Amazon is uncomfortable with sex workers

[yossarian]

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/amazo ... ish-lists/

I'm sure somebody has posted this in the models' forum, but members might be interested too. Amazon has been deleting the wishlists of sex workers (including porn stars, cam girls, and fetish models) without warning, using reasons that seem like bullshit (like "you want people to buy you the nasty, dirty things we have no problem selling").

 

[CharlotteLace]

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/amazon-sex-worker-wish-lists/

I'm sure somebody has posted this in the models' forum, but members might be interested too. Amazon has been deleting the wishlists of sex workers (including porn stars, cam girls, and fetish models) without warning, using reasons that seem like bullshit (like "you want people to buy you the nasty, dirty things we have no problem selling").

Or maybe their reasoning is more "this is a website for selling products, and shouldn't be used for bartering other services."

I really don't think it has to do with judging us for our jobs, honestly. It's just less of a headache for them.

 

[The Insider]

Or maybe their reasoning is more "this is a website for selling products, and shouldn't be used for bartering other services."

I really don't think it has to do with judging us for our jobs, honestly. It's just less of a headache for them.

Excellent observation that I think many don't see

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I would imagine it's something to do with a large percentage of dudes buying items from girls wishlists and then cancelling the order and generally screwing amazon around, maybe even not paying outstanding funds. Even if you don't have enough money in your account Amazon will let the process go through and will then just follow you up after. I've had this happen once before. They've probably also received idiot dudes complaining to amazon and asking for their money back because they've been "scammed" by a model.

The idea that it's to do with the items is ridiculous seeing as Amazon is selling those items to begin with. It's also a ridiculous idea that they wouldn't be ok with models giving videos/whatever to members who buy them vouchers/items. Those things bring money in for Amazon. Money which Amazon wants. Unlike paypal I'm pretty sure Amazon is more American based and doesn't have culture issues with workers getting in trouble with having anything to do with sex workers. I doubt Amazon cares that much. They may want to make their image less "sexy" and don't want wishlists to look like someone's personal shop, but at the end of the day Amazon seems to care about money more than anything else. Seeing as it's about as immoral as a company can be when it comes to simply wanting to make cash and not caring about how many industries it ruins I very much doubt they give a shit about whether someone's a sex worker or not.

The only thing I can imagine is that the members/fans who are purchasing items for sex workers are causing so many issues and are such a general annoyance that Amazon doesn't feel the extra money is worth it. To be honest, being a camgirl and having communicated with some of the morons of the world I don't really blame them.

 

[JickyJuly]

I would be upset and likely try to shop elsewhere if Amazon took my wish list away, but I don't barter for gifts. Anything I've received is actually a prezzie. Bartering might look like a way to sidestep taxes. I'd be interested in hearing from a few girls who've had theirs removed.

 

[AmberCutie]

I can't imagine the amount of support inquiries they get from disgruntled customers who bought camgirls items off their wishlist that didn't get their content in return. I really don't fault Amazon for their decision. Wishlists weren't supposed to be used that way but SO MANY camgirls and sex workers do. And they may not feel like investing the time and effort into deciding which girls are using it for those purposes and those who use it the way it was intended.

 

[yossarian]

It seems to me if they had a simple explanation like "it causes problems when people cancel orders," they would just say that instead of trying to spin a web of bullshit about "bartering" and "look at these filthy things you're buying from us."

 

[Sevrin]

Didn't this come up in another thread already?

https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewt ... er#p459490

 

[IsabellaSnow]

It seems to me if they had a simple explanation like "it causes problems when people cancel orders," they would just say that instead of trying to spin a web of bullshit about "bartering" and "look at these filthy things you're buying from us."

You'd think... But people are allowed to cancel orders. People probably do it on other accounts too. It'd be harder for Amazon to go through the process of proving these things and would probably be against their privacy policy to give out that information. What would they say? "We keep getting annoying complaints and messages from disgruntled/idiotic dudes". Like seriously, so many guys turn into such complete morons when there's anything to do with a hot woman/porn that even the simplest task suddenly causes a complete meltdown. It'd be a bit hard for Amazon to describe that and would probably come out as though they're discriminating even more.

Seeing as Amazon also has that whole video chat thing they may have had complaints from workers having some weird conversations with dudes. I have a mate who works for Sky and he says that every Saturday night you get a bunch of calls from guys heavily breathing who are clearly jerking off asking for xxx programs.

Amazon clearly isn't getting rid of all camgirl's wishlists so there must be some reason some girls wishlists are being flagged. My guess is very irritating members.

 

[AmberCutie]

It seems to me if they had a simple explanation like "it causes problems when people cancel orders," they would just say that instead of trying to spin a web of bullshit about "bartering" and "look at these filthy things you're buying from us."

I don't think that when they say "inappropriate content" they are referring to the items on their site. I believe they're referring to the content the model may or may not offer in return for items bought on their wishlists.

All of the emails I've seen from Amazon to camgirls in reply to their inquiry has had the bartering and friends and family comments. I can understand girls getting frustrated, but once your account is associated with what many other sex workers are doing it's probably flagged and will continue to get deleted.

This really isn't worthy of the hate that some people spewed at Amazon as a result. It's easy to be narrow minded on the subject when you're affected by it, but looking at the bigger picture, it's completely understandable. Amazon is a huge company and can't be seen as associated with bartering for possible sex acts.

 

[Gen]

I can't imagine the amount of support inquiries they get from disgruntled customers who bought camgirls items off their wishlist that didn't get their content in return. I really don't fault Amazon for their decision. Wishlists weren't supposed to be used that way but SO MANY camgirls and sex workers do. And they may not feel like investing the time and effort into deciding which girls are using it for those purposes and those who use it the way it was intended.

And honestly how many times have people been like "can this gift card be cancelled? Even after I apply it to my account? Can a guy get my address from this? Better ask Amazon support..."; I feel like they must get so many requests for that and what a headache for them to be dealing with chargebacks/refunds because people are using gift cards or wishlist items as a payment processor.

I don't care what Amazon or PayPal do, but I think the Chase bank thing is quite concerning.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

It seems to me if they had a simple explanation like "it causes problems when people cancel orders," they would just say that instead of trying to spin a web of bullshit about "bartering" and "look at these filthy things you're buying from us."

I don't think that when they say "inappropriate content" they are referring to the items on their site. I believe they're referring to the content the model may or may not offer in return for items bought on their wishlists.

All of the emails I've seen from Amazon to camgirls in reply to their inquiry has had the bartering and friends and family comments. I can understand girls getting frustrated, but once your account is associated with what many other sex workers are doing it's probably flagged and will continue to get deleted.

This really isn't worthy of the hate that some people spewed at Amazon as a result. It's easy to be narrow minded on the subject when you're affected by it, but looking at the bigger picture, it's completely understandable. Amazon is a huge company and can't be seen as associated with bartering for possible sex acts.

Exactly.

What is inappropriate is using Amazon gift cards as form of bartering.

She received a reply from a staffer, telling her once again that she had violated Amazon’s terms of service by creating a wish list for “bartering” purposes, that the wish list was intended “for family and friends only,” and that Amazon reserved the right to take down her account without notice... “So I put my wish list back up again, with no text at all.”

Jeez she didn't even have the brains to change the list, honestly none of the people in the article have a leg to stand on.

I'll admit I've suggested Amazon cards as alternative to tokens on a number of occasions. I even have a friend who is using Amazon cards as way to circumvent the state laws on gambling. But it takes real chutzpah to bitch when you knowingly violate a companies terms of services and then they call you on it. The same thing applies to get upset when hosting sites take down adult videos,or social media removes nude pictures. In the same way camgirls have the right to run their rooms how they see fit and set boundaries, companies have the same rights and the same options (i.e. banning) for dealing with those who don't follow the rules.