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There is a thread running in the public threads on that other forum about this and I was surprised there is no mention of it here. It's far too detailed a thread for me even to give you the gist of it! I don't know if it's ok to post a link here as it effects models and customers. Admin, please let me know.
 
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I've just been reading bits on it on the other forum. Some of the new rules kind of make sense, and using a site such as streamate where there is basic nudity in free chat but to see the goods you must pay (so you're more than likely over 18). But how does this affect us camming on a site such as MFC? Do we have to stay compliant and non nude in free chat and only show nakedness in group or pvt? Or does it only affect the selling of videos and what content it contains?
 
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I wouldn't mind a link in PM if that's ok.
Or even the text of the law.
 
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There must be links to some actual articles that could be posted, no?
 
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AmberCutie said:
There must be links to some actual articles that could be posted, no?
It looks like the OP wanted to talk about the discussion that arose in the thread on the other forum? :think:
But I don't see why we can't just have our own discussion about the issue on ACF.
 
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Yeah I've already seen that article. I was more interested in performers opinions and who are the idiots who sponsored this.
 
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That sucks! I would be afraid to break the law too after what happened to Mila Milan when they busted down her door and arrested her on cam. Granted that was Thailand and this is UK so you never know how crazy they are going to be about enforcing it. Just be careful girls!
 
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Felicity said:
That sucks! I would be afraid to break the law too after what happened to Mila Milan when they busted down her door and arrested her on cam. Granted that was Thailand and this is UK so you never know how crazy they are going to be about enforcing it. Just be careful girls!

Even if they enforce it, I doubt it will be a criminal issue (leading to cops kicking down your door) and will likely be handled as a civil matter instead.

I'm trying to find the details of the law, but there's this 'impact analysis' that doesn't go into what the punishment could be : http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukia/2014 ... 321_en.pdf

eclipse76 said:
Yeah I've already seen that article. I was more interested in performers opinions and who are the idiots who sponsored this.

Let me guess... It's probably the usual suspects: politicians, individuals and religious organisations that love waving the 'think of the children' flag.
 
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Truly pathetic. "Female ejaculation" is now banned from being filmed and distributed in the UK. I mean, I can't even... what the fuck? Consensual verbal abuse? So like, small penis humiliation? Who the fuck was that harming? Facesitting?? Does that mean the po po are gonna come for my facesitting videos? (I mean like, not that I have any :shifty:) Spanking??? They cite "inherent danger" as the reason for outlawing some of these things, but honestly, the list itself and the effect it has on my blood pressure is a greater danger than anything listed on it.
 
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This seems to be really too much regulation to me, is this kind of stuff acceptable to the general population in the UK? Will this even be a problem or is this just something that will be technically illegal but never enforced?
 
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I once knew a girl who had a friend who had a roomate who sat on a man's face and totally got a cramp, so this makes complete sense.
 
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Theoretically I could ejaculate all over some guy and maybe drown him so really theyre preventing drowning victims with that one. I get it. :roll:

And to be fair they only said no to aggressive whipping so you could just.. you know.. nonchalantly whip people no problem. :dance:

(these laws are incredibly stupid and ridiculous)
 
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Teagan_Chase said:
Theoretically I could ejaculate all over some guy and maybe drown him so really theyre preventing drowning victims with that one. I get it. :roll:

And to be fair they only said no to aggressive whipping so you could just.. you know.. nonchalantly whip people no problem. :dance:

Whistle while you whip and you should be fine. :whistle:
 
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Teagan_Chase said:
Theoretically I could ejaculate all over some guy and maybe drown him so really theyre preventing drowning victims with that one. I get it. :roll:

And to be fair they only said no to aggressive whipping so you could just.. you know.. nonchalantly whip people no problem. :dance:

(these laws are incredibly stupid and ridiculous)

I'm now imagining you whipping someone very slowly, with a painfully bored expression on your face.
 
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SaffronBurke said:
Teagan_Chase said:
Theoretically I could ejaculate all over some guy and maybe drown him so really theyre preventing drowning victims with that one. I get it. :roll:

And to be fair they only said no to aggressive whipping so you could just.. you know.. nonchalantly whip people no problem. :dance:

(these laws are incredibly stupid and ridiculous)

I'm now imagining you whipping someone very slowly, with a painfully bored expression on your face.

dont look to excited or you're breaking the law !!

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http://obscenitylawyer.blogspot.co.uk/

This man's blog explains all the things that are banned more in depth. Some of the things are still allowed just not extreme. The thing that is mentioned elsewhere is the worry of an organisation called ATVOD who seem to be making anyone who makes clips, register to them and pay them for licensing. They are only supposed to be doing this to people who provide an 'on demand' service but some uk people through c4s have mentioned about being affected by them. From what I understand, they are trying to make all uk porn sites blocked to under 18's. So say on MFC where you have the free chat, they want that gone and PG only. All purchases on porn sites have to be made by a credit card that is only available to over 18's only. Which is fair enough. Apparently women on AW are having to clean up their profiles and blur anything out that can be viewed for free.

I spent last night reading as much as I could on it and its still really confusing! I'm not sure how cam girls in the UK will be affected by it. Next thing you know all porn will be banned and they'll even ban you from having sex.
 
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Does this mean the British lawmakers are trying to put
all the spanking and stuff back into their schools, or does it
hit them too close to home on exposing their personal peccadillos ??? :think:
 
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Rouge_x said:
http://obscenitylawyer.blogspot.co.uk/

This man's blog explains all the things that are banned more in depth. Some of the things are still allowed just not extreme. The thing that is mentioned elsewhere is the worry of an organisation called ATVOD who seem to be making anyone who makes clips, register to them and pay them for licensing. They are only supposed to be doing this to people who provide an 'on demand' service but some uk people through c4s have mentioned about being affected by them. From what I understand, they are trying to make all uk porn sites blocked to under 18's. So say on MFC where you have the free chat, they want that gone and PG only. All purchases on porn sites have to be made by a credit card that is only available to over 18's only. Which is fair enough. Apparently women on AW are having to clean up their profiles and blur anything out that can be viewed for free.

I spent last night reading as much as I could on it and its still really confusing! I'm not sure how cam girls in the UK will be affected by it. Next thing you know all porn will be banned and they'll even ban you from having sex.

It seems as though any videos sold are included in this. C4S girls as well as it states "Video on Demand services offer consumers the opportunity to choose specific video content and then view it at a time which is convenient to them." That's C4S for sure. UK girls are gonna have to abide by these laws now.
Now that also could honestly be twisted to include camgirls as well as it can be on demand at the consumers convenient time to them. Just a simple tip on a tip menu to a UK girl for something make it VoD according to them. Heck the guy doesnt even have to tip, he could theoretically just ask for something he wants and it's on demand at a convenient time to him so they could really go after camgirls with this law.
 
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I have one very important question.


Is it legal to spank your child in the UK?
because if so, then what the fuck kind of message does this send.


Also curious to see the link to the forum/thread where they are discussing this? Would appreciate it if it could be pmed to me (if it can't be posted? tho not sure why not.... )

how likely is this to really be enforced?
 
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Yes that exactly what I thought but its not been made clear anywhere else. It seems to be more studios that they go after as opposed to just lone cam girls who film their own things. Because the rules aren't put in black and white anywhere its really hard to make sense of it all.

You are allowed to spank as long as you do it gently i.e. no marks must be left which is obviously common sense although there has been talk about banning it all together.
 
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I don't want to post a link publicly so I have copied and pasted the OP from the thread. It contains all the relevant links:

It seems everyone is confused over this. AW are implementing an age verification procedure whereby ALL customers will have to verify that they are over 18. This comes into force on December 1st, or by January at the latest http://www.adultwork.com/AgeVerificationInfo.asp

This has happened because an organisation called ATVOD (Authority for Television On Demand) are now in charge of policing anyone who provides an 'on-demand programme service' (ODPS) that is 'television like'. What constitutes an ODPS or what is television like is widely debatable and some providers targeted by ATVOD so far such as the domme site Urban Chick Supremacy Cell, have successfully appealed and won, while others including playboy tv (and even Sainsbury's!!!) have failed.

ATVOD use the BBFC R18 guidelines to determine what content is not appropriate for minors on the websites they police and they have decreed that all UK sites with such material must keep it completely out of view of minors, this includes still images, gifs, and videos. it does not currently include live cam feeds (although see further implications below).

ATVOD Guidance for providers http://www.atvod.co.uk/uploads/files...ruary_2014.pdf
BBFC R18 Guidance (page 24) http://www.bbfc.co.uk/sites/default/...s 2014_5.pdf
ATVOD Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATVOD

Keeping it out of view of minors entails having strict age verification in place that goes beyond the usual "click here if you're over 18" entry page most adult websites have. They must either only accept credit cards or use a processor which does, like CCBill or Epoch (others are working on becoming atvod compliant currently). If they do not use such a processor then they must have another form of age verification in place such as asking for customer's ID, using a service which does this, or contact from an 18+ verified mobile phone.

Clips4Sale - currently accepts debit cards and does not have a secondary form of age verification in place. They also allow stills, gifs, and previews which are r18+ in free to view areas. This means they are NOT ATVOD compliant, and as a producer on c4s you would be in breach of their rules and referred to OFCOM and could be fined. A number of c4s stores have been targeted, especially those with extreme fetish & domme content.

Adultwork - is putting age verification in place, however because we are in full control of our own profiles there is some question as to who is the 'provider' here. If ATVOD decide that WE are the provider then WE are the ones liable to them for breaching any rules. It would be a breach of their rules to not be registered with them and have paid the fee for a producer license. Currently this looks like it's £91 for the smallest producers (us) and more info can be found here http://www.atvod.co.uk/regulated-ser...egulatory-fees

At present no one seems to know regarding the AW score although AW are working to find out. If you are concerned it is worth contacting them, and also keeping up to date (and updating this thread) with what is decided.

Personal Sites - The same goes for your own private sites - you must keep anything r18+ behind an age verified payment gateway. you cannot accept debit cards unless you have a secondary age verification procedure in place. You must also register as a provider with ATVOD.

I am not paying anyone anything and plan to steer well clear of ATVOD unless it becomes clear that we absolutely have to register. If they target me I shall take it up with Backlash. As it seems none of the sites we work on are sure at the moment, then WE are in charge of keeping up to date and taking initiative over our own businesses. it's in our interests to find out what we need to do.

Further implications:

As ATVOD only covers sites within the UK they cannot do anything about US or other foreign sites. So they have 'suggested' to UK financial organisations like the banks and payment processors, that they might want to rethink association with any site which displays obscene material and is not ATVOD compliant . A meeting was held with the financial authorities on October 10th 2014. there is no information on this as yet but if it goes ahead it could take the form of a 'black list' of known sites (like what happened with piracy with pirate bay and megashare etc) which the banks and processors will block payment to.

ATVOD have also 'suggested' the same to the ISP's who could similarly block access to those sites, as BT do with pirate bay and other known piracy sites.

As MFC, SM, CB etc have free to view chat which is viewable by anyone they could well become 'off limits' to UK guys, which means girls with large UK fan bases working there will see a huge drop in income.

helpful organisations & contacts

If you are targeted by ATVOD you can contact Backlash, an organisation set up to promote freedom of sexual expression. They are the ones who helped Urban Chick Supremacy Cell appeal http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/atvod/

obscenity Lawyer on twitter write very informative blog posts on a number of subjects including this and was at the XBiz conference with ATVOD https://twitter.com/obscenitylawyer


Collected info on ATVOD so far
http://www.xbiz.com/news/europe/187868
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/2916/pdfs/uksi_20142916_en.pdf
http://sexandcensorship.org/2014/11/...-1st-december/
 
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Thanks for posting that Rebecca. I am still so confused though...

Is C4S US or UK based? Or does the law only apply to stores run by UK models even if it is hosted outside the UK? Or only porn which contains things which are now deemed to illegal and was shot in the UK regardless of which country it is hosted on? And does it apply to new or old content?
I don't have a C4S store but I am just curious why the OP thinks that it would be targeted differently to MFC. AW I can understand as it is UK based - but C4S confuses me.

I have my own site but have location blocking in place so not sure if that rules me out. It is all so confusing and ridiculous :/ I'm assuming they will only go after big sites or names if any at all but who knows. Also sounds a lot more like an attempt to block access to non-age verified porn full stop as opposed to just certain fetishes.

Edit: The questions posted are asked generally not simply directed at Rebecca - I reckon we are all still confused and dont have many answers.
 
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Yes that exactly what I thought but its not been made clear anywhere else. It seems to be more studios that they go after as opposed to just lone cam girls who film their own things. Because the rules aren't put in black and white anywhere its really hard to make sense of it all.

You are allowed to spank as long as you do it gently i.e. no marks must be left which is obviously common sense although there has been talk about banning it all together.

Yeah no welts, bruising, or anything more than redness basically. I welt really easily myself so that would suck for me if I was UK.

I could see them taking on "bigger" things first like major sites like AW to regulate and then moving on to UK C4S studios before then going onto smaller solo studios. Sort of like a one thing at a time. Then going after banning sites like MFC and CB from even being viewed as well unless they comply with their rules (bullshit as they are not in the UK) and maybe also not allowing UK cards to be used on any non compliant pay site. I mean they honestly tried going after the BBC so thinking anyone is just some solo camgirl and thinks she may be immune or wont be bothered would probably be dead wrong.
 
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Aside from all the restrictions being placed on ladies working in the UK.. one of the really scary things to come out of this is that it sounds like if our sites don't come into compliance with the UK laws... our UK customers will be blocked from seeing the sites at all, or making purchases there.

This is kinda big. Especially if you have a large UK fanbase.
 
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It's amazing that the legislator thinks it's still possible to prevent kids for watching porn in 2014.
I have a Tumblr, I had to block 13 years old girls from following my blog, their own blog's contents was BDSM like :/
It's impossible to prevent that at a national level.
 
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