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strokinmuhharbl said:
Again, you missed the point completely. It's not that he recorded models, it's that he recorded groups and pvts for virtually free! If a guy goes into a group, stays for the entire group and does a screen cap of it, its almost ok that he has a copy of it because he paid for it. These guys were capturing the incoming stream for 1 or 2 tokens. They were straight up ripping the models off. That's what the girls should be pissed about.
Apparently this had been going on for YEARS and there was a group of guys recording shows using this method.
strokinmuhharbl said:
Your statements lack logic, and you are a troll. As such, I'll stop feeding you. Even responding to you this much makes me worry I'm going to get some of your slime all over me *shiver*
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HaileyJade said:
strokinmuhharbl said:
Oh I totally know they can get around blocks... I just like making it more difficult for them. Just FYI... Ive seen how SirLarry is with my own two eyes. I've also talked to numerous people about other things hes done. So it wasnt a rumor. Lol.
HaileyJade said:
Spill the beans! If he likes to post shit about other members you should let him have it here in the forums.
HaileyJade said:
Just wondering if you can post an example of this "Said behaviour?" I can claim to have the cure for death and seen it with my own two eyes but it doesn't mean that it's real.
Also do you find it fair that a guy get's to benefit from your work for a cool nickle? Because that's what this cat was doing and PROUD of it - he's go into a group/voyeur and leave immediately after starting his recordings, at 70 terrabytes of data he's paid out a lot of nickles that ripped off not just the girls, but the site and the guys who are paying and playing on an honest playing field.
BOOYA! said:
I thought she said was that you were also one who benefited from it - but without admitting it. So far your posts are a bit like reading a tabloid newspaper. Shout, scream, and try to generate drama - each post repeating the same stuff to try and generate a response of indignation! When you don't get what you thought you should, say it again "but they got something for FREE from YOU - doesn't this PISS YOU OFF?"
So - the interesting question - are you saying that you weren't part of all this, weren't in the know, didn't benefit from all this for an extended period of time without alerting anyone to it? That's the only thing I find interesting
Regardless of al that - to respond to a bit of your post, and speaking as a paying member - am I pissed about paying and playing on an honest playing field whilst others didn't?
No, because I do not begrudge paying my tokens for something they may have gotten for free.
Why? Because the girls I go grp with I do because I like the girls themselves and interact with them a lot (One lady in particular, two more perhaps once per week). They'd get the tokens whether I went into grp or not.
So - there was a flaw, it's fixed, brilliant - shame it was there for so long to occur. A BIG shame on those who benefited, didn't say anything until it was rumbled, and then act like they're a "good guy". From the chat convo you posted, it does appear you knew about it for some time... :snooty:
BOOYA! said:
Allow me to rephrase this - I DO know how it works because of the user in question giving me the explanation, but NO I have NOT ever recorded a person in private or in group because I didn't care to because I don't PHYSICALLY know how to use the program.
First of all...
CALM THE FUCK DOWN, EVERYONE!
You're all acting like a bunch of damn retards and we don't need no more fucking drama around here.
Second- Yes, models will get recorded and sometimes, it will appear on the internet. Is it wrong? Yes. However, in some cases it can be beneficial to the site and the model to have that happen.
Best thing to do: Accept that some of your shows will appear on the internet. But feel free to set standards. If you find a video of yourself doing something that you don't want out there, ask for it to be pulled. But accept that you can't get everything.
Finally- if what this guy was doing is true, that's theft IMO and MFC should be looking for money from him.
Now, can we all just play nice for once!
The image below is relevant.
CALM THE FUCK DOWN, EVERYONE!
You're all acting like a bunch of damn retards and we don't need no more fucking drama around here.
Second- Yes, models will get recorded and sometimes, it will appear on the internet. Is it wrong? Yes. However, in some cases it can be beneficial to the site and the model to have that happen.
Best thing to do: Accept that some of your shows will appear on the internet. But feel free to set standards. If you find a video of yourself doing something that you don't want out there, ask for it to be pulled. But accept that you can't get everything.
Finally- if what this guy was doing is true, that's theft IMO and MFC should be looking for money from him.
Now, can we all just play nice for once!
The image below is relevant.
Hailey - just wondering why the VERY first time I went in to your room tonight (and yes I will admit that I raised shit because you said I had...may as well stand by YOUR word) Camelnut wasn't banned?
So now you have your evidence of me being a shift disturber - but I still haven't seen why Mr. Nut is still a part of your chat room when you said he was going to be gone?
So now you have your evidence of me being a shift disturber - but I still haven't seen why Mr. Nut is still a part of your chat room when you said he was going to be gone?
1) That isn't the user who is doing it who is at fault.superfunguy said:
2) ???
3) That is MFC's fault for not fixing the exploit sooner. As I said every site and even messenger has exploits. You know how many people were capped on Yahoo back in the day because you could view someone's cam without their permission or them knowing? Yet Yahoo knew about it and took years to finally care and patch the exploit. If there are exploits it's obvious people are going to use it. If you knew how to do it I'm sure you would too. If you say you wouldn't you're a f*cking liar and I'm sure every one will agree with me on saying that. Again though most models do public shows with over 1,700 people watching. So ones who do that type of thing KNOW almost 100% of them aren't paying and only a small amount are. So if one dick head caps her private or group without paying I don't think she's going to mind so much as long as her wallet is lined with green. Would she want the money from that person ripping her off? Sure. But what is she going to do about it? It's just some thing called greed. Why else would a woman do cam whoring? Easy money for only needing to know how to talk to dumb people into paying her money.
If you had my slime on you it'd be the best thing that ever happened in your existence.[/quote]I'm hurt?? Carrying on............AshaSnow said:
Don't know the guy. Don't care to know him either. I was just saying just because some one says some thing doesn't make it true. It's human nature to gossip.HaileyJade said:
Because it's still funny. Saw one fist her ass then fist her vagina after. Then was sucking on her fingers and stuff after fisting her vag. I had to think if it was the same fist that was in her anus. Can't be too sanitary.Paulie Walnuts said:
You know how much space and money 70 fuckin' terabytes is? That's some NASA shit. If he has that kind of money to waste of hard drives to jerk off to that many caps that he'll probably never watch 90 percent of them ever again then I'm sure he would know how to edit and shrink caps to not need 80 terabytes of hard drive space. AKA if you think he has 70 terabytes of hard drive you're an idiot.BOOYA! said:
Again it's the model's money and body. Why are you stessin over it? She's making bank on MFC regardless and more than what you do at your job.
What I'm stressing over is that it's theft and it's wrong, as a business owner in a business that makes a decent profit I don't like people ripping me off even though I'm still making money. My sub-contracted employees who work for me don't like being ripped off either - and that's how this site works.
Over a years time let's put this in perspective, on average a private session on MFC costs between 15&20 dollars - if you only do ONE of those each day for 5 days (which is unlikely) at the end of the year if this guy takes a capture of every one of your shows (and with the amount of porn he claims he has It's VERY likely) that girl has lost anywhere from an average of 3900-7500 dollars in a YEAR! now don't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at the fact out of that potential income you made 2.60 for $7500 worth of work?
And as an admin of the site yes it looks like they are making good money off of him but it's the same thing would you rather make maybe 1500 dollars a year or if everything was on a level field and you weren't exploiting a flawed system that the right thing to do would be to report it when a hole is found (like I did) would be likely TEN's of Thounsands.
On average this guy would spend 1 token to record the show - at the minimum purchase of 20.00 he got 200 shows for 20.00 - this is of course assuming that Mr. Nut bought these tokens at the minimum and made them last for a month at a time - for 240.00 - he'd scoop get 2,400 shows per year! Nearly $50,000 worth of shows for under 300 bucks is a GREAT score for him and his elite underground group that also scoops and swaps - say there's five of these guys - a QUARTER MILLION dollars worth of shit taken from the site for 1200 bucks, not sure about you guys but I'd love to have my share of a Quarter Million to be a lot more than 2.60 cents at the end of the year. And remember this is all at the MINIMUM purchase price.
Either way this is a deplorable action - I can't see why people are just shrugging it off!
This man is sadistic he told me before that he threatened to send a video of a girl he recorded to her parents if she didn't stop asking him for him to pay her 40.00 he had agreed to pay her for the said show...but just look at those numbers above and still say you shouldn't care about someone stealing your shit!
Over a years time let's put this in perspective, on average a private session on MFC costs between 15&20 dollars - if you only do ONE of those each day for 5 days (which is unlikely) at the end of the year if this guy takes a capture of every one of your shows (and with the amount of porn he claims he has It's VERY likely) that girl has lost anywhere from an average of 3900-7500 dollars in a YEAR! now don't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at the fact out of that potential income you made 2.60 for $7500 worth of work?
And as an admin of the site yes it looks like they are making good money off of him but it's the same thing would you rather make maybe 1500 dollars a year or if everything was on a level field and you weren't exploiting a flawed system that the right thing to do would be to report it when a hole is found (like I did) would be likely TEN's of Thounsands.
On average this guy would spend 1 token to record the show - at the minimum purchase of 20.00 he got 200 shows for 20.00 - this is of course assuming that Mr. Nut bought these tokens at the minimum and made them last for a month at a time - for 240.00 - he'd scoop get 2,400 shows per year! Nearly $50,000 worth of shows for under 300 bucks is a GREAT score for him and his elite underground group that also scoops and swaps - say there's five of these guys - a QUARTER MILLION dollars worth of shit taken from the site for 1200 bucks, not sure about you guys but I'd love to have my share of a Quarter Million to be a lot more than 2.60 cents at the end of the year. And remember this is all at the MINIMUM purchase price.
Either way this is a deplorable action - I can't see why people are just shrugging it off!
This man is sadistic he told me before that he threatened to send a video of a girl he recorded to her parents if she didn't stop asking him for him to pay her 40.00 he had agreed to pay her for the said show...but just look at those numbers above and still say you shouldn't care about someone stealing your shit!
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yep were all in this because were GREEDY! I knew someone would figure it out one day! Its all EASY money, :lol: all ya gotta do is know how to manipulate right :roll:
I think people aren't more pissed off because something is being done about it. If nothing was being done, then we'd be up in arms. But it's been fixed so really, the only thing models need to be concerned about is if someone is out there selling those recordings.BOOYA! said:
And to be honest, those who buy tokens always end up being the provider of someone else's entertainment. See the "Freeloaders" thread somewhere else on these forums.
Mikeythegeek said:
This
Also, I wasn't questioning whether you personally did the leaching (as I'll call it) of the video, I meant more whether you were involved in the ring and therefore had access to said recordings. It seemed to imply, from the first post, that you did. That's all i was wondering.
I'm not pissed off because I am not losing anything. Yes, someone may be getting the same show as me (through spying and then leaching), but it didn't cost me as the models I spend my tokens upon are models I want to spend my tokens upon. If I just wanted to see naked women, I would not come to MFC! I don't go into various rooms on MFC to look at naked women. I go to a specific set of rooms only.
If MFC knew for several years about the exploit, then holy shit...it's taken them a long time to fix something (which arguably costs them more than the girls...). But now they've fixed it - GOOD. However, if MFC can stream Rick Astley to those still trying, that means they should be able to identify the people doing it - and ban them permanently from their accounts - losing their $20 premium status and any remaining tokens. That'd be nice
Now did the ladies lose money? That is a question which can only be answered through knowing whether the guys doing this gave it to others who would have paid for such shows anyway. They pikey'd porn for free. They had access to something they should not have. Yes, that is MFC's fault. Yes, the people taking advantage of it are arseholes, but going apeshit after the fact won't change anything.
Course, if models ban said people from their room - then woohoo. Reinforces the mentality that being a cheating scum has risks associated and results in being outcast is GOOD - but that's personal choice.
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So I find myself on the virtual chopping block again. Kind of an odd setting if I might say so, considering this is considered by most to be
the "ladies restroom" of webcam forums. 1st off let me say hello to AmberCutie and congratulate her on this creation. I've heard this a refuge-like forum
for models to come and get detailed and valid information pertaining the whole "camming" experience. I commend your work on making answers accessible to all
models.
So it's been brought to my attention that SirLarry aka BOOYA!(on this forum) and aliased as AngryPlumber on MFC has decided to try and drag my name
through the mud.
As you're all aware, SirLarry was the genesis behind the destruction of a system of being able to capture video feeds via the use of some simplified
software. Somewhere along the line SirLarry found out about this system and began ranting and raving about it in the lounge. I believe his exploitation of
the information was limited to the lounge 1000, as it's been told that SirLarry has about as many Reward Points as times I've been laughed at for being an
idiot.
As for my infamy, I could honestly care less. As a memeber you can talk to any model I've ever spent time with and she'll plainly state that althought
CamelNut has his definite predilections he has never used me or my shows for exploitation, personal gain or other malicious intention. I know for a fact
that I've treated every and all models that I've played with with the utmost respect. When I think of a model I think of a girl-next-door type and being a
compasionate human, I realize that behind every cam there is a model with a life, friends, family, school mates, colleagues, etc.
When I 1st approached SirLarry about him throwing this well kept secret to the wind, his reply was simple and carried forward in near every
conversation thus following. He would refute my claim that these models were girls who were in most cases trying to keep their identy to a level of general
secrecy, with "it's just porn" and that I take it way too seriously. I tried to explain that although this site was a worldwide community that models had
the ability to retain their identities, location and general information by the use of programming that allowed them to block certain desired geographical
locations and that even though these model were exposing themselves on cam, that they weren't proclaiming to the world, like you find with most "porn
actresses or professionals," that they were indeed involved in porn, so come and get it. As always he met my ideology with simple disdain and repeated
stated "it's just porn."
So being on mfc I have met a bunch of unique people and there are many people at many times that will let me know of information that is being shared.
So one night I get a PM from a member that this member SirLarry is in lounge and going step by step on how to "scoop" as he called it. And on top of it he's
implicating me as the mastermind behind the plan. So I decide to PM SirLarry and tell him that what he's doing is beyond ridiculous and that he's like a kid
holding the controller to launch nukes to some unsuspecting location. As always he's sure footed and fond of being a tool and tells me who cares if
everybody knows, it's just porn. So somewhere in a day or two's time, he goes from sycophant to psychotic and decides that sharing that information just
wasn't the "fix" he was looking for. So he took it upon himself to, in detail, explain to admin Leo exactly how the process worked and it's benefits and
rewards. He, also, somewhere along that time line built an inferno of hatred toward me, which I still have yet to unearth its origins. He again repeatedly
talked trash about me in lounge and how I have a heaping collection of "porn" as he refers to it as. I think what SirLarry failed to realize is that, my
heaping pile of shows, was secondary to the fact that I have spent a few dollars at MFC enjoy myself and meeting and sparking up conversation with models
and members alike. He seems to think that I was utilizing said "exploit" to my benefit as if I wasn't paying for something I was getting. As I tried to
explain to SirLarry if I had used said "eploit" I'd have used it in only two instances.
1. as a research tool to see what a model might be into prior to me gaining the courage to go up and talk my game.
2. to creat a feed from a show that didn't have the annoying tip window screen pop up every single time I wanted to reward a model for doing something.
The latter yes selfish, admittedly selfish. I can't tell you how many times I've written MFC admin to beg them to reposition the tip window because it
not only ruined the show, but created an atmosphere of me not wanting to tip at all. However I've never been that withholding and won't start now. So it's
laughable that SirLarry tries to use the idea that I'm some cheap basic who gets off on "scooping" free videos and sharing them netwide or for my personal
gain. Truth be told, over 90% of shows on MFC are crap. Quick, pointless, fruitless. That being said, if I'd indeed "scooped" shows I'd have indeed thrown
out about 97% of them for being meaningless and taking up space. Along those lines, I would invite any model who had a question about my token usage here to
come stop by and talk or invite me to your room and you can see for yourself that I'm not in this for any sort of personal gain at all. I'm in this for the
most unqiue interaction with models that I've ever had the privilege of spending time with.
I know SirLarry will see this as a boast of my economic prowess but I beg to differ and have actually banned and blocked models who thought it was a
good idea to read my Reward Points to the crowd. I use those reward points for one reason and one reason only, to let a model who knows, that I am here to
have fun, not to beg you bit by bit for triffles of sexiness so that I can whack my cock in free chat, while reciting "oh bb you are the most beautiful
model I've ever seen" about 200 times to make sure she's seen me.
Any model who knows me, knows that I come with an idea and I like having that idea fulfilled. I'll admit sometimes fulfilling the idea becomes costly
but I chalk it up to me being able to spend the time with the model that I want, not some predetermined, prepacked porn show that you'll find on any site
online. I truly enjoy the idea of creating shows, not just watching some other persons idea of what I find sexually stimulating.
Phew!
So on to the "scoop" issue. Yes it's around. Yes it's in use. Did I create it? No. Was I the 1st to use it? No. What some new, naive models don't realize is
that camming has been going on now for over 12 years and continues to grow in popularity for it's ease and lucrative nature. The concept of the "scoop" was
not something I had knowledge of up until about 1 year ago. Most of the information I received pertaining to said "exploit" was through european
connections, namely the U.K. The people or persons that made me aware of it for my 1st time had been working it for more than 5 years with various gadgets
here and there to optimize it and make it user friendly. That intro'd, I can now move to the way that most people who use this infomation benefit from it.
1. to sell, distribute or otherwise maliciously exploit the person being "scooped"
2. as an old world bartering tool amongst like minded people with the same know how
3. to retain the sensational memories that they've created with some of the most amazing cam models in the world. without the idea of personal gain as the
driving force behind it.
I won't lie and play the victim and pretend that I've never shared a video. That would be childish and disrespectful to the models I'm trying to reach
with this message. That being said, if I ever traded I made sure to create a link, unique to the that person and once said share was completed I deleted it.
I realize that in life a lock is there only to keep honest people honest, And that, if that person wanted to they could repost it on every site in the
world. But that was never my intention if I did a trade. I would honestly say I've shared about 30 videos the entire time that I've been into this, online.
I'm very well known for not sharing, even amongst my close friends online. However if somebody came to me under the false pretenses that they knew about
"scooping" and demonstrated to me that they truly knew what it was, then I generally had no hesitation in sparking up conversation as to his/her use of said
"exploit."
So as I look back I can't help but think that I'd call myself a three if I had ever used said "exploit" and I would personally challenge any model or
member to bring me proof that I'm selling their videos for tokens or trade, etc. Like I said, I've recorded videos and I've offered recorded videos to
models in order for them to have some sellable content to put on their profiles in order to increase popularity or drive patronage from more members. I
still retain the written consent from each and every model that I've ever shared their videos.
One thing to consider, models, the ability to scoop is not something that just happens without forethought and preparation. And most of all, desire.
I'll give you an idea of what I mean. On the previous Monday there were roughly 1600 models online at the peak time. When I looked up it said that I had 28
of 1588 models showing. Which means you are not being sought out by me and to be honest, if I'm "scooping" you it's most likely because I'm in the show with
you. So before all you models go nuts and think that banning me is your only protection against the "Evil Minded, Sinister, Crass, CamelNut" although you're
each beautiful in your own way, that I am very discerning when I choose models that I want to pursue and have fun with. And there's a 99% chance that I have
never even set foot in your room.
So "scooping" evolved! I think what SirLarry was trying to accomplish here was defaming me while gaining notoriety as the savior to MFC's "porn stars"
By illegially copying and pasting our "private" conversation he's tried to strike fear in the hearts of would be models and help protect them from me, which
seems laughable since he was so dead set on telling me "who cares if I'm sharing the knowledge of scooping, it's just porn" "dude you take this way too
serious."
In closing, I'd like to thank SirLarry for using me as the inpspiration to bring the fear of God to models everywhere. Not! I think most good models
know that their will always be good members and FAILED members. I'm sure they also know that if "you can code, you can create." And ingenuity has been the
genesis of many great creations in life. It can only be hoped that people who have the knowledge(the nuke button) will realize that with certain forms of
power or information comes a certain level of responsibility. As for the infamous CamelNut, yes I know things. Will I use this information to exploit,
maliciously harm or benefit from it financially? No, I will not.
********Oh fuck just saw his update.**********
Addendum time. SirLarry seems to think that the only thing I do is steal shows. He knows nothing of the practical use of this tool and has ignorantly
tried to tally an amount of money he thinks this site has lost due to the fact that scooping can be done. What a complete tool for him to try to liken the
monetary to rip-off ratio that I have going via MFC. He's completely distracted by his personally grief over something I've done to him or someone he knows.
I he knew how few "scoops" I had he'd laugh at all this, trying to make these models think that I sit there and run to every single pvt or grp show and jump
in and scoop. How sad are you, when you think that I'd spend even the greasiest of nickels just t grab a feed of something or someone I have zero interest
in. Truly in tasteless form, SirLarry.
*******************This man is sadistic he told me before that he threatened to send a video of a girl he recorded to her parents if she didn't stop asking
him for him to pay her 40.00 he had agreed to pay her for the said show...but just look at those numbers above and still say you shouldn't care about
someone stealing your shit!************** Hahahah what the fuck. I threathened a model, because she didn't get paid? OMG SirLarry this is rich. You've just
completely invalidated yourself. You have gone from copying and pasting to creating instances to strengthen your cause. Unbelievable man, even for you.
Anyway, I've gotta scoot. I hope this has helped to enlighten a few people and to the nature of what was going on and my involvment in it. Not to say
it matters one bit, but as previously stated, I do repect the models that are here and haven't willfully gone out of my way to make like hell for them. I
just hope that most models who common this site will realize that
1. if you're in the public light, the ability to be recorded is there, don't REACT to the situation, ACT to it. Meaning, be rational and don't let one "town
cryer" ruin your ability to have fun on cam. And if you're afraid I've "scooped" you, just ask. I have nothing to lose in being truthful.
2. members like SirLarry are a dime a dozen and this is not the first instance of me having to defend my position. members like him, have tried in the past
to get to models I know and have time and time again tried to drag me through the mud to make themselves seems like some angelic form, on an otherwise adult
oriented cam site. Like I did then and I'm doing now. I put the challenge out to any and all models to find me guilty of anything other than having a good
with them.
Thank you for you time, AmberCutie members.
***********OMG how could i have forgotten this. This is one of the most integral parts in my defense.
I have never, in my life been involved with a ring or raquet of people who "scoop" or share. The idea that I would share my personal vids or my one to one
experiences with a model of my liking is fucking incomprehensible to me. Again there may be such a thing going on, but what I enjoy sexually is something
that I am not at liberty to share.************
Happy Camming,
CamelNut
the "ladies restroom" of webcam forums. 1st off let me say hello to AmberCutie and congratulate her on this creation. I've heard this a refuge-like forum
for models to come and get detailed and valid information pertaining the whole "camming" experience. I commend your work on making answers accessible to all
models.
So it's been brought to my attention that SirLarry aka BOOYA!(on this forum) and aliased as AngryPlumber on MFC has decided to try and drag my name
through the mud.
As you're all aware, SirLarry was the genesis behind the destruction of a system of being able to capture video feeds via the use of some simplified
software. Somewhere along the line SirLarry found out about this system and began ranting and raving about it in the lounge. I believe his exploitation of
the information was limited to the lounge 1000, as it's been told that SirLarry has about as many Reward Points as times I've been laughed at for being an
idiot.
As for my infamy, I could honestly care less. As a memeber you can talk to any model I've ever spent time with and she'll plainly state that althought
CamelNut has his definite predilections he has never used me or my shows for exploitation, personal gain or other malicious intention. I know for a fact
that I've treated every and all models that I've played with with the utmost respect. When I think of a model I think of a girl-next-door type and being a
compasionate human, I realize that behind every cam there is a model with a life, friends, family, school mates, colleagues, etc.
When I 1st approached SirLarry about him throwing this well kept secret to the wind, his reply was simple and carried forward in near every
conversation thus following. He would refute my claim that these models were girls who were in most cases trying to keep their identy to a level of general
secrecy, with "it's just porn" and that I take it way too seriously. I tried to explain that although this site was a worldwide community that models had
the ability to retain their identities, location and general information by the use of programming that allowed them to block certain desired geographical
locations and that even though these model were exposing themselves on cam, that they weren't proclaiming to the world, like you find with most "porn
actresses or professionals," that they were indeed involved in porn, so come and get it. As always he met my ideology with simple disdain and repeated
stated "it's just porn."
So being on mfc I have met a bunch of unique people and there are many people at many times that will let me know of information that is being shared.
So one night I get a PM from a member that this member SirLarry is in lounge and going step by step on how to "scoop" as he called it. And on top of it he's
implicating me as the mastermind behind the plan. So I decide to PM SirLarry and tell him that what he's doing is beyond ridiculous and that he's like a kid
holding the controller to launch nukes to some unsuspecting location. As always he's sure footed and fond of being a tool and tells me who cares if
everybody knows, it's just porn. So somewhere in a day or two's time, he goes from sycophant to psychotic and decides that sharing that information just
wasn't the "fix" he was looking for. So he took it upon himself to, in detail, explain to admin Leo exactly how the process worked and it's benefits and
rewards. He, also, somewhere along that time line built an inferno of hatred toward me, which I still have yet to unearth its origins. He again repeatedly
talked trash about me in lounge and how I have a heaping collection of "porn" as he refers to it as. I think what SirLarry failed to realize is that, my
heaping pile of shows, was secondary to the fact that I have spent a few dollars at MFC enjoy myself and meeting and sparking up conversation with models
and members alike. He seems to think that I was utilizing said "exploit" to my benefit as if I wasn't paying for something I was getting. As I tried to
explain to SirLarry if I had used said "eploit" I'd have used it in only two instances.
1. as a research tool to see what a model might be into prior to me gaining the courage to go up and talk my game.
2. to creat a feed from a show that didn't have the annoying tip window screen pop up every single time I wanted to reward a model for doing something.
The latter yes selfish, admittedly selfish. I can't tell you how many times I've written MFC admin to beg them to reposition the tip window because it
not only ruined the show, but created an atmosphere of me not wanting to tip at all. However I've never been that withholding and won't start now. So it's
laughable that SirLarry tries to use the idea that I'm some cheap basic who gets off on "scooping" free videos and sharing them netwide or for my personal
gain. Truth be told, over 90% of shows on MFC are crap. Quick, pointless, fruitless. That being said, if I'd indeed "scooped" shows I'd have indeed thrown
out about 97% of them for being meaningless and taking up space. Along those lines, I would invite any model who had a question about my token usage here to
come stop by and talk or invite me to your room and you can see for yourself that I'm not in this for any sort of personal gain at all. I'm in this for the
most unqiue interaction with models that I've ever had the privilege of spending time with.
I know SirLarry will see this as a boast of my economic prowess but I beg to differ and have actually banned and blocked models who thought it was a
good idea to read my Reward Points to the crowd. I use those reward points for one reason and one reason only, to let a model who knows, that I am here to
have fun, not to beg you bit by bit for triffles of sexiness so that I can whack my cock in free chat, while reciting "oh bb you are the most beautiful
model I've ever seen" about 200 times to make sure she's seen me.
Any model who knows me, knows that I come with an idea and I like having that idea fulfilled. I'll admit sometimes fulfilling the idea becomes costly
but I chalk it up to me being able to spend the time with the model that I want, not some predetermined, prepacked porn show that you'll find on any site
online. I truly enjoy the idea of creating shows, not just watching some other persons idea of what I find sexually stimulating.
Phew!
So on to the "scoop" issue. Yes it's around. Yes it's in use. Did I create it? No. Was I the 1st to use it? No. What some new, naive models don't realize is
that camming has been going on now for over 12 years and continues to grow in popularity for it's ease and lucrative nature. The concept of the "scoop" was
not something I had knowledge of up until about 1 year ago. Most of the information I received pertaining to said "exploit" was through european
connections, namely the U.K. The people or persons that made me aware of it for my 1st time had been working it for more than 5 years with various gadgets
here and there to optimize it and make it user friendly. That intro'd, I can now move to the way that most people who use this infomation benefit from it.
1. to sell, distribute or otherwise maliciously exploit the person being "scooped"
2. as an old world bartering tool amongst like minded people with the same know how
3. to retain the sensational memories that they've created with some of the most amazing cam models in the world. without the idea of personal gain as the
driving force behind it.
I won't lie and play the victim and pretend that I've never shared a video. That would be childish and disrespectful to the models I'm trying to reach
with this message. That being said, if I ever traded I made sure to create a link, unique to the that person and once said share was completed I deleted it.
I realize that in life a lock is there only to keep honest people honest, And that, if that person wanted to they could repost it on every site in the
world. But that was never my intention if I did a trade. I would honestly say I've shared about 30 videos the entire time that I've been into this, online.
I'm very well known for not sharing, even amongst my close friends online. However if somebody came to me under the false pretenses that they knew about
"scooping" and demonstrated to me that they truly knew what it was, then I generally had no hesitation in sparking up conversation as to his/her use of said
"exploit."
So as I look back I can't help but think that I'd call myself a three if I had ever used said "exploit" and I would personally challenge any model or
member to bring me proof that I'm selling their videos for tokens or trade, etc. Like I said, I've recorded videos and I've offered recorded videos to
models in order for them to have some sellable content to put on their profiles in order to increase popularity or drive patronage from more members. I
still retain the written consent from each and every model that I've ever shared their videos.
One thing to consider, models, the ability to scoop is not something that just happens without forethought and preparation. And most of all, desire.
I'll give you an idea of what I mean. On the previous Monday there were roughly 1600 models online at the peak time. When I looked up it said that I had 28
of 1588 models showing. Which means you are not being sought out by me and to be honest, if I'm "scooping" you it's most likely because I'm in the show with
you. So before all you models go nuts and think that banning me is your only protection against the "Evil Minded, Sinister, Crass, CamelNut" although you're
each beautiful in your own way, that I am very discerning when I choose models that I want to pursue and have fun with. And there's a 99% chance that I have
never even set foot in your room.
So "scooping" evolved! I think what SirLarry was trying to accomplish here was defaming me while gaining notoriety as the savior to MFC's "porn stars"
By illegially copying and pasting our "private" conversation he's tried to strike fear in the hearts of would be models and help protect them from me, which
seems laughable since he was so dead set on telling me "who cares if I'm sharing the knowledge of scooping, it's just porn" "dude you take this way too
serious."
In closing, I'd like to thank SirLarry for using me as the inpspiration to bring the fear of God to models everywhere. Not! I think most good models
know that their will always be good members and FAILED members. I'm sure they also know that if "you can code, you can create." And ingenuity has been the
genesis of many great creations in life. It can only be hoped that people who have the knowledge(the nuke button) will realize that with certain forms of
power or information comes a certain level of responsibility. As for the infamous CamelNut, yes I know things. Will I use this information to exploit,
maliciously harm or benefit from it financially? No, I will not.
********Oh fuck just saw his update.**********
Addendum time. SirLarry seems to think that the only thing I do is steal shows. He knows nothing of the practical use of this tool and has ignorantly
tried to tally an amount of money he thinks this site has lost due to the fact that scooping can be done. What a complete tool for him to try to liken the
monetary to rip-off ratio that I have going via MFC. He's completely distracted by his personally grief over something I've done to him or someone he knows.
I he knew how few "scoops" I had he'd laugh at all this, trying to make these models think that I sit there and run to every single pvt or grp show and jump
in and scoop. How sad are you, when you think that I'd spend even the greasiest of nickels just t grab a feed of something or someone I have zero interest
in. Truly in tasteless form, SirLarry.
*******************This man is sadistic he told me before that he threatened to send a video of a girl he recorded to her parents if she didn't stop asking
him for him to pay her 40.00 he had agreed to pay her for the said show...but just look at those numbers above and still say you shouldn't care about
someone stealing your shit!************** Hahahah what the fuck. I threathened a model, because she didn't get paid? OMG SirLarry this is rich. You've just
completely invalidated yourself. You have gone from copying and pasting to creating instances to strengthen your cause. Unbelievable man, even for you.
Anyway, I've gotta scoot. I hope this has helped to enlighten a few people and to the nature of what was going on and my involvment in it. Not to say
it matters one bit, but as previously stated, I do repect the models that are here and haven't willfully gone out of my way to make like hell for them. I
just hope that most models who common this site will realize that
1. if you're in the public light, the ability to be recorded is there, don't REACT to the situation, ACT to it. Meaning, be rational and don't let one "town
cryer" ruin your ability to have fun on cam. And if you're afraid I've "scooped" you, just ask. I have nothing to lose in being truthful.
2. members like SirLarry are a dime a dozen and this is not the first instance of me having to defend my position. members like him, have tried in the past
to get to models I know and have time and time again tried to drag me through the mud to make themselves seems like some angelic form, on an otherwise adult
oriented cam site. Like I did then and I'm doing now. I put the challenge out to any and all models to find me guilty of anything other than having a good
with them.
Thank you for you time, AmberCutie members.
***********OMG how could i have forgotten this. This is one of the most integral parts in my defense.
I have never, in my life been involved with a ring or raquet of people who "scoop" or share. The idea that I would share my personal vids or my one to one
experiences with a model of my liking is fucking incomprehensible to me. Again there may be such a thing going on, but what I enjoy sexually is something
that I am not at liberty to share.************
Happy Camming,
CamelNut
Zoomer said:That was a long post :whistle:
I've but one question
Did "scooping" allow you to record a show you were not part of/paying for (i.e. enter the grp show, or spy on the pvt - then exit, whilst the scoop continues to gather the show freely?).
I'll have to refer that to SirLarry Booyah or AngryPlumber as they/he/her were the ones who in detail reported the practice to admin Leo.
So I did my own investigation on the issue. The software can still be used to record the stream with some adjusted settings. The good news is you need to actively be viewing the stream for it to work currently. You cannot connect and then dump out and continue capturing. I am not sure if they'll be able to restore that capability with some tweaks but that's where it is right now.
As for you, CamelNut, I think the question is specifically directed at you for a reason. He is asking if you personally recorded more of a private, group, or spy than you actually stayed and paid for? This is kind of a sticking issue to figure out just how compassionate about these girls-next-door and their ability to make money in their lively-hood you truly are.
As for you, CamelNut, I think the question is specifically directed at you for a reason. He is asking if you personally recorded more of a private, group, or spy than you actually stayed and paid for? This is kind of a sticking issue to figure out just how compassionate about these girls-next-door and their ability to make money in their lively-hood you truly are.
Mirra said:
That is exactly what I am asking and it is specifically at CamelNut
I'm not interested in what someone else says, I'm interested in what you did.I don't quite understand your evasiveness. A simple straight question that can be answered honestly, and simply, with a "yes" or "no".
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