If you could change anything about camming what would it be?

[JoleneBrody]

I don't really think of it like that. But regardless we all come up with the same answer to how much a model gets (in $$) and thats all that matters to me... lol

I'm actually concerned that you might have some incorrect information based on your previous statements. It does not take two tokens tipped to you to equal one in your payout. A token is worth a nickel always and forever across the board. A member pays a certain amount to MFC in order to purchase that token but for you no percentage of YOUR earnings are taken from you.

 

[Teagan]

Think of it in different terms unrelated to camming. Let's say you wanted to go to some concert event and you have to buy tickets through Ticketmaster.com.

The concert costs $30 a ticket. But Ticketmaster then charges building facility charge, processing fee, service fee and convenience fee. Those extra fees come to $19.50. Your total cost is now $49.50.

The artist is only getting 60.6% ($30 divided by $49.50) of what you gave Ticketmaster. Did they rip off the artist, did they take money away from him and only give him 61% of his money? No. They gave him 100% of his money. Everything he was asking for completely. Ticketmaster however did charge an extra fee to you to handle the transaction.

You are the artist, mfc is Ticketmaster. MFC took nothing away from you, they gave you the full asking price you were promised when I tipped you. They however charged ME an extra fee to handle that transaction. You got 100% of the money that I tipped you.

That is how you should be thinking of it. MFC (or any other camsite) doesn't keep any of your money. They charge extra to the members.

Its all just how you look at it and EITHER way is right. Whether its MFC charging the member or MFC taking a cut of the models earnings. Both equal to the same thing of a model gets 5 cents so it makes no difference really when it comes to that. So there's no need for a this is how you should look at it deal cause both have the same outcome.

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

That is how you should be thinking of it. MFC (or any other camsite) doesn't keep any of your money. They charge extra to the members.

Yeah, no that's not the case on Streamate. I set my rates, I hustle for shows, then they take 65% of everything I make. MFC makes it's money as long as members buy tokens, regardless of if they spend them. SM only makes money once the models convince guys to spend money. So yeah, they're essentially keeping a huge cut of our money.

Just had to point out that it's totally false to say "any other cam site doesn't keep any of your money." They aren't all set up the same.

 

[AmberCutie]

Yeah, no that's not the case on Streamate. I set my rates, I hustle for shows, then they take 65% of everything I make. MFC makes it's money as long as members buy tokens, regardless of if they spend them. SM only makes money once the models convince guys to spend money. So yeah, they're essentially keeping a huge cut of our money.

Just had to point out that it's totally false to say "any other cam site doesn't keep any of your money." They aren't all set up the same.

One of the biggest things that keeps me away from camming on SM is due to this. On a token based site, it's so much easier to just accept that every token that comes in is a nickel, no matter what. And I keep that whole nickel. This thought process helps me. But on SM and other % based sites, the amount you see come in on your screen isn't what you keep. When I was on cams.com many moons ago, it killed me a little inside to see that I had made $20 on a show, but in the end only $7 was going to be on my paycheck. I feel like it would have benefitted the models in that setting to be shown what they MADE instead of what the member PAID.

And thanks @Puffin for your posts about the actual % on MFC. So many times people throw around the "omg they take 50%!" crap and don't even realize that isn't the actual situation overall.

 

[RebeccaT]

I tend to think if I get a tip of 1000 tokens, although I receive £30, the tipper has given me £60 (ish) therefore, I will give £60 worth of reward.

If I give a store £60, I expect £60 worth of goods. I don't care about their overheads. I paid £60, I want £60 worth. I see the percentage that MFC take as MY overhead, my fee for using MFC's system

(I was just curious about the 60% but I get it now.)

 

[AmberCutie]

I tend to think if I get a tip of 1000 tokens, although I receive £30, the tipper has given me £60 (ish) therefore, I will give £60 worth of reward.

If I give a store £60, I expect £60 worth of goods. I don't care about their overheads. I paid £60, I want £60 worth. I see the percentage that MFC take as MY overhead, my fee for using MFC's system

(I was just curious about the 60% but I get it now.)

I guess that's where the difference in thinking comes in. The member gave the site £60 in exchange for the ability to use 1000 tokens. You were then given 1000 tokens.

It's like going to an amusement park and paying $20 for a pack of 100 tickets to use on their games and rides. You paid the guy at the exchange booth already, those tickets in your hand have a certain value to whatever gamemaster or ride conductor you hand them to, but you can't take them to the gift shop and get $20 worth of merchandise. You've exchanged one currency for another, and the value of them is different.

So I see where you're coming from, not trying to argue that. But I believe that many of us enjoy the token concept because we don't have to wrack our brains over the %.

 

[Miss_D]

I'm actually concerned that you might have some incorrect information based on your previous statements. It does not take two tokens tipped to you to equal one in your payout. A token is worth a nickel always and forever across the board. A member pays a certain amount to MFC in order to purchase that token but for you no percentage of YOUR earnings are taken from you.

LoL. No i just worded it wrong probably. Cuz I understand what you meant by this "but for you no percentage of YOUR earnings are taken from you"

 

[BrieLovexo]

Never looked at it that way but I like it.

(I tried quoting ambercutie on mobile but did not work.)

 

[Ambers Troll]

I would really like to take more risks on who I choose to spend on, but that becomes financially reckless pretty quickly because as you take bigger risks there are more chance of getting little in return.
There are a few ways to take more risk, a few extra things sites and models can do to help the member. For example, anything that improves communication would allow more risk taking (translation software and so on).

 

[Ambers Troll]

Models should not focus on larger token packages as a higher return percentage, for MFC it is always $0.05 per token spent. I will admit bonus tokens a member earns or pays for will most likely be spent on the model he/she happens to be spending on, but the model must still earn each one.

 

[Violet Dawn]

Free pizza 24/7

Lol, but in all seriousness. Time wasters and free loaders would be a nice thing to get rid of. And more options for indie cam girls and international girls. But life ain't fair. *sad face*

 

[Mila_]

I would probably change the culture of price undercutting between models on MFC because it is distorting the dynamic and creating a culture of freeloading and high expectations on new premiums that didn't use to be there. When videos were around 200 tokens for the hardcore models on top members knew that anything below that was a small tip that could be spent in games and topics freely. Now that models are lowering the prices to carpet market levels, asking 50 tokens for a video and ridiculous deals such as 150 for all her videos, or "new tippers get a video any amount!" members are unwilling to spend even 10 tokens on a game or a topic: they expect videos as a reward for as little as 5 tokens since they know that is what they will get in other rooms. And this isn't even benefitting the cheap models themselves, how many videos do you have to sell for 10 tokens for it to be worth it? It is spoiling the site across the board.

 

[TaylorMarie_56]

A higher payout % (of course) and less rules. That may be my opinion because I mostly am on Streamate though!

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

So, if someone asked me what I would do to change Streamate's layout this is what I would say.
*Note: this is something that no one but Streamate's higher uppers could change, so Steve won't benefit from this info at all, but I couldn't give less of a shit about guys like him, so whatever.

I think it would be wonderful if SM gave models the opportunity to up the % that we make. This is how I imagine it. If a model works for X amount of months, puts in X amount of hours each month and keeps her average percent of time in paid chat at X%, then her cut get's increased, and there's obviously a cap on how how much we could increase it. If you didn't keep your numbers up to standard, you lose the percent you previously gained. I really think that would encourage us to consistently work our fucking butts off! SM would be making more money, models would be making more money, we'd have some real motivation to consistently log a shit ton of hours, and hustle even harder.

Alas, this is nothing but a dream on my part. I think it'd be fucking awesome though. SM doesn't really give that much of a fuck about us to ever implement something like this, but I think it's a cool idea. I would love to hear my other SM ladies opinions on it!

A cam gal can dream, can't she?

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I would probably change the culture of price undercutting between models on MFC because it is distorting the dynamic and creating a culture of freeloading and high expectations on new premiums that didn't use to be there. When videos were around 200 tokens for the hardcore models on top members knew that anything below that was a small tip that could be spent in games and topics freely. Now that models are lowering the prices to carpet market levels, asking 50 tokens for a video and ridiculous deals such as 150 for all her videos, or "new tippers get a video any amount!" members are unwilling to spend even 10 tokens on a game or a topic: they expect videos as a reward for as little as 5 tokens since they know that is what they will get in other rooms. And this isn't even benefitting the cheap models themselves, how many videos do you have to sell for 10 tokens for it to be worth it? It is spoiling the site across the board.

Not sure that's really a new thing though nor is it a bad thing. I remember the first month I joined around 5 years ago seeing a model selling 78 of her videos for 200 tokens. I seem to remember quite a few doing that. You make new videos to sell at a premium, then bundle the old ones once they aren't selling anymore to entice more people to buy them again because they are getting a deal. Been done in the XXX business for decades.

When DVD's first came out on the market the adult industry thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. They went back through all their old stock and mish-mashed random clips together. Sold it as a 6 hour gonzo DVD (or even 10 hours) for $10 or less. Hell, many times they gave them away free when you bought something else. All those titles that were done making money brought in new money from all over. In fact many of those clips really made a lot more money than they originally did. Not only could a lot more people afford them, but they could sold in multiple gonzo collections. Got a young, small, black woman getting anal. Hell that clip's gonna be on several collections: Barely Legal, Teens, Petites, Waifs, All Black, All Anal. Probably more. And those could sit on the shelf right next to their new big name porn movies they just made that were going for $30 or more. There's always been a market for both. Just makes good business to cater all price points if it increases your bottom line.

 

[Mila_]

Not sure that's really a new thing though nor is it a bad thing. I remember the first month I joined around 5 years ago seeing a model selling 78 of her videos for 200 tokens. I seem to remember quite a few doing that. You make new videos to sell at a premium, then bundle the old ones once they aren't selling anymore to entice more people to buy them again because they are getting a deal. Been done in the XXX business for decades.

When DVD's first came out on the market the adult industry thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. They went back through all their old stock and mish-mashed random clips together. Sold it as a 6 hour gonzo DVD (or even 10 hours) for $10 or less. Hell, many times they gave them away free when you bought something else. All those titles that were done making money brought in new money from all over. In fact many of those clips really made a lot more money than they originally did. Not only could a lot more people afford them, but they could sold in multiple gonzo collections. Got a young, small, black woman getting anal. Hell that clip's gonna be on several collections: Barely Legal, Teens, Petites, Waifs, All Black, All Anal. Probably more. And those could sit on the shelf right next to their new big name porn movies they just made that were going for $30 or more. There's always been a market for both. Just makes good business to cater all price points if it increases your bottom line.

Not sure I understand your post.. Or maybe I do I just don't understand what a porn producer or reseller has to do with an indy camgirl shooting videos of herself in her bedroom.

Edit: to clarify why it is different... a camgirl has a limited audience of a couple of hundred people and she doesn't have the time or the budget to make 1000s of videos a month with dozens of actors and actresses. Most models can't even fit into multiple niches, so unlike the porn producer the ebony model can only make ebony videos. Sure, she could probably squeeze in some fetishes if she is into that, but her capacity to shoot videos and sell them is really minuscule in comparison.

A porn producer usually will shoot thousands of videos every year with hundreds of different actors/actresses for different genres and sell them globally. They can lump old videos together because they keep producing fresh content at a faster speed.

Cheap camgirls have existed forever, but they were usually low camscore ones. So a member knew that when they purchased a video for 50 tokens they were purchasing it from a low camscore girl, that if they wanted videos from the girls on top they had to spend more. The majority of the models on top, for the past three years at least, have kept their videos a bit more exclusive asking around 200 tokens per video (this was the reality with Aspen, NikiSkyler, Ginny, that generation). But now there is a batch of new models on top with really high camscores giving out their content almost for free. I get it, if you are so careless with your content that it is available on every porntube, you know there is not much of a reason for a member to spend more than 5 tokens for them, but when you offer them for next to nothing you are hurting the entire system. The people who get into your room don't always know why those videos are so cheap and they expect everyone elses videos to be on par with that.

Models like me (I am non-nude, and it is very expensive and difficult to get anything I make) have always depended on a handful of guys who value exclusivity. But in the past we could get a room going and a nice atmosphere because random people were willing to tip 100s here and there for games, raffles, and topics. Now they aren't even willing to spend 5 because they know those 5 could score them videos in other rooms.

The reason this is problematic is because the model who sells her videos for next to nothing isn't even making much out of it. How many videos do you have to sell to new tippers for any amount (usually 10 tokens) for it to add up? It makes no business sense for them, and it screws the entire system. It would be better to simply retire the old videos and make new ones than to damage the entire ecosystem.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Not sure I understand your post.. Or maybe I do I just don't understand what a porn producer or reseller has to do with an indy camgirl shooting videos of herself in her bedroom.

Let's see:
Naked women
Fucking
Sales
Sex in other forms
Recording
Advertising
Sellers
Customers
Bundling
Money
Making profits

Yep, pretty much everything in common. I don't know if anyone has told you this, but you're in the porn business. Shocking I know.

 

[Mila_]

Sorry for the double post but my time to edit expired and I had to add one more thing: I realize each model is free to run their rooms however they please and to sell their videos as cheap as they want. But this is a fantasy thread so my wish is just as valid as the models wishing for SM to give them a higher cut.

It would be awesome if models could agree to do certain things for the good of the cam community.. like keeping some sort of pricing standard. It would be profitable for all of us in the long run. Similar to what airlines do. But in my experience women are so competitive it is very hard to get 2 women to agree on something and stick to their agreement. So that is unlikely to ever happen. I don't think I could make most of those models understand why keeping prices so low hurts them as well.

 

[Mila_]

Let's see:
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Sales View attachment 58903
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Recording View attachment 58903
Advertising View attachment 58903
Sellers View attachment 58903
Customers View attachment 58903
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Yep, pretty much everything in common. I don't know if anyone has told you this, but you're in the porn business. Shocking I know.

Calm your tits, Nancy. No need to be condescending.
Let's see... what does the mom and pops bakery in the corner have to do with Pillsbury: they both work with flour, they both work with eggs, they both work with water, they both work with an oven, they both have costumers, they both have to advertise, and to handle money, yadda yadda..

And yet! would you say the same business strategy that works for Pillsbury will work for Mom and Pop's bakery? Same thing applies to porn producers and camgirls.

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

@JerryBoBerry

On the actual production side of things, independent clip models and large porn production companies have very little in common. Think about how much harder it is for us to shoot, edit and distribute content than production companies.

Come on.
Your last post not only completely missed her point, but was incredibly rude & condescending.

 

[AmberCutie]

Let's see:
Naked women View attachment 58903
Fucking View attachment 58903
Sales View attachment 58903
Sex in other forms View attachment 58903
Recording View attachment 58903
Advertising View attachment 58903
Sellers View attachment 58903
Customers View attachment 58903
Bundling View attachment 58903
Money View attachment 58903
Making profits View attachment 58903

Yep, pretty much everything in common. I don't know if anyone has told you this, but you're in the porn business. Shocking I know.

You're missing the checkbox for "Produced in huge quantities for pennies on the dollar and sold in a huge market", which is a major thing not in common between an independent cam girl and a huge porn studio.

Sorry Jerry, I do have to agree with Mila and her Pilsbury analogy. And I think I've mentioned similar complaints a few times over the years about not giving away 100 videos for 50 tokens because it cheapens videos overall. But I guess we all have to understand our market and do what we need to do. I will put videos on sale or give some away free here and there for promotional purposes, but the base price of each video will remain around 150-250 tokens based on the content in the vid, I wouldn't feel ok selling one for $1 on the regular.

 

[Teagan]

Also to keep in mind though that guy who will not tip 200 tokens for a vid in one models room cause for that price or 5 tokens he can get a bundle deal elsewhere was never going to spend 200 tokens on one vid to begin with. To any model. People who want deals will either do without usually when it comes to porn or wait for a deal he likes. These guys are not the big spenders or the type to care about exclusivity. So even if every model agreed any videos sold will only ever be 200 tokens it wouldnt do much in terms of converting deal chasers to spending more. Maybe a few here or there but that's it. While your content is still more exclusive that way that idea doesnt always equal more income in the long run and that's exactly why some models instead do sales or bundles. Cause they are more likely to get some sales at least that way and money in her pocket. A small bit now is better than nothing ever mindset. Its just a different strategy and line of thinking. I think it's unfair to say they are ruining sites for the rest of the girls though. It's been around for years already and guess what...the sites are doing fine and some girls are still getting both large and small sales. So saying anything like "well now the guys are expecting more for less and it's these girls are why alone" just doesnt make sense. Ive never done huge bundle deals personally but I see why some do for sure and for them it sometimes does work.

To work with the analogy the person who is gonna buy pillsbury cause it's cheaper than the mom and pop goods was never gonna buy from the mom and pop anyway cause they want something cheaper. Even though they know it's maybe not as good or fresh or whatever. They care about the price alone. And if pillsbury raised their prices to match the mom and pop shop then that person would either not buy any rolls, look elsewhere for another good deal, or wait only for a sale. That's how it works. It's how a lot of people work actually.

 

[BrieLovexo]

Edit: to clarify why it is different... a camgirl has a limited audience of a couple of hundred people and she doesn't have the time or the budget to make 1000s of videos a month with dozens of actors and actresses. Most models can't even fit into multiple niches, so unlike the porn producer the ebony model can only make ebony videos. Sure, she could probably squeeze in some fetishes if she is into that, but her capacity to shoot videos and sell them is really minuscule in comparison.

A porn producer usually will shoot thousands of videos every year with hundreds of different actors/actresses for different genres and sell them globally. They can lump old videos together because they keep producing fresh content at a faster speed.

Cheap camgirls have existed forever, but they were usually low camscore ones. So a member knew that when they purchased a video for 50 tokens they were purchasing it from a low camscore girl, that if they wanted videos from the girls on top they had to spend more. The majority of the models on top, for the past three years at least, have kept their videos a bit more exclusive asking around 200 tokens per video (this was the reality with Aspen, NikiSkyler, Ginny, that generation). But now there is a batch of new models on top with really high camscores giving out their content almost for free. I get it, if you are so careless with your content that it is available on every porntube, you know there is not much of a reason for a member to spend more than 5 tokens for them, but when you offer them for next to nothing you are hurting the entire system. The people who get into your room don't always know why those videos are so cheap and they expect everyone elses videos to be on par with that.

Models like me (I am non-nude, and it is very expensive and difficult to get anything I make) have always depended on a handful of guys who value exclusivity. But in the past we could get a room going and a nice atmosphere because random people were willing to tip 100s here and there for games, raffles, and topics. Now they aren't even willing to spend 5 because they know those 5 could score them videos in other rooms.

The reason this is problematic is because the model who sells her videos for next to nothing isn't even making much out of it. How many videos do you have to sell to new tippers for any amount (usually 10 tokens) for it to add up? It makes no business sense for them, and it screws the entire system. It would be better to simply retire the old videos and make new ones than to damage the entire ecosystem.

Something I've always seen is videos being sold for cheap. Being a new cam model I never know what prices to make my videos. Whenever I set a price I think I'm comfortable with its worth, I don't get that many sales on it. I do though get a few regulars who get them. Whenever I'm doing video deals is usually when I get the most tips for videos.
I am conflicted because I do want to make extra sales but I don't want it to become a regular thing for members to only tip when it's on sale.

 

[SaffronBurke]

It's not the exact same thing, but there is a bit of a parallel.

I've seen quite a few models offering a video or picset to all new tippers. You can tip 10-20 tokens and get a video that's hot, but one of the model's older videos, that she doesn't usually sell anymore because she's since upgraded her equipment and prefers to sell her newer, better-quality stuff. Some guys are going to just tip those 10 tokens, get the content, and look for the next deal. Others will watch the video, decide that this girl's a new fave, and come back to her room, contribute to countdowns, and buy her newer videos.

Given, this is an easier system for models like me who mainly make content and only cam occasionally. I've got folders and folders of old content sitting around that isn't listed on any site, and using it as an incentive for new tippers is no skin off my nose, because it already paid for itself when I uploaded it three years ago, so someone tipping me 20 tokens for one of these videos is just a bonus to what that clip already made me.

On the other hand, for a model who has her main focus on camming and only makes a couple videos per month or even year, that's not going to be an option because she's just not going to have that many videos and won't want to discount them.

 

[Mila_]

Also to keep in mind though that guy who will not tip 200 tokens for a vid in one models room cause for that price or 5 tokens he can get a bundle deal elsewhere was never going to spend 200 tokens on one vid to begin with. To any model.

This is not necessarily true. While there are members who are deal chasers, there are also members (especially the new ones) that would have been willing to spend 200 if they thought that was the going rate for a video. When videos were about 200 a pop (like Amber's) on the main, these guys spent it. But now that most of the new batch of top girls are doing insane deals permanently, these members that would have spent 200 tokens wont spend them. The perceived value of videos has decreased all over.

But it isn't only about the videos themselves. It is about the perceived value of tokens. If 5 tokens get you "any tipper gets a video" deal in 50 rooms, why would he spend 5 tokens in games? Why would he tip for countdowns unless he is getting content? In the past members were more willing to give small tips freely here and there, but now that this new "line of thinking" of giving it all out for free is prevalent, they consider their tokens to have much more value. And they are right. The fault lies within the models skewing the system.

I think it's unfair to say they are ruining sites for the rest of the girls though. So saying anything like "well now the guys are expecting more for less and it's these girls are why alone" just doesnt make sense.

To be fair, I never said cheap models were the only reason the expectations changed. It is an important part of the reason, but not the only one. There are many more hot american girls working now, and Chaturbate is also to blame for the decline of MFC. But MFC had a different inner culture than that of Chaturbate, and the reason that culture is changing for the worse is the new batch of clueless models.

The shift isn't only about tokens and value. They are also changing the nature of the shows on the site. In the past the girls on top were creative women with something interesting to offer. Now it is mostly about drama, tears, and catfights.

To work with the analogy the person who is gonna buy pillsbury cause it's cheaper than the mom and pop goods was never gonna buy from the mom and pop anyway cause they want something cheaper. Even though they know it's maybe not as good or fresh or whatever. They care about the price alone.

Like I said above.. while there are people that do think this way and who buy big brands like Pilsbury exclusively because they are cheaper, the majority of people is not so obsessed and will buy goods both at Pilsbury and at the mom and pop shop depending on convenience, time, and money available. Same goes for models. But either way, my analogy with Pilsbury was not about expensive vs. cheap models... it was about porn producers vs camgirls.

 

[AmberCutie]

The shift isn't only about tokens and value. They are also changing the nature of the shows on the site. In the past the girls on top were creative women with something interesting to offer. Now it is mostly about drama, tears, and catfights.

I really do miss when it was mostly about getting naked (or at least getting down to less and teasing, for the non nudes, which back in the day were not as abundant), putting on a good tease show, making people smile and enjoy themselves for their tips.

The drama and catfights and entitled whining that goes on in the top rooms these days can be quite appalling.

 

[Jessi]

You're missing the checkbox for "Produced in huge quantities for pennies on the dollar and sold in a huge market", which is a major thing not in common between an independent cam girl and a huge porn studio.

Sorry Jerry, I do have to agree with Mila and her Pilsbury analogy. And I think I've mentioned similar complaints a few times over the years about not giving away 100 videos for 50 tokens because it cheapens videos overall. But I guess we all have to understand our market and do what we need to do. I will put videos on sale or give some away free here and there for promotional purposes, but the base price of each video will remain around 150-250 tokens based on the content in the vid, I wouldn't feel ok selling one for $1 on the regular.

Not to mention that the performers and crew are paid when they shoot. Then whoever is collecting royalties has retail or a website or advertising and the infrastructure to sell the product.

We have to advertise, host, and sell content ourselves. We only get $$$ when we make a sale. Its direct from the creator to the consumer.

Its the difference between buying a jar of Smuckers jam from walmart, or buying a jar of jam from the farmers market. Everyone who was involved in making the brand name jam has already been paid and there is infrastructure to produce and sell large quantities. The person at the farmers market grew the fruit themselves, made the jam themselves, and now they're transporting and spending their day a the market to sell it.

 

[Jessi]

-.- my edit timed out. I just wanted to add;

@JerryBoBerry We're not totally dumb, we understand that markets change and that we may have to adjust with them. But we're allowed to be disappointed about it in a thread called "What would you change about camming"

 

[Teagan]

Like I said above.. while there are people that do think this way and who buy big brands like Pilsbury exclusively because they are cheaper, the majority of people is not so obsessed and will buy goods both at Pilsbury and at the mom and pop shop depending on convenience, time, and money available. Same goes for models. But either way, my analogy with Pilsbury was not about expensive vs. cheap models... it was about porn producers vs camgirls.

I know what your analogy was. I took it and ran with it. But you saying what the majority of people will buy is your assumption only. There is a very big vast market of people who will buy the cheapest option every time. Even if it's not as easy as something else, or not as good as something else, etc. Its a Walmart generation. Are there others who will pony up more money for better, convenience, etc? Of course. But if walmarts and other big box stores numbers tell you anything they are not as prevalent or the majority.

And that's my point. You may like to think if every model only sold videos for 200 tokens then the members would be forced to pay that price but that's not reality. People who want a deal will just go elsewhere (pornhub and the like) or do without if they dont like the price of something. So in that case not only would you still not be getting their money but the model who he would buy from and get a video bundle would be out of luck as well. Good theory, but only in theory does price fixing work. Were not talking about a needed product like gasoline, were talking about discretionary spending here and that's a whole other ball park.

Honestly for 6 years I have every 2-6 months heard some other girl complain about other models and how they run their business. The most prevalent complaint is how cheap they will set their prices at. The rally cry of hoping prices could be fixed for everyone (silly IMHO), complaints of how cheap they will sell or do something, how it's ruining camming and the site is going down the drain, how it's programming members to be cheaper and cheaper the last few months to year, and that it's these new girls to blame for it all. It's hogwash. There has always been sales, there has always been cheap members and big tipping members, there has always been new girls coming up, and the sites have been around for years so obviously they arent ruined either. Its just short sided to try to blame someone else cause of how much they are selling something for as to why you're not making as much as you used to cause that member was never gonna tip you anyway. You didnt lose some sale cause you didnt have it to begin with.

I also find it appalling you would call other camgirls clueless. Just cause they do not match with how you price yourself. No need to name call other girls ya know.

 

[Mila_]

It is a drag when people take offense on other people's opinions. I realize every model is free to give away her stuff for free if she wants to, but I don't have to agree with it. And I do think it is clueless to sell videos for 5 tokens.

I get some people don't agree with me, and that is okay, but don't get butthurt just because someone on the internet has a different opinion than yours.

Lowering prices does hurt the competition and price wars do bring companies to the ground. Walmart has used the strategy a few times to kill local competition: fix their own prices so low they lose money for a while, it costs them money but being so big they can afford the losses, the smaller businesses cannot and end up closing shop. Once Walmart is the only store offering the product they can bring the prices back to normal and even make it more expensive because they own the market.

So stating without a shadow of a doubt that the prices we chose to sell our stuff at won't have an impact on other models or on the site as a whole is bold.

I am not the model suffering from this the most, that's the funny part. I am still top 100, currently around #60 because I have regulars that are incredibly loyal and who don't shift with MFCs culture. The reason this hurts me is mostly my mood.. it used to be a much happier place when people tipped for shows without having so many expectations. I wish it was still the case.