Lol..... I've actually become a lot closer to that particular woman over time.... This model, even with her personality pathology, is very skilled at reading men (I think) and she has picked up on that...hence all the digs she started throwing out there.
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A model seeking love and a future with a client? Or a manipulative romance scammer? One year anniversary! Ideas and impressions sought, please.
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To be honest, in those last couple of interactions, I've had way more emotional distance from this -- there's been some sarcasm in my responses. I could have been rude or just cut it off, but whatever...it was what it was. In some ways, I feel even a little sorry for this woman. If this is all just her - her real personality (not a complete put on for a scam), I am not sure what that would be like for her in going about real life with other humans.
I don't totally agree. To be honest, I've enjoyed refusing to buy stuff for her. And kind of started to get a kick out of her escalating insults.
I won't argue with this. But I needed to stop about three months into the situation...that's the real truth. A week more or less now, to me, isn't all that significant. But the point is understood.
A comment: As to whatever issues I might have that led me to go down a long, dysfunctional path with this model: JohnOfC aka Matsjka aka (Insert Next Alias) may be a real nutcase. This is a guy who in the same thread lectured me on how irrational I was being, yet also told us about the skillful scams used by Russian studios...yet then told us that he has been active on MFC for a decade....while at the same time saying that porn (including webcamming) turns you into a Beta Male and has ruined a generation of men. I don't know that much about this business (and I wish I had spent more time having fun visiting other models and just having fun with it all). But this person, knowing how obsessed he seems to be (to the point of trying to find out the name of the model and pretending he spoke to her!), makes we appreciate that models must have to deal with a lot. (Apparently, you have to be wary of a lot of different kinds of people who are attracted to the sites). If he's this obsessive with this thread and the strangers (to him) who are involved....what's he like as a "client"?
From reading your description and her quoted dialogue, I think she has some kind of personality disorder and probably is incapable of forming healthy relationships. She may have antisocial personality disorder and is a sociopath, I don't know and I'm not qualified to have an opinion. But I don't think of her as a cold calculating love con woman. I think that she would do a better job at it if she was. Her behaviour is actually dysfunctional and clearly self-defeating.
It would be nice if he did seek help but realistically these incel antifem "men's rights" people don't think that they are the ones with the problem. It's our fault that we're repulsed by them.
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There comes a point where you have to put yourself first George. Good work. Some people are just toxic. Try to figure out what went wrong, or where things started to slide, so that hopefully you don't end up with another person like this.
Continue to hold your boundaries and stand strong.
Also, sorry about the weird troll, I don't know what to say about that... That's just purely bizarre. It's not often I'm lost for words on anything, but... um... yeah.
Same as the last 2 years.
Typing/ video calling / working with / playing with her, 12-16 hours day , 6 days a week, 6-9 Months of the year
& Living with her in Colombia the other 3-6 Months a year.
Due to move in with her again for another 3-6 months in May 2023
While working my real job online 12-16 hours a day... since I manage a global company in Oceania / Asia / East Europe / West Europe / Usa + Latam
So I have to flick through the timezones (work hours) of the offices throughout the day.
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I mainly drop into here occationally, when looking for extra information on a topic she needs help with.
And i've not needed help with anything for a couple of months.
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But since my bad internet is being replaced with a fast, unlimited transfers, Elon satelite, in a couple of weeks.
I might add in the multi tasking of broadcasting myself soon, again.
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It never fails to amuse me how much you think we give a shit
I’m still confused about how you can move your global operations (and six monitors) from Australia to Colombia without incurring horrendous shipping charges.
The one with the Russian girlfriends was probably me. I didn't say they told me not to buy them things. But they never demanded or expected me to spends thousands on them regularly for things like iPhones. If they needed something expensive we would discuss it, decide what they actually needed and I would decide what I could afford at the time. I have a feeling that the culture in Kazan is fairly different from Ukraine. They're still pissed off about Ivan the Terrible conquering them in 1552.
I have to say, at this late stage, I didn't expect someone to step in and champion the model. Before anyone else gets the chance, I'm claiming the film rights to this one. There's fucking miles in this one yet. I reckon I could turn it into a Star Wars style, 9 episode epic.
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No. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not a helpless girl who needs to be saved by a man. Fuck no.
- a Slavic woman
It never fails to amuse me how ... everytime i come to the forum to look up a bit of information.
Theres always many feeling the need to reply, ask, question, input, into my relationship.
I have an office, 2 monitors, etc etc at her house, that I plug the laptop into when I land. For my work.
And use her computers and monitors for her work.
Cant use one computer/laptop for multi purpose, due to work security, custom checks, etc etc.
I don't think you read Lilly's post properly at all. She didn't question your relationship.
She questioned the constant stream of Gordon Gecko "I work 12-16 hours a day, run the world, eating is for wimps" kind of bullshit that you always come here spouting.
Take that shit to LinkedIn where people will no doubt masturbate over it.
Nobody has asked you to overshare about your relationship, work and personal life. You’ve done that all on your own.
Your posts where you type itemized paragraphs about all the things you do for your girlfriend and how important your job is, sometimes without any prompt, has the opposite of what is probably your intended affect. It doesn’t make you look cool or important. It makes you look very insecure and it’s cringe-y to read. Because it’s so cringeworthy that’s why you get the feedback you’ve gotten.
Not only did she express it first, but it was after we had been communicating for about 3-4 weeks. And she later said (which I put somewhere in this thread) that she knew within 1.5 months that I was someone of real significant to her in a romantic way. This is part of the reason why I was skeptical and also why a lot of people in this thread said that it's a hallmark of a scammer to begin professing romantic feelings so quickly.
That was the original purpose of my post: actual confusion about her intentions. I was looking for opinions of other models and members about the situation.
What does innocence have to do with it? Of course I can't post 12 months of conversations but I can assure you that the majority of our conversations were very fun, and many were also really affectionate. You seem to have some clear biases but you aren't understanding that this is a person I actually had genuine feelings for. The reason that I made the post in the first place was because after an entire year, it was still confusing as to what her actual intentions were. Specifically: Does she really want a relationship? Is this all serious? She wants to meet and move from her country? Or is this just a long con? A trail of bread crumbs to keep a guy sending money and giving gifts for years?
Where it started to get frayed was in recent months when the requests for help started to read more liked demands AND I also began to notice discrepancies (and some outright lies). It started to become more and more about her trying to get a big flow of money and an assertion I should basically be supporting her. I get what you are saying about Slavic cultures (and others), but this isn't supporting a girlfriend...this is supporting someone I've never met in person and who had yet to even commit to visiting!
You took that out of context but as noted, this is from one of our latter conversations, by which point things were getting ugly...just lots of entitlement from her...and even some insults thrown in for good measure. But again - don't miss the point: Whether or not her previous boyfriends supported her or gave her lots of nice gifts -- I was NOT her boyfriend! She wanted me to provide money and gifts AS THOUGH I was a real life boyfriend....and after a point, that also raised some red flags.
You clearly have some biases. I get it that you endorse the notion that the rich guy is supposed to come in and "buy" the girlfriend (and that's a notion lots of people have, not just in Slavic cultures). But you rare missing the fact that I thought for a long time that this woman and I were genuinely close. Still, some of her statements are outrageously narcissistic and entitled, as I look back on them. I don't feel superior to her and I was genuinely interested in her....but over time, it started to come across increasingly sketchy. I wouldn't take issue with it if her goal was simply, "I want to find a guy with money who I like, to get me out of Russia." That would at least be sincere. What I WOULD have an issue with is someone blatantly lying to someone for a year about having feelings they didn't have -- purely to extract as much money as possible. That's just a scam. And from what others here have said, it's a scam common in studios in Eastern Europe and Russia.
You saw snippets from the very last couple of interactions after an entire year of conversations that were each sometimes 2-3 hours duration. By that point, I was "over" multiple aspects of the situation... I won't make this thread any crazier but I could post long transcripts that look like two people who are very "into" each other and believe me, I was very respectful and didn't at all "look down" on her. But after a point, when one starts to wonder if one is being conned, it has an adverse effect....
I'm guessing you are young enough not to have grown up under the Soviet Union. Back then most of that was never an option. They could complain all they wanted, they weren't going to be handed it. There was a lot of pride in being independent, they were survivors. If they ended up with one of the rare boyfriends with money they could ask or expect things. But they were few and far between in the 90s outside Moscow that weren't involved in crime. They would watch what you describe on tv, if they had one, and wish. As an example both of my girlfriends were doctors, one was a surgeon. She was paid $100 a month. Drugstores sold medical packs that included scapels, needles, tubing etc. People would buy them before going in because due to lack of resources the hospitals would reuse thing that were not meant to be and couldn't be completely sterilized. This was in the 2000s.
I'm guessing the difference in our perception is based on generation and location. Ukraine was always more exposed to western economies than most of Russia.
From my Canadian perspective, fuck that noise.
I don't want "saving" with costly gifts. I don't want anyone I'm in a relationship with to question my motives or have any doubt that I'm there with him because I want to be with him. I for damn sure expect to be respected as a human being and a grown woman.
I don't want "saving" with costly gifts. I don't want anyone I'm in a relationship with to question my motives or have any doubt that I'm there with him because I want to be with him. I for damn sure expect to be respected as a human being and a grown woman.
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And vice versa.
I don't care where a woman is from or what her history is, if she's looking at me as a walking wallet or some sort of saviour to rescue her, then I'm not interested. Sure if a relationship is established, then of course I would *assist* with things, that's what a relationship is: a *partnership*.
Your stereotyping aside... That example wouldn't apply here, would it now? Because this woman isn't my wife or even a girlfriend. As others pointed out, she's basically a stranger I only know from the internet and have never even met in person.
Here's a question: Is it common in Slavic culture for a woman to ask a man she don't really know and has never even met to wire thousands of dollars per month to her for "expenses"?
I don't know the answer but I happened to come across an article recently saying that "love scams" are at a record high and warning that a big proportion of the total worldwide originate out of Russia and Ukraine. So...just sayin'...
So sorry that people in Russia have it rough but doesn't obligate me to buy iPhones and pay veterinary bills for a stranger. Happy to buy nice things when we actually meet and start dating.
I'm not trying to argue with you, your experiences are what they are. I'm simply pointing out that they don't necessarily apply to all Slavic women or countries.
I remember the tour groups, when I read about them I was appalled and very sad. Nobody should have to go through that, they sounded like slave auctions. I met my girlfriends professionally. My point about the Soviet Union is that the farther you get from the west the deeper the lingering effects are culturally.
I enjoy your posts and I respect your opinion.
I agree and it works both ways. Yeah, I do pretty good financially. Not wealthy but certainly comfortable. Do I want someone whose ONLY interest in me is as a means to pull them out of poverty? No. I don't remember the model said it somewhere in this thread about "my" model's constant demands (combined with brazen admissions of how she manipulates men), but I loved the statement: "You're a man, not a wallet."
I'm being facetious when I say "stranger." What I'm saying is echoing what many people in this thread pointed out (and I now realize): Yes, she and I spoke extensively for a year. I THOUGHT we were close. I know I was open and sincere. HOWEVER, there were a lot of red flags that I didn't pay attention to at first (and some I just ignored or hoped would go away). Why? I don't know.... Love? A crush? Difficulty believing that someone could overtly lie so convincingly about having romantic feelings? Maybe several reasons. But the point is...if she was not sincere...IF it was really pure manipulation (as many have suggested), then in a way, she is a stranger.
Not necessarily, but I mentioned in other comment that girls I got to know when I was in studio married guys whom they met on cam. I would say in all the cases guys started off as big tippers and definitely were trying to win girls attention and prove they’re not perverts and are safe to meet irl lol Of course they took them to pvts just to talk, sent nice gifts etc. How else would you stand out from “show feet Joe” and “I marry you baby come to Turkey Omar”? ?
Then “stranger” from Russia is not obligated to care what you’re thinking or inform about her “real feelings” as long as you paying ??you don’t give 3 fucks about the girl why would she ??
lol i love this thread. george is hopeless. john cant stop trying to save george. and 9 monitors dude got bettlejuice'd back to brag about himself.
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