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[Joeternal]

I do believe there has been threads in the past that dealt in this heavily. Anyone recall one off the bat and can find/link it?

Here's one of recent memory... even delved into possible lawsuits for fraud

https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewt ... raud+false

I see that I've been dragged into an ongoing topic of discussion here. That explains it.

Just to clarify - I don't think this kind of thing would be legally actionable, except in an extreme case. You couldn't go after MFC, because they're just providing a platform. Going after a model for anything less than a large sum of money wouldn't be worth the legal expenses, and it would be a very difficult case to prove even if you did. Getting a prosecutor to pursue it would be even harder, I'm sure.

If a model went online claiming to have cancer and asking for help to pay her medical bills, people tipped her huge amounts of money and she turned out to be lying, then yeah - I could see people going after her for it.

Smaller, more clear cut cases happen all the time, where a model is selling videos or Skype shows or whatever, a guy tips for it, and he never gets what he tipped for. I've never tried demanding a refund from MFC, but I know people can and do in that situation.

The bottom line is that people don't like being used and lied to. If I get that vibe from a model, I'm gone. And since I get that vibe from a lot of models, I'm very selective about who I spend time with.

 

[Joeternal]

Soooo, let me understand this.
Do you not want to watch models who aren't single because you think it's morally wrong for a model to cam while in a relationship?
OR
Do you only watch single models because you want the option to escalate the relationship if you so choose (if she is REALLY SUPER SPECIAL OMG), at which point you would give her an ultimatum and try to make her leave her job and presumably her only source of income even though you knew this was what she chose to do for a living when you entered into the whole situation?

I feel like I've already answered that question 4 or 5 times, but I'll give it one more try. Maybe the best way to put it is that I think your idea of camming (especially on MFC) as "fantasy" doesn't hold up, unless you're talking about some kind of specific roleplaying fetish. There are real people involved, on all sides. You're not a fictional character in a TV show, and neither am I. MFC actually states that their goal is for things to be "real" and not "phony" on their site.

So I have the same attitude about things on MFC that I have offline. Some guys go around trying steal other guys' girlfriends. I don't. If you want to talk to me, break up with him first. And I will never be involved with a married woman. That's my personal viewpoint, and I'm entitled to it. It almost sounds like some models think guys should be forced to tip them against their will.

Maybe my attitude is the reason why some models seem to like me. I don't know. :dontknow: I treat a cam girl the same way I treat any woman offline. I don't treat them like objects who are there to degrade themselves for my amusement, the way many guys on these sites do.

I expect the same thing in return. Just because I'm on the other side of a computer screen doesn't mean it's ok for you to lie to me and try to manipulate me. So I'm picky.

 

[Joeternal]

YOU are kind of a can of worms sir.

And again, all I wanted was a better search function. Maybe now you have a better understanding of why.

 

[Shutterbuck]

You must be a terribly attractive or charming fella to have all these models fawning over you...

I've yet to see much charm in this thread. So I'm assuming you're fuckin' Brad Pitt.

 

[JoleneBrody]

You're not a fictional character in a TV show

Actually uh...yeah... we kind of are in a way.

My name is not actually Jolene Brody and I don't really live in "coolsville"

Shocking... I know.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Maybe the best way to put it is that I think your idea of camming (especially on MFC) as "fantasy" doesn't hold up, unless you're talking about some kind of specific roleplaying fetish. There are real people involved, on all sides. You're not a fictional character in a TV show, and neither am I. MFC actually states that their goal is for things to be "real" and not "phony" on their site.

But it's never real. If I were not being paid and talking to someone over Skype, even if they were someone I was dating, I would not have bright lights on or an HD cam, I would not be wearing sexy clothes or scantily dressed, and I would not be stripping, teasing, masturbating or really any of the things I do on cam. This is the reason guys go to camgirls, because girls in real life who aren't being paid wouldn't do these things or act this way. I am a real person, sure, but what you see on cam isn't what I'd be doing outside the job, it's not realistic in any sense. The trick of being a camgirl is making it feel real and create a good atmosphere, in the same way any business would do the same.

I don't treat them like objects who are there to degrade themselves for my amusement, the way many guys on these sites do.

This is possibly one of the most degrading things you could say, and you do seem to think of women as objects for your own amusement with no care about their happiness in real life. They are clearly disposable when they no longer comply to your wishes and desires. Just that statement shows that you feel camming is degrading, yet you are a customer of camsites. What does that say about you?

If you want to talk to me, break up with him first.

I just can't even...

 

[Nordling]

You're not a fictional character in a TV show

Actually uh...yeah... we kind of are in a way.

My name is not actually Jolene Brody and I don't really live in "coolsville"

Shocking... I know.

Ha ha! But but...oh, yeah, Rickie Lee Jones lives in Coolsville. In fact she's the Duchess!

 

[Sevrin]

You're not a fictional character in a TV show

Actually uh...yeah... we kind of are in a way.

My name is not actually Jolene Brody and I don't really live in "coolsville"

Shocking... I know.

Wait, what?

How about Jolene Brady? Am I getting warm? Jolene Broderick? Brolene Jody?

Throw me a fricken bone, would you?

 

[JJasione]

Soooo, let me understand this.
Do you not want to watch models who aren't single because you think it's morally wrong for a model to cam while in a relationship?
OR
Do you only watch single models because you want the option to escalate the relationship if you so choose (if she is REALLY SUPER SPECIAL OMG), at which point you would give her an ultimatum and try to make her leave her job and presumably her only source of income even though you knew this was what she chose to do for a living when you entered into the whole situation?

I feel like I've already answered that question 4 or 5 times, but I'll give it one more try. Maybe the best way to put it is that I think your idea of camming (especially on MFC) as "fantasy" doesn't hold up, unless you're talking about some kind of specific roleplaying fetish. There are real people involved, on all sides. You're not a fictional character in a TV show, and neither am I. MFC actually states that their goal is for things to be "real" and not "phony" on their site.

So I have the same attitude about things on MFC that I have offline. Some guys go around trying steal other guys' girlfriends. I don't. If you want to talk to me, break up with him first. And I will never be involved with a married woman. That's my personal viewpoint, and I'm entitled to it. It almost sounds like some models think guys should be forced to tip them against their will.

I don't understand how hanging out with a girl online is anywhere near on the same level as going after another man's girlfriend but if you really feel so strongly about it you probably shouldn't even be on a camsite in the first place because you probably already have been involved with another guy's girlfriend without knowing it. It's been explained a dozen times that girls usually have a cam persona and if you honestly believe that the girls you deem worthy of hanging out with are exactly the same irl as they are on cam you need to fix your detective skills, buddy.

Maybe my attitude is the reason why some models seem to like me. I don't know. :dontknow: I treat a cam girl the same way I treat any woman offline. I don't treat them like objects who are there to degrade themselves for my amusement, the way many guys on these sites do.

Why so condescending? We don't need rescuing from these monsterous God awful men that frequent cam sites. I have never met a model who falls for this "I'm not like the others!" bullshit, ad I know very few who aren't massively annoyed by it. It definitely would not make us like you better.

I expect the same thing in return. Just because I'm on the other side of a computer screen doesn't mean it's ok for you to lie to me and try to manipulate me. So I'm picky.

/sighs forever. If models had as little respect for the guys that you seem to think we do, we wouldn't even be earning. You make it sound malicious and mean where the whole point of a camgirl is to provide guys with whatever fantasy experience they want which, for whatever reason, they might not be living out irl. It's our job to be super fun and awesome. Where is the line of being manipulated? Are guys not more motivated by our teasing and joking and fancy lingerie? Because you can bet most girls wouldn't be hanging out in a suspender belt for shits and giggles. It's out job to make you want to tip us and more often than not that involves us doing things which we wouldn't ordinarily be doing.

MFC wanting it to be "real" means we could be your neighbour or your best pal rather than an actual porn star. We're supposed to be approachable, accessible, sexy girls who make you feel good and provide the fun for all.

Maybe I'm just not old fashioned enough for all this.

 

[JoleneBrody]

You're not a fictional character in a TV show

Actually uh...yeah... we kind of are in a way.

My name is not actually Jolene Brody and I don't really live in "coolsville"

Shocking... I know.

Wait, what?

How about Jolene Brady? Am I getting warm? Jolene Broderick? Brolene Jody?

Throw me a fricken bone, would you?

I am now and will forever be known as Brolene Jody. Lol!

 

[Joeternal]

You're not a fictional character in a TV show

Actually uh...yeah... we kind of are in a way.

My name is not actually Jolene Brody and I don't really live in "coolsville"

Shocking... I know.

Obviously, some level of anonymity is totally appropriate. That's not the same thing as being fake in general.

 

[Joeternal]

Why so condescending? We don't need rescuing from these monsterous God awful men that frequent cam sites.

Are we talking about the same site? Because the models I hang out with have to ban several guys an hour for making degrading comments to them in public. Then again, I tend to hang out with high-ranked models, because MFC doesn't have a good search feature.

 

[Joeternal]

You must be a terribly attractive or charming fella to have all these models fawning over you...

I've yet to see much charm in this thread. So I'm assuming you're fuckin' Brad Pitt.

I don't usually speak this bluntly. And I didn't start this thread to talk about this stuff. People keep prying it out of me.

 

[Joeternal]

I am now and will forever be known as Brolene Jody. Lol!

You'll get all the Bros. :thumbleft:

 

[Alexandra Cole]

Like I said, it would take a very specific situation, and a very special person, for me to consider trying to take things offline.

That's usually how it works.

I'm very selective about who I spend time with.

Most people are.

It would take a very special person, and a very unique situation, for me to take that step.

Yes, I imagine the odds are slim.

She would have to be someone who isn't extremely attached to camming as an ongoing part of her life.

Of course. She has to be prepared to leave it behind if she expects you to take her seriously.

Some are like, "Camming is my life! It's the greatest thing ever! I'll never give it up!". In a few of the cases I mentioned, that was the deciding factor in me not pursuing it.

If only those women hadn't been so comfortable with the means by which you met them...

So what you need is someone who neither enjoys nor needs to cam, but cams, and is also single, and doesn't require mutual trust before disclosing that fact. Or maybe someone who doesn't cam at all, at least until MFC allows you to sort cam girls by their respective ambivalence and their willingness to date.

In the meantime, maybe you should just use cam sites the way nature intended.

 

[mynameisbob84]

A 100% honest, completely non-fantastical, non-"fake", what-you-see-is-what-you-get cam girl sounds kinda great in theory, but in practice... she'd be looking for a new job within the week.

"Hey, why are you wearing slacks and a dirty tee shirt? Where's your sexy lingerie?"

"What do you mean there's no countdown today? What do you mean you're not feeling sexy? I just tipped you... how can you not be horny??"

"What do you mean you don't find me interesting and would rather I not be here? I thought you enjoyed talking about my stamp collection..."

"Hey, what kind of cum show is this? Why isn't she naked with her legs spread and her back arched for optimal vaginal exposure? Where are the toys? Why isn't she moaning and groaning? Why isn't she talking dirty? What do you mean this is how girls masturbate when they're home alone without an audience??"

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Hey Joe, can I ask why you'd want to date a camgirl? You know whats cooler than dating a camgirl? Dating any woman who isn't in the sex industry. Find a non sex worker to date and you won't have to worry about getting her to quit for you, you won't have to worry about all the sacrifices you'd have to make, and you wouldn't have to worry about all the other negatives that comes with being with one.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I feel like someone is going to "catch me in a lie" some day, and I am going to laugh. So. Hard. I don't care about keeping my "story" straight regarding who I fuck, because it has never had an effect on my persona. I just go with whatever my viewers assume, because they do it a lot. If someone asks questions about my husband, I answer as though he's still alive. If they ask about my boyfriend, I'll act as though my fuckbuddy is my boyfriend. If they straight up ask, I'll say it's none of their business, or that I have a friend that I sleep with, but I don't date anybody because it's too much work. Depends on my mood.

But, here's the thing with me: I won't even give my real-life friends a straight answer about my relationship status. Because it's none of their business. If I won't tell people I hang out with what's up, I'm sure as hell not going to be more clear about it with strangers on the Internet, because it's even less their business. I'm still going to put my cooter up to the cam and fap.

We all have preferences for what type of camgirls we want to watch. That's fine, and shouldn't be a big issue. However, given the attitude you seem to have regarding women in general, it doesn't seem like camsites are right for you. They're not for everybody, and that's perfectly OK.

 

[Joeternal]

Hey Joe, can I ask why you'd want to date a camgirl? .

That question makes total sense, because that's exactly what I've said in this thread. "I want to date a cam girl".

 

[Anonymous]

I am now and will forever be known as Brolene Jody. Lol!

You'll get all the Bros. :thumbleft:

Can I be a Bro?
Because I would very.. I would very much like Jolene, excuse me, Brolene, to have me.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Hey Joe, can I ask why you'd want to date a camgirl? .

That question makes total sense, because that's exactly what I've said in this thread. "I want to date a cam girl".

My fault, not sure how I got that crazy thought in my head.

 

[AliciaLeigh]

Hey Joe, can I ask why you'd want to date a camgirl? You know whats cooler than dating a camgirl? Dating any woman who isn't in the sex industry. Find a non sex worker to date and you won't have to worry about getting her to quit for you, you won't have to worry about all the sacrifices you'd have to make, and you wouldn't have to worry about all the other negatives that comes with being with one.

And all this time I was hoping you would ask me out! I mean, you have proven yourself to be a charming, intellectual man with a heart of gold. Any girl, especially the ones with all that "cam whore" baggage and negativity (dear God, not a woman who can support herself and be in touch with her sexuality), would be lucky to have a nice gentleman like you to bring home to her parents. Wouldn't they be SO proud?

On second thought, go fuck yourself.

That goes for you, too, Joe.

 

[JoleneBrody]

When kitty gets her claws out, you could drown a toddler in my panties. Sploosh.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Hey Joe, can I ask why you'd want to date a camgirl? You know whats cooler than dating a camgirl? Dating any woman who isn't in the sex industry. Find a non sex worker to date and you won't have to worry about getting her to quit for you, you won't have to worry about all the sacrifices you'd have to make, and you wouldn't have to worry about all the other negatives that comes with being with one.

And all this time I was hoping you would ask me out! I mean, you have proven yourself to be a charming, intellectual man with a heart of gold. Any girl, especially the ones with all that "cam whore" baggage and negativity (dear God, not a woman who can support herself and be in touch with her sexuality), would be lucky to have a nice gentleman like you to bring home to her parents. Wouldn't they be SO proud?

On second thought, go fuck yourself.

That goes for you, too, Joe.

Sorry but I just prefer women who can support themselves and be in touch with their sexuality that aren't sex workers.

 

[SaraXLive]

LOL @ "models seem to like me" statement in a thread heavily discussing the "fantasy" of camgirls.

:lol:

 

[Anonymous]

Hey Joe, can I ask why you'd want to date a camgirl? You know whats cooler than dating a camgirl? Dating any woman who isn't in the sex industry. Find a non sex worker to date and you won't have to worry about getting her to quit for you, you won't have to worry about all the sacrifices you'd have to make, and you wouldn't have to worry about all the other negatives that comes with being with one.

And all this time I was hoping you would ask me out! I mean, you have proven yourself to be a charming, intellectual man with a heart of gold. Any girl, especially the ones with all that "cam whore" baggage and negativity (dear God, not a woman who can support herself and be in touch with her sexuality), would be lucky to have a nice gentleman like you to bring home to her parents. Wouldn't they be SO proud?

On second thought, go fuck yourself.

That goes for you, too, Joe.

Sorry but I just prefer women who can support themselves and be in touch with their sexuality that aren't sex workers.

 

[Sevrin]

LOL @ "models seem to like me" statement in a thread heavily discussing the "fantasy" of camgirls.

:lol:

Maybe he thought "models seem to fantasize about me" would be laying it on too thick?

 

[Shaun__]

Hey Joe, can I ask why you'd want to date a camgirl? You know whats cooler than dating a camgirl? Dating any woman who isn't in the sex industry. Find a non sex worker to date and you won't have to worry about getting her to quit for you, you won't have to worry about all the sacrifices you'd have to make, and you wouldn't have to worry about all the other negatives that comes with being with one.

And all this time I was hoping you would ask me out! I mean, you have proven yourself to be a charming, intellectual man with a heart of gold. Any girl, especially the ones with all that "cam whore" baggage and negativity (dear God, not a woman who can support herself and be in touch with her sexuality), would be lucky to have a nice gentleman like you to bring home to her parents. Wouldn't they be SO proud?

On second thought, go fuck yourself.

That goes for you, too, Joe.

All the models I hang out with are strong, talented, and hard working people. If not for the minor uninterested in me aspect they all also share I would happily show any one of them off to my family. I never got the cam model taboo thing people have, I always thought self motivated businesswomen were sexy.

 

[NoelleBright]

LOL @ "models seem to like me" statement in a thread heavily discussing the "fantasy" of camgirls.

:lol:

Joe said we're wrong about that though!
The opinion of one man who has never been a camgirl in his life SURELY must be more accurate than the numerous statements made by actual camgirls.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Like many I came here because I think Amber is awesome, I stay here for the information and entertainment. Why are you here?