Extreme Measures to be Hidden

[AudriTwo]

Seriously. If your privacy matters that much get a part time job. How much do you pull in each cam session? How much do you make a year in your vanilla job? Which is more sustainable long-term?

I've seen what couples make and unless you are in the top 10-20% you'd make more p/t in the vanilla workforce.

Shit gets pirated and reposted constantly. Geoblock does practically nothing.

not to mention concealing your faces will make it a lot harder to earn. there are other options to make money at home, OPs

here are some resources and other options.

It's terrible how women are dragged through the mud for things like having posed nude, etc. However, there are plenty of other ways to earn money, if you're unsure about working in the adult industry.

You should check out the following work from home job resources:

https://realwaystoearnmoneyonline.com/

You can sign up for their free e-mail mailing list (They also have a Facebook page), so that you get updates - on new work from home jobs - sent to your e-mail address. The lady even has a list of 'Work whenever you want' work-from-home jobs.
https://realwaystoearnmoneyonline.com/big-list-of-work-whenever-you-want-jobs-from-home/

Rat Race Rebellion is another awesome site that updates frequently with the latest work from home jobs, and they too have an e-mail mailing list...and a Facebook page.
https://ratracerebellion.com/

There's another site called Work At Home Mom Revolution (also with an e-mail mailing list). I had to unfollow their Facebook page, though, because they were getting too many strange spambots posting in the comments section, it was annoying.
https://workathomemomrevolution.com/

Also, Indeed.com is a great site for searching for jobs in your local area. When I worked as the Easter bunny at the mall, and as a Santa's helper, I had applied for those jobs through Indeed. I had also found a great daycare center job through Indeed.
https://www.indeed.com/

 

[Deleted member 44429]

Seriously. If your privacy matters that much get a part time job. How much do you pull in each cam session? How much do you make a year in your vanilla job? Which is more sustainable long-term?

I've seen what couples make and unless you are in the top 10-20% you'd make more p/t in the vanilla workforce.

Shit gets pirated and reposted constantly. Geoblock does practically nothing.

It just works great as a job we can do beside studying at the moment, we also do online design freelance work, but with studying its hard to find the time. Whereas like this we can make a few hundred in a couple of hours and then log off. Every time we broadcast we are on the top half of featured page and in the top two rows of cams on the couple page.

As we said, we aren't worried about the reposting because of how much we hid ourselves, so that even if someone stumbled across our video, they wouldn't immediately think of us. We are aware the geoblock isn't that helpful. We aren't that worried about our reposted videos because the videos that are being reposted have barely any views on those websites, and we removed them from major websites. In public shows we only tease, we do real sexual acts only in private and crazyticket, so nothing special is being reposted. Also, we don't mind if one random friend finds out, the point is simply if it becomes associated with our name, which would be tough seeing as you cant prove its us.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

not to mention concealing your faces will make it a lot harder to earn. there are other options to make money at home, OPs

here are some resources and other options.

Thanks for the resources we really appreciate it! We are already doing online design freelance work alongside our studies. However, hiding our faces with venetian masks and cutting off as much as possible has actually made users more curious and they often tip a lot to try and get us to remove them. We are getting really good rates at the moment and are always in the top two rows on couples and in the top half of the featured page, far more than we would make in a part time job after our classes.

We may be a tad naive but we both have entrepreneurial projects we fund with this money, and we aren't too worried about videos being reposted as with the measures we took its hard to prove its us. If one friend has a suspect that one video is of us, thats not a big problem, as long as it can't be fully proven its us.

 

[Mila_]

As we said, we aren't worried about the reposting because of how much we hid ourselves, so that even if someone stumbled across our video, they wouldn't immediately think of us. We are aware the geoblock isn't that helpful. We aren't that worried about our reposted videos because the videos that are being reposted have barely any views on those websites, and we removed them from major websites. In public shows we only tease, we do real sexual acts only in private and crazyticket, so nothing special is being reposted. Also, we don't mind if one random friend finds out, the point is simply if it becomes associated with our name, which would be tough seeing as you cant prove its us.

Many models have given you sensible advice that you refuse to even acknowledge. The problem with your approach is you are assuming the best scenario will be the outcome when there are many things that could go wrong. The more you cam the more you will expose yourselves. I think there is no point in stressing the real risks of your project anymore, but good luck and I hope it never comes out.

 

[AwesomeKate]

This thread is so annoying.

"We are really nervous about getting our identities revealed so please lie to us and say it will never ever happen. Thanks."

How about no. The truth about sex work is that people are constantly trying to discover and expose a performer's name and address. There is no way to guarantee this doesn't happen.

We have to make this fact clear so that curious people researching this topic know the risks. You guys can continue to live in your dream world but everyone else should know that you absolutely have not discovered a fool proof method against being doxxed and there never will be one.

 

[Wolf_3_5_9]

So what do you think are the chances of someone recognising us if 2-3 of our videos have been posted on a 3-4 websites, and have less than a few hundred views, among the sea of other videos there?

OP asks for opinions, then proceeds to dispute every opinion.

Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind so....best wishes to you?

 

[Dan Epstein]

I just Goggled my name, and it appears that I'm already associated with the adult industry online, and that I can't hide anymore

 

[ElaySmith]

They told us we could not show our face? So far it hasn't been a problem for viewers or tips amounts.

If yall asked and clarified with admin then maybe yall will be lucky.

We appreciate your advice. However, how would we be recognised if all our viewers are coming from countries that we don't know, and furthermore our videos being reposted have nothing recognisable and hardly any views on those websites. We don't have anything particularly striking about our bodies that could allow us to be recognised. So how do you suppose we will 100% be recognised? With masks, wigs, minimal head showing, lack of recognising factors...are you saying people hack accounts to out you?

Geo blocking is not an end all be all fail safe. It it brings you peace of mind then sure use it, but people travel and they use vpn's, there are ways around geo blocking... so yes its still very possible to be seen.

As a little bonus I feel like everybody that comes here with this mentality should be directed to the Reality Check thread. Its old, its long but its relevant so spend some time there looking it over.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

a clip of me from a capped stream was posted on facebook and went viral there. (5million+ views) after it was viral on reddit and twitter. family friend saw it and slowly told everyone. my husband's safety was on the line because i thought my family was going to kill him (no joke, had to get a restraining order)

i constantly changed my hair, changed my look/style, wore different makeup, hid tattoos, limited my online presence, you name it.


goodness you guys are way too naive. please listen to us when we say there is no sure way to get you not outed. sure there are precautions you can take. but it's not a guarantee. many many other models can say the same thing. there are a few who are able to keep it a secret, but i say few for a reason. the internet is for primarily used to share things you find with others, remember.

also geoblocks don't always work. vpns are a real thing and a lot more people are using them today then normal. capers will take clips of your shows and put everywhere on the internet.

if this is something you two really want to do, it is better to be prepared for when the cat does get out of the bag.

What was in the video that made it go viral? We don't do much in public shows that makes it worthwhile to share, we save it for private and ticket shows. Surely with the amount of stuff on the internet nowadays its hard for a random couple amateur sex vid to go viral, out of the millions out there?

 

[Deleted member 44429]

Many models have given you sensible advice that you refuse to even acknowledge. The problem with your approach is you are assuming the best scenario will be the outcome when there are many things that could go wrong. The more you cam the more you will expose yourselves. I think there is no point in stressing the real risks of your project anymore, but good luck and I hope it never comes out.

We acknowledge the sensible advice, we know there is a risk, but some models said we will be found, 100%, and our name will become associated. We are saying there is a chance maybe it will stay hidden due to the precautions, we know it is still possible, but everything in life has a risk, we are just arguing the risk can somewhat be reduced.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

If yall asked and clarified with admin then maybe yall will be lucky.


Geo blocking is not an end all be all fail safe. It it brings you peace of mind then sure use it, but people travel and they use vpn's, there are ways around geo blocking... so yes its still very possible to be seen.

As a little bonus I feel like everybody that comes here with this mentality should be directed to the Reality Check thread. Its old, its long but its relevant so spend some time there looking it over.

Yeah we use a vpn ourselves to broadcast, and we don't mind if someone recognises us as long as they can't prove its us, thanks for the thread, we will be sure to read it. We are just arguing that taking some precautions isn't pointless in reducing the risk of how many people find out, if one or two people have a suspicion its us, we don't mind so much.

 

[Guy]

We acknowledge the sensible advice, we know there is a risk, but some models said we will be found, 100%, and our name will become associated. We are saying there is a chance maybe it will stay hidden due to the precautions, we know it is still possible, but everything in life has a risk, we are just arguing the risk can somewhat be reduced.

I just did some searching on Pornhub. There are pirated recordings of couple shows that have over 1 million views.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

I just Goggled my name, and it appears that I'm already associated with the adult industry online, and that I can't hide anymore

hahahaha we didn't see your photo and role because we were answering the forum messages on our phone, so we assumed you were a cam model when we asked how you had been found out.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

I just did some searching on Pornhub. There are pirated recordings of couple shows that have over 1 million views.

Yeah we found them of us too, even though they had only a couple of hundred views luckily we found them very easy to remove from real porn websites such as camwhores, or pornhub. Only on the automated bot websites that have copyright locations in countries like Panama we are aware they wont follow DMCA laws, but we aren't worried about those pay to see websites as much, as they have almost zero clicks.

 

[a_haze420]

So why exactly did this thread get created?
You've said your worried about being found out but then you aren't.
We tell you there is always a good chance to be found out and you deny this.
I was found by someone I knew within mere weeks of starting to cam.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

OP asks for opinions, then proceeds to dispute every opinion.

Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind so....best wishes to you?

We understand there is always a risk, we know someone might pass by one of our videos we don't get removed on a website, or on one of those unindexed bot websites, and despite all our appearance changes, still recognises us. Or someone with a vpn finds us, or a customer tries to expose us. Our point is more to minimise our appearance similarities sufficiently as to make it possible for us to deny that it is in fact us on camera.

So why exactly did this thread get created?
You've said your worried about being found out but then you aren't.
We tell you there is always a good chance to be found out and you deny this.
I was found by someone I knew within mere weeks of starting to cam.

We are aware we can be found out, we were just asking if these precautions are basically pointless, in other words if there is a chance we will be able to stay hidden, despite hiding everything so thoroughly. Because some other threads suggest its impossible to stay hidden, but we are just saying with some precautions you can at least reduce the risk.

 

[Guy]

Yeah we use a vpn ourselves to broadcast, and we don't mind if someone recognises us as long as they can't prove its us, thanks for the thread, we will be sure to read it. We are just arguing that taking some precautions isn't pointless in reducing the risk of how many people find out, if one or two people have a suspicion its us, we don't mind so much.

Do you realize that if just one person finds out, they could record one of your shows and send the video to multiple people?

 

[a_haze420]

We understand there is always a risk, we know someone might pass by one of our videos we don't get removed on a website, or on one of those unindexed bot websites, and despite all our appearance changes, still recognises us. Or someone with a vpn finds us, or a customer tries to expose us. Our point is more to minimise our appearance similarities sufficiently as to make it possible for us to deny that it is in fact us on camera.



We are aware we can be found out, we were just asking if these precautions are basically pointless, in other words if there is a chance we will be able to stay hidden, despite hiding everything so thoroughly. Because some other threads suggest its impossible to stay hidden, but we are just saying with some precautions you can at least reduce the risk.

You can use all the precautions you want but you can still be found out.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I'm so confused.

You're worried enough about being outed to go to the effort of disguising yourselves, geo-blocking your country, and starting a thread here to ask for models' advice about privacy.

But now that you're being told point-blank by a number of experienced models that being outed is a very real possibility no matter what preventative measures you take, you're now doing a 180 and arguing that you shouldn't be worried about being outed?

Which is it?

 

[Emberblaze]

Sooooo one time a guy recognized me by my socks. Not even fucking kidding. Then he started digging and was able to find it was me. This wasn't even camming but an anonymous fetlife account. My socks. That's all he needed to see. My socks in shot of a picture focused on someone else.


Also geoblock is helpful to stop people from your area bothering you but fucking useless to stop you from being found out. If someone caps your show (even a private or Skype show which they absolutely do) there's no geoblock on that show as it gets passed around the internet. Do you think people only record you in public? Wrong.

There's also the fact that while your family/bosses may not find you some crazy ass motherfucker member might decide they hate you and go out of their way to doxx you and call your family, friends, bosses themselves. Members unfortunately are not all of sound mental health and it happens.

The internet is never secure. I've had an online stalker for 13 fucking years. He's been in and out of my accounts and my sister's accounts (she's an easier target than me). I finally managed to keep him out of my shit and he managed to get into hers and access information about me I tried to keep hidden. I have unique passwords for every single important site I use, 2 step verification AND STILL some of those sites have password breaches and someone (I assume my OG stalker since he was harassing my sister at the same time and security alerts gave our city) managed to get into the email account my bills were under probably accessing my address. And this is a man with no formal computer training. So what happens if a crazed member with an it background gets into one of your accounts associated with camming and gets your personal info? Like your address or legal name?

This fucked up shit happens. And even if people can't proveeeee it's you if you are similar height and build that's enough for people to believe what they want to believe. Even prospective employers when they Google your name and that's what they find.

You are never safe from being outted. Don't forget someone recognized my socks once.

 

[Guy]

Sooooo one time a guy recognized me by my socks. Not even fucking kidding. Then he started digging and was able to find it was me. This wasn't even camming but an anonymous fetlife account. My socks. That's all he needed to see. My socks in shot of a picture focused on someone else.


Also geoblock is helpful to stop people from your area bothering you but fucking useless to stop you from being found out. If someone caps your show (even a private or Skype show which they absolutely do) there's no geoblock on that show as it gets passed around the internet. Do you think people only record you in public? Wrong.

There's also the fact that while your family/bosses may not find you some crazy ass motherfucker member might decide they hate you and go out of their way to doxx you and call your family, friends, bosses themselves. Members unfortunately are not all of sound mental health and it happens.

The internet is never secure. I've had an online stalker for 13 fucking years. He's been in and out of my accounts and my sister's accounts (she's an easier target than me). I finally managed to keep him out of my shit and he managed to get into hers and access information about me I tried to keep hidden. I have unique passwords for every single important site I use, 2 step verification AND STILL some of those sites have password breaches and someone (I assume my OG stalker since he was harassing my sister at the same time and security alerts gave our city) managed to get into the email account my bills were under probably accessing my address. And this is a man with no formal computer training. So what happens if a crazed member with an it background gets into one of your accounts associated with camming and gets your personal info? Like your address or legal name?

This fucked up shit happens. And even if people can't proveeeee it's you if you are similar height and build that's enough for people to believe what they want to believe. Even prospective employers when they Google your name and that's what they find.

You are never safe from being outted. Don't forget someone recognized my socks once.

Did you ever call the cops on him? Just curious.

 

[Emberblaze]

Did you ever call the cops on him? Just curious.

Yup. Only accomplishes making him angrier.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

I'm so confused.

You're worried enough about being outed to go to the effort of disguising yourselves, geo-blocking your country, and starting a thread here to ask for models' advice about privacy.

But now that you're being told point-blank by a number of experienced models that being outed is a very real possibility no matter what preventative measures you take, you're now doing a 180 and arguing that you shouldn't be worried about being outed?

Which is it?

We ARE worried about a computer savvy customer tracking down our location or identity despite our VPN.

We AREN'T particularly worried about someone we know stumbling across a vid of us, because we don't think we would be recognised and there are low chances in our opinion of them finding it considering we have been getting them removed from any website that isn't a small automated website and the fact we aren't visible in any thumbnails so far.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

Sooooo one time a guy recognized me by my socks. Not even fucking kidding. Then he started digging and was able to find it was me. This wasn't even camming but an anonymous fetlife account. My socks. That's all he needed to see. My socks in shot of a picture focused on someone else.


Also geoblock is helpful to stop people from your area bothering you but fucking useless to stop you from being found out. If someone caps your show (even a private or Skype show which they absolutely do) there's no geoblock on that show as it gets passed around the internet. Do you think people only record you in public? Wrong.

There's also the fact that while your family/bosses may not find you some crazy ass motherfucker member might decide they hate you and go out of their way to doxx you and call your family, friends, bosses themselves. Members unfortunately are not all of sound mental health and it happens.

The internet is never secure. I've had an online stalker for 13 fucking years. He's been in and out of my accounts and my sister's accounts (she's an easier target than me). I finally managed to keep him out of my shit and he managed to get into hers and access information about me I tried to keep hidden. I have unique passwords for every single important site I use, 2 step verification AND STILL some of those sites have password breaches and someone (I assume my OG stalker since he was harassing my sister at the same time and security alerts gave our city) managed to get into the email account my bills were under probably accessing my address. And this is a man with no formal computer training. So what happens if a crazed member with an it background gets into one of your accounts associated with camming and gets your personal info? Like your address or legal name?

This fucked up shit happens. And even if people can't proveeeee it's you if you are similar height and build that's enough for people to believe what they want to believe. Even prospective employers when they Google your name and that's what they find.

You are never safe from being outted. Don't forget someone recognized my socks once.

We are sorry for what sounds like an awful ordeal. We will definitely keep this in mind as that is exactly what we are afraid of, much more than someone we know somehow recognising us through our bodies or wigged/masked faces. He managed to enter your private accounts which weren't associated with your camming account?

 

[ElaySmith]

What was in the video that made it go viral? We don't do much in public shows that makes it worthwhile to share, we save it for private and ticket shows. Surely with the amount of stuff on the internet nowadays its hard for a random couple amateur sex vid to go viral, out of the millions out there?

Not doing public shows will def help with capping but in all honesty there are plenty of capped videos of girls doing nothing more than sitting in front of there computers chatting with the room, and on the other end of this there are still those guys who cap private shows. Its happens less often than full on public shows but it does happen.

We may be a tad naive but we both have entrepreneurial projects we fund with this money, and we aren't too worried about videos being reposted as with the measures we took its hard to prove its us. If one friend has a suspect that one video is of us, thats not a big problem, as long as it can't be fully proven its us.

I see this repeated several time throughout the thread "As long as they can't prove its us"...... yes its going to be harder to prove its you with masks and wigs etc but lets be honest once one person suspects it will likely spread and fast. I think you may be over looking another important aspect of this, you will know that they know, now wether they can prove it or not idk but it will still weigh on you. You will always be wondering if they can prove it and just waiting on the other shoe to drop. Also, what happens when there is some sort of malfunction? Your mask falls off, one of your tattoos is accidentally seen? maybe the camera falls and exposes your faces? It only takes ones time and PROOF.

 

[mynameisbob84]

We are sorry for what sounds like an awful ordeal. We will definitely keep this in mind as that is exactly what we are afraid of, much more than someone we know somehow recognising us through our bodies or wigged/masked faces. He managed to enter your private accounts which weren't associated with your camming account?

So then what was the purpose of the thread? If you're convinced that your disguises are good enough, and there's nothing anybody here can say to convince you otherwise?

I would think there are considerations other than the disguises. What if someone recognises the room you're in? What if one of the disguises falls off during a live show? What if someone sees through the disguise? What if you split up and use the videos as ammunition against one another? Does one of you stand to lose more than the other if the videos get out?

If you're asking whether people you know will see the videos/images, then the answer is 'quite possibly'. If you're asking whether people you know will recognise you, then that's something nobody here can answer for sure, but in all likelihood, the answer again, is 'quite possibly'.

 

[Deleted member 44429]

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So then what was the purpose of the thread? If you're convinced that your disguises are good enough, and there's nothing anybody here can say to convince you otherwise?

I would think there are considerations other than the disguises. What if someone recognises the room you're in? What if one of the disguises falls off during a live show? What if someone sees through the disguise? What if you split up and use the videos as ammunition against one another? Does one of you stand to lose more than the other if the videos get out?

If you're asking whether people you know will see the videos/images, then the answer is 'quite possibly'. If you're asking whether people you know will recognise you, then that's something nobody here can answer for sure, but in all likelihood, the answer again, is 'quite possibly'.

Purpose was to see if its completely pointless to take all these precautions and we should just say fuck it, because it seems some people are convinced we will 100% be recognised no matter what, whereas we thought it minimised the risk to something more acceptable for our psyches.

Room is emptied and white walled, and the disguise falling off is a possibility I guess but as I said we have a mask and also cut off our faces in sexual positions as they are there for our bodies anyway. A mask broke once while fucking but as our faces were off camera we fixed it before returning on cam. The split up and ammunition point is moot seeing as we already had private mutual sex videos together with our faces in clear view before starting, we like recording hahaha. I (him) don't stand to lose as much as I have entrepreneurial projects and companies going on and don't plan on working for someone else ever, I'm using this to fund some of these endeavours. She stands more to lose as she is pursuing a more system based career path. Quite possibly is an okay answer for us, we have managed to remove any videos on the popular websites, and we will simply hope people don't recognise us from some thumbnail where you can barely see us. We don't care about the bot websites with a few hundred views per vid, as most aren't even indexed on google. I guess we will take the risk.

 

[AudriTwo]

What was in the video that made it go viral? We don't do much in public shows that makes it worthwhile to share, we save it for private and ticket shows. Surely with the amount of stuff on the internet nowadays its hard for a random couple amateur sex vid to go viral, out of the millions out there?

it was from a private show. im on a site that doesn't do public shows.

 

[Mila_]

Quite possibly is an okay answer for us, we have managed to remove any videos on the popular websites, and we will simply hope people don't recognise us from some thumbnail where you can barely see us. We don't care about the bot websites with a few hundred views per vid, as most aren't even indexed on google. I guess we will take the risk.

very easy to remove from real porn websites such as camwhores

Placing Pornhub next to a site like Camwhores tells me exactly how much you know about DMCA and how to keep yourself and your girlfriend safe. Camwhores is one of the most difficult sites to remove content from. Securom, the admin is russian, he hosts the videos in a very cheap server but rerouts using Quasinetworks, a bulletproof server that hosts all kinds of shit including CP. The only reason he is removing your shit is because Chaturbate decided to sponsor his website a few months ago on the condition that he removes Chaturbate models recordings. Here is a relevant thread from about a year ago that you should probably read:

https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/bongacams-please-explain-this-shit.25367/

But here is the thing with Camwhores: as the community grows they keep posting more and more videos daily. My attorney has to send my list of links EVERY DAY because it is every day that my stuff gets posted there. It's gotten to a point in which they keep uploading things but without using my model name so my attorney doesn't find it, but he is good so he still finds it. If you ever become popular this will happen to you as well. You wont be able to keep up with the DMCA requests. Sites like Xvideos take about a week to remove your shit, and if you ever record "premium" videos Camwhores might not even delete them on the grounds that it isn't material that belongs to Chaturbate. Now go ahead and check Anon V. Last time I visited they didn't have any agreement with CB so they wont remove your stuff no matter what you say. Go to rec-tube as well.

And by the way... if your model name is the same as your username here, your stuff is really easy to find and you wear no wigs, no heavy make up, just masks. I could recognize you anywhere.

 

[AudriTwo]

Question: Why do people even ask for our advice, expertise, and opinion when they just turn around and argue with it? This happens all the time.

Yes the precautions you take are pretty much pointless. it might make it harder. But there are people who are fantastic at finding people with just a little bit of your face showing.

I know this has bit of a comedic element to it, but it shows you how people were able to locate someone with just little information. I have found people doing the same for me and other models.