Constant streams of 1 token tips?

[mynameisbob84]

I agree with all the ladies. In the right context it's fun but mostly it's annoying.
"Let me give you a measly 50 tokens but make sure it takes forever and dominates the whole room so all the attention is on me."
No, sir. Fuck off. Better things to do than glorify your shit tips for several minutes.

I have no idea what you earn and for you, a 50 token tip might feel "measly" or "shit" - you might be used to much bigger tips, I don't know - but a 50 token tip is still $5 (to the member). That's more than some people in the world earn in an hour, and it's still $5 that someone could have chosen to spend elsewhere, ya know? Maybe I'm being naive but annoying one-token-at-a-time distribution aside, I'd still think of a 50 token tip as generous, and not "measly" or "shit". :twocents-02cents:

In her defense, it sounds to me like the "shit tips" part refers to the one-token-at-a-time tips, not the 50 tokens total. And 50 tokens might not be a measly tip but when it's stretched out like that it's almost definitely used to gain more attention than it's "worth"-- it takes several minutes of thanking and pausing conversation/flow of the room to give attention to the tipper. It's kind of like if you're at a strip club and someone gives you five dollars-- hey cool, five dollars! Thanks! But if that guy wants to be like, "Hey baby I got something for you!" And he starts stacking dimes on stage, one by one, counting them out as he goes. And you can't walk away or look bored, because that's rude and he IS tipping you, which is nice. But everyone else starts watching him stack dimes instead of watching you and it really throws off the hustle and flow of your whole thing. Measly is relative.

Exactly!


Oh geez, you guys, I didn't mean that 50 tokens is a shit tip, but 50 one-token tips is a bunch of shit tips.
I am happy and grateful for any stand alone tip, EVEN 1 token. I just don't want to have to thank you over and over for several minutes when it's only totaling 50 tokens in the end. I REALLY feel like guys who do this are just trying to get more of the models positive attention than they could otherwise afford. They want to seem like they're tipping like crazy.

I should've worded my first post better.

Gotcha. And in that case, I agree :thumbleft:

 

[Anonymous]

Oh geez, you guys, I didn't mean that 50 tokens is a shit tip, but 50 one-token tips is a bunch of shit tips.
I am happy and grateful for any stand alone tip, EVEN 1 token. I just don't want to have to thank you over and over for several minutes when it's only totaling 50 tokens in the end. I REALLY feel like guys who do this are just trying to get more of the models positive attention than they could otherwise afford. They want to seem like they're tipping like crazy.

I should've worded my first post better.

Don't worry, I knew what you meant. To avoid giving too many thank you's and sounding silly, maybe tell him thank you once or twice in the beginning, and then throughout the rest of the yellow wall smile/nod your head in approval/give the thumbs up signal, and then say one final thank you when he's done.

 

[SerenaMoon]

I agree with all the ladies. In the right context it's fun but mostly it's annoying.
"Let me give you a measly 50 tokens but make sure it takes forever and dominates the whole room so all the attention is on me."
No, sir. Fuck off. Better things to do than glorify your shit tips for several minutes.

I have no idea what you earn and for you, a 50 token tip might feel "measly" or "shit" - you might be used to much bigger tips, I don't know - but a 50 token tip is still $5 (to the member). That's more than some people in the world earn in an hour, and it's still $5 that someone could have chosen to spend elsewhere, ya know? Maybe I'm being naive but annoying one-token-at-a-time distribution aside, I'd still think of a 50 token tip as generous, and not "measly" or "shit". :twocents-02cents:

In her defense, it sounds to me like the "shit tips" part refers to the one-token-at-a-time tips, not the 50 tokens total. And 50 tokens might not be a measly tip but when it's stretched out like that it's almost definitely used to gain more attention than it's "worth"-- it takes several minutes of thanking and pausing conversation/flow of the room to give attention to the tipper. It's kind of like if you're at a strip club and someone gives you five dollars-- hey cool, five dollars! Thanks! But if that guy wants to be like, "Hey baby I got something for you!" And he starts stacking dimes on stage, one by one, counting them out as he goes. And you can't walk away or look bored, because that's rude and he IS tipping you, which is nice. But everyone else starts watching him stack dimes instead of watching you and it really throws off the hustle and flow of your whole thing. Measly is relative.

Exactly!


Oh geez, you guys, I didn't mean that 50 tokens is a shit tip, but 50 one-token tips is a bunch of shit tips.
I am happy and grateful for any stand alone tip, EVEN 1 token. I just don't want to have to thank you over and over for several minutes when it's only totaling 50 tokens in the end. I REALLY feel like guys who do this are just trying to get more of the models positive attention than they could otherwise afford. They want to seem like they're tipping like crazy.

I should've worded my first post better.

Yeah, I will scream and yell thank you loud enough to blow your eardrums out (I get accused of this sometimes) if you tip 50 tokens in my room. If you tip it in 1s in such a way it doesn't break the continuity of the room I will be cool with that too. I don't even mind if a lot of guys start tipping 1s, thats ok. But a single guy expecting me to be excited about his 1 token yellow wall while the rest of the room falls silent in courtesy to him is a bit much. Those guys want to play too ya know, that's all I'm saying. You don't have to tip constantly to get my attention.

 

[Anonymous]

Tips go in bills, only handouts should go in coins, and since I am not homeless, it makes no sense to me to accept dimes or quarters as tips. Which is why I disabled the possibility to tip me 1 token. It is 5 and up in my room. I would do 10 and up, but I sometimes request yellow walls as part of my shows.

 

[Just Me]

Tips go in bills, only handouts should go in coins, and since I am not homeless, it makes no sense to me to accept dimes or quarters as tips. Which is why I disabled the possibility to tip me 1 token. It is 5 and up in my room. I would do 10 and up, but I sometimes request yellow walls as part of my shows.

Certainly your prerogative, but I think you will find that many members will not tip models if they find they have a tip minimum set. 20 should be your minimum if you only accept bills as tips. :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Tips go in bills, only handouts should go in coins, and since I am not homeless, it makes no sense to me to accept dimes or quarters as tips. Which is why I disabled the possibility to tip me 1 token. It is 5 and up in my room. I would do 10 and up, but I sometimes request yellow walls as part of my shows.

Certainly your prerogative, but I think you will find that many members will not tip models if they find they have a tip minimum set. 20 should be your minimum if you only accept bills as tips. :roll:

1 dollar bills do exist. You might call me "prerogative" which seems to be an euphemism for something, but I would NEVER tip a waitress 10 cents. Much less a stripper. Can you imagine throwing coins at her on stage? If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter. I have nothing against girls who accept 1tk tips, but I don't like it. If a member has an issue with having to tip me more than 5tks, then it is not a member I want in my room, he can hit "next".

 

[mynameisbob84]

Tips go in bills, only handouts should go in coins, and since I am not homeless, it makes no sense to me to accept dimes or quarters as tips. Which is why I disabled the possibility to tip me 1 token. It is 5 and up in my room. I would do 10 and up, but I sometimes request yellow walls as part of my shows.

Certainly your prerogative, but I think you will find that many members will not tip models if they find they have a tip minimum set. 20 should be your minimum if you only accept bills as tips. :roll:

1 dollar bills do exist. You might call me "prerogative" which seems to be an euphemism for something, but I would NEVER tip a waitress 10 cents. Much less a stripper. Can you imagine throwing coins at her on stage? If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter. I have nothing against girls who accept 1tk tips, but I don't like it. If a member has an issue with having to tip me more than 5tks, then it is not a member I want in my room, he can hit "next".

Some guys (myself included) like to tip in small denominations (I tend to tip 10 tokens at a time). When I tip a model 10 tokens, I'm not saying "here's 25 cents, cos that's all you're worth to me lolz". If I'm in a room for an hour, I'll probably tip 10 tokens every ten minutes or so. It's not a lot but it's what I can afford to tip. If I ever tried to tip a model 10 tokens and they had say, a 20 token minimum, I would quickly conclude that if my 10 token tip isn't good enough for them, then neither are the 60 tokens I might have wound up spending on them that night. Or the 70 tokens I might have spent on them the next time I'm in their room. Or the 500 tokens I might have given them for their birthday once I'd got to know them and decided they were cool beans, ya know? :twocents-02cents:

 

[SerenaMoon]

Tips go in bills, only handouts should go in coins, and since I am not homeless, it makes no sense to me to accept dimes or quarters as tips. Which is why I disabled the possibility to tip me 1 token. It is 5 and up in my room. I would do 10 and up, but I sometimes request yellow walls as part of my shows.

Certainly your prerogative, but I think you will find that many members will not tip models if they find they have a tip minimum set. 20 should be your minimum if you only accept bills as tips. :roll:

1 dollar bills do exist. You might call me "prerogative" which seems to be an euphemism for something, but I would NEVER tip a waitress 10 cents. Much less a stripper. Can you imagine throwing coins at her on stage? If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter. I have nothing against girls who accept 1tk tips, but I don't like it. If a member has an issue with having to tip me more than 5tks, then it is not a member I want in my room, he can hit "next".

Some guys (myself included) like to tip in small denominations (I tend to tip 10 tokens at a time). When I tip a model 10 tokens, I'm not saying "here's 25 cents, cos that's all you're worth to me lolz". If I'm in a room for an hour, I'll probably tip 10 tokens every ten minutes or so. It's not a lot but it's what I can afford to tip. If I ever tried to tip a model 10 tokens and they had say, a 20 token minimum, I would quickly conclude that if my 10 token tip isn't good enough for them, then neither are the 60 tokens I might have wound up spending on them that night. Or the 70 tokens I might have spent on them the next time I'm in their room. Or the 500 tokens I might have given them for their birthday once I'd got to know them and decided they were cool beans, ya know? :twocents-02cents:

No one said 10 token tips weren't welcome lol

 

[mynameisbob84]

Tips go in bills, only handouts should go in coins, and since I am not homeless, it makes no sense to me to accept dimes or quarters as tips. Which is why I disabled the possibility to tip me 1 token. It is 5 and up in my room. I would do 10 and up, but I sometimes request yellow walls as part of my shows.

Certainly your prerogative, but I think you will find that many members will not tip models if they find they have a tip minimum set. 20 should be your minimum if you only accept bills as tips. :roll:

1 dollar bills do exist. You might call me "prerogative" which seems to be an euphemism for something, but I would NEVER tip a waitress 10 cents. Much less a stripper. Can you imagine throwing coins at her on stage? If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter. I have nothing against girls who accept 1tk tips, but I don't like it. If a member has an issue with having to tip me more than 5tks, then it is not a member I want in my room, he can hit "next".

Some guys (myself included) like to tip in small denominations (I tend to tip 10 tokens at a time). When I tip a model 10 tokens, I'm not saying "here's 25 cents, cos that's all you're worth to me lolz". If I'm in a room for an hour, I'll probably tip 10 tokens every ten minutes or so. It's not a lot but it's what I can afford to tip. If I ever tried to tip a model 10 tokens and they had say, a 20 token minimum, I would quickly conclude that if my 10 token tip isn't good enough for them, then neither are the 60 tokens I might have wound up spending on them that night. Or the 70 tokens I might have spent on them the next time I'm in their room. Or the 500 tokens I might have given them for their birthday once I'd got to know them and decided they were cool beans, ya know? :twocents-02cents:

No one said 10 token tips weren't welcome lol

Well, ten tokens is worth a quarter to a model (I think) so I was referencing "If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter" in the above post. But really, the amounts are irrelevant. My overall point was if a member is put off by a minimum tip amount, then the model risks losing out on future income from that member

 

[SerenaMoon]

Well, ten tokens is worth a quarter to a model (I think) so I was referencing "If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter" in the above post. But really, the amounts are irrelevant. My overall point was if a member is put off by a minimum tip amount, then the model risks losing out on future income from that member

Got it, but there are a lot more models with a 5 token tip limit than you think, so my guess is for those models it works out just fine, but a newer model like me or one just starting I wouldn't suggest it.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Some guys (myself included) like to tip in small denominations (I tend to tip 10 tokens at a time). When I tip a model 10 tokens, I'm not saying "here's 25 cents, cos that's all you're worth to me lolz". If I'm in a room for an hour, I'll probably tip 10 tokens every ten minutes or so. It's not a lot but it's what I can afford to tip. If I ever tried to tip a model 10 tokens and they had say, a 20 token minimum, I would quickly conclude that if my 10 token tip isn't good enough for them, then neither are the 60 tokens I might have wound up spending on them that night. Or the 70 tokens I might have spent on them the next time I'm in their room. Or the 500 tokens I might have given them for their birthday once I'd got to know them and decided they were cool beans, ya know?

Well, ten tokens is worth a quarter [Edit by JerryBoBerry: 10 tokens = $0.50 model gets nickel per token] to a model (I think) so I was referencing "If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter" in the above post. But really, the amounts are irrelevant. My overall point was if a member is put off by a minimum tip amount, then the model risks losing out on future income from that member

Couldn't agree more. In my opinion the stupidest mistake mfc ever made was enabling the tip minimum. I've pretty much spent MOST of my tokens at either 1 or 2 tokens at a time. I even have emotes exclaiming I'm a Deucer for when i tip 2 tokens. I made it a rule if i find a model that has a tip minimum set so I can't tip, then I don't. Ever. Done, finito, move on time. So If i'm just one person that thinks that way then I'm guessing there's others (trust me there are, a lot of bitching in the lounge when it came out). The only thing a minimum does is ensure you'll get less tips from people, not more.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended or anything. I'm actually grateful. I figure if the model doesn't need money that bad then thank you for letting me know. I'll find someone who does.

 

[AllisonWilder]

On my first day on MFC I (stupidly) set a minimum of 20 tokens and it wasn't until day two that someone sent me a PM asking if I knew that it was a little bit off-putting. It really changed my entire perspective on camming and tips for the better. A tip is a tip and as long as someone isn't tipping 1 token and asking me to 'open bobs, bb' and 'fist ass' or they aren't expecting their 1-token tip wall that totals 10-15 tokens to garner the same attention that a 50+ token tip would, then it's genuinely appreciated.

Tips go in bills, only handouts should go in coins, and since I am not homeless, it makes no sense to me to accept dimes or quarters as tips. Which is why I disabled the possibility to tip me 1 token. It is 5 and up in my room. I would do 10 and up, but I sometimes request yellow walls as part of my shows.

Certainly your prerogative, but I think you will find that many members will not tip models if they find they have a tip minimum set. 20 should be your minimum if you only accept bills as tips. :roll:

1 dollar bills do exist. You might call me "prerogative" which seems to be an euphemism for something, but I would NEVER tip a waitress 10 cents. Much less a stripper. Can you imagine throwing coins at her on stage? If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter. I have nothing against girls who accept 1tk tips, but I don't like it. If a member has an issue with having to tip me more than 5tks, then it is not a member I want in my room, he can hit "next".

5 tokens is a quarter to the model, so saying 'if you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter' doesn't really make sense. And prerogative isn't a euphemism for anything. It just means that it's your right to not accept tips under a certain number.

Well, ten tokens is worth a quarter to a model (I think) so I was referencing "If you wouldn't tip a stripper a quarter, then don't tip me a quarter" in the above post. But really, the amounts are irrelevant. My overall point was if a member is put off by a minimum tip amount, then the model risks losing out on future income from that member

Ten tokens is fifty cents to a model.

 

[GingerAnn]

Couldn't agree more. In my opinion the stupidest mistake mfc ever made was enabling the tip minimum. I've pretty much spent MOST of my tokens at either 1 or 2 tokens at a time. I even have emotes exclaiming I'm a Deucer for when i tip 2 tokens. I made it a rule if i find a model that has a tip minimum set so I can't tip, then I don't. Ever. Done, finito, move on time. So If i'm just one person that thinks that way then I'm guessing there's others (trust me there are, a lot of bitching in the lounge when it came out). The only thing a minimum does is ensure you'll get less tips from people, not more.

MOST of your tokens 1 or 2 at a time and an EMOTE exclaiming that you do so?! Sounds obnoxious to me. "YAY ME I SHALL TIP YOU 2 TOKENS AND MAKE A BIG TO DO ABOUT IT FIRST." wuuut??
I think I'd be happier to not have you in my room then, if you're going to do what almost everyone has been saying is annoying in this thread. :?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended or anything. I'm actually grateful. I figure if the model doesn't need money that bad then thank you for letting me know. I'll find someone who does.

So you only want to tip models who aren't doing well? To each their own, I suppose.


i should stop posting in here, everybody will think I am a bitch. but come on now.

 

[Anonymous]

mynameisbob84: I never said i didn't take 10 tokens. I said I didn't take less than 5.

Allisonwilder: I don't base my amounts on what I earn, but on what tokens costs to the member. 10 tokens is 1 dollar for the member. I also clarified that I knew 10 tokens is 1 dollar, and that I would do that as my min amount, but since i request yellow walls sometimes, i lowered it to 5. Seriously people, read what people actually type instead of what you think they said in your imagination.

 

[Anonymous]

THIS:

And there's been a few times that in the midst of a tiny tip token wall that I miss a big one because the noise and the yellow get so overwhelming. It feels terrible to miss someone's extremely generous 1000 tip in the middle of so-and-so's wall of 15 1-token tips.

Hate it when it happens.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Allisonwilder: I don't base my amounts on what I earn, but on what tokens costs to the member. 10 tokens is 1 dollar for the member. I also clarified that I knew 10 tokens is 1 dollar, and that I would do that as my min amount, but since i request yellow walls sometimes, i lowered it to 5. Seriously people, read what people actually type instead of what you think they said in your imagination.

Perhaps my imagination is running rampant and I suddenly lost the ability to comprehend English, but nowhere in your posts here did you clarify that you knew 10 tokens was a dollar nor did you say until now that you base the token minimum on what the member spent rather than what the model earns, you just said that one dollar bills do exist.

 

[Anonymous]

I was going to reply to the message above, but its derailing the conversation and I can't bother to drag this any further.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Couldn't agree more. In my opinion the stupidest mistake mfc ever made was enabling the tip minimum. I've pretty much spent MOST of my tokens at either 1 or 2 tokens at a time. I even have emotes exclaiming I'm a Deucer for when i tip 2 tokens. I made it a rule if i find a model that has a tip minimum set so I can't tip, then I don't. Ever. Done, finito, move on time. So If i'm just one person that thinks that way then I'm guessing there's others (trust me there are, a lot of bitching in the lounge when it came out). The only thing a minimum does is ensure you'll get less tips from people, not more.

MOST of your tokens 1 or 2 at a time and an EMOTE exclaiming that you do so?! Sounds obnoxious to me. "YAY ME I SHALL TIP YOU 2 TOKENS AND MAKE A BIG TO DO ABOUT IT FIRST." wuuut??
I think I'd be happier to not have you in my room then, if you're going to do what almost everyone has been saying is annoying in this thread. :?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended or anything. I'm actually grateful. I figure if the model doesn't need money that bad then thank you for letting me know. I'll find someone who does.

So you only want to tip models who aren't doing well? To each their own, I suppose.

i should stop posting in here, everybody will think I am a bitch. but come on now.

Yes, 'most' of my tokens tipped were 1 or 2 at a time. I was over 17K reward points on one account before I deleted it and I'll just say I'm in lounge1000 or better on all of the other seven I currently have. So keep in mind 'most' is a rather relative term.

I have the emote, nay, I should say i EARNED the emote, because I got the nickname after tipping a model 2 tokens every few seconds on her birthday; for 8 continuous hours. She didn't complain at the four 3775 packages she got, so don't worry, no models were offended that day.

Nor do I ever use that emote obnoxiously after tipping 1 or 2 times in a "YAY ME I SHALL TIP YOU 2 TOKENS AND MAKE A BIG TO DO ABOUT IT FIRST" type of way. It's usually after a tip wall of a minimum of 200 or more. And I always PM the model beforehand to find out if she is okay with small tips.

In fact most of the time I have deuced, even yellow wall deucing, was to help the model. You know those times when it's quiet? No one is tipping and you're just having a bad day on cam? A yellow wall of 2 token tips is your best friend. It lets others know the model is okay with small tips so they join in. People can get rid of their few tokens they have left over from something else without feeling cheap. It helps others feel like they are participating which raises the spirits of the room. And the funniest thing of all is it gets the arrogant members who think 2 tokens is rude to tip BIG to show me how it's done. All the while I'm sitting there just continuing to tip 2 at a time and laughing at how easily manipulated the small minded truly are.

Every single time I have deuced, the model ended up getting WAY more than I alone tipped her. Trust me, all the models I've done that to are more than happy to have me do it again. Every model should be so lucky as to have someone in their room who would do the same.

To clarify why I hate the tip minimum, I understand all the reasons above why models may hate the small tips or one token tip walls. But to set a minimum doesn't express those reasons. To some members it comes across as an entirely different meaning.

My mother grew up during WWII, one of 11 kids. Both parents had died by the time she was 15 so the oldest brother got discharged and came home from Europe to raise them. They were very poor, to the point if they wanted to eat most days they had to go to the river to catch fish. To the day she died she couldn't pass a penny lying on the ground without stopping to pick it up. This appreciation for everything you have in life, even right down to the penny, is what she passed onto my generation. I buy groceries that have risen in price dramatically in the past years, I take out school loans to not only go to college full time but to live while doing so. And I pick up a penny off the ground every time I see one.

So when I run across a model that has a minimum set honestly it just offends every sensibility towards financial responsibility I have. I have absolutely no desire to give that model any money whatsoever. It has nothing to do with a model doing well or not, it's appreciation for the tip no matter how small. A subtle but key difference.

I have no animosity toward the model. I can still like her a lot and get along with her. But if she's too well off to desire a lowly nickel then I don't feel a need to give her one, or a dollar for that matter.

 

[Anonymous]

Couldn't agree more. In my opinion the stupidest mistake mfc ever made was enabling the tip minimum. I've pretty much spent MOST of my tokens at either 1 or 2 tokens at a time. I even have emotes exclaiming I'm a Deucer for when i tip 2 tokens. I made it a rule if i find a model that has a tip minimum set so I can't tip, then I don't. Ever. Done, finito, move on time. So If i'm just one person that thinks that way then I'm guessing there's others (trust me there are, a lot of bitching in the lounge when it came out). The only thing a minimum does is ensure you'll get less tips from people, not more.

MOST of your tokens 1 or 2 at a time and an EMOTE exclaiming that you do so?! Sounds obnoxious to me. "YAY ME I SHALL TIP YOU 2 TOKENS AND MAKE A BIG TO DO ABOUT IT FIRST." wuuut??
I think I'd be happier to not have you in my room then, if you're going to do what almost everyone has been saying is annoying in this thread. :?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended or anything. I'm actually grateful. I figure if the model doesn't need money that bad then thank you for letting me know. I'll find someone who does.

So you only want to tip models who aren't doing well? To each their own, I suppose.

i should stop posting in here, everybody will think I am a bitch. but come on now.

Yes, 'most' of my tokens tipped were 1 or 2 at a time. I was over 17K reward points on one account before I deleted it and I'll just say I'm in lounge1000 or better on all of the other seven I currently have. So keep in mind 'most' is a rather relative term.

I have the emote, nay, I should say i EARNED the emote, because I got the nickname after tipping a model 2 tokens every few seconds on her birthday; for 8 continuous hours. She didn't complain at the four 3775 packages she got, so don't worry, no models were offended that day.

Nor do I ever use that emote obnoxiously after tipping 1 or 2 times in a "YAY ME I SHALL TIP YOU 2 TOKENS AND MAKE A BIG TO DO ABOUT IT FIRST" type of way. It's usually after a tip wall of a minimum of 200 or more. And I always PM the model beforehand to find out if she is okay with small tips.

In fact most of the time I have deuced, even yellow wall deucing, was to help the model. You know those times when it's quiet? No one is tipping and you're just having a bad day on cam? A yellow wall of 2 token tips is your best friend. It lets others know the model is okay with small tips so they join in. People can get rid of their few tokens they have left over from something else without feeling cheap. It helps others feel like they are participating which raises the spirits of the room. And the funniest thing of all is it gets the arrogant members who think 2 tokens is rude to tip BIG to show me how it's done. All the while I'm sitting there just continuing to tip 2 at a time and laughing at how easily manipulated the small minded truly are.

Every single time I have deuced, the model ended up getting WAY more than I alone tipped her. Trust me, all the models I've done that to are more than happy to have me do it again. Every model should be so lucky as to have someone in their room who would do the same.

To clarify why I hate the tip minimum, I understand all the reasons above why models may hate the small tips or one token tip walls. But to set a minimum doesn't express those reasons. To some members it comes across as an entirely different meaning.

My mother grew up during WWII, one of 11 kids. Both parents had died by the time she was 15 so the oldest brother got discharged and came home from Europe to raise them. They were very poor, to the point if they wanted to eat most days they had to go to the river to catch fish. To the day she died she couldn't pass a penny lying on the ground without stopping to pick it up. This appreciation for everything you have in life, even right down to the penny, is what she passed onto my generation. I buy groceries that have risen in price dramatically in the past years, I take out school loans to not only go to college full time but to live while doing so. And I pick up a penny off the ground every time I see one.

So when I run across a model that has a minimum set honestly it just offends every sensibility towards financial responsibility I have. I have absolutely no desire to give that model any money whatsoever. It has nothing to do with a model doing well or not, it's appreciation for the tip no matter how small. A subtle but key difference.

I have no animosity toward the model. I can still like her a lot and get along with her. But if she's too well off to desire a lowly nickel then I don't feel a need to give her one, or a dollar for that matter.

I appreciate you telling us your story and the reasons behind the way you tip, but I wanted to explain why for some models like myself it isn't a matter of being "well off" or feeling self entitled.

This might sound rude but its a scenario I want you to consider for a second. Imagine that your mother during WWII, instead of being poor and hungry had become a stripper (when she turned 18). She probably wouldn't have suffered so much hunger. Why didn't she?

stripping and being naked in exchange for money is a risky job that most women aren't willing to do. The consequences of it could be: losing your family, your friends, being shunned, not being able to perform certain jobs ever again such as politics or teaching, not to mention possible harassment or stalking by clients who might be even violent. This is the reason many women would rather starve than become sex workers and why for some of us, doing this makes no sense unless we are making whatever it is we consider enough as compensation for the risk. For me this involves a sense of dignity which I find personally violated when a member tips me 2tks.

I do not doubt your deuce walls are a great thing for certain models, but an 8 hour wall of 2 tokens would be really annoying for me, even if they amounted to a huge tip in the end. Which is why I personally decided to set a minimum of 5 tokens.

 

[Shaun__]

For me this involves a sense of dignity which I find personally violated when a member tips me 2tks.

I personally would feel more violated by the people watching for free myself, not the dude who is at least tipping.

 

[Sevrin]

For me this involves a sense of dignity which I find personally violated when a member tips me 2tks.

I personally would feel more violated by the people watching for free myself, not the dude who is at least tipping.

That makes no sense. There are *always* people watching public chat for free on MFREEC, and most other cam sites, too. So models are in a constant state of being "violated"?

Anyway, members who do that are just looking for attention. But aren't we all? :violin:

 

[Shaun__]

For me this involves a sense of dignity which I find personally violated when a member tips me 2tks.

I personally would feel more violated by the people watching for free myself, not the dude who is at least tipping.

That makes no sense. There are *always* people watching public chat for free on MFREEC, and most other cam sites, too. So models are in a constant state of being "violated"?

Anyway, members who do that are just looking for attention. But aren't we all? :violin:

So are you saying having a dude just give them money is a better reason to feel violated?

 

[mynameisbob84]

stripping and being naked in exchange for money is a risky job that most women aren't willing to do. The consequences of it could be: losing your family, your friends, being shunned, not being able to perform certain jobs ever again such as politics or teaching, not to mention possible harassment or stalking by clients who might be even violent. This is the reason many women would rather starve than become sex workers and why for some of us, doing this makes no sense unless we are making whatever it is we consider enough as compensation for the risk. For me this involves a sense of dignity which I find personally violated when a member tips me 2tks.

I agree that camming is a job fraught with risk but the same could be said of many jobs, many of which pay far less than camming. Judging by the number of cam girls there are, this is clearly a job for which the rewards outweigh the risks. It's also a job that not just anybody can do. If you're not an attractive female (I appreciate that's a relative term), if you don't have a striking personality, and if you aren't blessed with enough intelligence and drive to make things work, you're not likely to succeed in cam land. While it is a job that has many risks attached to it, I also think that many people who don't have the necessary attributes to be a successful cam girl would gladly swap places with the women who do. I mean, how many successful cam girls would trade their current job with the average office worker? Or for a mid-level job in retail? Or go to work in a factory? Not many, I would wager.

All of this is to say, I don't view camming as a profession in which its workers are being placed in a position where their dignity has been compromised, even if they recieve the occassional quarter thrown their way as a tip. By and large, cam girls choose to be cam girls. Should members really have to worry that the money they're giving to cam girls - money that they don't have to give at all, regardless of whether they should - is going to cause some cam girls - who again, have chosen to be there - to feel as if their dignity is somehow being compromised? I would argue that they shouldn't :twocents-02cents:

But again, this is just my opinion. You're obviously free to run your room however you see fit. While I don't think the minimum tip option does any good (for every one member who tips 20 tokens after their initial 10 token tip wasn't accepted, there's probably a hundred guys who never set foot in that model's room again, many of whom might be big tippers in the grand scheme of things), I also don't think it's a huge detriment to a cam girl's success or anything. Missing out on the occassional tipper isn't going to make a huge amount of difference overall, to a cam girl's earnings.

 

[Sevrin]

For me this involves a sense of dignity which I find personally violated when a member tips me 2tks.

I personally would feel more violated by the people watching for free myself, not the dude who is at least tipping.

That makes no sense. There are *always* people watching public chat for free on MFREEC, and most other cam sites, too. So models are in a constant state of being "violated"?

So are you saying having a dude just give them money is a better reason to feel violated?

Note that Mila referred to her *dignity* being violated, not to her *person* being violated. There is a difference. The first is an insult, the second is rape. She felt insulted by 2 token tips, not raped.

 

[NoelleBright]

Couldn't agree more. In my opinion the stupidest mistake mfc ever made was enabling the tip minimum. I've pretty much spent MOST of my tokens at either 1 or 2 tokens at a time. I even have emotes exclaiming I'm a Deucer for when i tip 2 tokens. I made it a rule if i find a model that has a tip minimum set so I can't tip, then I don't. Ever. Done, finito, move on time. So If i'm just one person that thinks that way then I'm guessing there's others (trust me there are, a lot of bitching in the lounge when it came out). The only thing a minimum does is ensure you'll get less tips from people, not more.

MOST of your tokens 1 or 2 at a time and an EMOTE exclaiming that you do so?! Sounds obnoxious to me. "YAY ME I SHALL TIP YOU 2 TOKENS AND MAKE A BIG TO DO ABOUT IT FIRST." wuuut??
I think I'd be happier to not have you in my room then, if you're going to do what almost everyone has been saying is annoying in this thread. :?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended or anything. I'm actually grateful. I figure if the model doesn't need money that bad then thank you for letting me know. I'll find someone who does.

So you only want to tip models who aren't doing well? To each their own, I suppose.

i should stop posting in here, everybody will think I am a bitch. but come on now.

Yes, 'most' of my tokens tipped were 1 or 2 at a time. I was over 17K reward points on one account before I deleted it and I'll just say I'm in lounge1000 or better on all of the other seven I currently have. So keep in mind 'most' is a rather relative term.

I have the emote, nay, I should say i EARNED the emote, because I got the nickname after tipping a model 2 tokens every few seconds on her birthday; for 8 continuous hours. She didn't complain at the four 3775 packages she got, so don't worry, no models were offended that day.

Nor do I ever use that emote obnoxiously after tipping 1 or 2 times in a "YAY ME I SHALL TIP YOU 2 TOKENS AND MAKE A BIG TO DO ABOUT IT FIRST" type of way. It's usually after a tip wall of a minimum of 200 or more. And I always PM the model beforehand to find out if she is okay with small tips.

In fact most of the time I have deuced, even yellow wall deucing, was to help the model. You know those times when it's quiet? No one is tipping and you're just having a bad day on cam? A yellow wall of 2 token tips is your best friend. It lets others know the model is okay with small tips so they join in. People can get rid of their few tokens they have left over from something else without feeling cheap. It helps others feel like they are participating which raises the spirits of the room. And the funniest thing of all is it gets the arrogant members who think 2 tokens is rude to tip BIG to show me how it's done. All the while I'm sitting there just continuing to tip 2 at a time and laughing at how easily manipulated the small minded truly are.

Every single time I have deuced, the model ended up getting WAY more than I alone tipped her. Trust me, all the models I've done that to are more than happy to have me do it again. Every model should be so lucky as to have someone in their room who would do the same.

To clarify why I hate the tip minimum, I understand all the reasons above why models may hate the small tips or one token tip walls. But to set a minimum doesn't express those reasons. To some members it comes across as an entirely different meaning.

My mother grew up during WWII, one of 11 kids. Both parents had died by the time she was 15 so the oldest brother got discharged and came home from Europe to raise them. They were very poor, to the point if they wanted to eat most days they had to go to the river to catch fish. To the day she died she couldn't pass a penny lying on the ground without stopping to pick it up. This appreciation for everything you have in life, even right down to the penny, is what she passed onto my generation. I buy groceries that have risen in price dramatically in the past years, I take out school loans to not only go to college full time but to live while doing so. And I pick up a penny off the ground every time I see one.

So when I run across a model that has a minimum set honestly it just offends every sensibility towards financial responsibility I have. I have absolutely no desire to give that model any money whatsoever. It has nothing to do with a model doing well or not, it's appreciation for the tip no matter how small. A subtle but key difference.

I have no animosity toward the model. I can still like her a lot and get along with her. But if she's too well off to desire a lowly nickel then I don't feel a need to give her one, or a dollar for that matter.

I do not doubt your deuce walls are a great thing for certain models, but an 8 hour wall of 2 tokens would be really annoying for me, even if they amounted to a huge tip in the end. Which is why I personally decided to set a minimum of 5 tokens.

I don't have a tip minimum but an 8 hour 2 token wall would drive me crazy.
I would really appreciate the gesture but I would end up getting pretty annoyed.
I run a HIGHLY social room, I basically never shut the hell up and the conversations that I get to have with guys in my room are probably one of my favorite parts of camming. An 8 hour tip wall would make it impossible to carry on any sort of conversation. I really wouldn't know what to do with myself and would probably be tempted to pull out a book or something.
It would absolutely kill my whole room vibe.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Well all tokens are awesome. I can't say it has particularly annoyed me except for a few times when you're using up a lot of energy showing enthusiasm. Sometimes I find that even with 5 token yellow walls though.

One thing I will say though.... Even if it adds up to a lot, all I'm seeing is 1 token. When I see 100 tokens it's an exciting moment. 1 token 100 times is still 1 token each time. It's not nearly as exciting. And it gets boring. This is even more so with big big tips. I would rather see 1 big tip than a million tiny tips... unless it's a whole bunch of people joining in. Basically it's not that it annoys me exactly... but I'm usually having to fake excitement and interest more rather than having a moment of genuine excitement and then being able to harness that excitement to get up and dance/have more fun.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I don't have a tip minimum but an 8 hour 2 token wall would drive me crazy.
I would really appreciate the gesture but I would end up getting pretty annoyed.
I run a HIGHLY social room, I basically never shut the hell up and the conversations that I get to have with guys in my room are probably one of my favorite parts of camming. An 8 hour tip wall would make it impossible to carry on any sort of conversation. I really wouldn't know what to do with myself and would probably be tempted to pull out a book or something.
It would absolutely kill my whole room vibe.

To clarify so you'll understand the situation of the day. It wasn't a 'yellow wall' exactly. It was a tip, then wait anywhere from 20 to 30 seconds or so before the next depending on how fast chat was moving, sometimes it was more often and sometimes less. It's purpose wasn't to create a solid wall of tips but to ensure that the lady had a tip on her screen at all times throughout the day for her birthday. It was also semi planned with most of her regulars as a way of birthday gift and pretty much everyone was joining in sporadically from time to time to make it even more tips. I was just the only one who planned out the timing so that the tips would keep going, even when there were lulls in tipping from the rest of the room. If I remember right it was her best day on cam she's ever had in terms of tokens. And it in no way impaired her vibe because the vibe that day was one massive party. So it was overall laughing and everyone having a good time, and joking about the tipping became part of the vibe itself.

 

[NoelleBright]

I don't have a tip minimum but an 8 hour 2 token wall would drive me crazy.
I would really appreciate the gesture but I would end up getting pretty annoyed.
I run a HIGHLY social room, I basically never shut the hell up and the conversations that I get to have with guys in my room are probably one of my favorite parts of camming. An 8 hour tip wall would make it impossible to carry on any sort of conversation. I really wouldn't know what to do with myself and would probably be tempted to pull out a book or something.
It would absolutely kill my whole room vibe.

To clarify so you'll understand the situation of the day. It wasn't a 'yellow wall' exactly. It was a tip, then wait anywhere from 20 to 30 seconds or so before the next depending on how fast chat was moving, sometimes it was more often and sometimes less. It's purpose wasn't to create a solid wall of tips but to ensure that the lady had a tip on her screen at all times throughout the day for her birthday. It was also semi planned with most of her regulars as a way of birthday gift and pretty much everyone was joining in sporadically from time to time to make it even more tips. I was just the only one who planned out the timing so that the tips would keep going, even when there were lulls in tipping from the rest of the room. If I remember right it was her best day on cam she's ever had in terms of tokens. And it in no way impaired her vibe because the vibe that day was one massive party. So it was overall laughing and everyone having a good time, and joking about the tipping became part of the vibe itself.

I don't mean to nitpick, but the math doesn't even add up for that.
You said you tipped her four 3775 token packages that night, thats 15,100 tokens. That would average out to approximately 1888 tokens per hour since she worked 8 hours. Since you tipped in 2s that's about 944 individual tips per hour consisting of 2 tokens each. There are 3600 seconds in an hour, which means on average she had to have been getting a tip every 3-4 seconds for those numbers to work out.

 

[Sevrin]

I knew this kind of thing would happen when they let girls go to school.

 

[Shaun__]

Note that Mila referred to her *dignity* being violated, not to her *person* being violated. There is a difference. The first is an insult, the second is rape. She felt insulted by 2 token tips, not raped.

Why are you bringing up that? I never specified anything of the sort, sad that your mind went there of all places. I have never understood how being given money is insulting, especially in a website where you can see almost anything for free.