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[ElGato]

But he has the sole power to do that and no one here does. [Redacted] or natural causes will only rid of us of this meddlesome priest.

I'm hoping for Redacted, honestly

 

[Maxi]

This MTG x Trump public spat is one no one could have seen coming, could it? Maybe? Surely? Hopefully?

It’s one I definitely wanted and I’m here for it all day long.

 

[Maxi]

How are we feeling about the US / Venezuela smash-and-grab?

Obviously Maduro was an asshole and it was good to get him out. But all the oil.

Could Venezuela become part of the States? With all their oil?

Any Venezuelans in the house to comment?

 

[stormythunder]

How are we feeling about the US / Venezuela smash-and-grab?

Obviously Maduro was an asshole and it was good to get him out. But all the oil.

Could Venezuela become part of the States? With all their oil?

Any Venezuelans in the house to comment?

Yeah this most definitely isn't happening for good reasons. I haven't talked to my Venezuelan friend since it happened but I know a few months ago I had made an offhanded comment about how I want to visit some day, and he basically said "you'd better not visit, Americans aren't welcome there, they think you want to harm our president". I guess he wasn't that far off but I thought it sounded wild at the time.

 

[Vixxen81]

The hypocrisy in all of this is astounding.

This is two-fold. A distraction from Epstein and a reason to delay the mid-terms or stop them entirely.

The impression I got during his speech was he was disappointed there wasn't going to be a second wave of military engagement.

Now Venezuelans may be thrilled Maduro has been captured, but are they happy Trump did it? Let's remember he's the one who wanted to stop the Venezuelan caravans he said would take over and steal American jobs if they reached our borders.

He's going to declare democracy restored in Venezuela and deport every last Venezuelan back. It will be chaos.

 

[stormythunder]

The hypocrisy in all of this is astounding.

This is two-fold. A distraction from Epstein and a reason to delay the mid-terms or stop them entirely.

The impression I got during his speech was he was disappointed there wasn't going to be a second wave of military engagement.

Now Venezuelans may be thrilled Maduro has been captured, but are they happy Trump did it? Let's remember he's the one who wanted to stop the Venezuelan caravans he said would take over and steal American jobs if they reached our borders.

He's going to declare democracy restored in Venezuela and deport every last Venezuelan back. It will be chaos.

Also something I keep going back to is that the US has a history of installing leaders they prefer after staging a coup.

 

[Vixxen81]

Also something I keep going back to is that the US has a history of installing leaders they prefer after staging a coup.

Yeah he mentioned that in his victory lap, "and I endorsed this guy and that one and look how well it's going now they are leaders."

The history books on this are going to be wild.

 

[Maxi]

He want the oil fields, that’s clear.

Other than Rubio having a ‘chat’ with the de-facto new leader there wasn’t much of plan.

 

[AmberCutie]

He want the oil fields, that’s clear.

Other than Rubio having a ‘chat’ with the de-facto new leader there wasn’t much of plan.

I'm sure there are concepts of a plan.

 

[Maxi]

I'm sure there are concepts of a plan.

He loves those ‘concepts of a plan’, doesn’t he?

 

[Brit]

Obviously Maduro was an asshole and it was good to get him out.

Do you think any country should be able to just oust another country's leader?

 

[Maxi]

Do you think any country should be able to just oust another country's leader?

No, of course not - it was an illegal act.

But that doesn’t stop my opinion that he was an asshole and it was good to get him out.

ETA: if he got knocked down by a bus on the way to the supermarket I would still say: “he was an asshole and it was good to get him out.”

 

[cbhours]

Do you think any country should be able to just oust another country's leader?

That's the only way he was getting out, the people didn't have any power to remove him as the system was completely rigged.

 

[Vixxen81]

That's the only way he was getting out, the people didn't have any power to remove him as the system was completely rigged.

He pardoned the largest narco kingpin known to modern times last month. This isn't about drugs and it isn't about democracy and it isn't about improving lives of Venezuelans -- which he proved when he was trying to stop the Venezuelan caravans coming to the states when Maduro was slinging his worst at his citizens. This is about stealing oil.

Rubio's largest financial supporter bought interest in Citgo last month. There was a $400,000 bet on Polymarket that Maduro would be ousted in January and that bet was most likely placed by someone at the NYT who knew well in advance this was going down.

 

[Brit]

That's the only way he was getting out, the people didn't have any power to remove him as the system was completely rigged.

Didn't answer my question. Should any country be permitted to just oust the leadership in another country?

Or is your response you saying you feel that if a country is perceived to be undemocratic then another country should be allowed to step in and make it more democratic?