretty much as soon as they get the tokens. Look for models like that if you really want to do a show on Skype. Because you know they'll do it. Or look for ones who make arrangements immediately, even if it is for a few days later during a time they know they're normally free. Don't always go for cheap Skype prices, though... if they don't log out as soon as they get the tokens and tell the room they're going Skype, it's not always guaranteed to be something they'll always go through with.
Also, if you want one, look for models that you've heard follow through.
However, at the same time, it's not something to bring up every time you see the model if you're owed one. Maybe if the show has taken a week or more give a reminder, in PM or nonpublic tip note. Don't sound impatient by mentioning it every day. But also don;t let it completely slide if it is taking a while. And if it is taking too long, well, simply stop tipping her; and if she wonders why you used to tip but stopped, remind her that you paid for something and she hasn't delivered. If that doesn't bring her around, then simply stop even visiting her room.
I understand the appeal of the Skype shows, though. Better camera quality (provided you both have enough bandwidth, I did one show with a model and it ended up not being as good as even MFC's quality because her bandwidth dropped, but I didn't want to seem rude about it so I continued with it), no lag if you both want to hear each other, more intimate than even a true private/exclusive (site dependent). But, they're not always the best of deals for members or models.
