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We don't know if he put anyone in the situation. I mean, sometimes there are just tragic accidents, y'know? I went on field trips to explore caverns with my school when I was the same age as those kids, so it's kind of easy for me to imagine it as a good team-building adventure. It's a popular tourist attraction so there was no reason to expect it wouldn't go well, especially when the team had visited on a prior occasion without anything going wrong. How was anyone to know that it would start flooding? When I go visit popular tourist attractions, I certainly never expect tragic accidents to happen. No matter how alert and responsible you are, you just can't plan for every contingency.

Flash flooding is scary, man. One minute it's fine and the next, there's water pouring in faster than you can think. It's easy to panic, especially when it's dark and you're underground. Throw in eleven kids who are probably freaking out, trying to navigate CAVE systems with probably nothing more than flashlights - it's so easy to get twisted around. There aren't usually signs telling you where to go. All you can think of is getting to higher ground and keeping the group together and the kids are freaking out, but the water keeps rising and you've got to keep going because there's no way to turn back. He might have been the adult - but I don't think very many humans would have been able to handle that situation perfectly.

Everything I've read suggested it was an unexpected accident, and clearly, he did his best. He kept the children alive. He kept them together, made sure no one got serious injured. Even when they found higher ground and were trapped for daaaays while people searched for them, he managed to keep the children calm. He managed to keep them alive without food or water. And flashlights don't last that long. Which means they had to wait in the dark, trapped under the earth. I can't imagine how difficult it would have to be to stay strong in front of all of those kids, not knowing if anyone would find them, but telling them over and over again that it would be okay. But the coach was a young buddhist monk who taught the frightened children to meditate to calm their nerves in the middle of the crisis. He took responsibility for his group in a bad situation, and everyone came through. The children's parents are grateful for the care he took of those children. They regard him as a hero who kept their children alive.

It's easy to want to blame someone when something goes wrong, but everything I've read suggested this wasn't his fault. Monsoon rains came unexpectedly and the exit was trapped. There was no way to get them out that way, even if he wanted to. Several of the kids couldn't swim, and trying to attempt it could have cost all of their lives. All he could do is take the kids deeper into the cave system and pray for the best. People visit those cave systems all of the time. But you cannot control nature. You can't plan on flash flood waters. There is no one to blame here. Tragic accidents happen every day, y'know? Luckily, everyone survived this harrowing ordeal, and if that coach hadn't kept those kids calm and lead them to higher ground, who knows how many lives might have been lost?

You're a much more patient person than I am for explaining all of that, when I was mainly ANGRY with someone who didn't seem to be knowledgeable of the facts or about different cultures but nevertheless started a thread about the situation :|
 
Which is precisely why they shouldn't have done what they did.

If you're unaware of all the risks going into cavernous tunnels, you have no business risking the lives of other people's children without their approval.

There are risks for flash flooding everywhere. Look at what happened in Japan just days ago. 176 dead so far because no one expected the rain. Flash floods can kill you in canyons, on roads, in your own home. These kids happened to be in a tunnel. The wrong place at the wrong time. There are risks everywhere you go. There are a MILLION risks of all types that come when you take a group of kids on a field trip, even if you were heading to the safest place on earth. Heck, just getting on the road has huge risks - I've read so many stories of bus accidents and children losing lives. The point is, tragic accidents can happen anywhere, anytime, anyplace. You cannot control that, and blaming people doesn't change that fact. Even if you stay in your own home and never leave, you are at risk. Even from the cruel and unpredictable forces of mother nature. Even from flash floods.

I did a lot of research and read a lot of letters by all of the parents offering reassurance and empathy and support. The parents trusted him and gave him responsibility for their children, and he took it seriously by ensuring every child survived. Everywhere I read shows that the parents have and do approve of him, so maybe I am missing something? He has taken those children into the cave before and it went well. Clearly, no one was angry about it because they went back for a SECOND trip. If the cave exploring adventure wasn't something the parents approved of, I highly doubt the adults would have continued to entrust him with the responsibility of their children, and I don't think he would have taken them cave exploring AGAIN. The fact that this was not their first adventure down these exact same cave tunnels suggests that the parents weren't opposed to it.
 
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He has taken those children into the cave before and it went well. Clearly, no one was angry about it because they went back for a SECOND trip. If the cave exploring adventure wasn't something the parents approved of, I highly doubt the adults would have continued to entrust him with the responsibility of their children, and I don't think he would have taken them cave exploring AGAIN. The fact that this was not their first adventure down these exact same cave tunnels suggests that the parents weren't opposed to it.

So it's the rain's fault?

Did he check the forecast before taking the kids in there?
 
Which is precisely why they shouldn't have done what they did.

By that logic, the old man in my city who died a few weeks ago when sudden flood waters swept him away, had no business going outside to check his mail or take out the trash or whatever it was he was doing. It was safe when he opened his door, then suddenly he wasn't safe anymore. That's how flash floods work.
 
I don't forgive him for taking those kids into a cave either. If I were the parent of one of those children, I might be too busy blaming myself to blame him or forgive him. Or, I might forgive him for the sake of being able to talk about it with my child in a productive way. But, as someone with no motivation to forgive in the situation, no matter what happened the guy was responsible for keeping those babes safe and failed in a way that was huge and avoidable.
Do you all also feel the family of the dead rescuer owes him forgiveness?
Actions have consequences especially when you're responsible for children. If all he has to worry about now is forgiveness, he's lucky.
 
That really sucks SB and It's a tragedy he lost his life that way. If you live in or plan on visiting a flood-prone area it makes good sense to stay current with weather warnings or advisories. I'm always checking the forecast, wave heights... but there always seems to be tragic incidents where people were not aware or blatantly ignored the warnings. May he rest in peace.
 
I have history in spelunking! Well my father does. He would go on lots of mapping expideditions in the late 80's, and most of the 90's. My brothers and I always got brought along when they would do basic expideditions to caverns that are very easy and already mapped. Sometimes the four of us would go in little ones around his house. My father is definitely more qualified then a soccer coach.

From what I've read, that cave is a popular tourist destination and adventure hot spot. It being the fourth biggest in the country, I can see why it was accepted for that community to regularly go in there. Looking at photos and the map it looks no different to ones I've been in around their age.

Weather forecasts are not always accurate because they are predictions based on complying a bunch of data. Ya know, metorology. Living in the tropics I know it's a lot less accurate and harder to predict. It's also the heaviest rain season right now and started early. Tours aver available until the end of June. They got stuck June 23rd.

Its easy to jump to neglagence, but from my experience, I can see this being unfortunate circumstances that could of ended in tragedy. Thank goodness gracious those little boys were rescued. Sad that Thai Navy SEAL unselfishly died getting oxygen tanks to the group. What a hero.

Positives is the board of tourism in Thailand is upping their safety and making sure it's properly implemented. Their SEALS team will now be training for flooded cave scenarios to insure quicker response time. There is a reason why it took almost 2 weeks.

Another positive is this rescue brought international light to the Thailand's stateless people. Which is complicated af.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-of-thailands-stateless-people-idUSKBN1K40F6
 
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That really sucks SB and It's a tragedy he lost his life that way. If you live in or plan on visiting a flood-prone area it makes good sense to stay current with weather warnings or advisories. I'm always checking the forecast, wave heights... but there always seems to be tragic incidents where people were not aware or blatantly ignored the warnings. May he rest in peace.
I did concrete work for many years & always was checking weather forecasts for many years then on my 2nd job I did the same thing as we were in a shed that flooded heavily if we got a storm & I still check it today but I don't worry about it as much now that I'm in Phoenix as I was in Chicago when I was checking for weather & traffic quite heavily. I remember when Houston got Black Ice & let a model know to be careful when driving on it as my living near Chicago 40 years gave me plenty of experience around it
 
Another thing I remembered was when I was living near Chicago was when the whole area got over 9 inches of rain & & it practically shut down everything as Mother Nature isn't anything to play with guys
 
I'm surprised any of them survived the flooding. They some how managed to thread the needle on a flash flood in side a cave.
 
Positives is the board of tourism in Thailand is upping their safety and making sure it's properly implemented. Their SEALS team will now be training for flooded cave scenarios to insure quicker response time. There is a reason why it took almost 2 weeks.

Another positive is this rescue brought international light to the Thailand's stateless people. Which is complicated af.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-of-thailands-stateless-people-idUSKBN1K40F6

I'll admit when I first heard of their predicament, my initial thoughts were on the morbid side. So thankful everything turned out the way it aside from the one rescuer's loss of life. Stricter safety measures and better training are all positives among other things resulting from their survival.

Looking forward to learning about their daily subterranean routines in complete darkness and what they did to keep their hopes up without going batshit crazy.
 
Good news is they're closing access during the rainy season.

Bad news is it looks like I'm not going fishing tomorrow...

Rest Of Tonight
North winds 20 to 25 kt. Slight chance of waterspouts. Scattered showers. Waves 5 to 8 ft occasionally to 10 ft.
Sunday
North winds 15 to 25 kt becoming northeast 15 to 20 kt. Slight chance of waterspouts in the morning. Chance of showers. Waves 4 to 7 ft occasionally to 9 ft subsiding to 3 to 5 ft late.
 
I'm just here to mention the egregious shit Elon Musk tried to pull.

For those who don't know, Elon Musk is the CEO (not founder) of Tesla and many other useless projects that are eerily reminiscent of SkyMall and Sharper Image: producing the best in useless, impractical, expensive junk for bored rich people!

As of late, Elon has taken to Twitter to demonstrate his progressively worsening insanity. Half the investors in the U.S. (and Wall Street at-large) are shorting $TSLA; Tesla has consistently missed production deadlines, made false promises, and is notorious for violating health and safety regulations. And now...

Elon heard about the cave conundrum and wanted in. He saw it as a great PR opportunity/publicity stunt. So what does he do? He tells everyone via Twitter and interviews that he is going to save the kids. He develops and builds a mini-submarine to carry the kids out. Brings it to Thailand despite all the experts and team of wonderful, qualified people who have a plan in-place to save these kids telling him that his idea WON'T WORK (like all of his ideas). They tell him he's "just in the way" and that the PR nightmare has only been exacerbated by his meddling.

So, Elon gets mad because he never gets to use his submarine and be the savior. Regardless, he posts these ambiguous Tweets that indicate that he did save the kids (a lot of Musk fans and unwitting folks still believe this). When he gets called out by one of the two original divers that found the kids, he calls the guy a "pedo" in public.

Classy, Elon.

Anyway, just wanted to share that for some lulz. Glad the kids are safe now...no thanks to Elon.
 
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I can't help but feel a little bit of schadenfreude at the new backlash against Musk, as people are beginning to realize he's nothing more than another egomaniacal baby billionaire, only concerned about playing with his toys and shitposting on Twitter.
 
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I did a lot of research and read a lot of letters by all of the parents offering reassurance and empathy and support. The parents trusted him and gave him responsibility for their children, and he took it seriously by ensuring every child survived.

He was lucky they all survived only due to other's heroic efforts & drugging those kids enough so they wouldn't freak out while getting them through the treacherous underwater terrain.

It was safe when he opened his door, then suddenly he wasn't safe anymore. He had no business going outside to check his mail or take out the trash or whatever it was he was doing. It was safe when he opened his door, then suddenly he wasn't safe anymore.

Mother nature can be one cruel unforgiving bitch.
 
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