Things Members Say That Make You Go "WTF?"

[NotYou]

I understand that. But, this isn't the case. In the US, a person who solicits a prostitute is referred to as a "John". The equivalent to "Punters" in the UK I believe.

I understand in both model and prostitution, they are both "clients". But IMO it's incorrect to refer to a cam model's clients as "Johns" or "Punters" because the meanings are different. I would think most cam models would have issues with their clients being referred to as those due to the fact that they distance themselves from in-person contact.

"Johns" is traditionally (US?) slang for customers of prostitutes, so calling cam site users "Johns" is IMO a bit iffy. But as we say here; the mouth runs over with what the heart is full of
I guess the cam sites are pimps then ...

I definitely wasn't aware of that, but thanks.

 

[Smoothie]

In the U.S., the term “John” pretty much exclusively describes a customer of a prostitute. I’m not sure either side of a perfectly legal, no-contact camming transaction would want to describe themselves (or each other) that way.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

In the U.S., the term “John” pretty much exclusively describes a customer of a prostitute. I’m not sure either side of a perfectly legal, no-contact camming transaction would want to describe themselves (or each other) that way.

Yep, that's my point and why I was inquiring why @sikayoujo has referred to members as being "johns" multiple times.

 

[Danigirl]

I understand that. But, this isn't the case. In the US, a person who solicits a prostitute is referred to as a "John". The equivalent to "Punters" in the UK I believe.

I understand in both model and prostitution, they are both "clients". But IMO it's incorrect to refer to a cam model's clients as "Johns" or "Punters" because the meanings are different. I would think most cam models would have issues with their clients being referred to as those due to the fact that they distance themselves from in-person contact.

Yeah I get an eye twitch every time I read that term in regards to members

 

[mike_aussie]

Can I ask why you refer to members as Johns? This is not the first time you've called them such

John is an old escort/prostitute term for a male customer, presumably anonymous or using a fake name. An impersonal term but still used in some places. In Australia the term Punter is used more commonly and a booking is known as a Punt (as in taking a punt), probably because you never know how the booking will go until you are in the middle of it.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

John is an old escort/prostitute term for a male customer, presumably anonymous or using a fake name. An impersonal term but still used in some places. In Australia the term Punter is used more commonly and a booking is known as a Punt (as in taking a punt), probably because you never know how the booking will go until you are in the middle of it.

Understood and agreed on the definition. My point is that either she doesn't know the term, which she should if she's been a model for any length of time. Or, she's using it in a derogatory manner which is how I'm taking it based off of some of her other negative comments. So, if she's referring to us (members) as Johns, does that then mean she's okay if she's referred to then as a prostitute? Being she's said in other posts she does not, nor will not meet in person, I would say she does not fit the definition of a prostitute and would most likely have issues with the label.

Therefore if she doesn't want to be labeled as a prostitute, then she should not be referring to cam site members as Johns and should use the correct term: member. Cam models have long fought the stigma of being considered a prostitute or escort, and I would think most here would not be comfortable seeing the moniker of "John" associated with their work because of it.

 

[mike_aussie]

Understood and agreed on the definition. My point is that either she doesn't know the term, which she should if she's been a model for any length of time. Or, she's using it in a derogatory manner which is how I'm taking it based off of some of her other negative comments. So, if she's referring to us (members) as Johns, does that then mean she's okay if she's referred to then as a prostitute? Being she's said in other posts she does not, nor will not meet in person, I would say she does not fit the definition of a prostitute and would most likely have issues with the label.

Therefore if she doesn't want to be labeled as a prostitute, then she should not be referring to cam site members as Johns and should use the correct term: member. Cam models have long fought the stigma of being considered a prostitute or escort, and I would think most here would not be comfortable seeing the moniker of "John" associated with their work because of it.

It's definitely outdated same as prostitute and hooker. I gues it sort of fits if you only think of members as non-distinct virtual ATM machines... but that negative attitude won't get you far unless you're doing a dom gimmick and you use the term "john" as an insult.

 

[MarieElise]

To me neither the term John nor Prostitute/ Hooker/ Escort/ Sugar Baby or even Stripper, are derogatory. So that part, I'm not getting at all, but I guess it depends on the contexts of the other comments.

However, it's probably best not to use the term John, from a business standpoint, as it creates confusion regarding what services are being offered. Soliciting prostitution on cam sites will get models kicked off and banned. So from a business perspective, it's best to neither violate cam sites ToS by soliciting prostitution nor using the term John. Because using the term John is gonna make a lot of people think that prostitution services are being offered under the table as it were, or in like a subtle; "I don't offer them because it's against ToS, but actually, I really do offer full service" way. Those type of cam site users/ members are trouble, and I'm pretty sure most other models don't want them to be encouraged in any way. Because then they are gonna start pressuring the rest of us for prostitution, which none of us want, nor are open to. I hope that made sense.

Calling Members Johns is gonna cause confusion and trouble, for all parties (imo).
If Members find the terms Buyer or User insulting, fine, I won't use those either. I think I have used them, but I didn't mean it in an insulting way. I'm fine with going by Members, if that's the preferred term. Just like the term Models seems to be the most widely used, and preferred on our side of things (I think, right?).

ETA; I would also like to note here, as I have before, that it's very common for new models to get attacked by more trolls etc than models who have been at this a while. So it presents a skewed, unfair picture of who the average cam user is, and can create resentment and negativity. Those guys are not Members, they are Freeloaders, Trolls, and Parasites. The guys that pay for shows, are polite, and use our services as intended are Members. So Members are the ones we respect, appreciate, and like. It's difficult as a new model to make these distinctions because you get bombarded by Trolls to begin with, so they start to think that's all that there is on these cam sites. So in a way, then the Trolls win.

 

[MarieElise]

Oh shit, when I reread that I noticed I used the term "user" a bunch. I tend to use that term because I think of it as we are all connecting through the use of technology, so I apologize if that offended anyone. I also want to note, that from the time I have spent on this forum I've noticed, all of the guys who hang out here are either Members, Models, Tech Guys or some combo of those 3 things. Once in awhile a Troll pops by, but they usually don't stay, and the Members tell them off anyways and set them straight.

 

[Smoothie]

Oh shit, when I reread that I noticed I used the term "user" a bunch. I tend to use that term because I think of it as we are all connecting through the use of technology, so I apologize if that offended anyone. I also want to note, that from the time I have spent on this forum I've noticed, all of the guys who hang out here are either Members, Models, Tech Guys or some combo of those 3 things. Once in awhile a Troll pops by, but they usually don't stay, and the Members tell them off anyways and set them straight.

“User” doesn’t really offend me because it has no negative connotation, IMO. It’s very common for website visitors to be called that, so I just take it as shorthand for “website user.” It’s not my favorite but I don’t find it offensive either.

“John” bothers me because I’m not one, and as you pointed out, the guys that fit that billing tend to not be the type of guy I want to be lumped in with. If that makes sense.

 

[Danigirl]

John bothers me because it's not really the correct term for camming members and not really used in a flattering way. If it was used for actual prostitution clients the slang would be correct and it is what it is. I dunno, personally I always think of street prostitutes calling them john's and escorts calling them clients in a sort of hierarchy since escorts tend to get a name even if not fully real. So john's are just nameless people to get a quick buck from and no relationship.
But whatever. I use the terms of members and users.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

As @Danigirl and @Smoothie mentioned, I'm not a John out looking for a prostitute nor an escort. It's not that I'm offended by it, per se. It is not the correct term to use in reference to cam site visitors/members and why I called out the way I did.

I completely get that some models get singled out more than others by trolls or others with ill intent. My question is why, what are they doing to make it be that way? As we've seen with other models who've complained about similar situations, something triggers the repeat visits. Like other bullies, it's usually because they can trigger a response where a person will lash out and that becomes the bully's entertainment of sorts. I mentioned her use of John as being derogatory based off of how I perceived some of her other posts. Is this the reason for it? Is she using "John" in her room and causing confusion? Don't know, only she can speak to that.

All reasons why I asked her why she uses the term. But, as of my writing this, she hasn't been around to answer from what I've seen.

 

[mika_kedi]

I understand that. But, this isn't the case. In the US, a person who solicits a prostitute is referred to as a "John". The equivalent to "Punters" in the UK I believe.

I understand in both model and prostitution, they are both "clients". But IMO it's incorrect to refer to a cam model's clients as "Johns" or "Punters" because the meanings are different. I would think most cam models would have issues with their clients being referred to as those due to the fact that they distance themselves from in-person contact.

Why would we want to distance ourselves from full service sex workers, when it's them who even made our jobs as online sex workers possible? Camming is in no way "better" or "more respectable" than FSSW.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Why would we want to distance ourselves from full service sex workers, when it's them who even made our jobs as online sex workers possible? Camming is in no way "better" or "more respectable" than FSSW.

you misread. I'm not saying cam models are more respectable or better. By distancing, I am referring to distancing from their clients and typically do not meet in person.

 

[CheeseMoon]

It's not that I'm offended by it, per se.

Well maybe not, but it certainly isn't helpful to liken camsite users/members to guys who hand over a tenner to get a blowjob behind a tree in the park. How many posts here are from models who complain in various ways about users who take meetups and full service almost for granted? If you call users who come to your cam site room for "Johns", you aren't really allowed to complain if they take you for a prostitute.

Words have meaning.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Well maybe not, but it certainly isn't helpful to liken camsite users/members to guys who hand over a tenner to get a blowjob behind a tree in the park. How many posts here are from models who complain in various ways about users who take meetups and full service almost for granted? If you call users who come to your cam site room for "Johns", you aren't really allowed to complain if they take you for a prostitute.

Words have meaning.

Exactly, and it the point was trying to make

 

[Danigirl]

Why would we want to distance ourselves from full service sex workers, when it's them who even made our jobs as online sex workers possible? Camming is in no way "better" or "more respectable" than FSSW.

It is more legal... I distance myself because I'd like to keep custody but hold no judgement. It's not a diss to full service I just don't want any misunderstandings based on terms. Whole point of cam modeling instead of just online porn is the personal interactions and a john is as impersonal as it gets.

 

[Smoothie]

It is more legal... I distance myself because I'd like to keep custody but hold no judgement. It's not a diss to full service I just don't want any misunderstandings based on terms. Whole point of cam modeling instead of just online porn is the personal interactions and a john is as impersonal as it gets.

Exactly.

I didn’t make the laws, but what I (a member) do is legal. What a John does is illegal. That’s a significant distinction, with or without judgment. And it has potential bad consequences, in a worst case scenario.

 

[MarieElise]

I completely get that some models get singled out more than others by trolls or others with ill intent. My question is why, what are they doing to make it be that way?

Although there's an element of that, at times, I don't want to victim blame. It's a fact, that there is a whole subset of "Members" out there, who purely go after models with the 'New' tag on sites, to take advantage and manipulate them. Because that subset of "Members" knows it's easier, and that new models are more likely to be naive and easier to trick and rip off. That's a fact.

Yes, there is also an element of many New models then feeding into it, on top of that, and letting it affect their overall demeanor. Thus causing an even worse severe downward spiral, but no they are not doing anything to begin with, other than simply being New, and being scared to use the block button to its full capacity. I have a lot of compassion for that, and for New models in that situation.

On top of that models of color get harassed and singled out by racists, I would imagine on a shiftly basis. None of that is going to be good for anyone's mental health, and overall attitude towards their work. You have pointed out that this model has used a term that you and many others don't like, in a context you named derogatory. I am pointing out the likely reasons, in an effort to foster some understanding and compassion. It's one thing to feel that you understand this in "theory", it's another to be a model and to have lived through it.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Although there's an element of that, at times, I don't want to victim blame. It's a fact, that there is a whole subset of "Members" out there, who purely go after models with the 'New' tag on sites, to take advantage and manipulate them. Because that subset of "Members" knows it's easier, and that new models are more likely to be naive and easier to trick and rip off. That's a fact.

Yes, there is also an element of many New models then feeding into it, on top of that, and letting it affect their overall demeanor. Thus causing an even worse severe downward spiral, but no they are not doing anything to begin with, other than simply being New, and being scared to use the block button to its full capacity. I have a lot of compassion for that, and for New models in that situation.

On top of that models of color get harassed and singled out by racists, I would imagine on a shiftly basis. None of that is going to be good for anyone's mental health, and overall attitude towards their work. You have pointed out that this model has used a term that you and many others don't like, in a context you named derogatory. I am pointing out the likely reasons, in an effort to foster some understanding and compassion. It's one thing to feel that you understand this in "theory", it's another to be a model and to have lived through it.

While I think you took my statement out of context (you snipped all kinds of supporting statements after what you quoted) I do agreed, there are times where new models, models of various ethnic or other demographics get singled out and harassed. No denial there. While I can't speak from a model's perspective, I am speaking in a broader sense and from experience in a vanilla context as a bully is a bully regardless of if it's on a cam site, social media or in person.

This is not about victim blaming, nor is it about special circumstances. I am speaking very generically. There are multiple reasons why bullies pick on someone: skin colour, religion, lifestyles, looks, speech or physical impediments, being emotional, and countless other things. It could even be as small of a thing as using a green pencil instead of yellow. Regardless of the reason, bullies do this to get a certain level of control by making their target feel bad and react in some way which then elevates the bully (in their own eyes).

While someone cannot control when/if/how a bully will decide to initiate a personal attack. What they can control is how they react to it. The more animated the response, the more a bully will continue to do it and push. Time and time again. If one either doesn't give a response by ignoring it, or by giving a response that pretty much flattens and negates it then the bully usually moves on. But, in many cases they do try a couple of times to see if they can get a response.

This is what I was referring to by what are the models doing when they encounter these kinds of visitors. Are they ignoring it? Are they deescalating and nullifying them? Shit talking or giving some kind of very animated/emotional response. Again, the bigger the response, the more the bullies push and they will come back and do it over and over again. The only way out of this endless cycle is to completely avoid it, or stand up to the by showing they have no power over you.

Anyway, I'm done.

 

[MarieElise]

While I think you took my statement out of context (you snipped all kinds of supporting statements after what you quoted) I do agreed, there are times where new models, models of various ethnic or other demographics get singled out and harassed. No denial there. While I can't speak from a model's perspective, I am speaking in a broader sense and from experience in a vanilla context as a bully is a bully regardless of if it's on a cam site, social media or in person.

This is not about victim blaming, nor is it about special circumstances. I am speaking very generically. There are multiple reasons why bullies pick on someone: skin colour, religion, lifestyles, looks, speech or physical impediments, being emotional, and countless other things. It could even be as small of a thing as using a green pencil instead of yellow. Regardless of the reason, bullies do this to get a certain level of control by making their target feel bad and react in some way which then elevates the bully (in their own eyes).

While someone cannot control when/if/how a bully will decide to initiate a personal attack. What they can control is how they react to it. The more animated the response, the more a bully will continue to do it and push. Time and time again. If one either doesn't give a response by ignoring it, or by giving a response that pretty much flattens and negates it then the bully usually moves on. But, in many cases they do try a couple of times to see if they can get a response.

This is what I was referring to by what are the models doing when they encounter these kinds of visitors. Are they ignoring it? Are they deescalating and nullifying them? Shit talking or giving some kind of very animated/emotional response. Again, the bigger the response, the more the bullies push and they will come back and do it over and over again. The only way out of this endless cycle is to completely avoid it, or stand up to the by showing they have no power over you.

Anyway, I'm done.

I apologize if I took that part out of context.
I think that we both have the same ultimate goal here, in that we want trolls to leave Sikayoujo alone, and stop wasting her time with bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

I apologize if I took that part out of context.
I think that we both have the same ultimate goal here, in that we want trolls to leave Sikayoujo alone, and stop wasting her time with bullshit.

It happens, no worries. It'd be nice to see her and others be left alone to work as they see fit. Though, I am still curious about her reasons for using the word John.

 

[Thatslut2712]

one that is really getting to me this week is “ where do you live” I have a fake U.K. location on my profile and they still wanna know more. I’m now telling them I live on the moon and closing then conversation at that once it’s asked.
One asked so many bloody questions in the space of 3 miniutes I had to ban him it’s a wonder he didn’t ask for my blood type. I’m here to have fun get naked and have a laugh not give out personal information hahaha

 

[CheeseMoon]

one that is really getting to me this week is “ where do you live”

I wish I had a dollar every time someone asks a model that in public chat However, using a fake location can have unintended consequences. A model I used to hang out with (a lot) listed Sweden as her fake location, but she eventually became tired of all the Swedish gobbledygook messages in the public chat. Some even started calling her out on her cam room "not looking Swedish"

 

[Carmen_Monroe]

„Originally, I wanted you to put toothpaste on a cotton swab and then slide it into your urethra.Do you dare? “



Yeah for sure. I‘m risking my health and doing something that might really hurts just so you can cum.

Sometimes I'm really shocked at the sick ideas these guys get. They really don't give a shit whether we can damage our health with such things.

 

[silentm0de]

„Originally, I wanted you to put toothpaste on a cotton swab and then slide it into your urethra.Do you dare? “

And I feel like a total perv and need ten minutes to gather up the courage to ask models to spread their labia a little more. I need a change of perspective.

 

[Carmen_Monroe]

Can someone explain to me , what this guy wants?

Guy: Hey and wow, look for the very special lady here to implement my fantasy. Do you do livepics with desired poses according to instructions and do you even masturbate together with me? If so, I would like to take many pics every day and for a few weeks

Me: Hi, what fantasy is it about? otherwise I like to take photos live and masturbate too!

Guy:That's the fantasy, live. But I can't take it from you yet


Although I bet that he's one of those guys again who asks for a free “preview” to see if I'm really “worth it”
His profile says "I like to show sugar daddy qualities in real life, because of the charm and decency"

I always get suspicious of something like that. These alleged „sugar daddies“ are mostly just freeloaders.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

„Originally, I wanted you to put toothpaste on a cotton swab and then slide it into your urethra.Do you dare? “



Yeah for sure. I‘m risking my health and doing something that might really hurts just so you can cum.

Sometimes I'm really shocked at the sick ideas these guys get. They really don't give a shit whether we can damage our health with such things.

There's a model I've seen do the urethra play thing. But, she's using medical grade equipment. A friend of mine has stated that she does this type of play and stimulation as well, even with her husband. Personally, I can't imagine sticking anything up there, no matter how clean..

 

[sikayoujo]

What's making me some wtf right now is why y'all feel like y'all need to know why about everything. I use the word "Johns" as a traditional (and I'll accept "outdated") sex worker to client term. It's not that deep. Calm down. ​

 

[yummybrownfox]

The guy on ManyVids Live telling me "Eat your boobs."