TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids leak

[bawksy]

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PS Btw, false rape accusations actually happen far less than the public likes to think.

Citation, please.

Why put yourself through public ridicule, a painful physical exam and a trial to punish someone for something that didn't even happen?

Haven't you ever seen Wild Things or The Crush? Yes, they're both movies, but the latter was based on a true story. How about the Duke lacrosse situation?

To answer your question, there are many reasons to falsely claim rape. Revenge, lawsuit money, or just being batshit crazy.

Rape is a real thing, but false rape is very real too.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

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Whether the sex act itself is rape or not, one facet of these situations strikes me, in that it NEVER seems to be discussed; she obviously didn't consent to have those images posted. So, even if she was of sound mind and she did allow for the dude to let his fingers do the walking, a clear violation has taken place. I can imagine that this sort of violation is pretty damaging to a person, both publicly and privately. To act like she's the awful person for reacting the way she has, to me, is also ridiculous. The guy who snapped these pics and posted them is a genuine fuckbag, and his part in this shouldn't be ignored.

The rape aside for this comment. I don't think the pictures being posted would be a violation. Under NORMAL circumstances if you're on a public street having a sexual encounter, ten guys watch you and you not only see a camera but look straight at it, then your reasonable expectation of privacy is out the window. People post pictures of other people out in public all the time, there's no problem with that.
You only have a reasonable expectation of privacy in ... a place of privacy.

Again, that is supposing the rape issue were not on the table for this comment.

This also kind of assumes that she was sober or coherent though, right? And even if she was, I mean you're generally supposed to get a consent for when you film anything, especially if you intend to distribute it. If I was to film a sex-video with my roommate and he knew I did, but never got him to sign his consent I could get in trouble for distributing it. It's the distribution, not the possession. It's kind of like the "MyExGirlfriend" sites, some states it's illegal to post things there, and many of the subjects of those pictures and videos have consented to the recording, but they didn't consent to the distribution. I think this kind of thing falls under defamation of character.

No.
Again, this is putting the rape aside. The way laws are written a person may take a photo of anyone out in public. If they do not plan on using the image commercially they do not have to have your permission for anything. You have zero privacy out in public.

If it is for commercial use then a release is needed only because a publisher requires it. So the picture is worthless normally. The exception is news, famous people. That sort of thing will be published regardless.

In the case of your boyfriend, yes. But that's a different situation entirely. He does have right to privacy in a bedroom having sex. Even if someone were out on the street and filmed inside the window? Then he still would have an expectation of privacy. But if he moved his bed to the sidewalk and started having sex? Zilch. In fact in that situation a photographer may not even need permission for commercial use. Since sex on a public street is against the law that could be considered newsworthy and it could be sold to news agencies with no release signed.

As far as being drunk or not being able to give consent for the photo, doesn't matter. Not even an issue in fact since you have no right to privacy on a public street to begin with. There's no consent needed even if you were sober. If you didn't want to be photographed you shouldn't have gone outside.

I'm not saying this to be mean, this is the way the laws are written. Think about it. People have been suing to get traffic cameras removed since they were created. No success because you are in public, the police can take all the pictures they like. Same at gun shows. A county sheriff can show up and take photos of the entire crowd on the off chance someone might try to buy a gun that isn't allowed. That treats everyone there as a suspect in my opinion. But tough noogies. If you didn't want recorded don't go there. As long as he's got permission from them land's owner to film that's all he needs. You have zero rights to not be filmed in public.

 

[candyblues_mfc]

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Sigh.

False rape accusations suck I get it, its RUINS peoples lives, tears apart families etc. Its shitty.

Rape is really shitty.

Articles and stories like this just discourage victims from coming forward which is sad, it also plays back that boring tune of the "rape is something you can stop from happening"...."she was drunk,do we blame her or him" lalala etc. etc.

"Rape face" too far, theres no "real" face for anything, everyone looks mildly different when expressing emotions. I giggle and twist my hair when Im nervous and anxious....if someone saw me doing that with a guy at a bar who later raped me would they say I had been "flirting" with him....if I burst into giggles or smiled whilst being raped does that mean Im enjoying it. Fuck that.


On another note, if I woke up and saw pics of me on facebook like that I would firstly question my life choices and the amount of alcohol I was drinking, then I would find the guy who did it and kick him in the ballsA

All the "witnesses" stated that she seemed to be giving consent...right....that seems fine....Im sure if 10 people were watching that scene they cant be wrong right?
Well how sober where THEY? I cant be the only person on here that has seen very drunk girls alone in compromising situations with men telling you "shes fineeeee", later to intrefere and find out she doesn't know where she is, let alone who those men were!

The alcohol thing its complicated but as humans we ALL have the responsibility to look after OURSELVES and OTHERS.

This means no...we probably shouldn't drink a whole bottle of vodka and leave a party in a dodgy end of town by ourselves at 4am at night because we can....it also means we DEFFO shouldn't rape someone we see walking home alone at night inebriated.

The decisions to RAPE someone, to force yourself on someone, to trespass someones own body is intrinsically WRONG there is NEVER a time when rape is the right thing to do (duh).
People who rape when their drunk are evil, People who rape when on drugs are evil, because people who rape are evil. People who go out and get drunk are human, people who go out and get drunk and force them selves on girls and molest people in clubs are also evil.
t I believe a rapist is a certain kind of person...who will commit that act. They are in the wrong...FORVER.

If I forget to close a window one night at home and someone comes in and steals my TV is that my fault? Well you could say "She should have closed the window, everyone knows to be careful like that!" Ok, your right...I should have closed my window...but it was hot....I didn't want to...I like the breeze...o and I should be FREE to live without fear. Would you blame me for having my TV stolen, would you have told me I had given consent to someone to walk into my house and steal it? But she didn't wake up....she didn't say no?! Ahhhh then she DEFIANTLY wanted to you steal that TV!!!! She must have known living in "that" part of town with a tv like "that" it would get stolen....I mean look...you can see her TV from the window...she basically WANTS you to steal it...she totally wants you take it....shes BASICALLY giving it to you .

Would that stand up in court....um.....LIKE HELL IT WOULDN'T...why?????...because STEALING is wrong....it doesn't matter the situation under which you do it...it is morally incorrect.

Now replace that story with a women getting raped. No its not your fault if she was wearing a short skirt, no its not your fault if you were walking down a dark road, not its not your fault if you trusted someone and they betrayed it, no its not your fault if you couldn't say no because you were shaking in fear , no its not your fault if you couldn't fight him off or you couldn't even try. IT IS NEVER YOUR "FAULT" if you get raped. Its the RAPISTS fault for making that conscious decisions. The concious descion to take away your choice to consent and your right to say NO.

So until we have as many men getting harmed by womens "false rape" accustation's, until we have as many men bearing children from their rapists (or having adoptions abortions) until women worldwide STOP getting raped (and children and men) UNTIL that happens lets all get on the side of the VICTIMS and lets try and create a world where RAPE IS ALWAYS WRONG.

Last thing, my anger is mainly aimed at the environment within in the media that feeds the whole victim blaming culture and the fact so many people like to jump to "SHES LYINGGGG" and less to do with this particular case involved.

:angelic-green: If you read all that welldone...

 

[mynameisbob84]

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So until we have as many men getting harmed by womens "false rape" accustation's, until we have as many men bearing children from their rapists (or having adoptions abortions) until women worldwide STOP getting raped (and children and men) UNTIL that happens lets all get on the side of the VICTIMS and lets try and create a world where RAPE IS ALWAYS WRONG.

The inherent problem with this is that we can't assume the accused are guilty until proven innocent (in any situation, not just rape) because it sets such a dangerous precedent. This is (one of the reasons) rape is so shitty. The law can't automatically side with the victim. They have to look at all the surrounding evidence before they can pass judgement. And sadly, it's incredibly hard to prove you were raped. Just as it's incredibly hard to prove you didn't rape someone once you've been accused. Which is (one of the reasons) false rape claims are so shitty.

And alcohol just muddies an already impossibly difficult process. If a girl is inebriated when she consents to sex but later regrets it, was it rape? What if both parties were equally drunk and regretted the ecounter equally? Were they both raped? What if a drunk guy hits on a girl who he wouldn't have hit on had he been sober, and they wind up sleeping together? Is that rape?

There's nowhere near enough evidence in the video/picture in this post to prove anyone's guilt/innocence. We don't know who consented to what, who instigated what, who was drunk and how drunk they were, who was sober, who was of sound mind...

 

[bud9752]

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while the video and pictures posted don't show an actual penetration style rape, what happened after this incident out of view of other people doesn't dismiss that she was raped later in the evening/early morning. early judgement by speculators of what actually happened and personal opinions by non-involved individuals is premature. Let the Law enforcement complete an investigation and both sides of the incident reported truthfully before anyone injects their personal opinions or prejudices into the story.

 

[SexySteph]

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PS Btw, false rape accusations actually happen far less than the public likes to think.

Citation, please.

Why put yourself through public ridicule, a painful physical exam and a trial to punish someone for something that didn't even happen?

Haven't you ever seen Wild Things or The Crush? Yes, they're both movies, but the latter was based on a true story. How about the Duke lacrosse situation?

To answer your question, there are many reasons to falsely claim rape. Revenge, lawsuit money, or just being batshit crazy.

Rape is a real thing, but false rape is very real too.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/1996/96sec2.pdf

The FBI stated that 2% of all rape allegations are unsubstantiated. But they also pointed out that unsubstantiated doesn't necessarily mean false.

 

[Bocefish]

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The FBI stated that 2% of all rape allegations are unsubstantiated. But they also pointed out that unsubstantiated doesn't necessarily mean false.

FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%.[14]
However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with false allegation. Bruce Gross of the Forensic Examiner says that:

This statistic is almost meaningless, as many of the jurisdictions from which the FBI collects data on crime use different definitions of, or criteria for, "unfounded." That is, a report of rape might be classified as unfounded (rather than as forcible rape) if the alleged victim did not try to fight off the suspect, if the alleged perpetrator did not use physical force or a weapon of some sort, if the alleged victim did not sustain any physical injuries, or if the alleged victim and the accused had a prior sexual relationship. Similarly, a report might be deemed unfounded if there is no physical evidence or too many inconsistencies between the accuser's statement and what evidence does exist. As such, although some unfounded cases of rape may be false or fabricated, not all unfounded cases are false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

 

[SexySteph]

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The FBI stated that 2% of all rape allegations are unsubstantiated. But they also pointed out that unsubstantiated doesn't necessarily mean false.

FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%.[14]
However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with false allegation. Bruce Gross of the Forensic Examiner says that:

This statistic is almost meaningless, as many of the jurisdictions from which the FBI collects data on crime use different definitions of, or criteria for, "unfounded." That is, a report of rape might be classified as unfounded (rather than as forcible rape) if the alleged victim did not try to fight off the suspect, if the alleged perpetrator did not use physical force or a weapon of some sort, if the alleged victim did not sustain any physical injuries, or if the alleged victim and the accused had a prior sexual relationship. Similarly, a report might be deemed unfounded if there is no physical evidence or too many inconsistencies between the accuser's statement and what evidence does exist. As such, although some unfounded cases of rape may be false or fabricated, not all unfounded cases are false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

So the evidence you're showing actually suggest that it may be less than 8% because some states consider it an unfounded accusation if you didn't fight back hard enough or if your rapist had a previous relationship with you or you sustained no visible injuries, yet were probably still raped. Right?

And either way, my point remains the same. The actual amount of false allegations is smaller than the general public assumes. Considering the fact that it seems like every time someone is raped and there is a news story about it, someone comes on here and posts a thread about how it's probably a lie I'd say the general public believes false allegations to happen far more than 2%-8% of the time. What I generally hear from people is 50% of "rapes" are a lie, so yes, the general public assumes false allegations account for higher percent of rapes cases than they really do.

 

[Bocefish]

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Percentage studies run the gamut because the exact definition of "rape" differs from state-to-state within the U.S. and by country internationally.

Ohio's: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.02

 

[SexySteph]

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Percentage studies run the gamut because the exact definition of "rape" differs from state-to-state within the U.S. and by country internationally.

Ohio's: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.02

Does the beginning of that code basically just say that all that is rape UNLESS it is your spouse (as long as your spouse lives with you)? :shock:

 

[Bocefish]

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Percentage studies run the gamut because the exact definition of "rape" differs from state-to-state within the U.S. and by country internationally.

Ohio's: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.02

Does the beginning of that code basically just say that all that is rape UNLESS it is your spouse (as long as your spouse lives with you)? :shock:

I thought the same thing, but at the bottom it states:

(G) It is not a defense to a charge under division (A)(2) of this section that the offender and the victim were married or were cohabiting at the time of the commission of the offense.

 

[SexySteph]

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Percentage studies run the gamut because the exact definition of "rape" differs from state-to-state within the U.S. and by country internationally.

Ohio's: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.02

Does the beginning of that code basically just say that all that is rape UNLESS it is your spouse (as long as your spouse lives with you)? :shock:

I thought the same thing, but at the bottom it states:

(G) It is not a defense to a charge under division (A)(2) of this section that the offender and the victim were married or were cohabiting at the time of the commission of the offense.

Oh thank god. I was thinking that maybe in Ohio wives were still property and required to dispense sex whenever or something. lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who misunderstood. lol

 

[JickyJuly]

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Asking for numbers and percentages based on rape, or trying to come up with them, is pointless. Many, many people are not going to say they've been raped. Hell, some probably don't even understand that they've been raped. Until saying "I raped someone." is as humiliating and strife filled as saying "I was raped.", our country will not get a handle on rape or false accusations. Also, this thread is shit. Bawksy you need some new material. Your schtick is old.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

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If we are concerned with how many rape accusations are falsified, SURELY we can also consider how many rapes are never reported at all. I'm sorry, but while I do understand that false accusations are terrible and can ruin lives and that's an awful situation, they in no way out-number actual rapes and there is absolutely no reason that anyone should immediately assume that someone who comes forward claiming they were raped is lying. It's statistically highly unlikely, and IMHO really just goes to show so much that's wrong with society... Because we have been shown over and over again that the allegation will be met with disbelief, it's somehow the victim's fault, etc.

The bottom line is, there's no reason to jump to the conclusion that this particular woman is LYING. Especially based on the little amount of information actually offered in the video/article.

***edit: Ahhh, what Jicky said.***

 

[LadyLuna]

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Considering the fact that it seems like every time someone is raped and there is a news story about it, someone comes on here and posts a thread about how it's probably a lie I'd say the general public believes false allegations to happen far more than 2%-8% of the time. What I generally hear from people is 50% of "rapes" are a lie, so yes, the general public assumes false allegations account for higher percent of rapes cases than they really do.

Are we saying "it's probably a lie" or are we saying "it's too early to crucify him"? There's a HUGE difference. The first is saying that she's a liar, no benefit of the doubt for her. The second is saying we need to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The point of "innocent until proven guilty" is to avoid punishing someone for doing nothing wrong. Let me give you an example. A girl is walking through a store, and she pulls out her recently-bought chapstick and uses it. As she puts it away, she's accosted for having stolen the chapstick. She bought it, but she doesn't have a receipt on her, because she threw it away. She had just opened it yesterday, and only used it the once. Should they find her guilty? What if there's no cameras to prove that she was never near the chapstick display? And what if it turns out that there is indeed a stick of chapstick stolen? Lie detectors are unreliable, so she's in trouble. Except for this one little thing. She's not guilty until she's been proven guilty.

Why should it be different for someone who has been accused of rape, when it hasn't been proven he raped her?

The three biggest reasons I've heard of for women to lie about rape are:
-to get out of trouble for something else
-to get back at someone they happen to be mad at
-to get attention

When it comes to nearly anything sexual, we have this idea that the woman's say goes no matter what. Women get to decide to have a baby, even if the man doesn't want to. You say women are ridiculed when they say they were raped, have you ever seen what happens to a man when he does the same thing? Go look it up. As for the trial and everything being painful, if it's not bringing up a memory of a painful thing, how is it painful? The reason the trial is painful to rape victims is because they have to remember the rape in detail as the trial is going on. It's like a second rape. But if the rape never happened, then there's nothing for her to remember. No pain. Nothing but attention.

It is very true that there are all sorts of types of rapists. There are actually six types, and only one of them is the opportunist. This youtube video is a very good dissection of the matter. I think everyone in this thread should watch it. (I'd post it here, but the post is long enough, it's "Rape & Psychology: Examining the Facts" by DangerousAnalysis).

But no one here is saying "she had a miniskirt on". No, what we're saying is "he was just as drunk as she was." We're saying "her hand is pushing his head into her pussy". We're saying "she looked at the camera and gave it a thumbs up". Those last two are clear signs of consent. Yes, it's pretty shitty to go up to a drunk woman and proposition her. But what if a drunk woman approaches you, and is rubbing all up on your dick? What if your drunk boyfriend comes home, pulls of his pants, and starts undressing you? What if you're drunk, and you go home, strip naked, and start fondling him? Is he supposed to turn you down when you've tried five times to get him to take you to bed just because you're drunk? Would you turn him down when he's practically begging you for sex, just because he's drunk?

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As to how many are unreported... we don't know how many are really unreported. We really don't. You can't know that. And as for "not knowing you were raped". I'm sorry, but how can you avoid knowing it?

Someone tries to have sex with you. You say "no". They continue anyway. Seems pretty clear-cut to me.

You wake up with alcohol on your breath. you don't remember what happened the night before, but your pussy feels like you just had wild and crazy sex and you have no clue where you are. Kinda gonna suspect something there.

Shit, let's do this one:

-you don't remember most of last night, but you know there was a party in there somewhere. Go to the police, and tell them "I don't remember last night, can you make sure no one had sex with me without my knowledge?" They can test you for dna everywhere and find out on the spot.

 

[SexySteph]

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Considering the fact that it seems like every time someone is raped and there is a news story about it, someone comes on here and posts a thread about how it's probably a lie I'd say the general public believes false allegations to happen far more than 2%-8% of the time. What I generally hear from people is 50% of "rapes" are a lie, so yes, the general public assumes false allegations account for higher percent of rapes cases than they really do.

Are we saying "it's probably a lie" or are we saying "it's too early to crucify him"? There's a HUGE difference. The first is saying that she's a liar, no benefit of the doubt for her. The second is saying we need to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post but go re-read the first 3 posts. Bawksy flat out calls it a false accusation. That what this discussion is about,;immediately assuming that a victim is lying.

Also, in none of my posts did I specify gender. I may have used gendered pronouns for ease but I am a strong advocate for a culture in which it becomes more acceptable for men to report their rapes without abuse. I think most of theism that posted in this thread defending the girl feel the same way, too.

 

[JickyJuly]

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And as for "not knowing you were raped". I'm sorry, but how can you avoid knowing it?
Someone tries to have sex with you. You say "no". They continue anyway. Seems pretty clear-cut to me.

Self preservation, denial and confusion. Your brain is set to try to protect you, and in our culture, rape is seen as a failure on the part of the victim. Girls are taught be SMART don't get raped. Be STRONG don't get raped. Be VIRTUOUS don't get raped. So, to admit publicly that you've been victimized means you've not been those things. Our world acts as though once you've allowed yourself to be hurt that way, you're broken. Sex crimes leave the victim with as much of a stigma as the aggressor. Most women aren't going to sign up for that.

When I was raped, it was pretty violent. I was drunk as crap and woke up with some uninvited dude all up in my business. I got a no and some expletives out before he smashed the back of my head onto the tile floor. Every time I woke up, I was more injured. Eventually, I managed to choke and bite my way out of the situation. Obviously, this was a sex crime. I didn't call it that for YEARS. I said the fucker beat the shit out of me. I'm a fighter. I could cope with the idea that I'd lost a fight, clean up the wounds, and be fine. I could not handle the idea that the fight was over entrance to my vagina.

That's what's wrong with our culture. It keeps victims quiet. It makes rape more of a taboo than a straight up crime. It gives power to rapists and to the occasional girl who wants to ruin a dude. A different attitude about rape would fix problems on both sides.

 

[bawksy]

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I found a new extended video

http://motherless.com/0C680CE


Around the 55 second mark, she reaches down and pulls his head in tighter, almost as if she was loving every second of it.

 

[zippypinhead]

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Whether the sex act itself is rape or not, one facet of these situations strikes me, in that it NEVER seems to be discussed; she obviously didn't consent to have those images posted. So, even if she was of sound mind and she did allow for the dude to let his fingers do the walking, a clear violation has taken place. I can imagine that this sort of violation is pretty damaging to a person, both publicly and privately. To act like she's the awful person for reacting the way she has, to me, is also ridiculous. The guy who snapped these pics and posted them is a genuine fuckbag, and his part in this shouldn't be ignored.

The rape aside for this comment. I don't think the pictures being posted would be a violation. Under NORMAL circumstances if you're on a public street having a sexual encounter, ten guys watch you and you not only see a camera but look straight at it, then your reasonable expectation of privacy is out the window. People post pictures of other people out in public all the time, there's no problem with that.
You only have a reasonable expectation of privacy in ... a place of privacy.

Again, that is supposing the rape issue were not on the table for this comment.

This also kind of assumes that she was sober or coherent though, right? And even if she was, I mean you're generally supposed to get a consent for when you film anything, especially if you intend to distribute it. If I was to film a sex-video with my roommate and he knew I did, but never got him to sign his consent I could get in trouble for distributing it. It's the distribution, not the possession. It's kind of like the "MyExGirlfriend" sites, some states it's illegal to post things there, and many of the subjects of those pictures and videos have consented to the recording, but they didn't consent to the distribution. I think this kind of thing falls under defamation of character.

No.
Again, this is putting the rape aside. The way laws are written a person may take a photo of anyone out in public. If they do not plan on using the image commercially they do not have to have your permission for anything. You have zero privacy out in public.

If it is for commercial use then a release is needed only because a publisher requires it. So the picture is worthless normally. The exception is news, famous people. That sort of thing will be published regardless.

In the case of your boyfriend, yes. But that's a different situation entirely. He does have right to privacy in a bedroom having sex. Even if someone were out on the street and filmed inside the window? Then he still would have an expectation of privacy. But if he moved his bed to the sidewalk and started having sex? Zilch. In fact in that situation a photographer may not even need permission for commercial use. Since sex on a public street is against the law that could be considered newsworthy and it could be sold to news agencies with no release signed.

As far as being drunk or not being able to give consent for the photo, doesn't matter. Not even an issue in fact since you have no right to privacy on a public street to begin with. There's no consent needed even if you were sober. If you didn't want to be photographed you shouldn't have gone outside.

I'm not saying this to be mean, this is the way the laws are written. Think about it. People have been suing to get traffic cameras removed since they were created. No success because you are in public, the police can take all the pictures they like. Same at gun shows. A county sheriff can show up and take photos of the entire crowd on the off chance someone might try to buy a gun that isn't allowed. That treats everyone there as a suspect in my opinion. But tough noogies. If you didn't want recorded don't go there. As long as he's got permission from them land's owner to film that's all he needs. You have zero rights to not be filmed in public.

It may be legal, but it doesn't make it right. And in a state where everybody is walking around with a camera in their pocket at all times, this sort of thing continually leads to shitstorms. I may not have a reasonable expectation for privacy in a public place, but I still have the right to my likeness, and I still have the right to protect my good name. When people are casually filming whatever the hell they feel like and posting it online without a second thought, that poses a problem, especially when it's something that is clearly going to have a negative effect on the lives of other people. So, sorry, but just because you have the capability and you are legally allowed, that doesn't mean that you should. And if you do, then that is fuckbag behavior.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

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So what happens to the woman if it's proven to be a false accusation? How long of a prison sentence is fair? 20 years? Longer?

 

[SexySteph]

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So what happens to the woman if it's proven to be a false accusation? How long of a prison sentence is fair? 20 years? Longer?

I'd assume it is (and should be the same) as any other defamation of character or false accusation situation. I think on average it's about 3 years. In all honesty, being accused of being a rapist is probably less socially damaging than some other situations of defamation. I guess some might argue that it's worse but, this thread should be evidence, people normally jump to the alleged rapists defense rather than immediately condemn him. (I'm not saying an alleged rapist should be condemned without a conviction, I'm just saying that social condemnation is worst case scenario and it seems to not be the most common situation.)

 

[PunkInDrublic]

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In all honesty, being accused of being a rapist is probably less socially damaging than some other situations of defamation.

I don't know about that.

this thread should be evidence, people normally jump to the alleged rapists defense rather than immediately condemn him.

People usually condemn the alleged rapist even if all evidence points to him being innocent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lse-rape-allegations-ex-boyfriends-years.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/elizabeth-coast-rape-lie_n_3784718.html
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/woman-jailed-after-11-false-rape-claims.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...ootball-standout-exonerated-in-rape-case.html
Woman in the last article deserves at least 20 years in my opinion.

 

[SexySteph]

Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

In all honesty, being accused of being a rapist is probably less socially damaging than some other situations of defamation.

I don't know about that.

this thread should be evidence, people normally jump to the alleged rapists defense rather than immediately condemn him.

People usually condemn the alleged rapist even if all evidence points to him being innocent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lse-rape-allegations-ex-boyfriends-years.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/elizabeth-coast-rape-lie_n_3784718.html
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/woman-jailed-after-11-false-rape-claims.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...ootball-standout-exonerated-in-rape-case.html
Woman in the last article deserves at least 20 years in my opinion.

I was referring to cases that didn't lead to convictions, not situations that truly ruined these men's lives. In case of convictions it's entirely different. I thought we were discussing if she recanted, not if he was jailed and it came out years later.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

I was referring to cases that didn't lead to convictions, not situations that truly ruined these men's lives. In case of convictions it's entirely different.

Roger that.

I thought we were discussing if she recanted, not if he was jailed and it came out years later.

Even if the guy isn't jailed I still think the punishments should be way more severe.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

I was referring to cases that didn't lead to convictions, not situations that truly ruined these men's lives. In case of convictions it's entirely different.

Roger that.

I thought we were discussing if she recanted, not if he was jailed and it came out years later.

Even if the guy isn't jailed I still think the punishments should be way more severe.

20 years is longer than some murderers spend in prison. I think that's a bit much.

 

[SexySteph]

Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

I was referring to cases that didn't lead to convictions, not situations that truly ruined these men's lives. In case of convictions it's entirely different.

Roger that.

I thought we were discussing if she recanted, not if he was jailed and it came out years later.

Even if the guy isn't jailed I still think the punishments should be way more severe.

20 years is longer than some murderers spend in prison. I think that's a bit much.

I think 3 years would be plenty, prison is a horrible horrible place, I think 3 years would serve the desired effect.

BUT, I also think if women were imprisoned for false rape allegations women would become less likely to come forward due to the fear that their might not be enough evidence or very little at all and then her attacker would take her to court after he was found not guilty and then she'd go to prison for trying to get justice for herself. I mean, I didn't go to the police when I was raped because none of my male friends believed me, why would anyone else? The possibility for being imprisoned because the jury decided I was lying would have deterred me even more. Rapists get away with it probably a fair amount, victims sometimes recant because their attacker threatens their family or the victims safety again, imagine if your rapist threatened to sue you for false allegations if you went to the police? It's a really complicated situation to consider.

 

[curvyredhead]

Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

I found a new extended video

http://motherless.com/0C680CE


Around the 55 second mark, she reaches down and pulls his head in tighter, almost as if she was loving every second of it.

Ima go ahead and make sure that gets deleted...asap

Thank you.

 

[bawksy]

Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

Ima go ahead and make sure that gets deleted...asap

Thank you.

Thanks for being a cunt, that link is broken now. Here's another link to the full video, albeit with a watermark and her face blurred out:

http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/63660

The full video starts 10 seconds in, so the head holding starts at a minute and five seconds.

 

[curvyredhead]

Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

Ima go ahead and make sure that gets deleted...asap

Thank you.

Thanks for being a cunt, that link is broken now. Here's another link to the full video, albeit with a watermark and her face blurred out:

http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/63660

The full video starts 10 seconds in, so the head holding starts at a minute and five seconds.

No problem bawsky, thanx for showing us the link.

Let me know if you find it on ML again so I can make sure it gets taken down again

:-D

 

[CallMeWilliam]

Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

This also kind of assumes that she was sober or coherent though, right? And even if she was, I mean you're generally supposed to get a consent for when you film anything, especially if you intend to distribute it.

While this is true (depending on the country), however most privacy / copyright infringement cases (where someone has been recorded via video/audio in a public space) are weighted against monetary value. If the intent of the guy who filmed was to share it with a few friends and did *but* it then went viral; since no monetary value was expected it would be difficult to get a conviction against the defendant (the guy). The law is only really effective when financial gain is expected or has occurred. If this was not the case then Facebook/Google+/Vine/Twitter would not allow user videos to be posted.