You're Not That Hot

[CuteHerminie]

I feel like you have a strict standard in your head on how a camgirl should look like .You keep mentioning how many top models are average.News flash, men have different standards of what they consider hot.Some like blondes, some like brunets, some like 100 pounds and others like women be more meaty.Big boobs, small boobs. As far as personality, i don't know how much time you gave to someone before conclude that shes not good enough. I expect from a guy who doesn't find me attractive, to move on to other room, but most guys would stay in my room, just not like me enough to spend tokens on me. If you really can't find a camgirl you enjoy spending time and tokens on, then maybe you want to find something alse to do instead. If your goal was to tell us that we shouldn't have such high standards then you're wrong and thats just your opinion. Even on MFC many guys would only get online to have a wank, without to much interaction with the model afterwards.They just want momentary sexual liberation. They come to get a service we provide, that the non-camgirl wont give it to them, so yeah, he has to pay for.

 

[Joeternal]

. Nobody owes you anything, and even non-paying fans are worth having around to generate word of mouth, "social proof" and so on. If a model chooses to get naked in public, they can't complain that there are guys who didn't tip for it.

2 things

1) No model needs word of mouth going around that "This girl is awesome! I told her I can't tip and apparently neither could anyone else so we just sat and chatted in her room for 2 hours until she logged off cuz her countdowns didn't get finished!"

2) It's not the nudity that girls are frustrated about not getting tipped for. If that's all you're looking for I suggest encyclopedias and National Geographic

This is an important factor though. You have their eyeballs. It's up to you to figure out how to motivate them to spend. That may mean holding something back, or giving something away for free. You have to experiment to come up with the right formula. Complaining that they're not spending is not going to get you one single tip. I guarantee it. I've never seen it happen.

One thing I've also noticed over time: models have been increasing what they charge for things, which is not inherently a bad idea, but you have to watch to determine whether you've overpriced something. Think about what buying a DVD of a Hollywood movie (or porno) costs, or renting it on Netflix, then think about what some models charge for relatively short videos.

 

[Shutterbuck]

I'm gonna say some shit you're not gonna like but I'll first excuse it by diminishing how dick-ish it might sound. Lately when I log on to MFC (only site I visit), I've noticed a pattern in my browsing habits. I see a model that interests me, enter her room, watch and chat with her a little bit probably without even dropping 5 tokens cuz I ain't wasting that shit until I know that she'll give me some attention for it. Within a few minutes I lose any interest I had in tipping her because she's not responding to my oh-so-clever banter. What I've realized is that it's almost always for the same reason. My ego and attitude. Because I (probably) have some tokens and you (probably) should do exactly what I find entertaining in order for me to view you as deserving of them.

Most cam models are pretty average. They look like any other chick on the street except some of them are willing to remove their clothing and/or talk to me. I'm not saying they're unattractive. I'm just saying that they are intimidating because nature of cam-girling requires a certain level of confidence that I find threatening. Cam girls go online and they get a lot of attention from guys who appreciate the fact that they are there to entertain them (certainly not me, though) and give them what I feel may be an undeserved number of compliments. Certainly many of you must realize that if a woman went into a grocery store and started taking her clothes off with the risk of not being paid for such an act, she would get a lot of attention too. And when guys compliment you, they're doing it to be nice because-let's be honest here-dudes only tell you nice shit to stroke your egos in hopes that they'll get some shit in return. There seems to be not enough appreciation of those realities.

If you're a non-nude model, congratulations on the fact that people find you entertaining enough to spend time and money on you cuz I'm too jaded to give a fuck. But it still shouldn't make you feel (or act) stuck up, like you're somehow better than the average (see my previous classification of cam models) woman who doesn't do what you do.

I've been around cam sites on and off for a while, and my attitude has gotten worse over time. Cam girls act like they deserve money as compensation for their time and entertainment just like all the other entertainment service providers out there. And when they are compensated for their services, I feel like they don't show their gratitude to the degree in which I find appropriate. (I'm also writing an angry letter to my cable provider because they don't blow me kisses when I pay for their services so please don't feel singled out here, ye average women o' the interwebz).

I'm just one disgruntled dude, but I'm clearly not the only one who justifies their shitty attitude this way. Lately I'm finding it harder to find a reason to tip cam girls because I'm finding it harder to find ones who act exactly as I feel appropriate. :twocents-02cents: cuz you ain't worth 5

FIFY

 

[SexySteph]

. Nobody owes you anything, and even non-paying fans are worth having around to generate word of mouth, "social proof" and so on. If a model chooses to get naked in public, they can't complain that there are guys who didn't tip for it.

2 things

1) No model needs word of mouth going around that "This girl is awesome! I told her I can't tip and apparently neither could anyone else so we just sat and chatted in her room for 2 hours until she logged off cuz her countdowns didn't get finished!"

2) It's not the nudity that girls are frustrated about not getting tipped for. If that's all you're looking for I suggest encyclopedias and National Geographic

This is an important factor though. You have their eyeballs. It's up to you to figure out how to motivate them to spend. That may mean holding something back, or giving something away for free. You have to experiment to come up with the right formula. Complaining that they're not spending is not going to get you one single tip. I guarantee it. I've never seen it happen.

With all your knowledge on how this should be done I'm surprised you're not some uber successful camboy.

Tell us more, senpai!
I'd love if you could stop by my room daily and remind me that I'm not that hot and don't deserve tokens. I think i often forget that and it's the root of my on cam troubles.

 

[SarahLove]

The problem I have with the OP is that it generalizes way too much. I've seen the behavior described, but I certainly wouldn't call it typical of cam girls.

Don't you know? When you're upset with a couple of people, it's best to make generalized passive aggressive statements about their entire peer group!

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

That's a decent summary. Honestly, there are only a handful of models I've ever seen camming that made me think, "wow, she is incredibly hot". Usually those are Eastern European or Russian, don't speak very good English, and disappear after a short period of time. Fashion models who are struggling to make ends meet. The MFC Top 20 (even top 100) every month is full of average, slightly above average, and slightly below average women when it comes to looks, who think they're supermodels.

I truly don't understand this. Either you have really unique views on feminine beauty, you live next to top model agency, or there is some sour grapes speaking. The average MFC is attractive. The vast majority of top 20 models are between beautiful and gorgeous. The cover models/Pets for the Jan and Feb Penthouse are both MFC models. I don't think the Penthouse stayed in business (ok it's struggling now) all these years by putting slight above average woman on their covers. I guarantee if you entered pictures of the top 20 girls in a iamhotornot-like website they are going to score way higher than 5.

Now you are more likely to see top 20 girl, sans perfect makeup than a Victoria Secret model, and that impacts the illusion. The reason some top 20 models think they are supermodels and few cases act like it, is cause they are closer to being supermodel hot than an average girl.

 

[JoleneBrody]

You don't have to like everyone, it's ok man. It's nothing personal if she just isn't your cup of tea...


It always cracks me up when people get mad at me for not liking me... as if I programmed their tastes. I promise, I'm not being myself just to piss you off. :lol:

OK, all joking aside... In the years I've had a premium account I've only stumbled across this attitude a couple of times, specifically the not appreciating tips part. If you are honestly seeing this more than everyone else, I can only assume it has more to do with your perceptions than reality.

Especially if the girl is in the top... if everyone saw what you saw she obviously wouldn't be in the top (allowing for maybe one or two mysteries )

You are done, you are not interested or attracted to the very basis of camland anymore (that's ok mister!) and you are just pulling as many hair weaves and thong wedgies as you can on your way out! :lol: But it's probably just you, and tastes change man, that's OK.

Go find something that makes you feel good!

 

[AmberCutie]

I come at this from a background of entrepreneurship. Nobody owes you anything, and even non-paying fans are worth having around to generate word of mouth, "social proof" and so on. If a model chooses to get naked in public, they can't complain that there are guys who didn't tip for it. Giving away "free content" has a lot of rationale behind it. It will get you more fans, and then you have to figure out a way to monetize or "convert" those fans (convince them to spend money). If you conclude that some of those fans will never tip big, try to find ways to let them tip small amounts and feel like they're contributing.

Anyway, I didn't come here to give business advice.

Different cam girls have different point of view on this, but I will agree that you make a good point here. I'm on the side that giving out super cheap or free content once in a while is good for business in the long run. It's one of the reasons I don't waste my time tracking down capped recordings of my shows on tube sites.

But I am one of the people who feel like I can expect to at least make a handful of tokens just for being on cam and talking and flirting and sharing my time with people, as I believe that's still providing a service to a lot of people. I feel it's a justified sense of entitlement. I would feel bad about the entitlement if I merely sat on my ass during every cam shift, not saying a word to anyone. I doubt most people would disagree with that.

 

[Ambers Troll]

I don't think it follows that any cam girl who enjoys any degree of success develops feelings of entitlement and superiority, but I don't think it's at all surprising that attractive people who are paid hundreds (sometimes thousands) of dollars for their looks and their personality each and every week; who are told day in and day out by literally hundreds of strangers that they're beautiful, that they're perfect; who are backed by dozens and dozens of people in every argument, every conflict they find themselves in, who are thought of so highly by people that they're even paid and showered with gifts when they're not working... I don't think it's surprising that some of these girls develop some of the character traits that the OP mentions.

That's a decent summary. Honestly, there are only a handful of models I've ever seen camming that made me think, "wow, she is incredibly hot". Usually those are Eastern European or Russian, don't speak very good English, and disappear after a short period of time. Fashion models who are struggling to make ends meet. The MFC Top 20 (even top 100) every month is full of average, slightly above average, and slightly below average women when it comes to looks, who think they're supermodels.

Entitlement, superiority complexes, and average women topping MFC each month, how could you think that? Average looking women can do well, but they must have exceptional personality. There are also very many with exceptional physical beauty, of these I have yet to meet one of these models that acted entitled or superior. As Bob suggested, it would not be surprising, but in my experience it doesn't seem to happen.
Most models seem pretty stable emotionally, big personality disorders are rare in my experiences. This was actually one of my favourite things about paying for camming, less drama and more fun. I really liked their stabilizing effect on the experiences.

Many models simply are, with no ego, 'that hot'. I would suggest that the OP is being thrown off by the popularity rather than the model.

 

[Fay_Galore]

I've been biting my tongue, but what i really dont get OP, why are you posting this? do you really think those few girls who are so conditioned and seem bratty are going to read your (quite aggravated) post, and think "ohyeah, he's totally right, I should change!". The only thing you're really accomplishing here is generalising a group of women who don't have much in common except for the fact they stream at a camsite.

 

[Joeternal]

That's a decent summary. Honestly, there are only a handful of models I've ever seen camming that made me think, "wow, she is incredibly hot". Usually those are Eastern European or Russian, don't speak very good English, and disappear after a short period of time. Fashion models who are struggling to make ends meet. The MFC Top 20 (even top 100) every month is full of average, slightly above average, and slightly below average women when it comes to looks, who think they're supermodels.

I truly don't understand this. Either you have really unique views on feminine beauty, you live next to top model agency, or there is some sour grapes speaking. The average MFC is attractive. The vast majority of top 20 models are between beautiful and gorgeous. The cover models/Pets for the Jan and Feb Penthouse are both MFC models. I don't think the Penthouse stayed in business (ok it's struggling now) all these years by putting slight above average woman on their covers. I guarantee if you entered pictures of the top 20 girls in a iamhotornot-like website they are going to score way higher than 5.

Now you are more likely to see top 20 girl, sans perfect makeup than a Victoria Secret model, and that impacts the illusion. The reason some top 20 models think they are supermodels and few cases act like it, is cause they are closer to being supermodel hot than an average girl.

Just because someone thinks they're more attractive than they are, doesn't mean they're completely unattractive. Get it?

 

[Joeternal]

I've been biting my tongue, but what i really dont get OP, why are you posting this? do you really think those few girls who are so conditioned and seem bratty are going to read your (quite aggravated) post, and think "ohyeah, he's totally right, I should change!". The only thing you're really accomplishing here is generalising a group of women who don't have much in common except for the fact they stream at a camsite.

I think I've made the point too well. It doesn't apply to every model, but it applies to more than a few. If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, don't worry about it.

 

[Ambers Troll]

I've been biting my tongue, but what i really dont get OP, why are you posting this? do you really think those few girls who are so conditioned and seem bratty are going to read your (quite aggravated) post, and think "ohyeah, he's totally right, I should change!". The only thing you're really accomplishing here is generalising a group of women who don't have much in common except for the fact they stream at a camsite.

I think the post is valid enough, but not really any question to models, more a general post on cam girls. Think he wants to know why attitude and ego are so prevalent in models? ... so much so that he is finding it hard to tip anyone he likes.

I think he is finding things to label ego/ attitude, when the model is most likely just avoiding time wasters in most cases. Perhaps you all can suggest what you look for in a member that you know he wants to tip you? I wouldn't mind hearing that myself.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

I wonder how many of these members who complain about a model's sense of entitlement are just seeing their own sense of entitlement reflected back at them.

 

[MrRodry]

I've been biting my tongue, but what i really dont get OP, why are you posting this? do you really think those few girls who are so conditioned and seem bratty are going to read your (quite aggravated) post, and think "ohyeah, he's totally right, I should change!". The only thing you're really accomplishing here is generalising a group of women who don't have much in common except for the fact they stream at a camsite.

I think the post is valid enough, but not really any question to models, more a general post on cam girls. Think he wants to know why attitude and ego are so prevalent in models? ... so much so that he is finding it hard to tip anyone he likes.

I think he is finding things to label ego/ attitude, when the model is most likely just avoiding time wasters in most cases. Perhaps you all can suggest what you look for in a member that you know he wants to tip you? I wouldn't mind hearing that myself.

I think he is looking for a excuse to not tip and found this one.

 

[Joeternal]

Different cam girls have different point of view on this, but I will agree that you make a good point here. I'm on the side that giving out super cheap or free content once in a while is good for business in the long run. It's one of the reasons I don't waste my time tracking down capped recordings of my shows on tube sites.

I think tracking down piracy makes total sense, especially if the model wants to maintain control of her privacy (like making sure her family doesn't find out). When I said "free content" I was talking about public shows.

But I am one of the people who feel like I can expect to at least make a handful of tokens just for being on cam and talking and flirting and sharing my time with people, as I believe that's still providing a service to a lot of people. I feel it's a justified sense of entitlement. I would feel bad about the entitlement if I merely sat on my ass during every cam shift, not saying a word to anyone. I doubt most people would disagree with that.

I disagree. I think logging on, hanging out and chatting, and being personable is just showing up for a cam girl. You can't expect to be paid for that. And tips that aren't for any type of show or anything you're selling should be viewed as gifts, and treated with the appropriate appreciation. Those guys should be VIPs, even if the tips aren't that big, as long as they aren't assholes. If somebody tips you to take your bra off, whatever. Quid pro quo. If somebody tips you solely because they like you, you should act the same way you would act if a guy handed you a flower, or a piece of jewelry, depending on how big the tip is. Because that's what it is, a gift.

 

[Joeternal]

I think he is looking for a excuse to not tip and found this one.

No, I've been getting a bit tired of the attitude of many cam girls, which means not logging on at all, or logging on for a minute, finding nobody I want to tip, and logging off.

 

[SarahLove]

If somebody tips you to take your bra off, whatever. Quid pro quo.

So it's just a transaction, model doesn't even need to thank the member then, right? It would be extra credit to politely thank a person for paying for their goods.

 

[LilyMarie]

And tips that aren't for any type of show or anything you're selling should be viewed as gifts, and treated with the appropriate appreciation. Those guys should be VIPs, even if the tips aren't that big, as long as they aren't assholes. If somebody tips you to take your bra off, whatever. Quid pro quo. If somebody tips you solely because they like you, you should act the same way you would act if a guy handed you a flower, or a piece of jewelry, depending on how big the tip is. Because that's what it is, a gift.

But... but that's what we do.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I think he is looking for a excuse to not tip and found this one.

No, I've been getting a bit tired of the attitude of many cam girls, which means not logging on at all, or logging on for a minute, finding nobody I want to tip, and logging off.

Then go... why are you taking it so personally that YOU don't like watching cams anymore?

Er sorry... that you don't like webcams... I guess... er something. :violin:

 

[Joeternal]

And tips that aren't for any type of show or anything you're selling should be viewed as gifts, and treated with the appropriate appreciation. Those guys should be VIPs, even if the tips aren't that big, as long as they aren't assholes. If somebody tips you to take your bra off, whatever. Quid pro quo. If somebody tips you solely because they like you, you should act the same way you would act if a guy handed you a flower, or a piece of jewelry, depending on how big the tip is. Because that's what it is, a gift.

But... but that's what we do.

When it comes to higher ranked models, you would be surprised.

 

[Joeternal]

I think he is looking for a excuse to not tip and found this one.

No, I've been getting a bit tired of the attitude of many cam girls, which means not logging on at all, or logging on for a minute, finding nobody I want to tip, and logging off.

Then go... why are you taking it so personally that YOU don't like watching cams anymore?

Er sorry... that you don't like webcams... I guess... er something. :violin:

I think everybody knows how it is getting into an internet discussion. It tends to drag on. People have asked me questions and replied to my posts. I've tried to answer some of them.

 

[Starling]

I am puzzled as to who you are watching if you think this type of behavior is predominant. Truly, absolutely puzzled.

:?

 

[JoleneBrody]

I think he is looking for a excuse to not tip and found this one.

No, I've been getting a bit tired of the attitude of many cam girls, which means not logging on at all, or logging on for a minute, finding nobody I want to tip, and logging off.

Then go... why are you taking it so personally that YOU don't like watching cams anymore?

Er sorry... that you don't like webcams... I guess... er something. :violin:

I think everybody knows how it is getting into an internet discussion. It tends to drag on. People have asked me questions and replied to my posts. I've tried to answer some of them.

You started the thread and that's what I was actually referring to.

This is bizarre behavior.

 

[Joeternal]

This is bizarre behavior.

I explained why I posted it. I was a bit irritated.

I am puzzled as to who you are watching if you think this type of behavior is predominant. Truly, absolutely puzzled.

:?

I'm not going to name names. But I could.

 

[JoleneBrody]

This is just embarrassing now... good luck sir! I hope you find some good energy somewhere that elevates your life.

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

Two points:

1) It's completely understandable for someone self-employed to be frustrated when there's a stretch when they don't make much profit. That said, it does no good to get mad at the market. MFC's strategy is to pull in as much traffic as possible by advertising that you can watch for free. People who are merely a little curious will come and take a look. Most will take a look and leave. Some will like what they see and keep watching for free and not feel bad about that because, hey, they say it's free. A small percentage will take the plunge and become premiums. Of those, a lot will just pay the $20 once to get "premium privileges" and never buy more tokens. Most of your business on MFC is going to come from those relatively few people who came there already planning on tipping or who took a look and decided they liked it enough to stay around even though they were going to have to spend money (because they enjoy tipping, want to be nice, or just think it's the right thing to do). Rather than get mad at the people who don't tip, who are probably not going to tip no matter what you do, I think your energies are better spent trying to build a good connection with the group of people who already tip. If you inspire a non-tipper to become a tipper, that's awesome, but it's not going to be what pays your bills most of the time.

2) You ARE that hot.

 

[Joeternal]

This is just embarrassing now... good luck sir! I hope you find some good energy somewhere that elevates your life.

You too.

 

[ACFFAN69]

This is bizarre behavior.

I've been biting my tongue but just to put things into perspective, this thread is coming from the same gentleman that thought MFC should have the options to search by relationship status and sexual preference:

https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewt ... 15&t=17313

I think explaining camming as a job to him might be a bit of a lost cause. :?

 

[JoleneBrody]

This is bizarre behavior.

I've been biting my tongue but just to put things into perspective, this thread is coming from the same gentleman that thought MFC should have the options to search by relationship status and sexual preference:

https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewt ... 15&t=17313

I think explaining camming as a job to him might be a bit of a lost cause. :?

OH YEAH! hahahahahaha ok I actually feel better, he was already on another planet!