Reasonable Skype Prices????

[Weirdtimmy]

It's not at all that you're an asshole for asking, it's just that PayPal is not friendly towards adult transactions of any kind. Even if the member (in this case, you) never reported it to PayPal for a refund, there's always a risk with using it this way. There have been so many instances of models getting burned by using it or having their accounts frozen because PayPal got suspicious that most won't even deal with it.

I personally use PayPal with a very select few regulars, but it's not for Skype show purposes. Every time I do it, I'm still wary that I'll lose out on the funds because my account somehow gets frozen.

I see. I always ask for Paypal just because I have money just sitting in my account that I'm too lazy to send to my checking account. That, and I know that models so not get a 50% deduction via Paypal transactions, so I always figure for the benefit of the model I will try this route first. Never ask for lower prices. If someone wants 400 or 500 for a skype, I'll first offer $40 or $50 through Paypal as that's what I'd spend on tokens anyways, but MFC doesn't allow me to purchase tokens via my Paypal account.

Paypal has also never hassled me about the insane amount of transactions that go into my account. I'm a nerd who plays MMO's and sells in-game currency from time to time to help pay the bills and fund his MFC addiction So I have random people transferring me $50-400+ at a time every couple days/weeks. Maybe it's because I'm not female that they don't hassle me over it. Lol.

If you ask about 'PayPal for Skype', and the model tells you no thanks because PayPal forbids adult transactions, the decent thing to do would be to say "Okay, I understand" and move on...not ask "Why not? I won't scam you, I promise!" To proceed asking a model to put her PP account at risk because, for whatever reason, you won't pay her in MFC tokens, is kind of selfish, in my opinion.

Never said anything about badgering models, promising not to scam them, or refusal to pay in tokens. For reasons stated above, it's for convenience for both myself and the model. If they don't have a Paypal that's fine... I don't know if you were responding to someone else and quoted me by accident or what

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

No offense mate, but is this the ask-model forum and you are not one.

No offense mate... but this is a discussion forum for all members. Even though this is the "ask a model" section it is still a public forum and other people are allowed to join a conversation, just as you did. That is one of the reasons why the community here is one of the best out there. If you have a problem with him piping up then you should have a problem with YOU doing so as well. :handgestures-salute:

No offense taken but what Jolene said. I understand this is the ask-a-model section but members do post here too. But let's just move on and stay more to the topic.
Although on the topic of Jolene, that's an awesome new avatar... and slightly scary with the bat lol.

I should probably say something a little on topic. Some models won't do skype, others find it a useful way to make more tokens or at least interest people in spending tokens on them they might not have for a private (for whatever reason). If any member, not just HiGirlsRHot, has haggled with a model and never encountered a problem then that's fine, just beware that not all models like a member questioning their prices or trying to negotiate and you might be more likely to annoy the model.

I wasn't, not welcoming members inputs on the thread, and in fact the nice thing about this particular thread is there has been lots of both member and model participation. However, for the particular question I was driving at what are the "non-economic factor associated with bargaining for skype"?, the models insight were the only ones I was interested in.
From a strictly economic view, the price of skype should be equal to your average tokens hour plus/minus whatever hassle factor you want to throw in for Skype. On the plus side, we heard many members enjoy it more, some models prefer the intimacy, you get the tokens up front, freedom to do want you want, and it you want to cut out MFC and/or taxes (with gift cards) you can do so. There does seem to be many minuses, girls may sell a 20 minute show but end spending 30 minutes or more, concerns about being scammed, they general hassles dealing with Skype technology and others.

Emma's post early on "I have a 1200 cam scoore. I hate that it's 60 tokens a min for EVERY girl on MFC. Sadly, I'm a BBW, so most guys aren't willing to pay 6 bucks a min for me." Was somewhat overlooked. Regardless of how beautiful Emma is (and can't believe nobody commented on her MFC profile name http://profiles.myfreecams.com/FatUglyGirl, not even close to reality ), the supply of guys willing to pay 3600 tokens/hour for the pleasure her company is smaller than supply of guys willing pay that price for the top gorgeous model and her skype pricing should reflect this. so a ~1500 token/hour charge is certainly a reasonable starting point for a 1200 camscore girl before adjusting for her personal skype preference factor.

I also wanted to mentioned that while it is true that when you are doing skype you are not online finding new customers. The flip side is when you are doing a skype show for tokens you camscore goes up (as it does for all offline activities) and you aren't risking be online on slow ass day, i.e. not getting tips, getting pissed off, and getting a lower camscore.

On negotiations I have to admit I am a bit surprised by the answers. In theory, pricing skype shows should be a like airlines or hotels. Airlines have no problem charging Joe to $1000 fly from LA to Chicago, Sue $500 and bargain hunting Bill $228. Sometimes they end up sitting next to each other. The beauty of skypes show is the lend them self, perfectly to a segmented pricing. If you got rich a couple of regular who is willing to pay 4000 tokens/hour, another guy that wants a full hour with some talk for 3,000, and the student who can afford a 1000 tokens for a half hour. There is absolutely no need that they all pay the same price and it is very unlikely they'll every find out they pay different prices unless the PM each other. Negotiation should be done by PM and if the guy is willing to spend a couple hundred tokens to make your friends list, then he can fuck himself.
Now obviously camgirls, unlike airlines have souls and you may feel bad about charging different amounts for the same show. (Though personally it wouldn't bother me.)

One thing that being on AFC has reinforced is that camming isn't all about the money, and obviously negotiations are painful and can make you feel less valued. Still I might suggest that next time some one says "bb why skype so much" rather than losing the business completely steal a page from the airlines and suggest a show that is convenient for you. For example I got a slot open Wed at 3 PM, toys only for X tokens, anything else including meals and luggage is extra.

Anyway thanks for the responses.

 

[Shaun__]

If you got rich a couple of regular who is willing to pay 4000 tokens/hour, another guy that wants a full hour with some talk for 3,000, and the student who can afford a 1000 tokens for a half hour. There is absolutely no need that they all pay the same price and it is very unlikely they'll every find out they pay different prices unless the PM each other. Negotiation should be done by PM and if the guy is willing to spend a couple hundred tokens to make your friends list, then he can fuck himself.

I would wonder why she felt spending time with me was so horrible that she had to charge me four times what she was charging the student.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

If you got rich a couple of regular who is willing to pay 4000 tokens/hour, another guy that wants a full hour with some talk for 3,000, and the student who can afford a 1000 tokens for a half hour. There is absolutely no need that they all pay the same price and it is very unlikely they'll every find out they pay different prices unless the PM each other. Negotiation should be done by PM and if the guy is willing to spend a couple hundred tokens to make your friends list, then he can fuck himself.

I would wonder why she felt spending time with me was so horrible that she had to charge me four times what she was charging the student.

There is absolute no reason you'd know what any skype customer paying. Anymore than you'd know how much the guy in the hotel room next to yours is paying or the person in the airplane 3 rows behind you, or the guy who rented the same Honda. I can tell you odds are good none of them paid the same as you.

 

[Shaun__]

If you got rich a couple of regular who is willing to pay 4000 tokens/hour, another guy that wants a full hour with some talk for 3,000, and the student who can afford a 1000 tokens for a half hour. There is absolutely no need that they all pay the same price and it is very unlikely they'll every find out they pay different prices unless the PM each other. Negotiation should be done by PM and if the guy is willing to spend a couple hundred tokens to make your friends list, then he can fuck himself.

I would wonder why she felt spending time with me was so horrible that she had to charge me four times what she was charging the student.

There is absolute no reason you'd know what any skype customer paying. Anymore than you'd know how much the guy in the hotel room next to yours is paying or the person in the airplane 3 rows behind you, or the guy who rented the same Honda. I can tell you odds are good none of them paid the same as you.

People talk and brag about those kind of things. You start giving super discounts to people and you could alienate your best customers. You know the ones with money.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

deal.

when I was a noob, a guy talked me into paypal saying that he could get a deal with me doing more money, but he wouldn't accept anything over $2 a minute. I realized that I was making $3 a minute through MFC private, and confronted him. He *still* tried to claim that it was better for me to take $2 a minute on paypal. In fact, there was no one willing to pay the same $6 a minute on paypal that they would've been paying on MFC, yet their claim was they wanted me to get 100% of the money. They always want it to be less money, and most of them want it to be less than the $3 a minute I'd get from an MFC private.

100% of $2/min < 50% of $6/min

Actually the guy was probably right on a aftertax basis. Although you should be paying tax on your skype shows that you get paid via paypal, Payoneer my guess is that many folks don't do this. So the $3/minute gross pay that MFC after they subtract 14.3% for payroll taxes (social security/medicare), say 25% for Federal income tax (15%-28% is reasonable range) and say 5% (more in many states) for state income tax works out to be a $1.67/minute or $100/hour after tax which is in fact less than $2/min $120 hour from Paypal, although obviously there is much greater risk with accepting Paypal. Taxes matter.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

If you got rich a couple of regular who is willing to pay 4000 tokens/hour, another guy that wants a full hour with some talk for 3,000, and the student who can afford a 1000 tokens for a half hour. There is absolutely no need that they all pay the same price and it is very unlikely they'll every find out they pay different prices unless the PM each other. Negotiation should be done by PM and if the guy is willing to spend a couple hundred tokens to make your friends list, then he can fuck himself.

I would wonder why she felt spending time with me was so horrible that she had to charge me four times what she was charging the student.

There is absolute no reason you'd know what any skype customer paying. Anymore than you'd know how much the guy in the hotel room next to yours is paying or the person in the airplane 3 rows behind you, or the guy who rented the same Honda. I can tell you odds are good none of them paid the same as you.

People talk and brag about those kind of things. You start giving super discounts to people and you could alienate your best customers. You know the ones with money.

I'm with shaun on this.

I remember in my local shop someone was complaining about how they should have a different que aisle for people with only a couple of items. Yes that works in big supermarkets, but why would a local shop stop allowing those people who do all their food shopping there go to one of the counters and make them wait twice as long so that the people who buy a couple of things from the shop can go in the que for less time? It would encourage people to buy less items because they'll be rewarded for spending less and punished for spending more.

If someone who tips all the time was skint then I might give him a cheaper show, or even just as a thank you, but I wouldn't reward that "oh so poor" student, whilst making my loyal high tipping reg pay more, why would I?! I'm not running a charity, I don't do this out of the kindness of my own heart. Besides, there is no way for anyone to prove how well off they are. Are my regulars rich? No, but they make it their priority to tip when they can, are my freeloaders poor? Mmm probably not, many I'm sure, but not all, they just don't see as much value in what I'm doing for them.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Totally agree with the girls above, I've not met a guy who's wanted skype who isn't trying to get lower prices.

Men do seem to have this weird idea that Skype shows should be so much cheaper, I wonder if it comes with that same idea that cam girls aren't supposed to be on here for the income but actually out of the kindness of our own hearts!

It baffles me why you think that people shouldn't try to get good deals. There are very, very few people who can drop the amounts you guys are quoting for that little time. For 2000 tokens per hour, one might as well get an escort and there's plenty of them at this price level.

And Skype shows should be 1/2 the price - considering you get the same money after MFC takes their cut. It's not any less money to you. That's the way I think of it at least.

Double post sorry.

Someone has said this to me before. If you want to go to a prostitute then go to a prostitute, if you're going to camgirls because you think it's the cheaper option then you're an idiot aren't you? If you hire an escort for an hour, she works for an hour, if you hire me for an hour, I work for an hour. Because I am over a screen is irrelevant. If a prostitute to you should be valued higher then that's how you feel. But there are those who don't want to go to a prostitute and enjoy that they can have their show in the comfort of their own home, just because you don't value it doesn't mean others don't. Why on earth I would favour those who don't value it to the ones that do is beyond me.

In fact, with me you do get more time free, you get that one on one time with me, and then you also get to watch me every time I'm online!

I make a fair amount on privates, I don't always accept them, but when I do I can make a lot off them. People are willing to take me private, I prefer privates it being on mfc, no one can find out my ip, I don't have to worry about people trying to turn their cams on, I like when people can spy, that I won't end up in a half hour conversation after the show and it's them who cut it off. Seeing as I generally have no problems being taken in privates, why would I go skype for cheaper? I actually have my skype prices high partly because I don't want to be taken skype unless by a tipping regular, or someone who see's me as worth the money. I do like to stay and chat on afterwards too so actually they get a lot more one on one time.

Every now and then say if I don't want to come online and me and a regular wants a private I'll offer skype instead, it works out pretty well for that. Any situations where you've bartered with someone else in the past, put it out of your head, because unless it were another cam girl, whoever you've been bartering with/essentially telling her she's not worth the money she wants for something that person isn't going to be getting naked for you and doing a show for you. If it's a lawyer it is NOT as personal, so yes, negotiations can be made. This is personal, and surely that's why it holds value.

 

[Anonymous]

Paypal has also never hassled me about the insane amount of transactions that go into my account. I'm a nerd who plays MMO's and sells in-game currency from time to time to help pay the bills and fund his MFC addiction

I was referring to female cam models who accept PayPal on a regular basis and get lots of deposits to their PP accounts for Skype shows or the purchase of panties, etc. (I'm assuming that PP would frown upon selling worn, cummy panties too...I don't know). Surprisingly, I haven't yet heard of any incidents where they shut down the guy's account for paying for adult transactions. *shrugs shoulders*

Never said anything about badgering models, promising not to scam them, or refusal to pay in tokens. For reasons stated above, it's for convenience for both myself and the model. If they don't have a Paypal that's fine... I don't know if you were responding to someone else and quoted me by accident or what

Don't worry...I didn't say it was *you* who badgers models, nor did I quote you by accident. My post is just something I figured every PP user (including the forum lurkers) should read, so they can avoid any negative PP experience in the future.

What's funny is that after posting on here last night, I got on MFC and someone new to my room asked about Skype and PayPal...lol.

 

[16_bit]

Paypal has also never hassled me about the insane amount of transactions that go into my account. I'm a nerd who plays MMO's and sells in-game currency from time to time to help pay the bills and fund his MFC addiction

I was referring to female cam models who accept PayPal on a regular basis and get lots of deposits to their PP accounts for Skype shows or the purchase of panties, etc. (I'm assuming that PP would frown upon selling worn, cummy panties too...I don't know). Surprisingly, I haven't yet heard of any incidents where they shut down the guy's account for paying for adult transactions. *shrugs shoulders*

I haven't heard of any instances of members getting their paypal account closed either.
The model i said i knew that had her account closed, i had made payments to her including one for $100. I didn't have my account closed, a warning or anything from paypal and i can still use it now. Maybe their terms and conditions or policy only states that your account will be shut for recieving payments and not making them? That or they're too lazy to look into every transaction so just close the recieving account.

A question for anyone that knows, whether through personal experince or not. If paypal close your account, do they stop you signing up for another account using the same details or do you have to change the e-mail address or something else?

 

[Anonymous]

If paypal close your account, do they stop you signing up for another account using the same details or do you have to change the e-mail address or something else?

Good question.

I know that on eBay, you can create a new account under a different e-mail address, after your original account has been suspended (Yeah, I made a bad choice years ago and didn't pay for an item that I thought I'd buy).

 

[JickyJuly]

Paypal has also never hassled me about the insane amount of transactions that go into my account. I'm a nerd who plays MMO's and sells in-game currency from time to time to help pay the bills and fund his MFC addiction

I was referring to female cam models who accept PayPal on a regular basis and get lots of deposits to their PP accounts for Skype shows or the purchase of panties, etc. (I'm assuming that PP would frown upon selling worn, cummy panties too...I don't know). Surprisingly, I haven't yet heard of any incidents where they shut down the guy's account for paying for adult transactions. *shrugs shoulders*

I haven't heard of any instances of members getting their paypal account closed either.
The model i said i knew that had her account closed, i had made payments to her including one for $100. I didn't have my account closed, a warning or anything from paypal and i can still use it now. Maybe their terms and conditions or policy only states that your account will be shut for recieving payments and not making them? That or they're too lazy to look into every transaction so just close the recieving account.

A question for anyone that knows, whether through personal experince or not. If paypal close your account, do they stop you signing up for another account using the same details or do you have to change the e-mail address or something else?

I think that in some instances models have actually been banned completely from Paypal after having their money frozen. If you enjoy shopping via the internet, that's a pretty big risk to take. I'm sure if members were more aware of all the things that can go wrong on the gal's end when accepting Paypal, fewer would ask.

 

[Shaun__]

A question for anyone that knows, whether through personal experince or not. If paypal close your account, do they stop you signing up for another account using the same details or do you have to change the e-mail address or something else?

Your bank account is tied to your paypal account, so I do not know if they would let you start a new account.

 

[AllisonWilder]

As far as having your account shut down, you can still sign up for a new one, but it has to be with completely different details and email address. If your bank account or any cards were used to verify the account, you can't ever use those accounts again on PayPal.

 

[Weirdtimmy]

Paypal has also never hassled me about the insane amount of transactions that go into my account. I'm a nerd who plays MMO's and sells in-game currency from time to time to help pay the bills and fund his MFC addiction

I was referring to female cam models who accept PayPal on a regular basis and get lots of deposits to their PP accounts for Skype shows or the purchase of panties, etc. (I'm assuming that PP would frown upon selling worn, cummy panties too...I don't know). Surprisingly, I haven't yet heard of any incidents where they shut down the guy's account for paying for adult transactions. *shrugs shoulders*

Well Paypal doesn't recognize what the money transfers are for, so that's irrelevant. People just check the box that says "gift" so there's no additional charges with the transfer. I was just explaining the past 5 years of my life I've been getting lump sums of cash deposited into my Paypal account very often, sometimes daily, sometimes weekly, never having problems with it. They have no idea if they're adult transactions or not

 

[Just Me]

the only legitimate reason I can see a member trying to haggle with a model on her prices is that they're much more accustomed to the Streamate "make your own prices" kind of deal, so when they see a model on MFC having to charge $6 a minute by default, they naturally assume that the model would take $2 or 3 per minute on Skype or a random messenger because that's around the average price of most models on other sites.

Also, am i an asshole for asking if I can buy a Skype show with Paypal? I know that I'm not going to attempt to get my money back, as I'm not an asshole, and I've bought many shows with Paypal (as that's where my friends send me money), but is the default thought of someone asking to pay via Paypal is they're a scammer?

You are not an asshole, but you are being completely unfair to models by asking them to take the risk, if you know about Paypal's policies. The default with most models, if they know about Paypal's policies AND they don't know you, would have to be scammer or cheapskate.

As to haggling, my feeling is haggling is bad but asking once if they will accept a lower amount is not. If you say I have this many tokens, will you accept that for 15min of Skype time? I can't see that anyone would have an issue with that. If you keep asking for lower rates or asking why are your prices so high or another model will do for this amount, then you are out of line.

I also feel that MFC should get a cut. While some might disagree, I think since they facilitated the transaction, allowed the model to be there, paid for the bandwidth for such a meeting, and drive some traffic that way, they are entitled to their fair share. It always strikes me as someone being cheap when they use the argument, you will get more of the money, when at the same time not willing to pay as much as they would get for a private on MFC.

 

[Shaun__]

I always put a note when sending money with paypal, and I hope that makes it look less sketchy.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I make a fair amount on privates, I don't always accept them, but when I do I can make a lot off them. People are willing to take me private, I prefer privates it being on mfc, no one can find out my ip, I don't have to worry about people trying to turn their cams on, I like when people can spy, that I won't end up in a half hour conversation after the show and it's them who cut it off. Seeing as I generally have no problems being taken in privates, why would I go skype for cheaper? I actually have my skype prices high partly because I don't want to be taken skype unless by a tipping regular, or someone who see's me as worth the money. I do like to stay and chat on afterwards too so actually they get a lot more one on one time.

Every now and then say if I don't want to come online and me and a regular wants a private I'll offer skype instead, it works out pretty well for that. Any situations where you've bartered with someone else in the past, put it out of your head, because unless it were another cam girl, whoever you've been bartering with/essentially telling her she's not worth the money she wants for something that person isn't going to be getting naked for you and doing a show for you. If it's a lawyer it is NOT as personal, so yes, negotiations can be made. This is personal, and surely that's why it holds value.

Just to be clear the skype economics for models like yourself with a high camscore, is different than a model with a low score. You're already making through public and private shows nearly as much as per hour you would if you set a skype price the same as private. If the hassle of dealing with skype are such that you want to set it at true private cost it's not like it you are losing much, if any money.

However for the 50%+ of the models who are making less than 1,000/tokens hour, even setting skype price as low as 300 or 400 tokens for a 15 minute show is going to make them more money and improve their camscore. The problem as Emma pointed out is MFC charges the same price for all model for private show. At the risk of comparing cam girl to cars.

I may really like my Honda Accord and when I travel, I rent them exclusively. I go on holiday and I am shocked to find that rental car company charges exactly the same to rent any car. Now the rental is quite expensive so I may only rent the car for a day. But odds are almost certain that I'll rent a Porsche or Mercedes, rather than a Honda for that day.

I may really like Emma, hang out in her room, tip her appropriately. But if I decide to splurge on a private, odds are pretty good I'll go for one of the top models. Skype is a way for Emma to compete for my business by offering me a lower price, more time and better experience. A real top model may not even want to offer private because she makes more per hour doing public chat, if she does Skype at all she should price them higher than a MFC private say 150 tokens a minute.

 

[Kradek]

I may really like Emma, hang out in her room, tip her appropriately. But if I decide to splurge on a private, odds are pretty good I'll go for one of the top models.

 

[Shaun__]

I may really like Emma, hang out in her room, tip her appropriately. But if I decide to splurge on a private, odds are pretty good I'll go for one of the top models. Skype is a way for Emma to compete for my business by offering me a lower price, more time and better experience. A real top model may not even want to offer private because she makes more per hour doing public chat, if she does Skype at all she should price them higher than a MFC private say 150 tokens a minute.

Going private with a model I know is so much more fun for me. I just go to a tube site if I want to see a random hot chick do stuff. Besides I hang out with my model friends because I like them as people, and knowing they are good people makes them even sexier to me.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I may really like Emma, hang out in her room, tip her appropriately. But if I decide to splurge on a private, odds are pretty good I'll go for one of the top models. Skype is a way for Emma to compete for my business by offering me a lower price, more time and better experience. A real top model may not even want to offer private because she makes more per hour doing public chat, if she does Skype at all she should price them higher than a MFC private say 150 tokens a minute.

Going private with a model I know is so much more fun for me. I just go to a tube site if I want to see a random hot chick do stuff. Besides I hang out with my model friends because I like them as people, and knowing they are good people makes them even sexier to me.

I hear you, but remember the guys on AFC are probably not very typical of the guys on MFC. We use complete sentences , at least most of the time, and are interested in a models brains.
Ultimately MFC is about a fantasy, not about finding a girlfriend or mistress. While there are certainly plenty of guys of you like you that getting to know a girl makes her sexy. There a plenty of guys who think man if I am going to fork over $300/hour for a private I'm go to have it with the hottest girl I can find. There are also guys like me who are torn between paying for private with girl we really like and the ones that really turn us on. Skype shows are way of leveling the playing field for models who aren't as traditionally beautiful.

 

[mynameisbob84]

There are also guys like me who are torn between paying for private with girl we really like and the ones that really turn us on.

Why must the two be mutually exclusive?

 

[Shaun__]

I hear you, but remember the guys on AFC are probably not very typical of the guys on MFC. We use complete sentences , at least most of the time, and are interested in a models brains.
Ultimately MFC is about a fantasy, not about finding a girlfriend or mistress. While there are certainly plenty of guys of you like you that getting to know a girl makes her sexy. There a plenty of guys who think man if I am going to fork over $300/hour for a private I'm go to have it with the hottest girl I can find. There are also guys like me who are torn between paying for private with girl we really like and the ones that really turn us on. Skype shows are way of leveling the playing field for models who aren't as traditionally beautiful.

To be honest all my model friends are very beautiful women, but their personalities are what captivate me. Especially my favoritest one.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

There are also guys like me who are torn between paying for private with girl we really like and the ones that really turn us on.

Why must the two be mutually exclusive?

They don't but they often are. Guys get turn on by their wives or girlfriends, but most of the time when the fap to some girl on the internet she is hotter than their girlfriend or wife, or am I missing something :? .

 

[JickyJuly]

I think the real problem with questioning girls as to their prices and what methods of payment they're willing to accept comes down to boundaries. While you may only ask 1 girl in a day if she'd like to Skype and follow that with haggling over the price etc., she's likely heard it over and over throughout her shift. For every dude that wants to pay via Paypal in hopes of giving a camgirl 100% of the money, there are 20 who just want to pay 1/2 of an already discounted rate. Then there's the fact that when you're dealing with tons of people on a daily basis, it's necessary to just have your practices clearly outlined, know what you're doing and what you're comfortable with. If your favorite store doesn't accept personal checks, are you going to have a tantrum at the counter and expect them to take yours because you say you are trustworthy? And, if you do so, is any cashier with half a brain going to do as you ask?

On top of that, if Paypal wants to look down on the legal business that Camgirls conduct, why should we try to do business with them no matter who asks us to? Why should we prefer to share any percentage of our earnings with their company instead of with MFC? Sure, you can click gift, but that's a lie. Some girls put a lot of time and effort into their work. Lying is not a legit way to do business.

 

[mynameisbob84]

There are also guys like me who are torn between paying for private with girl we really like and the ones that really turn us on.

Why must the two be mutually exclusive?

They don't but they often are. Guys get turn on by their wives or girlfriends, but most of the time when the fap to some girl on the internet she is hotter than their girlfriend or wife, or am I missing something :? .

But cam girls aren't our wives or girlfriends (generally). It sounds shallow ('cos it kind of is) but part of the appeal of cam girls is the fact that they're kinda hot. Not many guys will take the time to get to know a model if they don't find them initially attractive, ya know?

 

[AllisonWilder]

There are also guys like me who are torn between paying for private with girl we really like and the ones that really turn us on.

Why must the two be mutually exclusive?

They don't but they often are. Guys get turn on by their wives or girlfriends, but most of the time when the fap to some girl on the internet she is hotter than their girlfriend or wife, or am I missing something :? .

:lol:

 

[IsabellaSnow]

There are also guys like me who are torn between paying for private with girl we really like and the ones that really turn us on.

Why must the two be mutually exclusive?

They don't but they often are. Guys get turn on by their wives or girlfriends, but most of the time when the fap to some girl on the internet she is hotter than their girlfriend or wife, or am I missing something :? .

Umm yes generally, but it's a matter of opinions. I was having this same conversation earlier, I'm the favourite model of several guys (as far as I know), and a favourite of quite a few, but because I'm very curvy and do have weight on me there are lots of guys who would rather I were slimmer, so in real life if I dated someone they might feel like they're compromising, or even if I'm the hottest girl they've gone out with, they might still be aware I'm not perfect. Whilst on mfc there are thousands and thousands of girls you could choose out of, you don't really need to "compromise". One persons flaw is another persons perfection.

I also do get what your saying, although a little bit brutal on that girl...
People also get very effected by popularity and what everyone else does. The majority of members on mfc are sheep. They see a large group of people watching/tipping, and they automatically think "well this must be good" It's the same with everything, if a girl sees a really good looking girl with a not attractive guy, they'll think the guy is hotter for it, because that hot girl clearly likes him! (I am generalising)

Maybe having one on one time with someone who many others would love to get means it's worth more to you, I don't know. Personally I'd go with the model I prefer/turns me on the most.
Out of the top models or actually any of the models the ones I find sexiest are not the best looking ones, looks are important, but it's the energy they give off that does it for me. Would I rather have a private show with someone who seriously turns me on or with someone because I could not get with them in real life/they're popular? Definitely the first one for me.

Yes I can understand if you're making bugger all money why you would lower your prices to try and entice people to take you in a show. Sometimes I do deals etc if I want either a camscore boost or I need extra tokens or even vouchers, most of us do, even girls with super high camscores, my camscore isn't low, I wouldn't say it's high, but yes I have a lot less trouble than other girls.

Depending on how much lower you try and get a girl to do her prices. if a girl says 80 tokens a minute and you say, "well I have 500 tokens, could be do 10/15 mins?" You're asking her to drop 300-700 tokens, that's pretty insulting and disrespectful. If she says it's 600 for 10 mins and you say is it ok to pay 550 because that's how much the token package is (I'm pretty sure that's right..?) then I'd possibly say ok, that it's fair enough but only if the person were a regular. Trying to get a show for 1000 tokens less means the model is losing out on $30. Essentially if you want to shop in poundland then great, but don't complain about the quality. If you want to shop higher end and have the labels etc then don't try bargaining the price down because you can buy a t-shirt for a tenner in tk max. They don't care, and they're not missing out, enough people don't mind spending £50 on a nice t-shirt, they have chosen not to be like primark for a reason. Personally I don't want to do private shows for cheapos/bargain hunters, so I don't have low prices to deter them.

If I go out for a meal and there's something on the menu that is more than another thing, unless I am absolutely skint I will go for what I want. I'm spending money anyway, if I don't get what I actually want and therefore don't enjoy it nearly as much, then all that money was wasted. If it's something that I'd like nearly as much and the other thing is wayyy more expensive, then I'd probably go for the cheaper (if money's an issue). A nice restaurant also isn't going to start selling stuff at mcdonalds prices because they're worried they'll lose out on those customers.

 

[Anonymous]

Well Paypal doesn't recognize what the money transfers are for, so that's irrelevant. People just check the box that says "gift" so there's no additional charges with the transfer. I was just explaining the past 5 years of my life I've been getting lump sums of cash deposited into my Paypal account very often, sometimes daily, sometimes weekly, never having problems with it. They have no idea if they're adult transactions or not

Not to be rude, but there is nothing "irrelevant" about models wanting to be safe and not give away free shows. I still don't know why, knowing all the risks, models still accept PP payments when there are other options. The moment I learned about PP's policy, I stopped doing Yahoo! Messenger cam sessions with the nice dude who paid for it. It's nothing personal TO HIM...I'm just not willing to risk my account, and I don't like working for free.

 

[Anonymous]

You are not an asshole, but you are being completely unfair to models by asking them to take the risk, if you know about Paypal's policies.

Exactly.