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Wouldn't the biggest laugh be if 80% of the people signed up there turn out to be single anyway?
I find it really gross to go behind your partner's back to sleep with other people, but it's not like this is a new thing that only happens now that we have Ashley Madison. People who want to cheat have always found ways to cheat. I don't have any statistics or anything on this, but I don't think that Ashley Madison's existence has revolutionized the number of people cheating on their spouses.
It's really creepy that these hackers thought that it was their business to do this. I mean, they don't go to bars and make sure that people who are flirting with other people aren't married, do they? They don't go into work places and make sure that married coworkers don't flirt with each other, right? If I wanted to cheat on someone, I think I could find a whole lot of other ways than using Ashley Madison. The difference is that you hear about these mass numbers of people on a website that is supposed to be for cheating. You can't really place a number on the amount of people who are using bars, work, friends, Facebook, dating sites not intended for cheating, or any other strategy for finding people to cheat with, BUT you can easily hear that over 39 million people are on a website that IS specifically intended for cheating. I think that some people might hear about cheating sites and get their feathers all ruffled over it because it makes them feel vulnerable or scared that their partner could easily go on that site and cheat on them. In reality, the risk your partner could cheat is always there when you're in a relationship, with or without a website for it, and unless you just let go and trust your partner, you'll drive yourself crazy over it.
TL;DR: Ashley Madison may seem to be a gross website to some people, but all it does is provides a platform for something that was already happening all along. They didn't invent cheating. People get really flustered over websites like that because they make them feel insecure, but they should let go/trust their partner/get a hobby.
It's really creepy that these hackers thought that it was their business to do this. I mean, they don't go to bars and make sure that people who are flirting with other people aren't married, do they? They don't go into work places and make sure that married coworkers don't flirt with each other, right? If I wanted to cheat on someone, I think I could find a whole lot of other ways than using Ashley Madison. The difference is that you hear about these mass numbers of people on a website that is supposed to be for cheating. You can't really place a number on the amount of people who are using bars, work, friends, Facebook, dating sites not intended for cheating, or any other strategy for finding people to cheat with, BUT you can easily hear that over 39 million people are on a website that IS specifically intended for cheating. I think that some people might hear about cheating sites and get their feathers all ruffled over it because it makes them feel vulnerable or scared that their partner could easily go on that site and cheat on them. In reality, the risk your partner could cheat is always there when you're in a relationship, with or without a website for it, and unless you just let go and trust your partner, you'll drive yourself crazy over it.
TL;DR: Ashley Madison may seem to be a gross website to some people, but all it does is provides a platform for something that was already happening all along. They didn't invent cheating. People get really flustered over websites like that because they make them feel insecure, but they should let go/trust their partner/get a hobby.
I also read that they had a secondary motivation, exposing ashleymadison.com's fraudulent behavior. They had a service set up where you could pay to have your information deleted from their servers permanently, but apparently weren't actually doing that, just taking peoples money without following through. Speculation as far as I know, though an interesting side note if true.
I'll add that regardless of how scummy those guys might have been, or for their reasons for being on the site, I'm very saddened that anyone felt the need to kill themselves over it. So far I haven't read any details on whether or not those actions were actually directly connected to this leak, or the fact that out of millions of accounts, statistically it's likely anyway. Still, sad.
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I do think peoples information being exposed is pretty fucked up. But I also see the other side and it might just be cheaters luck I believe everyone has a right to the lifestyle they see fit and as long as all parties are privy to it, I'm all the more for it happening. But in probably the majority of those cases these men were doing it behind their significant others back. It's unacceptable to do these things to your partner and have them not be aware of it, Here's a tip if you can't be honest with your partner about your desires or lifestyle choices, you probably shouldn't be married and pretending to be monogamous. Next tip how about not get married if you cant be solely with one person. In other words if you choose to cheat and have multiple partners let your life partner know the deal...because cheating is just fucked up and being dishonest to someone you made a commitment toooo is a huge problem.
I've heard about those secondary motives, but if the hackers were upset that there was being a misuse of peoples' information, and that's why they attacked the site, why would they release the personal information of those signed up for the website? It seems counter intuitive, like it harms the fraud victims more than the website participating in fraudulent behavior. Maybe I'm missing something, though.
Why release it? To prove that they weren't kidding and AM still had the information that they claimed they would delete. Otherwise it could just be bluffing. Now everyone knows the extent of the problem.
Well, yes, but that's not what happened, is it? What happened was a full dump of all site members. When Peter Tatchell started outing gay members of the English parliament in 1991, there was uproar, but he made a decision to only out MPs who had voted for anti-gay legislation. I'm in support of any information attack on demonstrably hypocritical social engineers. But that's not what this is, and my comments were in relation to this incident.
This is how I understood it as well. The members whose info was leaked are just casualties of exposing the site. If it's true anyway.
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I'm not so sure that I buy into the hackers statement that their reason for hacking the site and dumping the info on the web was one of moral conscience. If the hackers think that is going to put a dent in the number of people having an affair then they are naive. If the site is a scam aren't the hackers outing the people they claim they are protecting. From what I have read AM or the site owner was about to do IPO. My gut instinct is that someone was about to be or had been screwed out of some money.
And assuming my gut instinct is wrong and moral conscience was the hackers sole motivation what do we do when they decide that caming is morally wrong and they turn their sights on our favorite cam site?
And assuming my gut instinct is wrong and moral conscience was the hackers sole motivation what do we do when they decide that caming is morally wrong and they turn their sights on our favorite cam site?
That's exactly what happened. We all know the mass majority of the people on that site were people who were going behind their partners back and trying to/actually did cheat. So yes the mass majority have been outed on their hypocritical crap. I believe cheaters absolutely should be named and blamed so their partners now know the actual truth. What this is was people who took monogamous vows or were in committed relationships and they were liars and cheats instead.
Yeah, it is actually.It must be true, since it's even on the news...
http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2013/06/14/in-q-tel-glimpse-inside-cias-venture-capital-arm/
http://www.cnet.com/news/eff-sues-feds-for-info-on-social-network-surveillance/
I'm not sure what statement you're referring to. The only statement I'm aware of clearly stated the reason was fraud. As I've stated elsewhere, this includes the fact that a great majority of the profiles were faked to attract subscribers.
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But we DON'T know that. We only know that these people signed up for AshleyMadison.com. As has been mentioned prior, AM was also used by homosexuals in other countries as a safe space to find partners. ALSO, we don't know that everyone on their intended to cheat. When I was in a relationship I once made a Tinder account, did I intend to cheat? Nope, just was curious and wanted an ego boost that I wasn't getting from my partner. My partner actually did the same thing only with Craigslist, and he explained that he did it for the same reasons and I know for a fact that neither of us engaged in any sexual activity or even met up with anyone outside of our relationship.
Cheaters are scum but did any of these people deserve to have their personal choices put out there for EVERYONE? No. And most importantly did their partners deserve to have their private business put out their for everyone? Especially no. The most humiliating part of being cheated on is realizing other people know.
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I think "of others" is vague. Are the hackers referring to spouses being cheated on?
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I think "of others" is vague. Are the hackers referring to spouses being cheated on?
No, it's not. You have no idea what percentage of the people registered to the site have publicly expressed opinions that would make them hypocrites. I'm guessing it's very low, but I have no idea.
No, we don't. We don't "know" anything about "the mass majority of the people" on that site. We can make assumptions, and until we nail down the details, that's all they'll ever be.
That's not what "hypocrisy" means. Someone cheating on her husband is not a hypocrite. She's an adulterer. That's not the same thing. If she had come out as the head of FAmily Together and publicly endorsed the family unit etc., and she was then discovered to be cheating (of which membership of Ashley Madison is nowhere near enough evidence), then you could say it was hypocritical.
While that's certainly a valid opinion, you will no doubt concede that others have different opinions about this. And it might not be a good idea to impose your opinion of what relationships "should" be on someone else's life.
Someone has inspected the released data, and they learned less than 10,000 members identified as women ever replied to any message on the website. Link
That means it was just a great big old sausage fest of a website, without much in the way of successful man/woman type cheating going on.
That means it was just a great big old sausage fest of a website, without much in the way of successful man/woman type cheating going on.
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Hahahha. I love it!
I'm laughing because of the hypocrisy he represents now..
The family man had a kinky side...
Someone who was in an open relationship/ non-traditional marriage would have no reason to sign up for a site like Ashley Madison. The advertising for the site clearly was geared for men who were seeking affairs/prostitutes without the knowledge of their spouse. As for those claiming it was also used by gay men, I'm going to once again disagree and maintain that those accounts were registered not on Ashley Madison but on a sister site for gay men called "Man Crunch".
Meanwhile in the real world: https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/3ebzzj/i_may_get_stoned_to_death_for_gay_sex_gay_man/
I never said they publicly expressed opinions that would make them hypocrites. I said they were going behind their partners back. But yes cheating on a partner is being a hypocrite. You seem to be the one who doesn't know what hypocrisy means so i'll define it for you. "The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense." Marrying someone and saying vows then going behind their back makes you a hypocrite. You made a commitment and your behavior doesn't fit that commitment. Also most weddings include friends/family which is publicly expressing their opinions. They usually include lines along the lines of pledging themselves to the other and forsaking all others which also makes them a hypocrite by breaking them. Now people who aren't married aren't saying vows but they are still making promises of commitment and breaking them...still a hypocrite.
Now obviously there are open relationships and all but those obviously are not what i'm talking about since that apparently needs to be said to be clear. I definitely feel for the people who are being outed, risk repercussions from that, and people in open relationships, I however will not feel one ounce for random cheaters on a whole. Cheating is disgusting.
I also of course understand people have different opinions. That's why i said "I believe" and such. It's an opinion like any other and I never claimed otherwise. I only speak for myself and my feelings and every one here can express there's just as freely. Don't try to tell me though i'm imposing my opinions on someones elses life by just saying how I feel. That's ridiculous. People have thoughts and opinions and saying them isn't imposing them. Impose: "force (something unwelcome or unfamiliar) to be accepted or put in place." Monogamy has been around long before I was born and will be long after i'm gone (presumably we don't have like an apocalypse or something) so it's not like i'm the one trying to get people to conform to my idea of it. Lol really.
The latest rumor is that it was an inside job, likely female: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafe...one-female-who-worked-avid-life-media-1516833
And AM emails reveal their plans to hack a competitor: http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ssed-hacking-competitor-site-nerve-com-emails
And AM emails reveal their plans to hack a competitor: http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ssed-hacking-competitor-site-nerve-com-emails
Despite the hackfest, the thing i find most amusing in this is what i saw yesterday... roughly 90-95% of female profiles were faked.
There was a lawsuit for an on the job injury some time ago involved a woman that worked in the office @ ashley that got idk.. carpel tunnel i think, from working so long at the keyboard to create a thousand or so female profiles within a short time given to her by the site owners.
There was a lawsuit for an on the job injury some time ago involved a woman that worked in the office @ ashley that got idk.. carpel tunnel i think, from working so long at the keyboard to create a thousand or so female profiles within a short time given to her by the site owners.
By that logic, divorce is an even worse hypocrisy. Do you considered divorced people to be hypocrites with the same vigour?
And if the logic you presented is correct, divorce is disgusting too, right?
You used pretty strong language in the posting of your opinion, with phrases like "should have their hypocritical crap put on blast". I used similarly strong language because I assumed we're both grown-ups. I wouldn't have used the kind of assertive tone I did if I got the impression that you were precious about that sort of thing.
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I have no idea who would or wouldn't have a reason to sign up to any site. I'm not going to waste my time trying to get into people's heads about it. It's nothing to do with me. And more important, what happens inside someone else's marriage is definitely nothing to do with me. I'm not defending cheating or anything, but I do think that people choose the strangest things to get worked up about.
Not sure why you have such a hard on for me just for not agreeing with your every opinion but okay then buddy. Thought I was pretty clear with what I said and how I personally felt. Not sure what the problem is here.
1. I am not the judge of which hypocritical behavior is worse than another nor is any one else. But yes divorce would be hypocritical. One or both people are walking away from a commitment they made of "till death do us part." Pretty sure with what I said already it's clearly hypocritical by definition.
2. It's not just the logic I present but the mass majority of the human population at this time. Again monogamy is not just something I made up by myself lol. Plus I fully support open, poly, and even polygamist relationships as long as all are consenting adults. So your attack on me as if i'm some closed minded person are quiet off base. If you were around here for more than 7 days you would know that. Keep that in mind before you jump to conclusions on people here in the future will ya.
3. Don't try to condescend to me. Your line of "And it might not be a good idea to impose your opinion of what relationships "should" be on someone else's life." was accusatory. And now calling me "precious" is just further attempted condescension. I'm not asking to be placated to but if you're gonna attempt to say you're talking to me as an adult I would expect you to actually do so. I also expect you to stand behind your own words and not try to pass it off as me over reacting like a child. It's not gonna work there bud. You didn't use strong language, you attempted to talk down to me. There's a difference and it's very transparent in nature.
1. I am not the judge of which hypocritical behavior is worse than another nor is any one else. But yes divorce would be hypocritical. One or both people are walking away from a commitment they made of "till death do us part." Pretty sure with what I said already it's clearly hypocritical by definition.
2. It's not just the logic I present but the mass majority of the human population at this time. Again monogamy is not just something I made up by myself lol. Plus I fully support open, poly, and even polygamist relationships as long as all are consenting adults. So your attack on me as if i'm some closed minded person are quiet off base. If you were around here for more than 7 days you would know that. Keep that in mind before you jump to conclusions on people here in the future will ya.
3. Don't try to condescend to me. Your line of "And it might not be a good idea to impose your opinion of what relationships "should" be on someone else's life." was accusatory. And now calling me "precious" is just further attempted condescension. I'm not asking to be placated to but if you're gonna attempt to say you're talking to me as an adult I would expect you to actually do so. I also expect you to stand behind your own words and not try to pass it off as me over reacting like a child. It's not gonna work there bud. You didn't use strong language, you attempted to talk down to me. There's a difference and it's very transparent in nature.
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