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When MFC started they took models from other sites by word of mouth, and a better share of spending. The models took their top paying members with them. You will have to cover all costs within the industry share for models (or do better for models).
Solve the placement problem/ traffic problems inherent in all current sites and you will have something models are likely to switch for. This will take one serious organic style algorithm linked to your search and purchase functions. In simple terms, the faster paying members can find the right model over a popular one, the better your site will be.
Things such as page placement can then be based on other things, such as which type of member is currently on site, model history with clients, time on, or perhaps even by the look of a room. Whichever of these best helps the search function and purchase rate.
Solve the placement problem/ traffic problems inherent in all current sites and you will have something models are likely to switch for. This will take one serious organic style algorithm linked to your search and purchase functions. In simple terms, the faster paying members can find the right model over a popular one, the better your site will be.
Things such as page placement can then be based on other things, such as which type of member is currently on site, model history with clients, time on, or perhaps even by the look of a room. Whichever of these best helps the search function and purchase rate.
Get the right models and the members will follow. Price for tokens and spending rate for private shows is pretty much fixed in this industry, to change it either way would be a losing strategy.
You may or may not be right, but it should certainly be mentioned as it is fairly important to us the consumer. While I believe that it shouldn't vary greatly, companies succeed on crushing margins, if you can minimize the cost of bandwidth and marketing and pay the models higher commissions and charge members less per token, it certainly wouldn't hurt attracting crowds.
Edited to clarify, I'm not speaking towards private shows, more token based payment methods.
Edited to clarify, I'm not speaking towards private shows, more token based payment methods.
Get the right models and the members will follow. Price for tokens and spending rate for private shows is pretty much fixed in this industry, to change it either way would be a losing strategy.
SM doesn't use tokens and it's system works. I think sites want to use tokens because they don't want to try anything new. There's always a better system out there.
Also models don't see how the token system hides their percentage. MFC can say they payout 70% because they don't sell a token cheaper than .06 and the models will always get .05. But what about when members are paying .10 per token, MFC is only paying out 50% at that rate.
You can look at the game companies to see they all got away from a credits system back into cash balances. I see sites eventually doing the same thing. Leaving a token locked at .05 USD might kill you if Trump puts the dollar into any sort of flux. A cash based pool system is adjustable to inflation.
LiveJasmine adjusted their credit rates a few years back. You used to pay exactly $100 for 100 tokens and now you pay $105 or something for 99 tokens. which means the model cut actually lowered on that site.
More important than having the ability to drive traffic, how will you actually attract models? I think that driving traffic is fairly easy but if you do not have the talent that will keep ppl on your site you are going to be dead in the water within months.
That is the real competition that you are in any half decent marketer can pump traffic to a site. Where will your models come from? How many do you have interested? Where will you recruit them? What would make them leave popular sites where they already have regulars?
I would focus on finding quality models.
That is the real competition that you are in any half decent marketer can pump traffic to a site. Where will your models come from? How many do you have interested? Where will you recruit them? What would make them leave popular sites where they already have regulars?
I would focus on finding quality models.
and since a lot of the most 'quality' models are the girls with the power to split-cam, they might get some of these big name models signing up, but will it be the kind of quality experience users are looking for? multicammers tend to ignore their chat/audience almost all of the time, so having models of that calibre dominating your site might undermine the whole 'camming is a live interactive experience' type appeal.
given that there will be virtually no models at first who don't already cam elsewhere, what would be the incentive for members to sign up to this site instead of the established ones?
A very interesting point split camming does affect the member experience even with popular sites. Every time a model does it she risks losing members from the site that she ignores. (One site is always ignored compared to the other.)
In my experience of this models tend to know which sites offer the better deal, and give members of that site their favour, encouraging members of the other sites to switch to that favoured site. The split camming is then reduced to more appropriate levels.
Create a better site and you will get both models and members. It will have to be significantly better to make the move worthwhile.
Our search system has been successfully tested, you can search via model, room theme, or video names.
We tested our streaming capability last night up to 4k.
Models have the option of cam2cam in private.
Cost per credit is 0.05c and we plan to allow users to earn free credits by sharing the site and models cams (hows that for bringing members).
Our marketing platform will bring members, if there is anything that we are confident of is that our main issue is how we entice day one models, but you have seen we intend to offer a variety of incentives for day 1 models. 1 Thing thats being thrown about the table is if new models buy a starter kit from us and perform for at least 40 hours in a month we will refund them the cost of the kit regardless of what they earn, so basically they get a free cam light and merchandise (we would just give it out but we need to know the model will use the site). Models who have there own gear will be given a higher lifetime exchange rate for participating from month 1 as well as cash incentives for time online and visitors refereed.
Models can offer cam2cam in private.
Models can sell content and services.
Models can broadcast with more than one cam if they wish so viewer can chose the angle.
We have just integrated bitcoin token purchases.
Todays agenda.
- FAQ - Terms and Conditions
- Simple site rules
- Id verification setup
- Forum Catagories
- Support Center Categories
(a full site support system is important to us, we intend to allow not only users to help each other but a direct line of communication including support tickets and live help as unanswered emails are frustrating)
and some codec work (for on demand videos).
Logo is done and system is being themed. Over the next week we will be adding ios and android support. Sorry for slow replies here, a great deal of time is being spent on development.
We tested our streaming capability last night up to 4k.
Models have the option of cam2cam in private.
Cost per credit is 0.05c and we plan to allow users to earn free credits by sharing the site and models cams (hows that for bringing members).
Our marketing platform will bring members, if there is anything that we are confident of is that our main issue is how we entice day one models, but you have seen we intend to offer a variety of incentives for day 1 models. 1 Thing thats being thrown about the table is if new models buy a starter kit from us and perform for at least 40 hours in a month we will refund them the cost of the kit regardless of what they earn, so basically they get a free cam light and merchandise (we would just give it out but we need to know the model will use the site). Models who have there own gear will be given a higher lifetime exchange rate for participating from month 1 as well as cash incentives for time online and visitors refereed.
Models can offer cam2cam in private.
Models can sell content and services.
Models can broadcast with more than one cam if they wish so viewer can chose the angle.
We have just integrated bitcoin token purchases.
Todays agenda.
- FAQ - Terms and Conditions
- Simple site rules
- Id verification setup
- Forum Catagories
- Support Center Categories
(a full site support system is important to us, we intend to allow not only users to help each other but a direct line of communication including support tickets and live help as unanswered emails are frustrating)
and some codec work (for on demand videos).
Logo is done and system is being themed. Over the next week we will be adding ios and android support. Sorry for slow replies here, a great deal of time is being spent on development.
The muti cam feature is not to cam on more than one site at a time its to allow the model to use more than 1 camera so the user can pick a proffered angle, to kill things like can you zoom in on.... The viewer can select cams themselves.
Clothing Etc. The investor owns a print and merchandise company so they will be provided to us gratis.
We offer FULL transparency on token values. there will be a variation based on the payment gateway you use, but what we receive will always work out the same and the models cut will always be clear. Day one models however will have there exchange rate manually bumped at the end of the launch month and they will keep that bump for life for helping us launch. (the bump will be retro actively applied, so they will get the increased rate applied all the way back to day one, our way of saying thanks).
is there a non c2c option?
one of the things I like about chaturbate is my CPU overheads are kept low because I only have to worry about streaming my own stream (broadcast up and down (seeing my own broadcast), the PVTs on Chaturbate are all one-way streaming, and only 2-way chat.
what content and services are not permitted? CB for example doesn't allow "soliciting offline payments", yet Amazon wishlists/giftcards are widely offered as a medium for selling/buying underwear, usually listed blatantly like "1000tks or $50". they also have the word 'skype' itself as a covertly blocked word (a message including the word is not sent, and no one is informed that the message wasn't sent).
Awesome.... all I need now is a selection of slim red head models, who jingle when they dance, have a genius gift for photography, offer a range of awesome content, and have a taste for maritime tattoos... entice one of those to your site and I am in.
Yes you can accept C2C but you do not have too. Although since the broadcast is run from a sort of virtual environment and a great deal of the processing in that is done server side, we found no difference in end user CPU usage on C2C. We like other sites will not encourage offline spending as we are taking the brunt of server costs and offering higher commissions we are hopeful a model will not need too. However your profile page actually allows you to simply paste in tour wishlists and other social platforms. (you don't need to know html you can just paste in the link like on many vid).
Ill do my best! might be worth a cash incentive for model of varying hair colours to come month one. To us the biggest challenge is going to be bringing the models themselves, change is a scary thing so no matter how much we try to build the site around them its still going to be a scary risk. For us we have 2 risks 1. Not enough models (embarassing launch), 2. we do such a good job getting people there that despite the extreme effort going into codec tweaking and not exactly going for entry level servers (we went with the largest grade that was available with a standard ISP, so basically the best we could get without building a data center), that we have bandwidth issues .
what I mean is, is there an option to do privates where there's no expectation of you watching them. just them watching you?
what's your thoughts on the alleged 'bots' issue? (see the CB bots thread on the forum)
if you attract studio models whose behind the scenes people fake their way into the spotlight with a phony audience draining your resources, is there anything in place for investigating and handling that?
I wish mic only was an separate option. I had the only way you can talk to models on sites is through full c2c. But I doubt these guys aren't using the same flashed based two-way system.
You would be right we are launching with flash but one of my chief developers hates flash more than even i do, so he is building a fully HTML5/Java based system to go in its place but the development time on it is a good few months, i can however tell him you have asked for two way audio so he can attempt to build it in at the start. Then when its integrated models and viewers can chose between HTML5 and flash interfaces but we can only make 2 way audio available in HTML5 Chat because we don't intend to have long term development on the flash version.
Please tell me this is you being facetious.
not into the games and competitions, and especially not into performing shows in free chat. on streamate i love that everyone who experiences my show, has paid for it. it encourages people to actually participate instead of waiting around for an hour hoping other people tip in so they get a free fap. i don't want to work on a platform when were are encouraged to give free shows.
my two cents.
my two cents.
Interesting read. We would need to organically map a real users behaviour to try to detect bot behaviour, but we do have bot protection systems in place already. We are using a CDN that detects automated page loads, unusual browser activity etc and blocks ips based on irronious behaviour.
It was a joke regarding the very specific requirements that were asked for. Without offering an incentive for every body colour and body type i couldn't guarantee the request that was being made, sorry if the text came off differently.
No model has to perform in public chat. But fairly run competitions are good for the user and the site. WE are offering a variety of platforms including monthly subscription based. But you can comfortably sit fully clothed in a free chat with the premise that any real shows will only be given in private (which is how stream mate works).
i already do, and i make a lot of money because of it. just giving you feedback from a high earner.
So this is a pvt based site and not a social site? Are you going to have enforceable free chat rules like SM does (models can't be full nude in free)?
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