Trump has banned Transgender people from the military

[heybarkeep]

angry white man

I mean, you did kinda almost ragequit to models only after getting a few facepalms and a person not agreeing with you. Seems pretty angry.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

There have been many studies on the fact that marginalized people possess more empathy and interpersonal skills.

Do you have a link for any of them? I love to read.

I have literally zero clue why me saying "hey let's not refer to people in vaguely offensive terms" got everyone all riled up.

That is a little hypocritical. What you said in your tweet was potentially far more offensive than any indiscretion by @MiaCrash. Yet you are willing to give your "angry ranting tweets" an air of nobility under the guise of fighting oppression, while calling her out for her offense (which you were correct to describe as "nitpicky", especially in light of the much more serious issue she raised).

And your tweet wasn't against humankind; it was directed specifically at cishet whites. Which is exactly what Trump wanted you to do. Alas! If only there was someone who could teach you about non-offensive speech!

Here is a picture of all the smug buttholes who like to talk about "support our president!" and their joined at the hip fools who want to start lashing out like you did....



Ya'll are that shit that is drifting left to right across the screen.

 

[Teagan]

This is all I see while reading the last 2 pages now.

 

[AudriTwo]

i love when politically social threads turn into virtue signalling and checkmate atheists.

 

[EspiKvlt]

Yeah, it sucks. Every person should be allowed to participate in crimes against humanity and transgenders deserve the right to slaughter innocent arab children, too. Hillary would approve.

"small brain: trans folks should be in the military
bigger brain: the military is imperialist and nobody should be in it
cosmic brain: its not about the military, it's holding trans people out as a red flag to the fascist bulls just waiting for more justification to do violence to us
cosmic-er brain: trans ppl must unite to destroy the nation and the military"

Saw a bunch of posts like this online the day this happened, but all have the same point: This goes a lot deeper than just the military.

 

[TeganTrex]

-walks into thread-

-sees thread-

-walks out-

Spoiler: But in all seriousness

is it just impossible to have a goddamn rational discourse about this stuff?
I mean, of course it is. That's why I don't come out of models only that often.

 

[Bocefish]

Throwing out the sex reassignment costs since after the state of Walter Reed they might just have rats gnawing off the giblets and calling that good. Veteran health care and housing isn't something I'd wish on anyone I like.

The man started with a good point. You're taking people in their physical prime of life, with around a HS education and limited experience of the world and throwing them together. They're young, fit, horny as bunnies and while they enjoy sex they've been thinking about other things as they sign up. They're not as sexually enlightened as readers here.

While the military has been useful in introducing races to each other in a way that profited those who came home, that's not its mission. The armed forces kill people and break things - anything that distracts from that gets more of ours killed. It's all very sad when people die, but we want our war machine to work better than theirs.

That we're still debating bathrooms is proof enough that this shouldn't be a combat distraction.

Well said. The military isn't meant to be another form of social welfare in order to pay for gender reassignment surgeries. However, I do see both sides of the argument having varying degrees of validity. This may be another SCOTUS decision before all is said and done.

As it is, the military is just beginning to scratch the surface on handling the myriad of sexual assaults.

 

[JickyJuly]

I've been reading, and I'm sort of thinking that this whole thing is a roundabout way to add women to the draft. Is anyone else sensing that? If it goes to the SCOTUS as @Bocefish mentioned, selective service and only men being drafted is bound to come up (according to what I've read anyway). The same GOP Senators who rally against women in the name of values and traditional female roles can't openly try to draft the fairer sex. They can, however, rail against the transgendered and then leverage allowing trans soldiers to serve only if all genders are equally bound to conscription. I mean, Trump is stupid. But, he's not that stupid. If he was really just going off the rails, they'd take Twitter away from him. There's got to be a goal post somewhere.

 

[Bocefish]

I believe that rejecting a group of people from the military causes significantly more problems than what it might solve. You are isolating a group of people and saying that cannot serve for their country, that is not dissimilar to telling the group that they now cannot vote. You are putting them outside of society, shunning them from a place where everyone else is able to enter. If they have a dream growing up of fighting for their country but also happen to be trans, they now cannot live out their dream. By doing this it says that transphobia is ok. It confirms that trans people are "less than" everyone else and not worthy of the same rights. You segregate that group.

Being flat footed could be a reason people could not join the military.

Is that isolating or shunning them?

If they have a dream growing up of fighting for their country but also happen to be trans, they now cannot live out their dream.

Seriously?

If you had any sort of clue how many people lie to enlist, being trans is in the lowest percentile.

 

[EllieGeorge]

You can't join if you have an abnormal PAP smear, so I wasn't really shocked.The military already discriminates on a lot of medical and social shit. If you got your dick cut off at some point you can't join.
http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html

i still believe its bullshit and if someone who is able bodied and wants to serve, should. i also call bullshit on the costs. The medical budget is around 50 billion. It is estimated 2-8 million would be needed for trans-related services. https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ervice-members-would-be-minimal-studies-show/

Abnormal Pap smear graded LGSIL or higher severity, or any smear in which the descriptive terms carcinoma-in-situ, invasive cancer, condyloma acuminatum, human papilloma virus, or dysplasia are used.

Also a lot of medical and social shit they let slide depending on the severity.

I served in the Army

 

[EllieGeorge]

Being prior military, I support his decision.

There are way too many sexual identities than the military can deal with.

Not to mention people joining solely to have their surgeries paid for.

What would you do Guy?

Being prior military, I don't support his decision.

 

[Bocefish]

Being trans is not a "sexual identity". And literally no one is going to do that. Regardless, the military currently spends 5x more on Viagra than the projected costs of providing care to trans soldiers. This isn't about money, it's all part of this government's attempts to isolate trans people from society. Just like all of those bathroom bills.

Which college are you currently attending?

 

[ramblin]

I've been reading, and I'm sort of thinking that this whole thing is a roundabout way to add women to the draft.

I don't see the throughline to that, but I'd support the idea. If some folks must be forced to serve in dire circumstances, and we aim to treat all genders, orientations, identities, etc equally (which I support, though this decision / twitter rant obviously does not) then it follows that all folks must be among those who must serve in those circumstances.

edit: TBQH, and this is strange to say as a serious pacificist, I'm all in favor of universal conscription, especially with civic options. That might even be the 3rd thing I couldn't think of in the americans thread.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Being flat footed could be a reason people could not join the military.

Is that isolating or shunning them?



Seriously?

If you had any sort of clue how many people lie to enlist, being trans is in the lowest percentile.

Firstly, there is a VERY big difference if there is a medical/physical reason for someone not being able to join the military because they wouldn't be physically up to the task and openly refusing to accept a certain group of people based on prejudice.

And secondly, I have no idea what relevance your second comment has to what I said, I didn't mention anything about lying to enlist, I said that if a trans person grew up wanting to join the military but became trans as an adult, they should still be able to live out their dream. Sure there are sometimes biological reasons people can't do certain things, like if you have poor eyesight you cannot become a pilot. But there is no physical reason a trans person cannot be in the military so let's not pretend that this is what the ban is about.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

I've been reading, and I'm sort of thinking that this whole thing is a roundabout way to add women to the draft. Is anyone else sensing that? If it goes to the SCOTUS as @Bocefish mentioned, selective service and only men being drafted is bound to come up (according to what I've read anyway). The same GOP Senators who rally against women in the name of values and traditional female roles can't openly try to draft the fairer sex. They can, however, rail against the transgendered and then leverage allowing trans soldiers to serve only if all genders are equally bound to conscription. I mean, Trump is stupid. But, he's not that stupid. If he was really just going off the rails, they'd take Twitter away from him. There's got to be a goal post somewhere.

With the push that there was to add women to all roles of the military, including combat, I think there should be no exception. If someone is physically capable of joining the military, then they should be draft eligible. People wanted equality to do certain jobs in the military because they felt they were being excluded and prevents from doing something. Well, guess what, welcome to the shit. "Equality" comes with an ugly side that few seem to think about.

 

[Teagan]

I don't know anyone who hasn't thought about women being drafted too. There's no reason for them not to be either. Every actual feminist (not those claiming to be, or those trying to destroy the movement because they hate it) is for equally being drafted. That's not an actual downside or ugly side of equality - it's just equality.

 

[Gen]

I don't know anyone who hasn't thought about women being drafted too. There's no reason for them not to be either. Every actual feminist (not those claiming to be, or those trying to destroy the movement because they hate it) is for equally being drafted. That's not an actual downside or ugly side of equality - it's just equality.

Yeah, it's always trotted out like "oh yeah you want equality well BOOM the draft, how do you like that" as if it's a trump card (no pun intended) that will knock over a house of cards. The feminists I know are typically pacifists and don't think anyone should be drafted, but also don't think women should be an exception if a draft is to come. I think it's a strawman (sorry, strawperson), especially in this discussion where nobody has said women shouldn't be drafted.

 

[Teagan]

Yeah, it's always trotted out like "oh yeah you want equality well BOOM the draft, how do you like that" as if it's a trump card (no pun intended) that will knock over a house of cards. The feminists I know are typically pacifists and don't think anyone should be drafted, but also don't think women should be an exception if a draft is to come. I think it's a strawman (sorry, strawperson), especially in this discussion where nobody has said women shouldn't be drafted.

They're like "HAHHA Gotcha"....but not really. Then they try to pull out something from someone who isn't even a feminist as proof of such and that fails too. Then they try to go on about women who want to be homemakers and some other bullshit. Like, yeah, and? The point is choice. Equality. That includes women who want to choose to be SAHMs or homemakers. The point is it not being forced on them. It also applies to men who want to be SAHDs and homemakers too. They should have that choice. Not be forced into otherwise. It's all very simple really but people are really trying right now to take down the feminist label and movement and taint it and make it into something extreme/bad/etc and only weak minded lazy people are falling for it. Man haters aren't feminists. Those not for equality in everything aren't either. Sorry to burst that bubble. Not really though lol. Everyone should be eligible for the draft. Everyone should be able to join the military freely, barring medical reasons. That includes the LGBT community. And being part of that community is not some medical condition that should disqualify you.

 

[JickyJuly]

I believe in equality. I don't believe in the draft for anyone. Drafting doesn't target men equally either. So, the equality argument is a little misleading.

I don't see the throughline to that

If the SCOTUS had to look at the trans ban, those supporting it would offer up precedent to support their case. They could argue that Rostker v Goldberg, which upheld the military's right to draft only men, opens the door for banning based on gender identity. Then, they have a window to throw out drafting only men and blame the drafting of women folk on the liberals, feminists and men in dresses. Boom. More peasants for the war machine. Bonus, they can rile up the GOP base not just with the idea of dead babies anymore but with the idea of beautiful, fragile young women sent into war without a choice.

 

[heybarkeep]

They're like "HAHHA Gotcha"....but not really. Then they try to pull out something from someone who isn't even a feminist

Feminists as a whole finally came together and decided what constitutes being a feminist and what it entails? Awesome news. Can't wait to see what yall can accomplish in the next few decades. I wish you good luck on your journey now that it has begun.

lol sorry

 

[AudriTwo]

That we're still debating bathrooms is proof enough that this shouldn't be a combat distraction.

But why does it have to be distraction? Because worrying whether or not the person in the next stall may be trans is silly. This seems like if a person has a problem with a trans person, that is on them and they need to get over it. It's only complicated if you make it be. The world is filled with distractions, it's how you respond to it.

Here is a food for thought, what about people who joined, but had no idea they really were trans atm and 15 years after they decide to transition? Do they lose out on all benefits? What about people who have fully transitioned before joining and are healthy mentally and physically able. While I agree transitioning during basic training or deployment is probably not the best time, would people with the slightest hint of gender dysphoria will be bared? Some people don't transition. SOME PEOPLE GO BACK.

I do have a friend and know trans folk who originally joined for financial help for HRT. My friend has become 100% committed to the army and they are his life. He has spent ten years . His service recently ran out, and he was hoping to finish his transition before reenlisting. Now, I have no idea what he plans on doing. But who doesn't join the military for free schooling, healthcare for their family, traveling opportunities, structure, financial security, ect? If someone served our country, I want my tax dollars go making their life as comfortable as needed. That means everyone gets the medical help they need to function as member of society. Happy healthy citizens make a better society.

 

[Teagan]

Feminists as a whole finally came together and decided what constitutes being a feminist and what it entails? Awesome news. Can't wait to see what yall can accomplish in the next few decades. I wish you good luck on your journey now that it has begun.

lol sorry

I give that a C for execution, an F for originality, and a D for effort. Not your best work there.

My point stands though:

It's all very simple really but people are really trying right now to take down the feminist label and movement and taint it and make it into something extreme/bad/etc and only weak minded lazy people are falling for it.

 

[heybarkeep]

I give that a C for execution, an F for originality, and a D for effort. Not your best work there.

My point stands though:

Ah, so those in the movement that don't adhere to how you see it are tainting it and making it look bad. I feel I've been lied to. Thought you said you guys finally came to an agreement. So all the feminists that do nothing to promote equally, unfairly hate others, and are mostly privileged American white girls yelling at others to check their privilege, are totally making the group look bad. I get it now, thanks.

 

[AudriTwo]

Ah, so those in the movement that don't adhere to how you see it are tainting it and making it look bad. I feel I've been lied to. Thought you said you guys finally came to an agreement. So all the feminists that do nothing to promote equally, unfairly hate others, and are mostly privileged American white girls yelling at others to check their privilege, are totally making the group look bad. I get it now, thanks.

did feminism dishonor your family or something? you are making poor generalizations.

regardless there are assholes who think they are doing good but they're just being an asshole. no one can be a blatant asshole like you, edgelord.

 

[Teagan]

That round is just Fs all around man. I feel like you're not even trying anymore.

You can attempt all you want to rile me up but plain and simply...you can't. You can keep going on talking crap, making up shit, ignoring facts, and trolling all day long, if that's how you care to spend your time. My feathers aren't ruffled by sad troll attempts. You can attempt to knock feminism down, ignore what it really means, pretend it hasn't been being attacked, and go on and all all you want till you're blue in the face. You can even troll the ratings here if that's what it takes for you to get hard. At the end of all of it you still don't matter to me. I see through you, and your attempts here. Have for months. You're transparent though. Like a ghost. I can see right though you.

 

[heybarkeep]

Yall are angry 24/7. Also always taking everything way too personal.

Thank you for the chill pill @AudriTwo. Took some uppers earlier to make doing some yard work even more fun, and yes, yard work is fun in it of itself, and that will level me out later and ensure a proper nights rest is had.

@Teagan You seem angry and unfun. Dick jokes, classy. And yeah, button mashing sure does it for me. I can see why you and the other insecure girls are constantly doing it whenever a world view is challenged.

 

[AmberCutie]

Stop fighting and stick to the topic ya goobers. Recess is over, get off the playground.

 

[Teagan]

Yawn. The even sadder part is you think you are in any way challenging to begin with. Or that you think anyone takes what you say seriously let alone personally. Angry? Nah man. Just bored. And it wasn't a dick joke. I was serious. The facts remain of the only insecure threatened one here is you. You just don;t like that everyone can see it so clearly now.

 

[Teagan]

Stop fighting and stick to the topic ya goobers. Recess is over, get off the playground.

Ooops sorry. I'll stop. This didn't pop up till after I replied.

 

[heybarkeep]

Yeah, sorry. Was dumb. And as I type that, I receive alerts for turds from Teagan, lmao classic. Sorry to you as well Teagan if what I said really upset you, it isn't that serious.