Daily Thoughts

[Vixxen81]

Interestingly (perhaps) you have to be 18 in Australia to do such work, even though the age of consent here is 16.

You have to be 18 everywhere to do such work. But if you're 18 and you get too many reports that people think you're underage on CB they ban your account for 6 months.

 

[Ozzie_]

You have to be 18 everywhere to do such work. But if you're 18 and you get too many reports that people think you're underage on CB they ban your account for 6 months.

I will not comment on CB, I do not use the site, but I have seen all the threads here about such things, until I started using the forums in such a way that I no longer see CB related messages if they are posted in the CB subforum.

 

[Vixxen81]

I will not comment on CB, I do not use the site, but I have seen all the threads here about such things, until I started using the forums in such a way that I no longer see CB related messages if they are posted in the CB subforum.

All I'm saying is this is the basis behind me thinking you should have to be 19 to start in this business instead of 18.

 

[Ozzie_]

All I'm saying is this is the basis behind me thinking you should have to be 19 to start in this business instead of 18.

Fair enough, and I have no issue with that idea actually, as you say, legal at 18 is only one day older than illegal.

 

[Vixxen81]

Bhad Babie made a million dollars on her first day on OF, the day she turned 18. When later interviewed about she was asked if all of those men who tipped/sub'd her should be in jail, she replied without hesitation, "yes."

 

[Marceline]

I think the laws should be changed so that you have to be 19 years and 1 day old to become a sex worker/entertainer. I'm not sure if that's a popular or unpopular opinion but 1 day after your 18th birthday is no different than the day before it.

I agree and disagree.

On one hand, with how mainstream OnlyFans has become you now have young girls counting down the days until they turn 18 so they can get on OF, because they think they’ll become rich overnight. Most of them don’t know or understand the risks that comes along with entering the sex industry. Like, it could screw up a number of potential careers they’d want to have in the future if it was found out they were in the adult industry, even if it was for a short amount of time. Most newcomers/tourists/younger people these days also don’t bother to separate their online work identity from their personal identity, which could also lead to either weirdos/stalkers online or even people they know in their real life using their info to harm them, either physically, socially or mentally.

And then you have the sickos who count down the days until a girl turns 18. Sorry not sorry, but if someone is attracted to a minor and is just waiting for the day they become a legal adult so they can openly sexualize them, they’re a pedo. I hate thinking that those sorts of people are being catered to.

However, on the other hand, at 18 you’re a legal, consenting adult. And I think that if you were to ban an adult from doing certain things based on their age, it would lead to even more bans on other things. I know there’s an argument to be made with how alcohol and gambling you have to be 21 (at least in the US) so the legal age for other stuff like creating porn, could also be increased, though.

My hot take is that porn/adult work becoming more mainstream is actually hurting the industry and those in it more than helping. The people who are against it won’t change their minds, and the more mainstream it becomes, the more they are against it. And unfortunately, a lot of those people who are against it are the ones making laws. There’s been laws implemented in my state very recently that makes me incapable of accessing one of the sites that I use to pay my bills without using a VPN. There’s hypocritical politicians (looking at you Ted Cruz) who want porn to be outright banned. I honestly think that if sites like OF hadn’t become so mainstream and widely used there wouldn’t be such a strong political pushback against the adult industry right now.

 

[Finchomatic]

Bhad Babie made a million dollars on her first day on OF, the day she turned 18. When later interviewed about she was asked if all of those men who tipped/sub'd her should be in jail, she replied without hesitation, "yes."

I'm safe then. I'm only into women between the ages of 32-55.
I agree with the 19 being the minimum age to sign up to adult cam sites. Would save alot of hassle for some who seem to age slower than others.

 

[Vixxen81]

I agree and disagree.

On one hand, with how mainstream OnlyFans has become you now have young girls counting down the days until they turn 18 so they can get on OF, because they think they’ll become rich overnight. Most of them don’t know or understand the risks that comes along with entering the sex industry. Like, it could screw up a number of potential careers they’d want to have in the future if it was found out they were in the adult industry, even if it was for a short amount of time. Most newcomers/tourists/younger people these days also don’t bother to separate their online work identity from their personal identity, which could also lead to either weirdos/stalkers online or even people they know in their real life using their info to harm them, either physically, socially or mentally.

And then you have the sickos who count down the days until a girl turns 18. Sorry not sorry, but if someone is attracted to a minor and is just waiting for the day they become a legal adult so they can openly sexualize them, they’re a pedo. I hate thinking that those sorts of people are being catered to.

However, on the other hand, at 18 you’re a legal, consenting adult. And I think that if you were to ban an adult from doing certain things based on their age, it would lead to even more bans on other things. I know there’s an argument to be made with how alcohol and gambling you have to be 21 (at least in the US) so the legal age for other stuff like creating porn, could also be increased, though.

My hot take is that porn/adult work becoming more mainstream is actually hurting the industry and those in it more than helping. The people who are against it won’t change their minds, and the more mainstream it becomes, the more they are against it. And unfortunately, a lot of those people who are against it are the ones making laws. There’s been laws implemented in my state very recently that makes me incapable of accessing one of the sites that I use to pay my bills without using a VPN. There’s hypocritical politicians (looking at you Ted Cruz) who want porn to be outright banned. I honestly think that if sites like OF hadn’t become so mainstream and widely used there wouldn’t be such a strong political pushback against the adult industry right now.

I am 100% on board with every thought expressed here. I feel that way as well. Part of what makes our business hot is the taboo nature of it all, the secrecy. Don't let the wife find out, etc. I think that's WHY politicians want to ban it. It's too easy to see their favorite e-guy jerk it senseless and there's no shame in it any more as a viewer. Easily accessible and thousands to choose from, their upbringing dictates that sex must be shameful instead of empowering. It's like a giant onion instead of a giant peach, so many layers on consent and ethics, free will, plus free speech and decency.

 

[rockin_rod]

Bhad Babie made a million dollars on her first day on OF, the day she turned 18. When later interviewed about she was asked if all of those men who tipped/sub'd her should be in jail, she replied without hesitation, "yes."

Yet she made money from those same people though.......

 

[Vixxen81]

She's no doubt happy to have made money from those same people though.......

Tell me you don't understand how exploitation works without telling you don't understand how exploitation works.

She had a marketing team behind her at 16 years old.

 

[rockin_rod]

I think the laws should be changed so that you have to be 19 years and 1 day old to become a sex worker/entertainer. I'm not sure if that's a popular or unpopular opinion but 1 day after your 18th birthday is no different than the day before it. Take that year to explore the world before diving into something that will impact the rest of your life. Thanks for coming to my Nobody Asked V's Opinion Ted Talk

I disagree. The law is clear around the age of consent, it doesn't matter how far past that you are, if you are legally an adult, then you're an adult and can do the things that adults are entitled to do - drink, vote, marry.
I think it really blurs clear lines to extend a requirement beyond the law, and that would be unfair.
I totally get the need to ensure that anyone doing sw has reached the age of consent and complies with the law, but the stance that CB has taken that an age-verified broadcaster can be banned based on a subjective opinion on how old they appear, and asked to try again in 6 months, is downright crazy. FFS come on.......

 

[rockin_rod]

She had a marketing team behind her at 16 years old.

Which strategy she no doubt agreed to, with the awareness that it would make her rich.
So who is exploiting who?

 

[Vixxen81]

Which strategy she no doubt agreed to, with the awareness that it would make her rich.
So who is exploiting who?

To accuse a 16 year old of exploiting her elders is a really rich concept given her background. I'm not really sure you understand the entire scope of her situation but you could read up on it.

 

[rockin_rod]

To accuse a 16 year old of exploiting her elders is a really rich concept given her background. I'm not really sure you understand the entire scope of her situation but you could read up on it.

No homework required thanks, let's just agree that we disagree.

 

[Smoothie]

the stance that CB has taken that an age-verified broadcaster can be banned based on a subjective opinion on how old they appear, and asked to try again in 6 months, is downright crazy. FFS come on.......

At the very least, it reveals that they’re not fully confident in their own system of verifying identities and ages when models register.

CB will ban someone they were previously convinced were of legal age, and have documentation proving as much. If they’re gonna let their gut feeling override their own verification process, perhaps the verification process needs improving.

 

[rockin_rod]

At the very least, it reveals that they’re not fully confident in their own system of verifying identities and ages when models register.

CB will ban someone they were previously convinced were of legal age, and have documentation proving as much. If they’re gonna let their gut feeling override their own verification process, perhaps the verification process needs improving.

Yeah, have made the same comment in other related threads. If you don't trust your own verification process, fix it. And if you do trust it, have the courage to stand behind it and back broadcasters that rely on this to keep working.

 

[Vixxen81]

At the very least, it reveals that they’re not fully confident in their own system of verifying identities and ages when models register.

CB will ban someone they were previously convinced were of legal age, and have documentation proving as much. If they’re gonna let their gut feeling override their own verification process, perhaps the verification process needs improving.

It's user reports and chat dialogue that gets a user terminated. Has nothing to do with their AI verification system process. If one is determined to use false documents, the software yeets it and they come here about it.

 

[Marceline]

I am 100% on board with every thought expressed here. I feel that way as well. Part of what makes our business hot is the taboo nature of it all, the secrecy. Don't let the wife find out, etc. I think that's WHY politicians want to ban it. It's too easy to see their favorite e-guy jerk it senseless and there's no shame in it any more as a viewer. Easily accessible and thousands to choose from, their upbringing dictates that sex must be shameful instead of empowering. It's like a giant onion instead of a giant peach, so many layers on consent and ethics, free will, plus free speech and decency.

In my opinion, a huge reason why conservative politicians want to ban porn, or at the very least make it much harder to access, is because they believe it will make them look more favorable to their conservative constituents. And there’s a few reasons why conservatives hate porn, or rather, the people who create it.

While I do think some people are against it for moral/religious reasons, I think a lot more people use that as a cover up for their insecurities. There’s a lot of women who hate porn just because they don’t want their boyfriend/husband watching it. It makes them jealous and insecure. And then, there’s a lot of men who are insecure over women making money off of sex/their sexuality, especially when they believe those women are making more money than them. Using women sex workers as the example here, because I think misogyny plays a huge role in it as well (and because you don’t see people complaining nearly as much about male sex workers like they complain about women sex workers, although I’m definitely not saying that doesn’t happen).

And yeah, there’s definitely those who were raised to believe that sex and masturbation is dirty or shameful, instead of a natural and healthy part of adult life.

You also have those people who have bought into the narrative that the entire industry is shady and mostly comprised of people trafficked into it. I’m not saying that there isn’t shady people or studios in the industry and that trafficking doesn’t happen. But some against the industry would like to make it seem like that’s all the industry is comprised of, which is not true at all. And unfortunately, this is the narrative that a lot of politicians run on. Look at Fosta/Sesta. According to our lawmakers, it was supposed to be about stopping sex trafficking. In three days it will be five years since it became law. It has led to no additional trafficking arrests and instead was a huge waste of tax payer’s money and put fssws at more harm. It was a failure on every front. IMO, not only was it just a way to hurt sex workers, but it was also a way to test how far they could get away with removing our rights. Shortly after was when conservatives, the supposed advocates for free speech, wanted to repeal section 230, which had already been attacked with Fosta/Sesta. I firmly believe that when the government wants to try stripping the people of certain rights, they will first do a test run using marginalized groups that the vast majority of the public don’t care about, or at the very least don’t care about their rights.

And then, in the case of the politician who wrote the law that got passed in my state which has gotten me basically geoblocked from IWC, some want to say it’s “to help the children”. My state is ranked one of the lowest in education and poverty, and my city in particular (which is within a fifteen minute drive from that politician’s district) has the highest crime rates in the US. Teenagers are committing crimes like crazy. It made national news when three kids carjacked a woman in the middle of the day, the carjacking resulted in her very brutal murder in broad daylight. But, instead of focusing on issues like the poor education systems and the crime (and a slew of other issues in this shitty state), they decide to focus on making it harder to access porn. Cool.

What really pisses me off about the whole thing is how so many of these politicians who are vocally against the industry are the same ones who get caught paying sex workers, liking porn on their Twitter accounts, and even worse, the ones ones who say it’s “for the children” getting caught and sometimes (unfortunately not all the time) charged with assaulting minors. It’s such bullshit.

Sorry to go off on a tangent. This is basically one of two hills that I’m very willing to die on.

 

[Vixxen81]

In my opinion, a huge reason why conservative politicians want to ban porn, or at the very least make it much harder to access, is because they believe it will make them look more favorable to their conservative constituents. And there’s a few reasons why conservatives hate porn, or rather, the people who create it.

While I do think some people are against it for moral/religious reasons, I think a lot more people use that as a cover up for their insecurities. There’s a lot of women who hate porn just because they don’t want their boyfriend/husband watching it. It makes them jealous and insecure. And then, there’s a lot of men who are insecure over women making money off of sex/their sexuality, especially when they believe those women are making more money than them. Using women sex workers as the example here, because I think misogyny plays a huge role in it as well (and because you don’t see people complaining nearly as much about male sex workers like they complain about women sex workers, although I’m definitely not saying that doesn’t happen).

And yeah, there’s definitely those who were raised to believe that sex and masturbation is dirty or shameful, instead of a natural and healthy part of adult life.

You also have those people who have bought into the narrative that the entire industry is shady and mostly comprised of people trafficked into it. I’m not saying that there isn’t shady people or studios in the industry and that trafficking doesn’t happen. But some against the industry would like to make it seem like that’s all the industry is comprised of, which is not true at all. And unfortunately, this is the narrative that a lot of politicians run on. Look at Fosta/Sesta. According to our lawmakers, it was supposed to be about stopping sex trafficking. In three days it will be five years since it became law. It has led to no additional trafficking arrests and instead was a huge waste of tax payer’s money and put fssws at more harm. It was a failure on every front. IMO, not only was it just a way to hurt sex workers, but it was also a way to test how far they could get away with removing our rights. Shortly after was when conservatives, the supposed advocates for free speech, wanted to repeal section 230, which had already been attacked with Fosta/Sesta. I firmly believe that when the government wants to try stripping the people of certain rights, they will first do a test run using marginalized groups that the vast majority of the public don’t care about, or at the very least don’t care about their rights.

And then, in the case of the politician who wrote the law that got passed in my state which has gotten me basically geoblocked from IWC, some want to say it’s “to help the children”. My state is ranked one of the lowest in education and poverty, and my city in particular (which is within a fifteen minute drive from that politician’s district) has the highest crime rates in the US. Teenagers are committing crimes like crazy. It made national news when three kids carjacked a woman in the middle of the day, the carjacking resulted in her very brutal murder in broad daylight. But, instead of focusing on issues like the poor education systems and the crime (and a slew of other issues in this shitty state), they decide to focus on making it harder to access porn. Cool.

What really pisses me off about the whole thing is how so many of these politicians who are vocally against the industry are the same ones who get caught paying sex workers, liking porn on their Twitter accounts, and even worse, the ones ones who say it’s “for the children” getting caught and sometimes (unfortunately not all the time) charged with assaulting minors. It’s such bullshit.

Sorry to go off on a tangent. This is basically one of two hills that I’m very willing to die on.

I'd donate to your campaign if you ever wanted to run for office. Everything you typed here is a stinging reminder of why I play things so close to the vest with this industry. It could all disappear in the blink of an eye and then what? (Rhetorical, mostly.) We have a long way to go, a very long way.

Perhaps this is where my drive to turn viewers into allies comes from, it's difficult to express how much we see and hear and are asked to do for their benefit.

Being reminded we are human is dehumanizing. We have lives outside of work that include spouses and pets and families and hobbies. Our work just happens to be sexual.

I was on another forum where someone talked about being an actor. Their agent called, said they had a part on a crime drama for them. Would he be okay playing a dead male prostitute? Without hesitation he said yes to the gig.

He was given more agency in that moment than most sex workers will ever have. It angered me that he would never get any pushback for that role or made to feel like he sold his soul for money. I cannot count the number of times a guy has tried to rescue me from myself in this business. I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't want to get preachy, so I'll stop typing...but yeah our fight goes on..

 

[wild_bunz]

Just wanted to share, Had the biggest lunch and now I don’t want to stream… I thought food was meant to give us energy but why do I just wanna nap every time

 

[maskedsissyslutforyou]

Interestingly (perhaps) you have to be 18 n Australia to do such work, even though the age of consent here is 16.

The age of consent in the US is 16 in a number of states. So in at least some of those states an 18 year old can have sex with a 16 year old and it not be illegal. But if that 18 year old has any photos/videos of the 16 year old nude in a sexual context then that can be treated as child porn and may put someone in jail for quite a while and get them labeled as a sexual predator for life. So in the US 18 is a hard limit, and anything younger may be treated/charged as child porn.

 

[Lilly_____]

I just hate the term c porn. That's not porn, that's abuse in its worst form, and naming it porn is just fucked up.

 

[Vixxen81]

I am tragically bored with life. Not living, just life as it is. It was fine when being in this house 24/7 was my choice but it sucks when a pandemic and lack of money decided for me.

 

[MarieElise]

It really pushes my buttons hard when I get lumped in with other groups. I purposefully speak my true thoughts, and don't go along with others, unless I actually do agree with them. However I keep getting lumped in. Fucking pisses me off HARD! Just needed to put that out there and vent. Fuck it. Hurtful. I'm one of the most contrary, least likely persons to ever go along with ANY group, just to fucking go along. Truth.

 

[Smoothie]

It really pushes my buttons hard when I get lumped in with other groups. I purposefully speak my true thoughts, and don't go along with others, unless I actually do agree with them. However I keep getting lumped in. Fucking pisses me off HARD! Just needed to put that out there and vent. Fuck it. Hurtful. I'm one of the most contrary, least likely persons to ever go along with ANY group, just to fucking go along. Truth.

Same. I hate when people sum you up to what they imagine you to be - because of stereotypes, or because it fits a narrative or is simply a hunch. Some people, you could spend an eternity showing them who you are, and they’ll still think of you as some caricature they’ve drawn in their heads. It’s infuriating.

 

[MarieElise]

Same. I hate when people sum you up to what they imagine you to be - because of stereotypes, or because it fits a narrative or is simply a hunch. Some people, you could spend an eternity showing them who you are, and they’ll still think of you as some caricature they’ve drawn in their heads. It’s infuriating.

What a nice way of saying it.
Or it could also, perhaps, be put; Yes, some people are fucking crazy and have their head up their own ass

 

[Lilly_____]

Same. I hate when people sum you up to what they imagine you to be - because of stereotypes, or because it fits a narrative or is simply a hunch. Some people, you could spend an eternity showing them who you are, and they’ll still think of you as some caricature they’ve drawn in their heads. It’s infuriating.

This happens to me so much in dating. Men will create an idea of me and from some point on just stop listening to what I'm actually saying because they "got me all figured out" already. It really amazes me how in the beginning they're always so enchanted and attentive until it's not a novelty anymore, then bam, whatever idea they created of you stays forever.

 

[Deleted member 57737]

You all just described a problem I know very well but I never found the proper words for it. Its like when you come into a group and there are some people who try everything to characterize you as fast as possible. And before you know it everyone seems to exactly know what you are all about. Its often mixed with pseudo humor which is often just a sign of insecurity. For some people its more important to belong to a group than to express themselves and their point of view. I'm not completely free of it. Its great to belong to a group of people, but I'm finding it harder year by year.

 

[MarieElise]

You all just described a problem I know very well but I never found the proper words for it. Its like when you come into a group and there are some people who try everything to characterize you as fast as possible. And before you know it everyone seems to exactly know what you are all about. Its often mixed with pseudo humor which is often just a sign of insecurity. For some people its more important to belong to a group than to express themselves and their point of view. I'm not completely free of it. Its great to belong to a group of people, but I'm finding it harder year by year.

Some groups are healthier than others too. But, yes, balancing existing within a group and expressing individuality is definitely difficult for me. I always chose individuality every time though. Doesn’t always make me very popular, but I obviously don’t care about that as much. Different people have different values though. I don’t place too high a value on approval of others, but I do place a huge value on approval of self.

Some groups are fairly healthy though, which is nice. I learned a lot about group dynamics in a group therapy, and group psychology class I took. Usually the more insecure people feel within a group, the more toxic it’s norms become. A lot is down to leadership on that Imhe.

At least this forum’s a good, healthy one.

 

[Smoothie]

What a nice way of saying it.
Or it could also, perhaps, be put; Yes, some people are fucking crazy and have their head up their own ass

Definitely a lot of asshattery going on in the world today as well, no doubt. And a whole lot of crazy.