Reasonable Skype Prices????

[Tilly]

I would imagine that a fair price would be based around the amount of money the viewer would normally pay if he were buying tokens and taking you private. That all depends on what camsite you work on, too.

Really, the most important part is picking a price that you feel comfortable with and also feel is fair.

 

[Nordling]

Well Paypal doesn't recognize what the money transfers are for, so that's irrelevant. People just check the box that says "gift" so there's no additional charges with the transfer. I was just explaining the past 5 years of my life I've been getting lump sums of cash deposited into my Paypal account very often, sometimes daily, sometimes weekly, never having problems with it. They have no idea if they're adult transactions or not

Not to be rude, but there is nothing "irrelevant" about models wanting to be safe and not give away free shows. I still don't know why, knowing all the risks, models still accept PP payments when there are other options. The moment I learned about PP's policy, I stopped doing Yahoo! Messenger cam sessions with the nice dude who paid for it. It's nothing personal TO HIM...I'm just not willing to risk my account, and I don't like working for free.

Agree. Plus the reason models have their PP account closed and members don't is because generally, models don't give money to members and then report to PP that they want their money back because it was an "adult" transaction.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Why do PayPal side with the guy trying to rip off the model in those instances? In no other walk of life would that work.

"Hi. I just saw a band. Tickets cost me £30. Can I have that £30 back please?"
"Sure. Don't see why not!"

"Hi. I just had my kitchen redecorated. Labour cost me £1000. Can I have that £1000 back please?"
"Absolutely!"

:?

 

[LadyLuna]

I thought that the guys didn't get their money back, that paypal just kept it.

I do agree though, that it's shitty paypal gives it back to them instead of just letting the model have that money and then shutting down her account.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Well Paypal doesn't recognize what the money transfers are for, so that's irrelevant. People just check the box that says "gift" so there's no additional charges with the transfer. I was just explaining the past 5 years of my life I've been getting lump sums of cash deposited into my Paypal account very often, sometimes daily, sometimes weekly, never having problems with it. They have no idea if they're adult transactions or not

Not to be rude, but there is nothing "irrelevant" about models wanting to be safe and not give away free shows. I still don't know why, knowing all the risks, models still accept PP payments when there are other options. The moment I learned about PP's policy, I stopped doing Yahoo! Messenger cam sessions with the nice dude who paid for it. It's nothing personal TO HIM...I'm just not willing to risk my account, and I don't like working for free.

Agree. Plus the reason models have their PP account closed and members don't is because generally, models don't give money to members and then report to PP that they want their money back because it was an "adult" transaction.

It would also only be "irrelevant" if it didn't happen ALL THE FUCKING TIME! Girls aren't just being paranoid about something that might happen, we are avoiding something that happens daily. Be it members claiming "no services rendered" and getting their money back ( a gripe lot's of people who do PP work have) or PP getting a wiff of porn and closing the account and taking the money for themselves, it happens VERY often.

 

[DeviantDarla]

Why do PayPal side with the guy trying to rip off the model in those instances? In no other walk of life would that work.

"Hi. I just saw a band. Tickets cost me £30. Can I have that £30 back please?"
"Sure. Don't see why not!"

"Hi. I just had my kitchen redecorated. Labour cost me £1000. Can I have that £1000 back please?"
"Absolutely!"

:?

Because adult services violate the PP TOS, so if a guy tries to get his money back and the model tries to fight it, she gets banned because she knew getting paid through PP for adult stuff is against the rules.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Why do PayPal side with the guy trying to rip off the model in those instances? In no other walk of life would that work.

"Hi. I just saw a band. Tickets cost me £30. Can I have that £30 back please?"
"Sure. Don't see why not!"

"Hi. I just had my kitchen redecorated. Labour cost me £1000. Can I have that £1000 back please?"
"Absolutely!"

:?

Because adult services violate the PP TOS, so if a guy tries to get his money back and the model tries to fight it, she gets banned because she knew getting paid through PP for adult stuff is against the rules.

I get that much. I just don't understand PayPal's objection to adult-related services. If camming was illegal, I'd understand completely. But it's not. Fatuous "morality" should play no part in a business of that ilk, ya know?

 

[LadyLuna]

I get that much. I just don't understand PayPal's objection to adult-related services. If camming was illegal, I'd understand completely. But it's not. Fatuous "morality" should play no part in a business of that ilk, ya know?

I love what you're saying, but... well, it's like "no shirt, no shoes, no service" at gas stations. It's their choice.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I get that much. I just don't understand PayPal's objection to adult-related services. If camming was illegal, I'd understand completely. But it's not. Fatuous "morality" should play no part in a business of that ilk, ya know?

I love what you're saying, but... well, it's like "no shirt, no shoes, no service" at gas stations. It's their choice.

You're right, it is their decision to make. It's just one I'll likely never understand

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Because adult services violate the PP TOS, so if a guy tries to get his money back and the model tries to fight it, she gets banned because she knew getting paid through PP for adult stuff is against the rules.

I get that much. I just don't understand PayPal's objection to adult-related services. If camming was illegal, I'd understand completely. But it's not. Fatuous "morality" should play no part in a business of that ilk, ya know?[/quote]

Cause there is a stigma associated with anything related to the adult entertainment. It can cost companies advertisers, customers, and in many case employees of the company object to doing anything associated with porn. Look at Apple, you can't get an iPhone app approved that is anywhere close to porn,and you can't buy adult movies on iTunes.

Also while camming maybe legal in the US and Europe, it certainly isn't everywhere in the world. If you are Paypal trying to do business in the Middle East, processing porn payment is likely to put your employees at risk. Folks in Saudi Arabia have literally had their heads chopped off for doing things far less offensive than helping the distribution of DP videos.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Because adult services violate the PP TOS, so if a guy tries to get his money back and the model tries to fight it, she gets banned because she knew getting paid through PP for adult stuff is against the rules.

I get that much. I just don't understand PayPal's objection to adult-related services. If camming was illegal, I'd understand completely. But it's not. Fatuous "morality" should play no part in a business of that ilk, ya know?

Cause there is a stigma associated with anything related to the adult entertainment. It can cost companies advertisers, customers, and in many case employees of the company object to doing anything associated with porn. Look at Apple, you can't get an iPhone app approved that is anywhere close to porn,and you can't buy adult movies on iTunes.

Also while camming maybe legal in the US and Europe, it certainly isn't everywhere in the world. If you are Paypal trying to do business in the Middle East, processing porn payment is likely to put your employees at risk. Folks in Saudi Arabia have literally had their heads chopped off for doing things far less offensive than helping the distribution of DP videos.[/quote]

The problem with paypal having that rule is it's very difficult to prove. It's an easy way to send money to people if you don't do online banking, if you're sending money to a friend I don't like that you could get accused of adult services and have the money taken. I've heard of peoples accounts being blocked and money stolen just because they were suspicious, when in fact there haven't been any adult services.

What I still don't understand to this day is when I started on mfcs they had paypal as a payment method. I chose it, the money got sent through fine. Then they messaged me saying they'd removed paypal, at the time I didn't understand why, but it was a pain. Now I don't get how on earth mfc had paypal on there! Was it a mistake no one except me took them up on?

 

[DudeExtreme]

I get that much. I just don't understand PayPal's objection to adult-related services. If camming was illegal, I'd understand completely. But it's not. Fatuous "morality" should play no part in a business of that ilk, ya know?

I love what you're saying, but... well, it's like "no shirt, no shoes, no service" at gas stations. It's their choice.

You're right, it is their decision to make. It's just one I'll likely never understand

I don't understand many things that a company or an individual don't allow, etc, but I'm sure they have a good reason for it.

 

[Weirdtimmy]

Well Paypal doesn't recognize what the money transfers are for, so that's irrelevant. People just check the box that says "gift" so there's no additional charges with the transfer. I was just explaining the past 5 years of my life I've been getting lump sums of cash deposited into my Paypal account very often, sometimes daily, sometimes weekly, never having problems with it. They have no idea if they're adult transactions or not

Not to be rude, but there is nothing "irrelevant" about models wanting to be safe and not give away free shows. I still don't know why, knowing all the risks, models still accept PP payments when there are other options. The moment I learned about PP's policy, I stopped doing Yahoo! Messenger cam sessions with the nice dude who paid for it. It's nothing personal TO HIM...I'm just not willing to risk my account, and I don't like working for free.

Agree. Plus the reason models have their PP account closed and members don't is because generally, models don't give money to members and then report to PP that they want their money back because it was an "adult" transaction.

It would also only be "irrelevant" if it didn't happen ALL THE FUCKING TIME! Girls aren't just being paranoid about something that might happen, we are avoiding something that happens daily. Be it members claiming "no services rendered" and getting their money back ( a gripe lot's of people who do PP work have) or PP getting a wiff of porn and closing the account and taking the money for themselves, it happens VERY often.

So really, the problem isn't Paypal, the problem is members reporting another user with claims of an adult transaction, not the transactions themselves, which what I was saying was irrelevant in the first place. I never once said that the models being screwed out of money was irrelevant or hasn't happened, because I know plenty of models in which it has happened to. What I wanted, which is what you gave me, was an answer to why the accounts were being closed. Thanks.

 

[Anonymous]

I think it'd be better for both parties involved to just use MFC tokens. I'm not sure exactly what the e-mail or what the PayPal screen looks like when a PP user has been suspended/terminated, but I'm sure no one wants to end up with a pissed off model announcing "I'M NO LONGER ACCEPTING PAYPAL FOR SKYPE SHOWS, FUCKERS!!!" LOL. Then you will have no choice but to pay her via MFC tokens or Amazon gift card or whatever.


And I have a question...for those who don't own/use credit cards, does MFC allow members to purchase tokens with those pre-paid cards they sell at CVS/Walgreens/grocery stores? I've never tried it. I just use my Payoneer card.

 

[Anonymous]

So really, the problem isn't Paypal, the problem is members reporting another user with claims of an adult transaction, not the transactions themselves, which what I was saying was irrelevant in the first place. I never once said that the models being screwed out of money was irrelevant or hasn't happened, because I know plenty of models in which it has happened to. What I wanted, which is what you gave me, was an answer to why the accounts were being closed. Thanks.

Well, in an earlier post I had said that PP has contacted a model, asking her to explain certain transactions to them. I don't even think a member has to report you. PP can just get curious and suspicious of all the transactions, and it's been said that they've even suspended/banned accounts when they THOUGHT (not certain of...but THOUGHT) there was suspicious activity.

And yes, the problem is BOTH...members snitching on models, AND PP being so strict about "suspicious" activity. If we have to go 6 pages talking about it, okey-dokey (I thought this was a Skype thread...lol), but the majority of the people on here will tell you that it's best for models to avoid PayPal.

But hey, I think PP is WONDERFUL when it comes to purchasing video games off eBay and stuff like that. It's too bad my PP account keeps winding up with these unauthorized transactions...smh.

 

[Weirdtimmy]

And I have a question...for those who don't own/use credit cards, does MFC allow members to purchase tokens with those pre-paid cards they sell at CVS/Walgreens/grocery stores? I've never tried it. I just use my Payoneer card.

You can pay with pre-paid credit cards.

From the token purchase page "Using a credit card is the easiest and fastest way to purchase tokens. If you do not have a credit card, please visit a local store and purchase a pre-paid Visa or Mastercard."

While this is a good alternative, it usually costs a bit to actually buy the card (aside from the money you put on it), which I find to be kind of ridiculous. Last one I tried to buy for my cousin as a gift, ended up costing me $10 in additional charges to gift him $50 on his b-day.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

So really, the problem isn't Paypal, the problem is members reporting another user with claims of an adult transaction, not the transactions themselves, which what I was saying was irrelevant in the first place. I never once said that the models being screwed out of money was irrelevant or hasn't happened, because I know plenty of models in which it has happened to. What I wanted, which is what you gave me, was an answer to why the accounts were being closed. Thanks.

Well, in an earlier post I had said that PP has contacted a model, asking her to explain certain transactions to them. I don't even think a member has to report you. PP can just get curious and suspicious of all the transactions, and it's been said that they've even suspended/banned accounts when they THOUGHT (not certain of...but THOUGHT) there was suspicious activity.

And yes, the problem is BOTH...members snitching on models, AND PP being so strict about "suspicious" activity. If we have to go 6 pages talking about it, okey-dokey (I thought this was a Skype thread...lol), but the majority of the people on here will tell you that it's best for models to avoid PayPal.

But hey, I think PP is WONDERFUL when it comes to purchasing video games off eBay and stuff like that. It's too bad my PP account keeps winding up with these unauthorized transactions...smh.

Agree with all this post I've heard models saying before that before they even started camming they've had paypal accounts suspended and the money stolen for nothing. They are pretty suspicious, so it is relevant. Another thing I don't particularly trust about members wanting to get girls to use paypal is it gives out your real name. Now if you're called "jo smith" that's not a big deal, but with many it's easy to trace someone by their name. Even though I absolutely know I'm not going to use the name against a girl, I would not like her to ever give it to me.

The only person I've ever accepted paypal from started being a bit of a douche/trying to get really cheap shows so I banned him, a few weeks ago he came back into my room being a douche again, I banned him again and he told me he was going to give out my real name (can't remember if I already wrote that on here, I know I wrote it in the models only section somewhere). Because my name is one of a kind my parents have never registered us anywhere, my where abouts are completely different from anywhere you could find the name on google, plus pretty much everyone in my life knows what I do, so people knowing my name could be a pain, but it wouldn't be the end of the world as it'd not be that easy to stalk me/fuck around with my life. But still, I'd rather people didn't know just in case. I'm pretty certain though he hasn't bothered.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Given all the trouble with PayPal I can certainly understand why models don't use it. It seems to me that either Amazon gift certificate or Payoneer would be reasonable alternatives.
I am not very familiar with Payoneer but does it allow you to protect your identity?

Tim it isn't that difficult to get money from paypal to a checking account, and it seems like you'd be doing both yourself and the models a favor by not asking them to use it.

 

[Weirdtimmy]

Tim it isn't that difficult to get money from paypal to a checking account, and it seems like you'd be doing both yourself and the models a favor by not asking them to use it.

Never said it was difficult. I've been using Paypal for monetary transactions with other people for 5 years now and no one I've sent money to, received money from, or myself ever had problems (these people include cam models). So with my experience doing it, I never saw the major issues and the models liked that they were getting double the money from the "tips" I would send them.

Regardless, I understand why many models will not, and should not do it, as members are cheap assholes who ask Paypal for their money back :lol:

 

[JoleneBrody]

Tim it isn't that difficult to get money from paypal to a checking account, and it seems like you'd be doing both yourself and the models a favor by not asking them to use it.

Never said it was difficult. I've been using Paypal for monetary transactions with other people for 5 years now and no one I've sent money to, received money from, or myself ever had problems (these people include cam models). So with my experience doing it, I never saw the major issues and the models liked that they were getting double the money from the "tips" I would send them.

Regardless, I understand why many models will not, and should not do it, as members are cheap assholes who ask Paypal for their money back :lol:

Honestly, the threat of Paypal themselves freezing your account and confiscating the funds is a much bigger concern for me. I would hope that most girls don't give their paypal info to strange men they don't trust anymore but this is unavoidable from either party. It may not make sense to you since there is no "adult services" option, but it still happens very often.

The only reason I'm bringing this up again is because YOU are at risk as well.

 

[cb_rocks]

I would imagine that a fair price would be based around the amount of money the viewer would normally pay if he were buying tokens and taking you private.

I totally respect this approach, but also recognize the appeal to a model who is not getting a lot of privates to get some e-card skypes going that cost a little less per minute..

There seem to be a lot of comments that indicate guys think skype shows should be about half the per-minute of private chats on mfc because the model gets about the same amount of money if it is gifted through an E-card instead of tokens.
But if I as a tipper have a skype session, it's ...
1.) like a True Private, not a regular private
2.) has a way better picture - OMG
3.) allows me to actually talk to the model in real time instead of waiting for me to type into that little box, hit send, and then wait for her to read it.
4.) Did I mention allows me To.Actually.Talk.To.The.Model?
5.) I'm not much for having models watch me on cam, but for those that are into it, there is that aspect too.
6.) And I don't have the annoying ticker counting down my tokens.
Jesus I know an E-card cuts out the middle man, but in my mind, the change in technology is a value-add, at least for the tipper.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I would imagine that a fair price would be based around the amount of money the viewer would normally pay if he were buying tokens and taking you private.

I totally respect this approach, but also recognize the appeal to a model who is not getting a lot of privates to get some e-card skypes going that cost a little less per minute..

There seem to be a lot of comments that indicate guys think skype shows should be about half the per-minute of private chats on mfc because the model gets about the same amount of money if it is gifted through an E-card instead of tokens.
But if I as a tipper have a skype session, it's ...
1.) like a True Private, not a regular private
2.) has a way better picture - OMG
3.) allows me to actually talk to the model in real time instead of waiting for me to type into that little box, hit send, and then wait for her to read it.
4.) Did I mention allows me To.Actually.Talk.To.The.Model?
5.) I'm not much for having models watch me on cam, but for those that are into it, there is that aspect too.
6.) And I don't have the annoying ticker counting down my tokens.
Jesus I know an E-card cuts out the middle man, but in my mind, the change in technology is a value-add, at least for the tipper.

1. Sort of. There's no video of it to go back and watch when you want so it's not really like a private at all.
2. I'll agree it's still better quality video than MFC but in reality it still sucks. Google video is MUCH better than skype or mfc.
3. 4. 5. Last time I checked you can turn on your cam in privates. I think i have done it.
6. Models can run a timer on skypes. There's automated scripts that hang up after your minutes are up. Been in one already where it happened. Mid-sentence buh-bye.

 

[Sevrin]

I would imagine that a fair price would be based around the amount of money the viewer would normally pay if he were buying tokens and taking you private.

I totally respect this approach, but also recognize the appeal to a model who is not getting a lot of privates to get some e-card skypes going that cost a little less per minute..

I don't think Skype is something MFC-only models with a regular set of MFC-Privateers need seriously consider, so it's not a matter of a fair comparison to MFC's privates, since many models also do privates on LJ, SM, etc. where the perv often pays less and the model gets less. If a model's not making bank on MFC, she is better off taking, say 500 tokens for 15 minutes or something, than spending those same 15 minutes getting maybe 100 tokens for the occasional flash.

1. Sort of. There's no video of it to go back and watch when you want so it's not really like a private at all.

Nuff said.

 

[cb_rocks]

1. Sort of. There's no video of it to go back and watch when you want so it's not really like a private at all.
2. I'll agree it's still better quality video than MFC but in reality it still sucks. Google video is MUCH better than skype or mfc.
3. 4. 5. Last time I checked you can turn on your cam in privates. I think i have done it.
6. Models can run a timer on skypes. There's automated scripts that hang up after your minutes are up. Been in one already where it happened. Mid-sentence buh-bye.

Oh. Then I would skip skypes if I were you.

I do agree the archives is a cool feature, but maybe I don't get much out of it?

I did not know that turning my cam on in MFC privates meant that the model could hear me speak, because I have never done it. Thanks for letting me know that.

 

[Just Me]

1. Sort of. There's no video of it to go back and watch when you want so it's not really like a private at all.
2. I'll agree it's still better quality video than MFC but in reality it still sucks. Google video is MUCH better than skype or mfc.
3. 4. 5. Last time I checked you can turn on your cam in privates. I think i have done it.
6. Models can run a timer on skypes. There's automated scripts that hang up after your minutes are up. Been in one already where it happened. Mid-sentence buh-bye.

Oh. Then I would skip skypes if I were you.

I do agree the archives is a cool feature, but maybe I don't get much out of it?

I did not know that turning my cam on in MFC privates meant that the model could hear me speak, because I have never done it. Thanks for letting me know that.

They can certainly turn your cam on in privates but they generally will not turn the sound on. By default it is off and unless they have set it up before hand the sound is so bad through MFC it is not worth doing.

 

[Gerien]

Actually there are programs that allow you to record skype shows. These usually cost hundreds of dollars but of course there are ways to circumvent this. I have never done this out of respect and privacy of the model, but just putting it out there for models who think you are "safe" when doing skype shows.

 

[Shaun__]

Actually there are programs that allow you to record skype shows. These usually cost hundreds of dollars but of course there are ways to circumvent this. I have never done this out of respect and privacy of the model, but just putting it out there for models who think you are "safe" when doing skype shows.

You can record anything that shows up on your screen, using simple and cheap screen capture software. All models need to know that whenever they are working, they are at risk of videos being made of them.

 

[curvyredhead]

This topic has gone all over the place, and i tried to read what everyone has said...

Just to chime in on what I do.

My skypes START 420Tokens for 10mins.

The price per min goes down the longer period of time you buy. (similar to a block session on Streamate)

The cheapest per min skype one can get is 1600tokens for 45min.

I also offer a video recording of our skype time for an additional 100-550tokens depending on how long the skype session one.

I have gift card prices listed on my profile...however I only accept them for skypes when I am actively trying to save up gift cards.
An example of this would be $23 for 10mins.

No paypal etc.