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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:59 pm 
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I'm a member in MFC for about 2 weeks now, i noticed that there is a girl called SuzySmartz and she brought a few of her friends to model in MFC as well. seems like their friends would like to show nudity but suzy doesn't allow them, she is telling them that she signed them under a special contract that doesnt allow them to show nudity in MFC and if they will then MFC will ban them.

it's very stupid and wrong that she isn't showing nudity on a porn site, specially when she is getting into groups and privates with customers who thinks that they are going to see her nude in group or private, they are spending a lot of their hard earn cash and getting zero nudity, i think MFC shouldn't allow that OR they should place a very very big tag saying that this girl doesn't show nudity otherwise it's just scam.

also it's more stupid that she isn't allowing her friends to show nudity even that MFC does allow them to.


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:lol: I heard suzy mention this months ago........ is there really a different contract? I always thought it was bullshit when she said it. Why would mfc bother with non-nude. As far as i know girls are free to run their room how they like as long as they don't break any of the "rules" :whistle:

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Eh.


Well, if they're not going to get naked within the first 60 seconds models are supposed to say so.

But this isn't a "porn site." It's a Cam Site.

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It's a porn site.

Why else would they need to comply with this law?

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As far as I know, all the Smartz crew make it clear BEFORE any pvt/group session that they are non-nude models. Whenever I see a girl with Smartz on her nickname, I already know she won't go nude. Now, if they have a special contract, it must be between them and Suzy, not with MFC. If yes and the girl wants to go nude, they should reach a deal. Although I don't think such contract can have any legal value.

I know that Blaire - also non-nude - is a friend of Suzy, but she does not have the "Smartz" on her nickname. I don't know how these girls define "non-nude", but Blaire shows nipples in pvt/group. Like flashing for 2 or 3 seconds, but she does.

If Suzy is forbidding the girls from going nude, it makes no sense. Suzy is a non-nude model and she is honest enough to make it clear. But if a friend of hers wants to go nude... Let the bird fly.

Unless... Suzy might be trying to create a brand - the Smartz girls. A group of girls that never go nude. Well, she kinda created already. So, in this case, she is making sure that none of her girls get naked. And she might have a deal (not a contract) with MFC to only allow her girls to have "Smartz" on the nickname.

Note: I visited Suzy's room 2 or 3 times and I never talked to her. So, the last paragraph is just a theory based on what I have seen happening on other camsites.

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Well, if they're not going to get naked within the first 60 seconds models are supposed to say so.

I think this rule does not exist anymore. I remember a Latvian girl arguing with me that there is nothing saying that she must get naked or say she won't do it within 1 minute. Of course, she was not telling anybody that she was a non-nude model. I searched for it on wiki.myfreecams, and indeed, there is nothing about it anymore.


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It's a porn site.

Why else would they need to comply with this law?

http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/18_U.S. ... _Statement

2257 compliance by MFC does not create an obligation for individual models to perform in a sexually explicit manner. I think Alex was making the distinction between "porn site" and "cam site" because at MFC we are dealing with a performer in real time and that the performance depends on interaction with the viewer(s) and is not always explicit, which is different from porn.

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Specifically states "This is not a porn site" here. Many of the girls do get nude and do pornographic/adult-oriented shows which is why they talk of complying with laws regarding those.

As far as the Smartz girls... I'm a non-public nude myself-- I just don't care to give it all away for free, and I want the privacy. Not to mention that the second I flash or something, I have an army of basics begging and demanding for more that I have to tell to shut the fuck up. I've been in some Smartz rooms a few times but never spent much time in there, but from what I've seen on her site, I really don't appreciate the attitude that taking your clothes off is a sign of a lack of self-respect or dignity.

Or this dichotomy seemingly put forward (especially by the Smartz Pledge post) that you have to either be completely non-nude, or be a classless 'whore' that sticks baseball bats up her ass for 20 tokens.

I'm neither. I won't do anything more than flashes in public (though I have in the past), but I do strip in group or private, and I have plenty of dignity, thank you very much. I can appreciate the idea of entertaining without resorting to simply showing your body, but don't say I don't have enough self-respect in order to go nude.

And I don't know if the part about her forbidding the other models to go nude, is true, but if it is that's certainly weird.


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Ok, so when the last guy tipped and I 'sold' him my body, does that mean the next guy that tips, has to give the tokens to the last guy who tipped since he now owns me cos I sold him my body? I'm confused.

I think it's bullshit. I'm all for non-nude models, as I am for fundamentalists and aggressive sales people. Until they start putting out ignorant judgements and opinions about things they think they understand.

I don't sell anything other than my time and entertainment. You could say that any person who uses their physicality for their work sells their body. We don't see fucking do-gooders setting up victim support for construction workers or surgeons do we?

Obviously their are circumstances where humans are exploited and put into situations beyond their control in the sex industry, but her broad generalisation that cam girls who get naked on cam are beaten down women with low esteem and that we are selling ourselves too short is a wild lie. I will NOT be making any pledge to the Smartz cult or whatever it is.

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I normally don't care much about gossip but had to share this - one of the girls has removed the Smartz name, profile doesn't mention anything about being non-nude anymore, and by the comments on her wall she's no longer non-nude and isn't the only Smartz to have done so, apparently.


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Looks like they're a group of feminists, which is both why they won't get naked and any girl who isn't a Smartz is a whore.

"It’s not whoredoms that I want to rant about, it’s dignity. I can’t believe how women take their bodies to the utmost bottom level of sales, sticking random objects up themselves to make RENT!"


But she has good intentions;

"It’s not that I’m against nudity, personally. It’s just that in the entertaining realm, in the “adult site” realm, you can make nudity sexy as hell, and still not raw and raunchy. I know some women enjoy it, and let them be who they want to be, but it’s just sad to see the ones who want different. I want to help the women on cam who look sad, and don’t know they can be entertaining in way more wholesome and fun ways, than doing a cucumber."


She's targeting the models who do stupid shit because they can't seem to figure out how to get tokens -and- have fun. While I also try to encourage other models to have fun on camera, I don't think that they have to quit masturbating to do so.

She needs to stop only seeing the extremes and find a middle ground.

I mean, I'm sure a lot of people agree that models should be 100% themselves and so on; but we can have dignity and pleasure. To be honest this Smartz girl's rant makes her seem like one of those wives who will never have sex with her husband because she doesn't enjoy it and she thinks it's selfish of him to want to get laid.


I hope we hear feedback from her.

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I really dont understand why just because you get naked on a cam site and pleasure yourself, you have no respect and dignity. It is really annoying. Maybe some people ACTUALLY enjoy it. I mean who doesnt like maserbating!? I personally used to do this kinda stuff for free before MFC because I love to be watched, so when someone told me I could get paid for it and not have to work in a restaurant or bar, I jumped on it. Oy, that pledge makes my blood boil sorry...

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Besides! How CAN men be equal to women on an adult site?

Seriously.


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Women have the upper hand in sex in today's society.

A guy who does this makes very little and is traffeced primarily by a few homosexual or bisexual males.

But a girl can get hundreds of people easily, male and female. Hell girls looking for something sexual even if they're straight as far as a camsite goes are more likely to come to a camgirl site it seems.

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hehe.. seems she is playing a role in a big game that can have many winners.

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Well her shock tactics work and seems to get people stirred up. :)

Now you know her pledge and purpose.

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As far as SuzySmartz...I couldn't stand being in her room for more than a couple minutes. To each their own and there will always be snobs and bitches who think they are better than everyone else.

If you still don't think MFC is a porn site...maybe the legal definition of pornography would help:

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The representation in books, magazines, photographs, films, and other media of scenes of sexual behavior that are erotic or lewd and are designed to arouse sexual interest.

Pornography is the depiction of sexual behavior that is intended to arouse sexual excitement in its audience.


That doesn't mean it's bad. A good portion of prime time television can fall under the legal definition at times too.

Just because someone says it isn't a porn site doesn't mean it's true. Even the so-called rules are laughable because on any given day you could probably find atleast 50% of them being broken.

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Urination or defecation, "going to the bathroom".
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Incest (sexual relations involving family members).
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I think that MFC should place a category like the other big cam sites does (imlive, streamate and etc..), a category that called "non nude" and place all of the girls who wish to be non nude models in that category, they will get a lot less visitors/tips/etc.. but they won't be able to SCAM anyone.

I think that Suzy is SCAM!, sometimes she saying that she is non nude but most of the time she doesn't, but even when she is saying 90% of the customers thinks that later on in group/pvt/etc.. they'll get some nipple slips and stuff like that. all of her business is based on customers who thinks that they'll get to see her nude but they doesn't, nobody really care about her, nobody really wanna talk to here, eveybody just waiting to see her nude or semi nude.

I think That MFC must make that CLEAR and created a special category called NON NUDE and allow that kind of models to broadcast only in that Category so only customers who agree from the first place to pay for NON NUDE shows will enter that category.

Please tell me what do you think about:

1. Is SUZY is A SCAM in your opinion ?
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I don't think it's a scam at all. It's quite clear on her site that she's non-nude.

It may not be stated on her profile and she may not point it out every 5 seconds, but based on comments on her profile everyone knows what her room is about.


Also, no. MFC should not have categories.

They encourage models to be themselves; not fit to a script or a "title."

If one signed up as a non-nude, that'd be against what MFC wants. Just as we don't have a "black" or "anal" page.

Other sites have things like that and it's one of the ways MFC sets themselves apart from it.

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No model is a "scam".

Scam, by definition, means "intention to fraud someone". As AlexLady stated, if it's in her profile with comments, then there really is no fraud. Many guys call fraud if it is only something they not agree with about a model or they assumed something about the model and it did not live up to expectations. But no model works on site to scam anyone.

Give an example... Model Salminka... MANY guys call her a scam, but it is only because on her wall, she blasts about bad customers. lol. She is only stating the obvious and giving warnings to other models, but does not mean she scammed anyone.

Words can have an impact if implied wrongly.

Now, for categories? Other sites that have categories are starting to do away with them because... guess what?... People claimed scam!! Very true! Girls were getting MISCATEGORIZED and had no control over it. For example... A model under category blonde, has changed her hair color to brunette (Guys claimed scam)... A model under other categories WANTED to be under "New and Hot" to get customers. All models can NOT be under "New and Hot". lol. So, most sites are doing away with it.

MFC already categorizes models... The top models appear first on the list when you log in. Also, you can see "In Private" and "Group Show" categorized at the beginning also. So, there IS a sort of category!!

But why does it matter... AmberCutie, and her friends, should be a category in itself. lol.

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pkryosef wrote:
1. Is SUZY is A SCAM in your opinion ?
2. Does MFC should create that kind of category ?

1. Are you serious? The girl makes clear that she is a non-nude model. If a guy takes her in pvt hoping to watch a hardcore show is because he didn't take 2 minutes to read her profile.

2. Who would make sure the girl is in the right category? This wouldn't be easy and soon many girls would start complaining they were wrongly categorized.

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1. Is SUZY is A SCAM in your opinion ?
2. Does MFC should create that kind of category ?

1. No. Nothing is guaranteed. If you have a question about what a model does or does not do in pvts or groups you can ask before spending your precious tokens.

2. No. There's plenty of information available already. Are you in some kind of hurry?

At another site I visit, you commit to a certain number of minutes with a model for private chats before you start, and there is no opportunity to can discuss the nature of what you may expect. The shows are billed as "softcore", but you and the model are alone in the room. You can extend your time if you and the model agree, but the minutes you committed to are withdrawn from your account at the start whether you got your rocks off or not. In a case like that, I can see the point of letting members know what models do and don't do, but not at MFC where you can bail at any time.

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I was just told by someone in PM that Suzy herself used to show nudity in a site called stickam about a year ago, she showed it for free, assuming that's true i don't really understand why now on MFC she isn't willing to show nudity when she used to do it for free all the time on other websites.


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pkryosef wrote:
I was just told by someone in PM that Suzy herself used to show nudity in a site called stickam about a year ago, she showed it for free, assuming that's true i don't really understand why now on MFC she isn't willing to show nudity when she used to do it for free all the time on other websites.


I've heard about a couple that were skinheads and went around doing nasty skinhead type things, until they found out they were of Jewish decent. Now they have embraced their Jewish heritage.

People chance dude, get over it.

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MFC has the model explorer to help you narrow down a certain type, based on answers to profile questions.

They also updated this with the new preview pics, it now shows you the room topic as well.

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What upsets me is that a lot of girls think that feminism means that they don't explore their sexuality. I am a feminist; AND I play with myself for men/girls.

I would like to point those interested to a documentary titled "Live Nude Girls Unite!" which is about a peep show that gets unionized in the 90's. That peep show is one of the very last ones in the US and is currently still unionized and co-op.


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pkryosef wrote:
I was just told by someone in PM that Suzy herself used to show nudity in a site called stickam about a year ago, she showed it for free, assuming that's true i don't really understand why now on MFC she isn't willing to show nudity when she used to do it for free all the time on other websites.


Damn. You must really have a hard-on for Suzy.

Maybe she has her reasons. Maybe she had bad experiences doing nude shows. Maybe she had one too many assholes told her that they wanted to ram their 18-inch dick up her asshole with no lube. Maybe one too many assholes treated her like a sexbot with no feelings.

She will not show with a cat. She will not show in a hat. She's full of herself and thinks she's better than girls who do cams naked. Tut tut and get on with your life. There are infinitely worse people in this world to be outraged about than a prissy girl who won't strip for us on webcam.

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I was just told by someone in PM that Suzy herself used to show nudity in a site called stickam about a year ago, she showed it for free, assuming that's true i don't really understand why now on MFC she isn't willing to show nudity when she used to do it for free all the time on other websites.


Damn. You must really have a hard-on for Suzy.

Maybe she has her reasons. Maybe she had bad experiences doing nude shows. Maybe she had one too many assholes told her that they wanted to ram their 18-inch dick up her asshole with no lube. Maybe one too many assholes treated her like a sexbot with no feelings.

She will not show with a cat. She will not show in a hat. She's full of herself and thinks she's better than girls who do cams naked. Tut tut and get on with your life. There are infinitely worse people in this world to be outraged about than a prissy girl who won't strip for us on webcam.


THIS! :clap:

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I too applaud Sevrin's post.


Hey wait a second... I feel like... yeah. Deja vu. I've totally liked a post by Sevrin before.


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If you read through "Rules for Models", you might notice something.

There's a list of rules for what we can't do.

As far as I'm aware, the only rule that says a model has to do something, is actually worded as a can't.

A model MUST show her face. She doesn't have to show it at all times, but it must happen. She cannot remain a faceless being.

To me, that says more than anything that the creators of MFC did not want fakes. They even list in the wiki that some models are shy, and do not show. That it's good to ask a girl first what she will and will not do. That it's considered rude to pressure a model to do something she doesn't want to do. At least, it was when I was reading into the site before becoming a model.

That, and the fact that they claimed to have a site made "for geeks, by geeks". :P

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I would have thought suzy and co would be allowed to break the rules since she does the mfc promotion at shows.


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I've never heard of a Smartz contract, that sounds kinda like BS to me.


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