New UK Regulations on Porn Sites, ATVOD & what it means for

[ACFFAN69]

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I hate people who believe their own feelings and beliefs should be dictated to others in the bedroom.

Especially when they demand it to the point where they believe that anyone who does it should be locked in a fucking cage like an animal.
I sometimes think people don't really consider what "going to jail" actually is, as though it is some summer vacation. No, you are ruining someones life, all because that person has different values then you, that aren't hurting anyone.

Can you imagine if you and 19 others were living on an island, and on that island, you all found out that a couple "Bob and Jessica" were going off in the woods and Bob would stick his hand up Jessica's vagina for sexual pleasure. Imagine how crazy it would be to get together and vote and decide that we need to put "Bob and Jessica" in a cage for a few years to teach them a lesson? It would be Lord of the Flies shocking.

Why is it so batshit crazy in a group of 20, but not insane in a group of millions?

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but it goes beyond this issue and the same argument overflows into other laws too.

 

[Ambers Troll]

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Keep in mind that commonwealth countries tend to mirror british regulations and guidelines. This may include countries like Canada, India, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and so on. Might want to enjoy your spanks on cam while you can.

Will say such regulations on some of these issues are a bit dated.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

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Suddenly a new place got real popular in the UK...the Spankeasy ba-duh-duh. Sorry I couldn't hold back that one. ^.^'

 

[AlanaTaylor]

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From these rules it seems to me that uk girls would be fine using streamate as it stays within its guidelines, ie no free shows with complete explicit nudity.

I remember reading a while ago that they were talking about banning all porn sites and adult sites via the isp's and having the person who purchases it, call up and ask for them to be allowed. Surely this would be a better idea that to block card payments because they're not credit cards for over 18's. Apparently they have already blocked some people's payments on c4s. Next thing you know for men or women from the uk might still be allowed to use cam sites but the members will have to start uploading passport id to prove their age. I wonder how many people would be happy to do that?

 

[RebeccaT]

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The UK list of banned activities actually now brings the UK in line with US obscenity law. We can do these things but not publicly, in a broadcast or a video for others to view.

Chaturbate recently became more strict on complying with US obscenity rules and the list they published was pretty much the same as the new UK one.

It seems though, that the UK has found a way to enforce these rules by enlisting the banks. If a customer uses an UK card to purchase on a site flagged as not enforcing the rules then the payment will be blocked. So, we are at the mercy of admin on each site.

AdultWork has had us confirm that our free to view content is suitable for minors and that age verification is required to see shows and buy content. They will suspend the account of those not adhering to this. Therefore, UK payments will not be blocked as AW is actively enforcing the age verification rule.

Just imagine if all the sites did this! I don't think we would see a drop in income, just a drop in under age viewers and free loaders. Those who buy tokens will still do so.

 

[eclipse76]

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Just imagine if all the sites did this! I don't think we would see a drop in income, just a drop in under age viewers and free loaders. Those who buy tokens will still do so.

Current members yeah, but recruiting new ones would be harder.

 

[RebeccaT]

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Just imagine if all the sites did this! I don't think we would see a drop in income, just a drop in under age viewers and free loaders. Those who buy tokens will still do so.

Current members yeah, but recruiting new ones would be harder.

The optimist in me thinks guys watching the free chat would want to verify and pay to be able to see the naughty stuff in group or private. The realist knows they will head to MFC and see all the free shows. AW has always been strict about nudity in free chat and on there I find guys do pay if they want more. I think being able to set our own rate helps as I sometimes set a very low group rate for a very soft core show. The higher the rate, the harder the show...and if it stops short of what they want, then they can take me private. This only works on AdultWork but may work on other sites if the free shows weren't happening.

Having said that, I sometimes like to do a totally free show for everyone as a thank you.

It will be what it will be and we will have to find ways to work with it *sigh*

EDIT: I've re-read a few of my posts and I sound very down on MFC. I really am not as I love it there...it's far more sociable than any other site and easier to fathom.

 

[weirdbr]

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I remember reading a while ago that they were talking about banning all porn sites and adult sites via the isp's and having the person who purchases it, call up and ask for them to be allowed.

That was the first step; AFAIK it's now enabled by default and you have to call your ISP to ask to have that stupid filter disabled. IIRC it was mandatory, but looking at wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_c ... ed_Kingdom ) it is 'voluntary' for the ISPs to do this, except that from talking with my UK friends all ISPs were pressured to implement that as if it were a legal requirement. And it has already lead to 'fun' issues; for example, British Telecom is currently forcing all users on their free wifi to use Google over unencrypted connections to make sure they can't search for porn. I cant wait for HTTP 2.0 where encryption will be default and non-optional.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

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The UK list of banned activities actually now brings the UK in line with US obscenity law. We can do these things but not publicly, in a broadcast or a video for others to view.

Chaturbate recently became more strict on complying with US obscenity rules and the list they published was pretty much the same as the new UK one.

It seems though, that the UK has found a way to enforce these rules by enlisting the banks. If a customer uses an UK card to purchase on a site flagged as not enforcing the rules then the payment will be blocked. So, we are at the mercy of admin on each site.

AdultWork has had us confirm that our free to view content is suitable for minors and that age verification is required to see shows and buy content. They will suspend the account of those not adhering to this. Therefore, UK payments will not be blocked as AW is actively enforcing the age verification rule.

Just imagine if all the sites did this! I don't think we would see a drop in income, just a drop in under age viewers and free loaders. Those who buy tokens will still do so.

There aren't US federal laws on obscenity other than acts that involve children and animals. There hasn't been a serious/successful prosecution on obscenity charges this century.

The Miller test would pretty much exempt webcam shows from prosecution because of part 3 of the Miller test.

The three-pronged Miller test is as follows:

1. Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interests (i.e., an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful, or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion);
2. Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way (i.e., ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitals, or sado-masochistic sexual abuse); and
3. Whether a reasonable person finds that the matter, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Now there are state obscenity laws, but states have minimal power over commerce conducted over the internet.

 

[RebeccaT]

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There are two issues being discussed in this thread. What we can and cannot do is one, which actually doesn't worry me.

That websites which are flagged for not enforcing age verification and/or allow unacceptable content for those who have not yet verified can be blocked by UK payment processors does bother me. Whether or not we are classed as TV On Demand is neither here nor there...age verification is a good thing regardless.

What we should be doing is asking the sites we use to set up and use proper age verification and enforce it without exception.

 

[GracieHart]

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I remember reading a while ago that they were talking about banning all porn sites and adult sites via the isp's and having the person who purchases it, call up and ask for them to be allowed.

That was the first step; AFAIK it's now enabled by default and you have to call your ISP to ask to have that stupid filter disabled. IIRC it was mandatory, but looking at wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_c ... ed_Kingdom ) it is 'voluntary' for the ISPs to do this, except that from talking with my UK friends all ISPs were pressured to implement that as if it were a legal requirement. And it has already lead to 'fun' issues; for example, British Telecom is currently forcing all users on their free wifi to use Google over unencrypted connections to make sure they can't search for porn. I cant wait for HTTP 2.0 where encryption will be default and non-optional.

There was talk about ISPs blocking access to porn sites until someone called to have it lifted but unless it is only enabled for new customers it has not happened yet. My ISP does block torrent sites and certain tube sites in an effort to prevent piracy so I am assuming they would be one of the ones which would have no problem blocking porn sites from customers if this was in place. But I have never had to call to get access to porn sites - they have never been blocked. However, two different mobile phone companies I have used put blocks in place until I proved my age with a credit card.

I don't have a huge issue with the default setting being that all porn is blocked and customers have to call to get access. A lot of parents are stupid and kids are curious and as much as it may be possible to monitor kids internet use at home mobile phones are difficult to police. But it worries me that they may be considering completely blocking certain sites which dont comply with their new obscenity laws completely (like they have already blocked torrent sites). This could mean that sites like MFC, Chatubate, C4S could be banned completely regardless if you prove age and have the porn block lifted and only accessible via a VPN. Bye bye UK and hello China...

 

[nzhere]

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Keep in mind that commonwealth countries tend to mirror british regulations and guidelines. This may include countries like Canada, India, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and so on. Might want to enjoy your spanks on cam while you can.

Will say such regulations on some of these issues are a bit dated.

Spanking your child is actually illegal now in New Zealand..

 

[IsabellaSnow]

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I think if the teachers spoke openly, non-judgementally and were open to private questions about it, it could work as people tend to listen when it's a subject that they are interested in.

For example, in the school I went to there were sex ed classes for students 12 years old and up focusing on the important bits (STDs, contraceptive methods, a bit about consent [but could have been more]) while also trying to dispel myths and talk about overall safety (for example, I recall them talking a few times about anal sex and the importance of lube). To give you an idea of what it was like, I would suggest checking out the Channel 4 program "The Sex Education Show", as the classes were almost like that except that we didn't have the nude models

As for the results: over the ~10 years that I spent there , I only heard of two pregnancies (on a population of about three to four thousand students in total over that period of time) , one of which was a classmate of mine who was already pregnant when she transferred in from another school that didn't have a similar program.

My teachers taught sex ed pretty openly too. We discussed lots of things starting from the age of about 10/11 when it was mostly the clinical side of it and then getting more graphic as we grew older.
I do think that teenagers should be taught properly about porn though. Nowadays it takes a large part in a lot of teenagers sexualities and continues when they're adults. Plus it's just that bit more enticing than being taught sex ed by your seemingly ancient teacher (who's probably really not that ancient).
Young men and women today are probably one of the first generations who have been exposed to porn from such a young age, I wonder how many studies have been done to its effects.

 

[UncleThursday]

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Yeah I've already seen that article. I was more interested in performers opinions and who are the idiots who sponsored this.

Let me guess... It's probably the usual suspects: politicians, individuals and religious organisations that love waving the 'think of the children' flag.

Don't forget sex-negative feminists who view porn as oppression of women, and feel that women who do sex work are obviously too stupid or brainwashed by the patriarchy to know any better and they should let the sex-negative feminists think for them.

 

[eclipse76]

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I've read an article about NL regulations on prostitution on /r/feminisms, and then how we shouldn't "rebrand" prostitutes as "sex workers", and god this sub went 100% full SWERF.

 

[MrRodry]

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Porn protest to shock Westminster with mass ‘face-sitting’ and fake sex

Around 500 people will descend on Westminster and pretend to have sex on Friday in a shocking protest against ‘censorship’.

#PornProtest plans to boggle the minds of MPs with a ‘Sex Factor’ gameshow and an attempt to break the Guinness World Record for, um, ‘face-sitting’. But why?

Well, the protesters (and lots of other people) have got hot and bothered over new restrictions on what pornography can be made and sold in the UK.

On December 1, the Audiovisual Media Services Regulations 2014 (AMSR) banned a whole host of legal acts from UK pornography – from Fifty Shades of Grey-style naughtiness like bondage and spanking to more extreme acts.

This is on the grounds that they could encourage people to take part in risky activities at home – including, some, like ‘face-sitting’ that it sees as “potentially life-threatening”.

Charlotte Rose, Sex Worker of the Year 2013 and the woman behind the protest, says: “These laws are not only sexist but they taking away people’s choices without consent. Personal liberty is what we are fighting for on Friday which no one has the right to take away from somebody else.”

Charlotte first became involved in the adult industry as a bondage model at the age of 17. She worked briefly as a dominatrix before taking a break to start a family and gain a degree.

She returned to sex work as she wanted to “make a difference”, and now works as a sex therapist: “I help people with little or no experience in sex, the elderly and disabled and also couples have healthy sex lives through the teaching of sex skills and I love what I do.”

#PornProtest is not Charlotte’s first foray into activism. As well as being a highly-respected sex worker, she is also a seasoned political campaigner.

A flier for the protest, which is taking place at Old Palace Yard on Friday

She stood for MP of Clacton to raise awareness of personal liberties, and was an independent candidate in the recent Rochester and Strood by-election that saw Islington MP Emily Thornberry fired.

Now she plans to wake London up to what she claims is an attack on civil liberties posed by the new porn regulations.

‘The Sex Factor’ erotic game-show won’t include Simon Cowell (thank God) but will see fully-clothed participants pretending to take part in the perfectly legal acts that the ASMR has now made it illegal to watch on video.

It all sounds a bit silly, but the protesters say they have a powerful point that affects everyone, not just people who watch pornography.

Renowned obscenity lawyer Myles Jackman says “Pornography is the canary in the coalmine of free speech: it is the first freedom to die. If this assault on liberty is allowed to go unchallenged, other freedoms will fall as a consequence.”

Liberal Democrat MP Julian Huppert has launched a motion to annull the new laws, that will be debated on Friday.

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A "mass face-sitting", that sounds like fun.

 

[RebeccaT]

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I do hope there won't be "face-stiing" and "fake sex". Not the way to be taken seriously, is it?

 

[weirdbr]

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I do hope there won't be "face-stiing" and "fake sex". Not the way to be taken seriously, is it?

I think it makes sense (at least for the face sitting) - it shows that some of the acts that they are banning don't have the risk they claim to have.

 

[MrRodry]

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Face-sitting protest outside parliament against new porn rules

Sex workers and campaigners gather to demonstrate opposition to changes to UK pornography regulations

A simulated sex protest against the UK’s new restrictive porn laws staged outside parliament. Photograph: Jacob Rawlings/Cartel/REX

Sex workers and campaigners have gathered in front of parliament to protest against changes to UK pornography regulations.

Organiser Charlotte Rose called the restrictions “ludicrous” and said they were a threat to freedom of expression.

Protesters say the list of banned activities includes “face-sitting”, and campaigners planned to carry out a mass demonstration of this while singing the Monty Python song Sit On My Face.

“These activities were added to this list without the public being made aware,” Charlotte Rose said. “They’ve done this without public knowledge and without public consent.

“There are activities on that list that may be deemed sexist, but it’s not just about sexism, it’s about censorship. What the government is doing is taking our personal liberties away without our permissions.”

The protest comes after the government said a list of sex acts has been banned from online porn videos filmed in the UK, in a bid to crack down on “harmful” content.

A quiet change in legislation has ruled that paid-for online porn videos must now adhere to the same rules as content produced for sex shop-type videos.

It means acts that would not be classified as an R18 rating, in line with guidelines laid out by the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), are prohibited.

Protesters outside parliament. Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA

The list of around 10 acts reportedly range from spanking to strangulation.

Critics argue the change not only damages the country’s porn industry, with online viewers still able to access content banned in the UK by watching videos filmed abroad, but amounts to “arbitrary censorship”.

The Audiovisual Media Services Regulation 2014 came into effect this month.

Mistress Absolute, 39, a professional dominatrix and fetish promoter, said the law was restrictive.

“I felt that this was the beginning of something to creep into my sexual freedom and sexual preferences.

“This is a gateway to other laws being snuck in.”

Her friend Neil Rushton, 33, a mature student, said: “They’re very sexist laws. These are very geared towards women’s enjoyment as opposed to men’s.”

The pair will take part in the mass face-sitting this afternoon.

Justin Hancock, a sex educator who runs the website Bish UK, said: “Often the same filters that block these websites block my website, so I suffer from the same kind of censorship issues that the porn industry does.

“This particular regulation will not prevent one person from seeing any porn that they can’t already see elsewhere anyway.

“Them using the argument around sex and young people is completely specious.

“It’s moralising. It’s about saying as a society what kind of sex is okay.”

Hancock also warned that the “state is trying to take control of the internet”.

Obscenity lawyer Myles Jackman, Jerry Barnett from Sex and Censorship and Jane Fae from the Consenting Adult Action Network were among those making speeches at the protest.

Fae called the changes “heteronormative”, and said: “What is being clamped down on is any kind of online content made by adults who are consenting.

“This is entrenching big business.”

Protesters chanted: “What do we want? Face-sitting! When do we want it? Now!”

Participants wearing gimp masks used mats and blankets to act out face-sitting.

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:lol:

 

[Teagan]

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Face-sitting protest outside parliament against new porn rules

Sex workers and campaigners gather to demonstrate opposition to changes to UK pornography regulations

A simulated sex protest against the UK’s new restrictive porn laws staged outside parliament. Photograph: Jacob Rawlings/Cartel/REX

Sex workers and campaigners have gathered in front of parliament to protest against changes to UK pornography regulations.

Organiser Charlotte Rose called the restrictions “ludicrous” and said they were a threat to freedom of expression.

Protesters say the list of banned activities includes “face-sitting”, and campaigners planned to carry out a mass demonstration of this while singing the Monty Python song Sit On My Face.

“These activities were added to this list without the public being made aware,” Charlotte Rose said. “They’ve done this without public knowledge and without public consent.

“There are activities on that list that may be deemed sexist, but it’s not just about sexism, it’s about censorship. What the government is doing is taking our personal liberties away without our permissions.”

The protest comes after the government said a list of sex acts has been banned from online porn videos filmed in the UK, in a bid to crack down on “harmful” content.

A quiet change in legislation has ruled that paid-for online porn videos must now adhere to the same rules as content produced for sex shop-type videos.

It means acts that would not be classified as an R18 rating, in line with guidelines laid out by the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), are prohibited.

Protesters outside parliament. Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA

The list of around 10 acts reportedly range from spanking to strangulation.

Critics argue the change not only damages the country’s porn industry, with online viewers still able to access content banned in the UK by watching videos filmed abroad, but amounts to “arbitrary censorship”.

The Audiovisual Media Services Regulation 2014 came into effect this month.

Mistress Absolute, 39, a professional dominatrix and fetish promoter, said the law was restrictive.

“I felt that this was the beginning of something to creep into my sexual freedom and sexual preferences.

“This is a gateway to other laws being snuck in.”

Her friend Neil Rushton, 33, a mature student, said: “They’re very sexist laws. These are very geared towards women’s enjoyment as opposed to men’s.”

The pair will take part in the mass face-sitting this afternoon.

Justin Hancock, a sex educator who runs the website Bish UK, said: “Often the same filters that block these websites block my website, so I suffer from the same kind of censorship issues that the porn industry does.

“This particular regulation will not prevent one person from seeing any porn that they can’t already see elsewhere anyway.

“Them using the argument around sex and young people is completely specious.

“It’s moralising. It’s about saying as a society what kind of sex is okay.”

Hancock also warned that the “state is trying to take control of the internet”.

Obscenity lawyer Myles Jackman, Jerry Barnett from Sex and Censorship and Jane Fae from the Consenting Adult Action Network were among those making speeches at the protest.

Fae called the changes “heteronormative”, and said: “What is being clamped down on is any kind of online content made by adults who are consenting.

“This is entrenching big business.”

Protesters chanted: “What do we want? Face-sitting! When do we want it? Now!”

Participants wearing gimp masks used mats and blankets to act out face-sitting.

Source



:lol:

I love how in the last picture she is wearing a tweed jacket and riding pants and boots. So proper and upper class. Definitely a great way to show its not just "nuts" protesting this crap. I was half expecting a giant group of latex clad people which is fine but I dont think helpful as they need support right now to get rid of this law. And showing they are "proper" is a grat way to do that.

*Hope I said this right. I dont mean to offend anyone. I just know they need to put a very professional front on fighting this to get support from all angles and the more "norm" you look the better for that.

 

[mynameisbob84]

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Protesters outside parliament. Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA

I love this. I'm also pretty certain that's Gary Numan in the background on the right.