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Re: TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids

Bocefish said:
Isabella_deL said:
My theory on changing the laws would be to encourage all rape victims to report them, even if the victim didn't want to go through the horrible process of pressing charges, meaning the police could keep track, if more than one report were made they'd then be able to see a pattern in behaviour, and if it went to court the chances of actually managing to charge the guy would be raised dramatically.

I only have one friend who's ever had the guts to report a rape, and it's a recent thing that happened when she was 12, and she's only had the nerve to do it because she suspects the guy is still going after underage girls. She is just praying that more girls will come forward so he can be sent away for a really long time. But it's taken her 9 years to build that courage.

I'm talking about cases with no evidence, so you can just give rape victims a way to quietly make a statement, have it put on file, and then they won't be contacted again unless further evidence gets made, rather than being forced to go through a long police process where everyone they know will find out, as usually rape victims are raped by people close to them and their friends/family it can really uproot and fuck up their life and those of people around them, and then at the end of it as there's no evidence the person gets away free.

As much as it's very easy to say "let's bring the rapists down!!!" Most rape victims don't want to go through that, and if the victims don't come forward, the rapists won't be caught, so it's kind of useless having all or nothing laws.

I may be wrong about this, but I think you can file a report without pressing charges.
You're correct. You can't do it through the police though, I don't believe. You'd file the report with a crisis center and then you'd be provided with counseling and the necessary care and take a report of what happened in case you do decide to press charges later. (This is if I understand my crisis center pamphlet correctly)
 
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Too late to edit, but reporting an assault does not mean that you must prosecute, at least in the U.S., is what I've found.

Options for Reporting a Sexual Assault:

It is your choice to file a police report or not.

You can file a report and decide later to press charges or not.

NY State lifted the statute of limitations for all sexual crimes taking place on or after June 23rd 2006.

You can file the report with UB police, or with the jurisdiction that the assault happened in.

Call Crisis Services if you would like an advocate to be with you. They will explain your options and how the process works.

While UB encourages students to report any and all assaults, reporting an assault does not mean that you must prosecute.

You can file a direct report, a proxy report, or a third party report. Information about reporting through UB Police is located here.

Female officers are available upon request.

Rights

It is your right:

To have all incident and medical records kept strictly confidential.

To be treated without prejudice regarding race, class, lifestyle, sexual orientation, gender, age, occupation, and/or religious beliefs.

To be made aware of and receive medical treatment, psychological support, and legal counseling.

To prosecute or not to prosecute.

To answer only those questions that are relevant to the crime.

To have an advocate present with you at the hospital, police station, and court proceedings.

http://sbihealtheducation.org/?page_id=207

ETA: from another source...

A specific sexual assault examination can be done that addresses your medical needs, as well as the collection of forensic evidence that may be useful should you decide to report the crime and press charges. You are under no obligation to prosecute even if you have the evidence collection kit done. Medical evidence can be collected up to 72 hours after an assault. This can be done at a hospital emergency room.

http://healthandcounseling.unca.edu/if- ... -assaulted
 
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I'm not sure about the situation when it comes to reporting rape and not wanting to prosecute or have the man actually informed of it, but if there already is a system where the police can be told and charges don't have to be pressed, like a situation where the rapists name would be on file so if he acted again and someone else reported then it'd be clear that it's repeat behaviour. But for this situation to be worth anything rape victims would have to be encouraged to come forward and know that they wouldn't necessarily need to go through counselling etc. I mean loads of rape victims don't want counselling, they just want to forget about it. Meaning filing a police report with everything they remember and then leaving it would be the best option for them.

The situation with sleeping in the same beds as dudes... I've slept in the same bed as guys many times when I was younger, eventually I stopped, and I started getting pretty fed up with the dudes who would really pressure/try and force me, and when I say force, I don't mean they were hitting me or even overpowering/fighting me, but consistent mauling, me moving their hands away and saying no, and them repeating the process, again and again for hours until, depending on who it was either they'd eventually give up, or I'd eventually get so tired that I would. Personally I've never considered it rape, but it's borderline, and I know that other girls who are much more sensitive about who touch them probably would. I've even had guys say the next day that I didn't have a choice. They'd decided they were going to fuck me, and sure they weren't going to take me by force, but they were going to manipulate and harass me until I gave in. Most of the times that this has happened the reason I haven't wanted to have sex is because it's that time of the month... or I haven't shaven, reasons guys don't really care all that much about, but for me is an absolute nono to sex, so the guys have been told verbally nothing would happen.

The reason at the time for me sharing a bed with guys so much, I went out on the weekends, sometimes the weekdays from the age of 14, I had a fair amount of male friends, often I needed or other people needed places to crash. The last time someone pulled it off I'd allowed them to stay at mine, they'd managed to worm their way into my bed, and while I was half asleep he woke me up, me being only half conscious and horny had sex with him before knowing what the hell had happened. I wouldn't call it rape exactly... But that was the last time I ever tolerated someone being that much of a dweeb. After that on 2 occasions I had guys trying it, the initial no didn't work, but after very seriously being told to fuck off... yes... that worked, though the guy never spoke to me again. I think probably if I'd started acting like a "rape victim" should act I probably would have slept with half the people I have. I'd say around that many were guys who I fancied but didn't want to have sex with at the time, but was just me getting myself in those situations.

I don't think blaming the girl and saying "you shouldn't share a bed with a dude" is good enough. I love sharing beds with guys so long as they don't try and force me into anything. Most girls crave the closeness even though they don't want the sex, and most guys when told "we're not having sex tonight" say "that's absolutely fine" whilst thinking "she's just saying that....", and yeah sure, to someone experienced, or even just to a guy who knows how guys think, then it seems pretty stupid on the girls part, but girls think differently to guys, we think we've been totally clear, we don't think the same when it comes to sex. A younger, less experienced girl will not necessarily understand exactly what a dude around her own age could be capable of when he's horny and has a fit girl in his bed. I don't think she's at fault if he can't keep his hands to himself.

This is why I think there should be better education on this subject, and a way that boys who have done this without really thinking anything of it can have someone come and talk to them and give them a bit of a reality shock, maybe a tap on the wrists. Because although I personally have been through this many times and have never felt the trauma a rape victim might feel, my reaction isn't the same as other girls. I also think this form of "rape" is where you get girls standing up and saying they've been raped, when the guy doesn't think he's done anything wrong, and is one of the reasons that people think so many girls lie about being raped, I don't think they're lying, they just have a different concept of what rape is. I don't think these boys should be punished like a rapist might be because I think there's still hope for them. But I also think that an eye should be kept on dudes who do this to see if there's repeat behaviour and if it gets worse/more violent. Maybe I'm naive, but I think that a little education and understanding goes a long way and that especially younger men who do this should be given a chance to understand their actions aren't ok. If they are never told anything different then how would they know? As Boce said, if they're getting sex at the end of it then they probably think that's just how it's done.
 
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Isabella_deL said:
I'm not sure about the situation when it comes to reporting rape and not wanting to prosecute or have the man actually informed of it, but if there already is a system where the police can be told and charges don't have to be pressed, like a situation where the rapists name would be on file so if he acted again and someone else reported then it'd be clear that it's repeat behaviour. But for this situation to be worth anything rape victims would have to be encouraged to come forward and know that they wouldn't necessarily need to go through counselling etc. I mean loads of rape victims don't want counselling, they just want to forget about it. Meaning filing a police report with everything they remember and then leaving it would be the best option for them.

From what I understand, that's the way it is here. You can file a report to get everything on record without having to prosecute or go through counseling with the option to press charges later, IF you so desire.

Isabella_deL said:
I don't think blaming the girl and saying "you shouldn't share a bed with a dude" is good enough. I love sharing beds with guys so long as they don't try and force me into anything. Most girls crave the closeness even though they don't want the sex, and most guys when told "we're not having sex tonight" say "that's absolutely fine" whilst thinking "she's just saying that....", and yeah sure, to someone experienced, or even just to a guy who knows how guys think, then it seems pretty stupid on the girls part, but girls think differently to guys, we think we've been totally clear, we don't think the same when it comes to sex. A younger, less experienced girl will not necessarily understand exactly what a dude around her own age could be capable of when he's horny and has a fit girl in his bed. I don't think she's at fault if he can't keep his hands to himself.

To clarify, I never blamed the girl for sharing a bed. I said it's asking for trouble, but if done, terms should be made crystal clear prior to allowing it. It's not her fault if she made the terms clear and the guy chose to ignore them. If the guy chooses to disregard what terms were set, that's when you tell him to GTFO or you're calling police.
 
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Bocefish said:

If I'm not mistaken, when the prosecutor waits to press charges until the evidence goes before a grand jury, it's because the prosecutor knows there probably isn't enough evidence to press charges, but is too cowardly to face the political fallout from failing to prosecute a case like this.
 
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bawksy said:
Bocefish said:

If I'm not mistaken, when the prosecutor waits to press charges until the evidence goes before a grand jury, it's because the prosecutor knows there probably isn't enough evidence to press charges, but is too cowardly to face the political fallout from failing to prosecute a case like this.

You are mistaken. While states have different rules, some require the use of a grand jury indictment before certain, sometimes all, felonies can be prosecuted. Ohio is one of them. The grand jury does not decide guilt or innocence but only if there is enough evidence for an indictment.
 
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Just Me said:
bawksy said:
Bocefish said:

If I'm not mistaken, when the prosecutor waits to press charges until the evidence goes before a grand jury, it's because the prosecutor knows there probably isn't enough evidence to press charges, but is too cowardly to face the political fallout from failing to prosecute a case like this.

You are mistaken. While states have different rules, some require the use of a grand jury indictment before certain, sometimes all, felonies can be prosecuted. Ohio is one of them. The grand jury does not decide guilt or innocence but only if there is enough evidence for an indictment.
Correct. I usually think of it as a step to help alleviate the backlog on the courts. Since defense doesn't even present it's side of things at a grand jury it goes pretty quick. So if they don't think the prosecution has enough evidence to fit the crime you can avoid overzealous prosecuting attorneys from taking every single case to trial (hopefully) and be done with the whole thing quicker.
 
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It's still the case that the prosecutor could have exercised discretion and not brought it before a grand jury at all, so as to not waste their time. But they don't do that in politically charged cases.
 
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The people that filmed it probably saved his bacon. Another link to watch what went down for anyone interested:

http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/63660

ATHENS, Ohio — A grand jury decided not to charge anyone over a public sex act near Ohio University that was photographed by witnesses and later reported by the woman involved as a sexual assault after images circulated on social media, a prosecutor said Monday.

Athens County Prosecutor Keller Blackburn said the grand jury determined there wasn’t probable cause to file charges after a man and woman were photographed and recorded in a sex act against the window of a bank near the southern Ohio campus in the wee hours of Oct. 12. Explicit photos of them were circulated via social media, and the woman later told police she was a victim of a sexual assault.

Investigators determined the couple, both 20-year-old students, had alcohol from a bar before the sex act, Blackburn said in a statement Monday. Blackburn said the man asked the woman whether to stop the act when a crowd formed, and she said no.

The man has cooperated with police. The woman didn’t remember what happened, and testing showed no sign of any “date rape drug,” Blackburn said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z2jA4mz9HV
 
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Bocefish said:
Blackburn said the man asked the woman whether to stop the act when a crowd formed, and she said no.

Wish they had released that tidbit right off the bat. There wouldn't have been any issues or debate on this at all. If she was asked in front of other people and said to continue, even if she was drunk, rape is thrown out the window as far as I'm concerned.
 
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JerryBoBerry said:
Bocefish said:
Blackburn said the man asked the woman whether to stop the act when a crowd formed, and she said no.

Wish they had released that tidbit right off the bat. There wouldn't have been any issues or debate on this at all. If she was asked in front of other people and said to continue, even if she was drunk, rape is thrown out the window as far as I'm concerned.

Unless his statement was corroborated by other witnesses, it holds no more weight than him saying he is innocent, so I can see why they didn't want to include that from the beginning. Prisons are full of people who say they're innocent, doesn't mean they are.
 
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Bocefish said:
JerryBoBerry said:
Bocefish said:
Blackburn said the man asked the woman whether to stop the act when a crowd formed, and she said no.

Wish they had released that tidbit right off the bat. There wouldn't have been any issues or debate on this at all. If she was asked in front of other people and said to continue, even if she was drunk, rape is thrown out the window as far as I'm concerned.

Unless his statement was corroborated by other witnesses, it holds no more weight than him saying he is innocent, so I can see why they didn't want to include that from the beginning. Prisons are full of people who say they're innocent, doesn't mean they are.

That's true. But for a prosecutor [Blackburn] to come out and say that like he did without any 'allegedly' or other wishy-washy terms I have to think they had that evidence on video or eye-witness accounts right from the start. It doesn't sound like they were just taking his word for it.

Investigators determined the couple, both 20-year-old students, had alcohol from a bar before the sex act, Blackburn said in a statement Monday. Blackburn said the man asked the woman whether to stop the act when a crowd formed, and she said no.
 
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JerryBoBerry said:
Bocefish said:
JerryBoBerry said:
Bocefish said:
Blackburn said the man asked the woman whether to stop the act when a crowd formed, and she said no.

Wish they had released that tidbit right off the bat. There wouldn't have been any issues or debate on this at all. If she was asked in front of other people and said to continue, even if she was drunk, rape is thrown out the window as far as I'm concerned.

Unless his statement was corroborated by other witnesses, it holds no more weight than him saying he is innocent, so I can see why they didn't want to include that from the beginning. Prisons are full of people who say they're innocent, doesn't mean they are.

That's true. But for a prosecutor [Blackburn] to come out and say that like he did without any 'allegedly' or other wishy-washy terms I have to think they had that evidence on video or eye-witness accounts right from the start. It doesn't sound like they were just taking his word for it.

Investigators determined the couple, both 20-year-old students, had alcohol from a bar before the sex act, Blackburn said in a statement Monday. Blackburn said the man asked the woman whether to stop the act when a crowd formed, and she said no.

I guess it can be taken either way since there is no clarification as to the verification of the statement. If they had concrete video evidence or witness testimony of her consent from the onset of the investigation, I doubt it would have gotten as far as the Grand Jury.

Either way, the school continues to conduct it's own investigation which leads me to believe it isn't all that cut and dried yet.
 
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