New UK Regulations on Porn Sites, ATVOD & what it means for

[AlanaTaylor]

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It is ridiculous. What really makes me laugh is it should be up to the parents to monitor what is available to children on the internet. Not to some stupid company who just wants to make as much money as they can out of tax paying porn makers!

 

[mynameisbob84]

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The more I read about it, the angrier I get. Discounting anything involving minors, animals, non-consenting individuals, and anything where somebody's well-being is being legitimately jeopardised, who the fuck are these puritan fucks to dictate to grown men and women what porn they can and can not produce and consume? And what is their criteria? It's all so arbitrary and devoid of any logic whatsoever. And what's the end game? The economy takes a hit, people become angry, porn becomes sterile and boring... but some old prudes get to sit in an office at the end of the day drinking tea and gloating about how they've managed to force their own ignorance and insecurities on an entire nation. Fuck that noise.

 

[AlanaTaylor]

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http://www.atvod.co.uk/uploads/files/Gu ... b_2014.pdf

For anyone who is interested, this is what Atvod deems as 'tv like.' Maybe obvious home movies will be fine. That domme on c4s won her case against them. If not, I'm off to Canada :handgestures-salute:

 

[RebeccaT]

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This is a separate issue from the blocking of UK payments but the UK newspaper articles are very vague about what is and what is not allowed. This list (from the obscenity lawyer guy) is more explanatory and even more so on his blog:

Watersports and Squirting
Peeing and squirting are acceptable if not performed onto another person and/or then consumed.

Squirting during sex or masturbation is acceptable if fairly brie, isolated and not deliberately consumed or put onto a body. It would be acceptable to imply that it was licked up if could be deemed as to be simulated.

Fisting
Fisting is not acceptable. Penetration with all five digits beyond last knuckle is not acceptable; but all five digits of two or more hands would be acceptable as long as not past last knuckle.

Ofcom have sought medical guidance on fisting and don't believe it to be a dangerous act to perform. However, as the CPS’ Guidelines specifically cite fisting as obscene the BBFC can't pass fisting for classification. The BBFC acknowledge that they are well aware of the decision in R v Peacock but are obliged to have regard to CPS’ OPA Guidelines.

Amputee Insertion
Since the BBFC haven't ever needed to consider amputee insertion, they reserve their position on the matter.

Enemas
Enemas are acceptable if once they are squirted out they don't hit anyone else and does not contain feces. It is not acceptable to subsequently lick up what has been expelled; unless this is simulated (for example switched for another substance).

Catheters
Catheterisation is acceptable, even if catheter connected to mouth; presuming that the tube is not transparent so that the liquid moving through cannot be seen.

Eating ejaculate
Any form of consumption of (male) ejaculate is acceptable.

Vomiting
Vomiting may be acceptable if it is not performed as part of a sexual act; and is not visibly enjoyed by the participants.

‘Public’ Sex
Should the content features any nudity or other activity which might outrage the public decency, then the BBFC must be assured that the material in question was shot on private land with no public access or shot abroad. However, simulating the impression that it is in public is acceptable, fir example a vehicle with tinted windows. The key consideration that the material has not been created in the public eye.

‘Age Play’
Anything which might ‘encourage’ incest or sex with children under the age of eighteen is absolutely unacceptable. [How they determine this I don't know, especially when the customer is being the younger person]

However school uniforms are acceptable presuming that there are no references to the performer pretending to be under eighteen; and participants clearly 'of legal age' and participating in a consensual adult role play

Weapons
Sexual activities performed at gunpoint are unacceptable if it is “believable”. This will depend on tone and believability. Basically if it looks like it could be a non-consensual activity then it is not acceptable.

Bondage and Restraint
Full bondage in conjunction with a gag is unacceptable, since there needs to be an obvious (to the viewer) means to signal to stop. Hence it is acceptable if not all four limbs are tied. Thus a means to indicate the withdrawal of consent must be visible to the viewer. For example full bondage and gagging would be acceptable if there is a safe signal which is defined as part of the scene.

Thus elements like artistic license, storyline and context become important. Hence a straightforward bondage scenario with no surrounding context is less likely to be acceptable than something with features a clearly signaled role play component.

BDSM Pain play
Acts which if copied by the uninitiated have the potential to cause injuries more than transient and trifling are extremely unlikely to be acceptable.

Only "moderate" pain play is acceptable. Thus reddening of the skin acceptable but no raised welts, blood and bruising are not.

Needle-Play
Needles are more likely to be considered acceptable as they only cause transient and trifling injury similar to legal tattooing.

Facesitting as Breathing Restriction
Facesitting employed as a breathing restriction or any other form of smothering is unacceptable. However, facesitting without breathing restriction is acceptable. There is no flexibility on this. The airways must remain open. Apparently the rationale for this distinction is that men trying this at home might die.

Ballbusting
Ballbusting may be acceptable, depending on the level. OFCOM recommend submitting clips in question for review. It will come down to definition of moderate pain and whether viewers at home are likely to sustain serious injury if they try it at home. Hence ball-yanking is not acceptable; whereas controlled ball stretching is acceptable.

Trampling
This will depend on the surface upon which the person is being trampled on.

Urethral Sounds
The insertion of urethral sounds is acceptable presuming that they are not inserted so far in as to enter the bladder; and that appropriate sterile and safety considerations are taken such as the use of lubricant and gloves.

Insertion of objects like buttplugs
The insertion of other objects is acceptable presuming that it is clear that they couldn't get. Hence the use of buttplugs is acceptable. Hence a clip of a mobile phone vanishing up an anus would not be acceptable, despite being a spoof, on the basis that people might try it at home.

Power Tools
The use of power tools is unacceptable, since most people have one lying around at home. However purpose designed “fucking-machines” are acceptable. The test in question is the 'association with violence'.

Head-Scissoring
Head-scissoring is acceptable, presuming that it is gentle. However, if it is seen to be pushing on the carotid restricting blood flow then it is not acceptable. Hence, choking sounds or reddening of face as a result are not acceptable. As soon as any pressure is exerted it would be considered a choke hold and therefore not acceptable.

Wrestling
Wrestling is acceptable only if knockout moves are not deployed. Facesitting and seemingly non gentle scissoring are not acceptable.

Gagging
Gagging on cock and deep throat are acceptable if not for the whole scene. However, language of the 'gag on my cock' variety is unacceptable due to the reference to choking.

Definitions
These guidelines should be interpreted subject to these definitions:
"Fairly brief" = less than a minute
"Isolated" = not more than a couple of occurrences in a scene.

 

[RebeccaT]

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Aside from all the restrictions being placed on ladies working in the UK.. one of the really scary things to come out of this is that it sounds like if our sites don't come into compliance with the UK laws... our UK customers will be blocked from seeing the sites at all, or making purchases there.

This is kinda big. Especially if you have a large UK fanbase.

I can work within the "allowed" guidelines but this is more of a worry to me

 

[mynameisbob84]

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Eating of male ejaculate is okay, but don't you dare be eating any of that dirty female ejaculate! Facesitting is not allowed in case men try it at home... have these people ever tried to sit on their own face?? Has anybody sat these idiots down in a room and gone through their rulings, pointing out the complete and utter disregard for logic within and their seeming refusal to occupy the same world as the people they're looking to inflict with their fascist absurdity?

 

[mynameisbob84]

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Also! I can only assume that boxing, MMA, kickboxing and wrestling are to be outlawed in the UK too. Don't want people being injured partaking in these things or encouraging people at home to take up hobbies that could result in injuries or worse. And it goes without saying that UK comedians will no longer be able to verbally mock and satirise people or organisations in the name of entertainment. Even if those people find it just as funny as everybody else. Underwater swimming too. Get rid of it. Can't have people holding their breath for sustained periods of time even if they know their own lung capacity and how long they can go without breathing before it becomes a safety issue. And better make it illegal for parents to spank their kids too. Don't want kids seeing their parents doing something and assuming that it's okay for them to do it later in life. The law should be made clear to them from a young age. Non-consensual spanking involving a minor: acceptable. Consensual spanking involving two or more adults: unacceptable. I could go on but this is depressing :?

 

[PunkInDrublic]

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Wrestling
Wrestling is acceptable only if knockout moves are not deployed.

Weird wording for some of these ridiculous rules. Like, were they doing ganso bombs to each other before? Can they tease a knockout move? Is wrestling porn a real thing or popular enough to need rules?

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

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Wrestling
Wrestling is acceptable only if knockout moves are not deployed.

Weird wording for some of these ridiculous rules. Like, were they doing ganso bombs to each other before? Can they tease a knockout move? Is wrestling porn a real thing or popular enough to need rules?

wrestling porn is a huge thing. massive...as far as fetishes porn niches go.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

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The actual regulations don't sound nearly as ridiculous as they did in the article, pretty typically as those sorts of articles are often like that.

Bob I noticed that bit too with the eating male ejaculation being ok... I could almost imagine that this was written by a man who basically listed his likes and dislikes and dictated what he felt was ok.

Now I don't know the facts on this, but I was told by a friend that apparently if you eat female ejaculation literally just after she's squirted it gives you a high. It's not something I've ever known someone try except for her friend/fuck buddy so fuck knows if it's true, but if that were true then that's literally the only reason I could think of that they might not allow it. Other than that, why on earth is it any different for women to eat male cum? Because it tastes so sweet and yummy? psshhhhh

These rules just seem really stupid. If I were to make rules for the porn industry I would make them all about treating women fairly in filming, giving them control etc. Not having anal scenes over a certain period of time (unless you've proved the scene has been over several days of filming), and having more scenes where women are equal. I mean let's face it, a lot of regular porn is so derogatory to women. That would be good if it changed, made it a bit more clear that the women are consenting, maybe make it a bit more clear that it is all a fantasy role play, you get porn actors and actresses having a short scene explaining that it's all fantasy and then doing the scene. I enjoy watching porn that's a bit derogatory, I like it when a guy gets a little rough. Fantasies are fantasies, I think the only rules should just be making sure that the industry is safe and fair to its workers and that people know that it isn't actually real. And erm, maybe less using the word "sluts" etc to describe women. I'm not opposed to the word in dirty talk, but it would be nice to phase the word out...

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

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Now I don't know the facts on this, but I was told by a friend that apparently if you eat female ejaculation literally just after she's squirted it gives you a high. It's not something I've ever known someone try except for her friend/fuck buddy so fuck knows if it's true, but if that were true then that's literally the only reason I could think of that they might not allow it.

having drunk a LOT of female ejaculate, my own and others...
this is not true.

 

[Rebecca Buck]

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I know I've retweeted a fair amount of this, but the biggest thing that gets me is that this seems almost exclusively targeted to Femdom and BDSM and the Queer community as well.

Don't you be fuckin' kinky or we'll send you to jail.

 

[Felicity]

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I have one very important question.


Is it legal to spank your child in the UK?
because if so, then what the fuck kind of message does this send.


Also curious to see the link to the forum/thread where they are discussing this? Would appreciate it if it could be pmed to me (if it can't be posted? tho not sure why not.... )

how likely is this to really be enforced?

I was on a mommy forum once, and the mom was looking for advice on disciplining her 5 year old for repeatedly kicking her in the face during tantrums and lying to the teachers. I suggested that the kid needed a spanking, and all the mom's ganged up on me saying anybody who spanks their child is obviously "out of control". Then one person was kind enough to mention to me that it was mainly british forum, and that spanking a child is highly looked down in Britain.

 

[mynameisbob84]

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I have one very important question.


Is it legal to spank your child in the UK?
because if so, then what the fuck kind of message does this send.


Also curious to see the link to the forum/thread where they are discussing this? Would appreciate it if it could be pmed to me (if it can't be posted? tho not sure why not.... )

how likely is this to really be enforced?

I was on a mommy forum once, and the mom was looking for advice on disciplining her 5 year old for repeatedly kicking her in the face during tantrums and lying to the teachers. I suggested that the kid needed a spanking, and all the mom's ganged up on me saying anybody who spanks their child is obviously "out of control". Then one person was kind enough to mention to me that it was mainly british forum, and that spanking a child is highly looked down in Britain.

I think it varies depending on perhaps where you are in the country. I wouldn't want to generalise, but I would imagine it's more looked-down upon in the more affluent areas of Britain, less so in other areas. It's very much legal either way.

 

[Teagan]

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Wrestling
Wrestling is acceptable only if knockout moves are not deployed.

Weird wording for some of these ridiculous rules. Like, were they doing ganso bombs to each other before? Can they tease a knockout move? Is wrestling porn a real thing or popular enough to need rules?

wrestling porn is a huge thing. massive...as far as fetishes porn niches go.

Seconding. Wrestling and mixed wrestling is one of the top selling categories on C4S. If any of those studios are UK theyre gonna have to watch what they film now as things like choke holds are now not allowed really.

If this law wasnt written by a man I swear it was written by women who only ever wants to have missionary sex with her husband for 5 minutes on his bday once a year. I hate people who believe their own feelings and beliefs should be dictated to others in the bedroom.

 

[AlanaTaylor]

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I have one very important question.


Is it legal to spank your child in the UK?
because if so, then what the fuck kind of message does this send.


Also curious to see the link to the forum/thread where they are discussing this? Would appreciate it if it could be pmed to me (if it can't be posted? tho not sure why not.... )

how likely is this to really be enforced?

I was on a mommy forum once, and the mom was looking for advice on disciplining her 5 year old for repeatedly kicking her in the face during tantrums and lying to the teachers. I suggested that the kid needed a spanking, and all the mom's ganged up on me saying anybody who spanks their child is obviously "out of control". Then one person was kind enough to mention to me that it was mainly british forum, and that spanking a child is highly looked down in Britain.

I think it varies depending on perhaps where you are in the country. I wouldn't want to generalise, but I would imagine it's more looked-down upon in the more affluent areas of Britain, less so in other areas. It's very much legal either way.

It is really frowned upon by certain snobbish mothers who let their children run amok. Personally I see nothing wrong with it and I was spanked as a child. It was used a reason to show me when I had done something wrong and I learnt to correlate bad things with spanking. This is why the majority of older children are absolute brats here. They had no discipline because the government says we must panda to our children. I worked in a school where despite the children being highly aggressive towards the teacher, the local education authority actually paid them a lump sum to NOT expel them. So basically they could punch teachers (or even throw acid on one's hand) and all they would get would be a slap on the wrist. Its disgusting.

This is just another way to try and control people. Its just a bunch of old farts sitting around a table talking about sex that they don't understand and being scared of it because they don't. It makes me so grumpy. :angry4:

 

[caireen]

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http://www.atvod.co.uk/uploads/files/Guidance_on_who_needs_to_notify_Ed_4.0_Feb_2014.pdf

For anyone who is interested, this is what Atvod deems as 'tv like.' Maybe obvious home movies will be fine. That domme on c4s won her case against them. If not, I'm off to Canada :handgestures-salute:

Also, from reading page 14- it sort of seems like independent content producers or studios that are on C4S won't be affected, because C4S falls outside of UK jurisdiction (I'm pretty sure it's a US site).

But UK buyers having access to the site- that I have no idea.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

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I think it varies depending on perhaps where you are in the country. I wouldn't want to generalise, but I would imagine it's more looked-down upon in the more affluent areas of Britain, less so in other areas. It's very much legal either way.

It depends entirely on the person I think, though it is looked down on a lot. I think possibly partially because not really that long ago we used to cane children in school. Not in every school but I believe my father was caned as a boy. I don't really think it has anything to do with someone's background or area brought up in, just how they were raised and feel about the subject.

I think it's less spanking as a punishment that's the issue and more that a lot of parents end up releasing their own anger out on the children, and even if they try to be gentle it can cause emotional trauma to the child if there is genuine anger and aggression there rather than it just being a punishment.

having drunk a LOT of female ejaculate, my own and others...
this is not true.

I am glad this has been confirmed, thank you! It was not from a reliable source so I didn't really think much of it when I was told it but this made me randomly remember. I have absolutely no idea why this wouldn't be allowed when swallowing semen is?! It's not like either are supposed to be swallowed to begin with, it just seems like a bizarre rule.

Honestly the only rules I can really understand might be the fisting rule as I think if done wrong it could just be the most horrific thing to happen... Like if a guy tried doing it to a girl because he saw it on porn and thought all women should be like that. We can say that people should understand this stuff... But sadly a ridiculous amount of men really seem to have no concept of how the human body truly functions. Anal porn is an example of this, fortunately there are men who understand that it's not acceptable to just stick it in there without lubing up and just pump away at it for a good half hour full throttle and also understand that in reality these girls have had days/weeks of preparation to get their body prepared for these kinds of videos and that the average girl's asshole is not always fuck ready.
There are sadly a lot of guys who'll see something in porn and then naively pressure the girl they're with to perform that act or will try it because they saw it on porn and now think it's ok. I'd imagine more younger guys and I'm guessing a lot of this is probably in response to teenagers watching porn more than adults. I guess if you can't stop kids watching porn then maybe censoring the content itself is the best way? I don't know, sounds sucky for adults though. Maybe it'll be a good think for camgirls though if porn gets censored and watching a cam model get it on for free is no longer an option. I think almost certainly most of these guys would pay if they had to over not watching it.

 

[SaffronBurke]

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It's pretty ridiculous to me that most of these are in fear of someone trying these acts on their own and causing damage. Why not just, you know, include a disclaimer or something instructing people to research and take caution before trying these acts at home?

Then I remembered that there's a guy on YouTube who makes dildos by covering old rolled-up towels in caulking mixed with craft paint. And uses them on people.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

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Public’ Sex
Should the content features any nudity or other activity which might outrage the public decency, then the BBFC must be assured that the material in question was shot on private land with no public access or shot abroad. However, simulating the impression that it is in public is acceptable, fir example a vehicle with tinted windows. The key consideration that the material has not been created in the public eye.

This seems to rule out library, cafe shows for UK models. Although I wonder if MFC/Chaturabate would be blocked because of all girls in the rest of the world that would do this.

Britain has a lot of great things but it sorely needs this as a right not subject to the whims of the government or the Parliament.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Considering that young UK guys were given jail time for their stupid but harmless Facebook posting, I suspect there will some enforcement of these rules.

 

[Teagan]

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http://www.atvod.co.uk/uploads/files/Guidance_on_who_needs_to_notify_Ed_4.0_Feb_2014.pdf

For anyone who is interested, this is what Atvod deems as 'tv like.' Maybe obvious home movies will be fine. That domme on c4s won her case against them. If not, I'm off to Canada :handgestures-salute:

Also, from reading page 14- it sort of seems like independent content producers or studios that are on C4S won't be affected, because C4S falls outside of UK jurisdiction (I'm pretty sure it's a US site).

But UK buyers having access to the site- that I have no idea.

UK buyers risk not having access to the site and having their cards banned from being able to be used on any site not in compliance with the law there. So right now C4S, MFC, and CB would have no UK traffic anymore if they had their way. Plus while C4S is US based it will be banned in the UK lowering traffic and sales for girls. The guys wont be able to get to it. Plus any UK girls working on C4S will be subject to not making any of the banned material now. Potentially further lowering their income. Heck if they can even get on the site then as it will be banned. UK girls may need to do some serious workarounds just to work certain sites.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Re: New UK Regulations on Porn Sites, ATVOD & what it means

http://www.atvod.co.uk/uploads/files/Guidance_on_who_needs_to_notify_Ed_4.0_Feb_2014.pdf

For anyone who is interested, this is what Atvod deems as 'tv like.' Maybe obvious home movies will be fine. That domme on c4s won her case against them. If not, I'm off to Canada :handgestures-salute:

Also, from reading page 14- it sort of seems like independent content producers or studios that are on C4S won't be affected, because C4S falls outside of UK jurisdiction (I'm pretty sure it's a US site).

But UK buyers having access to the site- that I have no idea.

UK buyers risk not having access to the site and having their cards banned from being able to be used on any site not in compliance with the law there. So right now C4S, MFC, and CB would have no UK traffic anymore if they had their way. Plus while C4S is US based it will be banned in the UK lowering traffic and sales for girls. The guys wont be able to get to it. Plus any UK girls working on C4S will be subject to not making any of the banned material now. Potentially further lowering their income. Heck if they can even get on the site then as it will be banned. UK girls may need to do some serious workarounds just to work certain sites.

I wonder if this means that more UK camsite customers will be using Streammate from now on...

 

[weirdbr]

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I guess if you can't stop kids watching porn then maybe censoring the content itself is the best way?

That's what politicians believe; but the real answer is education.. The problem however is that the mere suggestion of teaching kids about sex makes people freak out with the idea that will lead to them fucking like crazy (as if that weren't the case already).. Now, if only those politicians looked at the Netherlands and a few other countries, they would see that it leads to a reduction on all sex-related issues (STDs, teenage pregnancies, etc)

 

[SaffronBurke]

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I guess if you can't stop kids watching porn then maybe censoring the content itself is the best way?

That's what politicians believe; but the real answer is education.. The problem however is that the mere suggestion of teaching kids about sex makes people freak out with the idea that will lead to them fucking like crazy (as if that weren't the case already).. Now, if only those politicians looked at the Netherlands and a few other countries, they would see that it leads to a reduction on all sex-related issues (STDs, teenage pregnancies, etc)

Wait, you mean that if you educate teenagers about sex, they'll actually make smart, responsible decisions about sex?

I swear, the people passing these laws have forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. Your body's all full of hormones, and you WANT to have sex. Teenagers have always had sex, and they always will. If we educate them about it, they'll be able to do it safely.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

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I guess if you can't stop kids watching porn then maybe censoring the content itself is the best way?

That's what politicians believe; but the real answer is education.. The problem however is that the mere suggestion of teaching kids about sex makes people freak out with the idea that will lead to them fucking like crazy (as if that weren't the case already).. Now, if only those politicians looked at the Netherlands and a few other countries, they would see that it leads to a reduction on all sex-related issues (STDs, teenage pregnancies, etc)

Wait, you mean that if you educate teenagers about sex, they'll actually make smart, responsible decisions about sex?

I swear, the people passing these laws have forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. Your body's all full of hormones, and you WANT to have sex. Teenagers have always had sex, and they always will. If we educate them about it, they'll be able to do it safely.

Not only that, but if you're afraid of your kid seeing stuff, then either sit there with them, or don't let them on the internet. The internet is far too large to regulate everything, and they'll find something somewhere.

 

[SaffronBurke]

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I guess if you can't stop kids watching porn then maybe censoring the content itself is the best way?

That's what politicians believe; but the real answer is education.. The problem however is that the mere suggestion of teaching kids about sex makes people freak out with the idea that will lead to them fucking like crazy (as if that weren't the case already).. Now, if only those politicians looked at the Netherlands and a few other countries, they would see that it leads to a reduction on all sex-related issues (STDs, teenage pregnancies, etc)

Wait, you mean that if you educate teenagers about sex, they'll actually make smart, responsible decisions about sex?

I swear, the people passing these laws have forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. Your body's all full of hormones, and you WANT to have sex. Teenagers have always had sex, and they always will. If we educate them about it, they'll be able to do it safely.

Not only that, but if you're afraid of your kid seeing stuff, then either sit there with them, or don't let them on the internet. The internet is far too large to regulate everything, and they'll find something somewhere.

Precisely! It all comes down to being a responsible parent and being in control of what your children are exposed to. You can also install computer programs that prevent the user from accessing certain content. I can't access a single porn or cam site at work, due to this technology. It's all blocked.

I remember my mom watching Revenge of the Nerds with us kids when I was maybe 8. There are parts that she didn't want us to see. When those parts were about to happen, she'd stop the tape, fast forward until she was certain that those parts had passed, and then play it again. She didn't blame the filmmakers for putting sex and nudity into a film for adults. She would also change the radio station if an inappropriate song began to play, without judging, just "you don't need to hear that". We had one TV, and it was in the same room as her computer, so she could monitor what we watched while she chatted with friends or did homework.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Re: New UK Regulations on Porn Sites, ATVOD & what it means

I guess if you can't stop kids watching porn then maybe censoring the content itself is the best way?

That's what politicians believe; but the real answer is education.. The problem however is that the mere suggestion of teaching kids about sex makes people freak out with the idea that will lead to them fucking like crazy (as if that weren't the case already).. Now, if only those politicians looked at the Netherlands and a few other countries, they would see that it leads to a reduction on all sex-related issues (STDs, teenage pregnancies, etc)

Wait, you mean that if you educate teenagers about sex, they'll actually make smart, responsible decisions about sex?

I swear, the people passing these laws have forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. Your body's all full of hormones, and you WANT to have sex. Teenagers have always had sex, and they always will. If we educate them about it, they'll be able to do it safely.

So well said!

It's one of those things that adults seem to forget, when you're even like 13/14 you're still thinking about sex loads, even if you don't feel ready to actually do it. It's only natural for sex to be on the brain, and many do feel physically ready.

I agree about the education thing. I've thought since I was that age that teenage boys especially should be taught about porn, the actual realities of it and various other forms of sex. Not even just classes taught to a whole group where they'll all giggle and take the piss but also one on one chats to answer any questions and just teach them a bit about mutual sex and the difference between realities and fantasies.
Sometimes I speak to guys in their 20s about sex/porn and they give me this shocked "this never occurred to me" face, about things that I would have thought wouldn't have needed to be mentioned. But for younger guys who have grown up watching graphic porn videos, tv where sexy women are glorified and sexualised and a lot of women who will go along with these standards in an attempt to keep up with this fantasy. Fantasy to some has become expectation and it effects both men and women.

I'm one of those people, I'm pretty game for a lot of things sexually. I've always been very open to new things. I used anal as my previous example so I'll keep using it as it's a pretty common one. I really enjoy it every now and then, but I also know exactly how it should be done and keep within my comfort zones. One thing that just horrifies me about a lot of guys around my age is how they feel it's acceptable to pressure their girlfriend into having anal sex with them when they state they're not comfortable with it. I mean, if you like the idea of it then there's nothing wrong with that, but it isn't a natural thing to be doing and no one should be asked to do something they're not comfortable with. Oh and the worst thing is 9/10 times they don't lube up properly and jam it straight in and try fucking it as though it's a pussy, and then wonder why their girlfriend won't try it again...
Education would definitely be an awesome thing... But I think maybe this can come from all angles including porn. Clearly teenage boys are more willing to listen to that than their teachers.

To the responsible parent thing, well, I completely agree, but I also think you can't really trust that. Lots of parents are crap and clueless. Also where there is a will there will be a way, however much you monitor it, and if you completely monitor it then it can often become even more interesting. A lot of people seem to have this "protect the girl" attitude rather than "educate the boys". If you're a girl they'll take precautions to prevent you from being raped/pressured into things, but if you're a boy a lot of parents are far less likely to drill it into your head "don't rape" as they tell their daughters not to be raped. It's not that I'm so worried about the boys being traumatised by porn. What worries me is the potential implications for the girls their age.

 

[weirdbr]

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Education would definitely be an awesome thing... But I think maybe this can come from all angles including porn. Clearly teenage boys are more willing to listen to that than their teachers.

I think if the teachers spoke openly, non-judgementally and were open to private questions about it, it could work as people tend to listen when it's a subject that they are interested in.

For example, in the school I went to there were sex ed classes for students 12 years old and up focusing on the important bits (STDs, contraceptive methods, a bit about consent [but could have been more]) while also trying to dispel myths and talk about overall safety (for example, I recall them talking a few times about anal sex and the importance of lube). To give you an idea of what it was like, I would suggest checking out the Channel 4 program "The Sex Education Show", as the classes were almost like that except that we didn't have the nude models

As for the results: over the ~10 years that I spent there , I only heard of two pregnancies (on a population of about three to four thousand students in total over that period of time) , one of which was a classmate of mine who was already pregnant when she transferred in from another school that didn't have a similar program.

 

[SenaLuna]

Re: New UK Regulations on Porn Sites, ATVOD & what it means

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Vomiting may be acceptable if it is not performed as part of a sexual act; and is not visibly enjoyed by the participants.

So it's only acceptable if at an arbitrary point someone just hurls in a corner and nobody enjoys it? College party porn?

Hence a clip of a mobile phone vanishing up an anus would not be acceptable,

Who does that???

Suddenly it starts ringing and you yank it back out "Sorry gotta take this call, its my mother."

 

[SaffronBurke]

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Vomiting may be acceptable if it is not performed as part of a sexual act; and is not visibly enjoyed by the participants.

So it's only acceptable if at an arbitrary point someone just hurls in a corner and nobody enjoys it? College party porn?

Hence a clip of a mobile phone vanishing up an anus would not be acceptable,

Who does that???

Suddenly it starts ringing and you yank it back out "Sorry gotta take this call, its my mother."

I recall hearing that a model on MFC put an older cell up her ass once, and charged tokens to give out the number so that viewers could call and make it vibrate. At the end of the show, she removed it and said, "It still works! I recommend Nokia!"