Life changing events-how tokens can change ones life or should they?

[pbonACF]

What camming sites have done now is blurred the lines between what is real and what is not.

Sorta ike DisneyWorld, Social Media, Fashion Mags, Golf, Novels?

Treat a cam model like a person, respect that they know what they're doing and what their goals are. Be honest about what you want from the 'relationship' and respect boundaries. Maybe don't show up drunk would be a good thing too

 

[Lilly_____]

What I am trying to say is that there exists a huge income inequality between the US and other countries. So in some ways this is not a level playing field. Sorry, I tend to think differently than most.

Thanks for explaining to me, how could I, a person who actually lives in "other countries" know that? And yes you actually think exactly like most.

I'm not going to entertain your limited and close minded idea of what the world is like any further. Educate yourself. The world is a huuuuuuge place.

 

[FunkyAngelxo]

What I am trying to say is that there exists a huge income inequality between the US and other countries. So in some ways this is not a level playing field. Sorry, I tend to think differently than most.

No industry has a level playing field. There is also a huge outgoings inequality between the US and other countries. Cost of living and working can vary dramatically even within the same country.

 

[rockin_rod]

That dude probably wishes that wedding vows still ended with “…I now pronounce you MAN and WIFE.”

^This! Back when I got married (didn't last, but not relevant) we looked at all the 'standard' vows and agreed they were all at least 300 years out of touch.
Crossed out so many lines (like the 'promise to obey' shit) that there wasn't much left, so we wrote our own vows instead.
At the end, the Celebrant got to say 'I now pronounce you ready to PARTY!!!!'

 

[luxgray]

There are a few assumptions baked into your argument. One - that sex work is "degrading." Honestly, this is the least degrading job I've ever had. Working under capitalism, under managers and owners and bosses, sucks. Here I'm in total control of my work and working conditions. I think that this insidious and often silent belief is caused by and causes all of the discrimination, violence, etcetc towards SWs. I can't speak for models that are not from the U.S., but I believe that most of the time they are making the choice to enter the profession of their own volition. Sex trafficking - different convo.

Also, you seem to present this as pure "charity." However, I'd be hard-pressed to believe that you're not even a little scintillated by the models. So you are getting something for the money you are providing. We are working and providing a service that you are taking advantage of. So this is not purely a giving act.

I would say that unless you are able to see this as a business transaction and not attach sickly shade of moralism, colonialist ideology you should find a different kind of porn that you enjoy. There are areas where yes, you can make that big difference in a charity vein. Such as addressing food insecurity in these countries, actual sex trafficking, ravages of war, the list goes on! Working hard to subvert and take advantage of historically oppressive cultural beliefs is not something we need to be "saved" from. However, I do step back because I live in the U.S. and I don't want to speak for my colleagues from different countries. Maybe you can actually speak to these models about these issues on these cam sites (while tipping appropriately for their time, based on your income - not based on the exchange rate in their country.) I think that their answers would be more illuminating

 

[cbhours]

If you want to drop thousands of dollars a month on a Venezuelan model don't let anyone here stop you.

 

[mika_kedi]

Maybe you can actually speak to these models about these issues on these cam sites

Lol I don't think that would work. I promise you if someone wants to "save me" on a camsite I'm gonna roll with it and get all the money I can get out of it and I'm sure I'm not the only one who would do that.

OP, I'm a struggling model in a poor eastern european country, come to my room, I will gladly tell you sad stories of how hard my life is and how you're my hero if you keep spending money. Just let me know how thick you want my accent to be and how much should I struggle with speaking English to match your fantasy.

 

[AudriTwo]

OP have you ever considered spending your money on therapy to deal with your savior complex?

 

[Hiunds]

Want to be charitable? There’s plenty of good charities out there you can donate to.

“but UNICEF don’t make me cum” lol

 

[luxgray]

If you want to drop thousands of dollars a month on a Venezuelan model don't let anyone here stop you.

Actually, nvm what I said. This!

 

[HeadyRaven]

Me, me, my ego. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I haven't been on sites for very long and can't say I'm any sort of expert, but isn't this what the "whale" thing is really about -- at least in part? I mean, people are criticizing this guy for his condescending, pitying, saviour attitude but yeah, there is also a huge ego showing and seems that is a often part of the motivation with so-called whales. It's largely dudes with a lot of money, seeking to impress not just a model but other dudes, while often at the same time trying to "help" or "support" the model... (I'm sure there's not a model here who wants to turn that down, right?) But at the same time, it's still some dude using economic imbalance to have power and influence and buy affection, attention, gratitude, or whatever. What I always wonder about most proverbial whales is what the interaction would look like in real life between them and a beautiful, wealthy woman who didn't need money and didn't have any motivation to ingratiate herself.

I've gone off on a tangent but just wondered about whether what this guy is saying is really all that different than a main element of a lot of "whales" -- except he's probably hiding the other parts (like wanting to feel like a savior, or even just wanting to date the model, or whatever less noble intentions he isn't saying).

 

[basileus]

I haven't been on sites for very long and can't say I'm any sort of expert, but isn't this what the "whale" thing is really about -- at least in part? I mean, people are criticizing this guy for his condescending, pitying, saviour attitude but yeah, there is also a huge ego showing and seems that is a often part of the motivation with so-called whales. It's largely dudes with a lot of money, seeking to impress not just a model but other dudes, while often at the same time trying to "help" or "support" the model... (I'm sure there's not a model here who wants to turn that down, right?) But at the same time, it's still some dude using economic imbalance to have power and influence and buy affection, attention, gratitude, or whatever. What I always wonder about most proverbial whales is what the interaction would look like in real life between them and a beautiful, wealthy woman who didn't need money and didn't have any motivation to ingratiate herself.

I've gone off on a tangent but just wondered about whether what this guy is saying is really all that different than a main element of a lot of "whales" -- except he's probably hiding the other parts (like wanting to feel like a savior, or even just wanting to date the model, or whatever less noble intentions he isn't saying).

Yes, I experienced whales of this kind as well.

I know a model from Romania who is rather new in the business, she was recognized by a very rich guy and has been getting visited by him nearly daily since a few weeks.

He spends about 5k tokens on her room daily at a minimum, regularly up to 15k and on top of that HD takes privates that are 3 or 4 hours long.

He also talks about love and saving her from her poor live in public as well, and tries to animate other visitors of the room to tip her to help and support her. He has been getting mad sometimes, even rude to others who did not tip until even the model had to calm things down a little bit.

His behaviour has made me not visit this room anymore and I bet she is a not very fond him, only of his tokens.

 

[basileus]

I haven't been on sites for very long and can't say I'm any sort of expert, but isn't this what the "whale" thing is really about -- at least in part? I mean, people are criticizing this guy for his condescending, pitying, saviour attitude but yeah, there is also a huge ego showing and seems that is a often part of the motivation with so-called whales. It's largely dudes with a lot of money, seeking to impress not just a model but other dudes, while often at the same time trying to "help" or "support" the model... (I'm sure there's not a model here who wants to turn that down, right?) But at the same time, it's still some dude using economic imbalance to have power and influence and buy affection, attention, gratitude, or whatever. What I always wonder about most proverbial whales is what the interaction would look like in real life between them and a beautiful, wealthy woman who didn't need money and didn't have any motivation to ingratiate herself.

I've gone off on a tangent but just wondered about whether what this guy is saying is really all that different than a main element of a lot of "whales" -- except he's probably hiding the other parts (like wanting to feel like a savior, or even just wanting to date the model, or whatever less noble intentions he isn't saying).

Yes, I experienced whales of this kind as well.

I know a model from Romania who is rather new in the business, she was recognized by a very rich guy and has been getting visited by him nearly daily since.

He spends about 5k tokens on her room daily at a minimum, regularly up to 15k and on top of that he takes privates that are 3 or 4 hours long.

He also talks about love and saving her from her poor live in Romanua in public chat as well, and tries to animate other visitors of the room to tip her to help and support her. He has been getting mad sometimes, even rude to others who did not tip until even the model had to calm things down a little bit.

 

[Lilly_____]

I haven't been on sites for very long and can't say I'm any sort of expert, but isn't this what the "whale" thing is really about -- at least in part? I mean, people are criticizing this guy for his condescending, pitying, saviour attitude but yeah, there is also a huge ego showing and seems that is a often part of the motivation with so-called whales. It's largely dudes with a lot of money, seeking to impress not just a model but other dudes, while often at the same time trying to "help" or "support" the model... (I'm sure there's not a model here who wants to turn that down, right?) But at the same time, it's still some dude using economic imbalance to have power and influence and buy affection, attention, gratitude, or whatever. What I always wonder about most proverbial whales is what the interaction would look like in real life between them and a beautiful, wealthy woman who didn't need money and didn't have any motivation to ingratiate herself.

I've gone off on a tangent but just wondered about whether what this guy is saying is really all that different than a main element of a lot of "whales" -- except he's probably hiding the other parts (like wanting to feel like a savior, or even just wanting to date the model, or whatever less noble intentions he isn't saying).

No, I wouldn't say whales spend out of charity or because they think the model is in need because her country is poor.
Whales spend because they like to spoil and they like the ego boost.

In fact most whales spend in models that don't actually need more money, they like luxurious models with luxurious lifestyles to maintain.
It's a bit like sugar babies. It's very rare to find a sugar daddy willing to spoil a girl who doesn't already have a nice wardrobe to wear to the first date or a nice repertoire and decent conversation topics. Even in times of extreme need I always pretended I was in top of my game, that's how you get men to spend on you, not making them feel sorry for you.

Some might give you a couple hundred dollars here and there out of pity? Sure. But a WHALE, a whale doesn't want a poor little helpless girl by his side.

There's where the ego boost comes from: any rando has a couple hundred to help a helpless lady out, but only a whale has the caliber to keep up with the lifestyle of a woman who wants expensive wine, nice bags and shoes, trips to nice places. That's what makes them feel special. That's why randos with no money come to poor models, so they can have a taste of that ego boost that usually only richer men can have, and for that they exploit poor, cheap models.

I say all of that because it's what I've experienced along the years and I was myself exploited in many many cases both by online and IRL clients that knew their money was valuable to me but the same amount wouldn't get them 15min with an american girl so they come here to power trip. And they know naive young workers aren't aware of that.

 

[HeadyRaven]

Whales spend because they like to spoil and they like the ego boost.

So this leads me to questions. As I said, I'm not deep in the sites at this point. I guess I could be a big spender and I have for short periods on various models but I haven't taken on one or more and made a huge, ongoing commitment - as some (most?) whales do.

What's the desired end game of the typical whale? Is it purely to get an ego boost by impressing a model with big gifts and support over time? (So all about ego?) Is it to "beat" orher whales? (also ego) Or is it to date/have a sugar baby relationship with the model in real life?

Maybe I'm just driven in a different way but I guess I can't relate so much to the ego-driven motives. No matter how much money I have, from a business standpoint, I can't see gain for me from showering money on someone who is already doing great - just to somehow claim to be part of it? Now maybe to date the woman - okay - at least there's a value for value exchange. Or helping someone who might really benefit; okay, maybe that could be nice too.

Otherwise, I guess the typical whale motivation isn't resonating with me. Trying to be an "alpha" in real life makes sense...but in fantasy? Why??? I don't get it...

 

[MarieElise]

I haven't been on sites for very long and can't say I'm any sort of expert, but isn't this what the "whale" thing is really about -- at least in part? I mean, people are criticizing this guy for his condescending, pitying, saviour attitude but yeah, there is also a huge ego showing and seems that is a often part of the motivation with so-called whales. It's largely dudes with a lot of money, seeking to impress not just a model but other dudes,

Nope. Most of my whales are highly sexual rich guys, who value the extra connection they can afford, because we both get off harder together. It's really that simple.

I'm sure there are some like you describe, but I think a lot of that is in jealous broke guy's heads tbh. But whatever... Maybe just don't over think it. It's not that deep imo.

Most whales don't pity at all. I think many whale wannabes do, because they think spending 50 or 100 bucks a week on a model makes them a whale. I've come across that a lot with scarcity mindset guys, so I just humor them and play along. But it's one of the ways I actually use to identify the true wealthy guys, from the more financially insecure dudes. And while cool to spend, and lauaghable to pity, yeah, not even the same league. But people get off on projecting their own shit, so they can go right ahead... it's just kind of crap to be honest. And mainly the analyzations of other voyeur type men, who in my opinion shouldn't be wasting their time nosing into the business of other dudes and what they do w cam models. Instead I would say they should get some real work done. But that's just my world view. Sorry. I'm blunt.

 

[basileus]

Yes,

No, I wouldn't say whales spend out of charity or because they think the model is in need because her country is poor.
Whales spend because they like to spoil and they like the ego boost.

In fact most whales spend in models that don't actually need more money, they like luxurious models with luxurious lifestyles to maintain.
It's a bit like sugar babies. It's very rare to find a sugar daddy willing to spoil a girl who doesn't already have a nice wardrobe to wear to the first date or a nice repertoire and decent conversation topics. Even in times of extreme need I always pretended I was in top of my game, that's how you get men to spend on you, not making them feel sorry for you.

Some might give you a couple hundred dollars here and there out of pity? Sure. But a WHALE, a whale doesn't want a poor little helpless girl by his side.

There's where the ego boost comes from: any rando has a couple hundred to help a helpless lady out, but only a whale has the caliber to keep up with the lifestyle of a woman who wants expensive wine, nice bags and shoes, trips to nice places. That's what makes them feel special. That's why randos with no money come to poor models, so they can have a taste of that ego boost that usually only richer men can have, and for that they exploit poor, cheap models.

I say all of that because it's what I've experienced along the years and I was myself exploited in many many cases both by online and IRL clients that knew their money was valuable to me but the same amount wouldn't get them 15min with an american girl so they come here to power trip. And they know naive young workers aren't aware of that.

I agree. Maybe "whale" is the wrong term for the guys who me and the other member talked about.

 

[HeadyRaven]

I think a lot of that is in jealous broke guy's heads tbh. But whatever... Maybe just don't over think it. It's not that deep imo.

Like I said, I haven't been into webcam sites for very long and I only heard the term "whale" for the first time a few months ago. I'm far from broke and definitely not overthinking anything. I happened to see an article about camming where a model talks a lot about the importance of whales and what she thinks motivates them (that's where I got the idea that a lot of it is about ego). The OP's comments got me interested enough to comment.

other voyeur type men, who in my opinion shouldn't be wasting their time nosing into the business of other dudes and what they do w cam models.

At least to me, someone spending $40,000, $75,000 or $100,000 a year supporting a webcam model or models, well, it's like anything that's unusual or stands out from the ordinary. People are going to wonder about it and maybe talk about it. It's human nature.

they should get some real work done.

I'm not sure what this means.

Maybe saying that all "whales" have the same motivation is overgeneralizing? Someone in another post talked about dudes who stop by a room once drop a huge amount, and then go on and do the same someplace else. Not sure if that's one kind of whale, and then there's some other kind that consistently supports one or more models over a long period of time.

Yes, the motivation question is fascinating to me. I can understand whales who are trying to have an actual relationship IRL with the models. Sugar daddy, or looking for escorts, or trying to buy a bride? I can understand being a big spender on any of those motives. But somewhere it was said that most of the whales aren't even attempting to connect physically IRL. That's the part I don't get. I don't see the value proposition. Even if I had Elon Musk's money, I wouldn't get it.. But everyone's got their own emotional needs and desires.

 

[MarieElise]

Like I said, I haven't been into webcam sites for very long and I only heard the term "whale" for the first time a few months ago. I'm far from broke and definitely not overthinking anything. I happened to see an article about camming where a model talks a lot about the importance of whales and what she thinks motivates them (that's where I got the idea that a lot of it is about ego). The OP's comments got me interested enough to comment.

At least to me, someone spending $40,000, $75,000 or $100,000 a year supporting a webcam model or models, well, it's like anything that's unusual or stands out from the ordinary. People are going to wonder about it and maybe talk about it. It's human nature.

I'm not sure what this means.

Maybe saying that all "whales" have the same motivation is overgeneralizing? Someone in another post talked about dudes who stop by a room once drop a huge amount, and then go on and do the same someplace else. Not sure if that's one kind of whale, and then there's some other kind that consistently supports one or more models over a long period of time.

Yes, the motivation question is fascinating to me. I can understand whales who are trying to have an actual relationship IRL with the models. Sugar daddy, or looking for escorts, or trying to buy a bride? I can understand being a big spender on any of those motives. But somewhere it was said that most of the whales aren't even attempting to connect physically IRL. That's the part I don't get. I don't see the value proposition. Even if I had Elon Musk's money, I wouldn't get it.. But everyone's got their own emotional needs and desires.

Idk why you felt the need to single me out, but I think I'm making it pretty clear I don't want to talk to you, and I think that this is a pointless and stupid conversation. i.e I don't share your interest in this topic. So if you wanna pontificate on it, how about not tagging me in your long responses, eh? Thanks.

 

[HeadyRaven]

Idk why you felt the need to single me out, but I think I'm making it pretty clear I don't want to talk to you, and I think that this is a pointless and stupid conversation. i.e I don't share your interest in this topic. So if you wanna pontificate on it, how about not tagging me in your long responses, eh? Thanks.

I responded to you because you quoted me in a reply. Seems logical to me. You seem defensive or angry. Not sure why so triggered by this thread. It's just some people talking. If you think it's a stupid conversation and have no interest in the topic, no need to reply.

 

[MarieElise]

I responded to you because you quoted me in a reply. Seems logical to me. You seem defensive or angry. Not sure why so triggered by this thread. It's just some people talking. If you think it's a stupid conversation and have no interest in the topic, no need to reply.

Totally

ETA; I'M SOOOOO TRIGGGERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG SOMEONE GET MY THERAPIST ON THE PHONE... OH WAIT... I DON'T USE ONE Whatever will I do, however will I cope?
This is gold. I take it back, continue with your theories. I love it.

 

[HeadyRaven]

This is gold. I take it back, continue with your theories. I love it.

You are talking to me a lot. Considering you don't want to talk to me.

 

[Lilly_____]

You are talking to me a lot. Considering you don't want to talk to me.

Who even are you

 

[MarieElise]

You are talking to me a lot. Considering you don't want to talk to me.

You’re the one that keeps talking to me, and tagging me ! Every time you do that I get a little red bell and an email, once again disrupting my other trains of thought and bring me back to you. Sure, I could just stop responding. But since you tried to boss me around and tell me to do that, I’m not. I’m going to continue responding until the end of time tbh I’m starting to enjoy myself. Please do tell me more of your thoughts on cam sites and whales . I’m on the edge of my seat in anticipation here …

 

[AudriTwo]

Like I said, I haven't been into webcam sites for very long and I only heard the term "whale" for the first time a few months ago.

A whale is a general salesman term btw. It's not that deep.

Check out this google search that brings up a lot of resources on "landing a whale"

caught a whale in sales - Google Search

 

[HeadyRaven]

A whale is a general salesman term btw. It's not that deep.

Check out this google search that brings up a lot of resources on "landing a whale"

caught a whale in sales - Google Search

I guess I should have said, "I haven't been into webcam sites for very long and I only heard the term whale in this context for the first time a few months ago."

Looks like there are also resources on "landing a whale" as a cam model. Webcam Models Need Whales
Not sure if the article is "truth" but funny she says this:

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Well, there’s different ways of looking at it, but in the end it comes down to ego. These are guys who want to be alpha males, but for whatever weird reason, they can’t pull it off in real life even though their bank account obviously has its own zip code.​

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They might have a job where they need to be meek and polite all the time, or they might be genius nerds with no social graces, or they might be overweight and self-conscious about how they look; the list goes on and on.​

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Stroke that ego, ‘cause it’s a golden goose.​

Questions that came about from the OP were interesting. Is trying to "save" or "change the life" of the model a typical "whale" motivation? Are most whales not looking for something in real life with a model (as above article says)? I noticed that on one site I frequent, there are members who will build the word whale into their username, or put whale stuff (pictures and themes) in their profile. So this must be a thing for some people. One dude had his entire profile built like it would be on a dating site, complete with his pictures visible for all and what he's looking for in a woman. lol I think the topic is interesting.

 

[Vixxen81]

I have never in my life had a whale try to save me, it's in his best interest to keep me around if he likes me that much.

 

[Lilly_____]

You keep rephrasing the same question. You're just rambling by now.

 

[Maxi]

It isn’t a tactic. Whales are are just rich people with more money to spend than most of the usual members.

 

[Ozzie_]

Questions that came about from the OP were interesting. Is trying to "save" or "change the life" of the model a typical "whale" motivation? Are most whales not looking for something in real life with a model (as above article says)?

You have mentioned real life meetups a number of times. Is the possibility of a meetup something that *you* are hoping for for yourself?

Camsites are *not* dating sites. And in fact real life meetups are forbidden on most (all?) camsites.