Official Camgirl.ID ACF Forum Thread

[camgirl_ID]

Since our welcome post gathered quite some interest we would like to start an official thread for everything related to Camgirl.ID the neural network which is trained on over 6 million faces and can detect over 60000 camgirls today. Every day we add over 200000 new faces. Currently we support Chaturbate and are spidering Bongacams with all other major cam sites added soon as well.

We will add soon an easy option to to opt-out from the neural network which means those performers will no longer be recognized.

Feel free to post here your feedback or concerns in case of questions. Our twitter is at https://twitter.com/camgirl_ID and we try to reply at ACF as often as possible.

 

[AmberCutie]

I only approved this post so more people can give you their feedback and maybe you'll reconsider your business plan.

 

[Emberblaze]

I have great feedback.

Your entire idea is going to put women's LIVES AT RISK.

What kind of human do you have to be to make money off a service that will help members stalk models?

Enjoy sleeping with that on your conscience.

 

[Gen]

Feel free to post here your feedback or concerns in case of questions.

I'm curious what you think the benefit of this service is, and if you think that benefit outweighs the risk that camgirls are telling you about.

Also, may I suggest having an opt-in service, rather than Opt-out. I think making it Opt-out shows that you know many models won't want to opt in and that should make you consider why that is.

 

[SMuser69]

I think one question that would help being answered for the models are if the purpose is limited to linking or associating model to their various accounts across different platforms vs a global recognition including google that would also link their REAL identities to their cam personas?

For example, if your service is limited to if I looking up a model I knew from SM and could find out if they also were on CB, MFC or other sites but only listing their other usernames on those sites?

Or is it where I look up a SM model and it pulls up their facebook, twitter and other site where they might also have a personal identity listed?

Some models will be upset either way but at least would separate those that think it's going to 'out' them verse track their various camsite accounts.

 

[AlexaCrush]

My initial thought was, "This is horrifying". That being said, I don't really know the details. So please, tell us what exactly this is going to be used for and how it works and all those details. I didn't find much on the website.

If you're going to insist on creating this, for the love of god do make it so that people canNOT find out a cam girls real info. That should be obvious, but seriously.
And as it's been mentioned, an opt-in service might be better than an opt-out one. There are going to be a lot of cam girl who won't hear about this and thus won't have the option to opt-out. I would be a little peeved to find out after months or more of camming there is some program out there gathering my information without my permission and then just brushing it off like "oh, but you can opt-out". Like no. You can't opt-out if you don't know it's even a thing.

 

[ExcellaExe]

It's good that you said that models can opt-out, but I agree that this can easily be used as a way for people to stalk someone. But, I also agree that the question is, is this for tracking the other sites a girl works on? I work on multiple sites, so I can see where this would come in handy. I would prefer someone ask that of me, versus using this software, but if instead this could be used to find my real name, address, etc. then this is a bad idea.

 

[fandango]

I'm not even a model and I find the idea of being tracked by my face across various platforms creepy as fuck. For a model this must be like a thousand times worse.

 

[Magnolia]

Here is my feedback: Fuck you. It's obvious we don't want it but you're still even thinking about this? I hope you shit your pants today.

 

[Emberblaze]

Here is my feedback: Fuck you. It's obvious we don't want it but you're still even thinking about this? I hope you shit your pants today.

*Starts loudly chanting "Magnolia for president"*

For real though I'm glad I'm not the only one furious about this. Something like this even if it doesn't give real undo and only gives cam info means if we get a serious stalker/troll we can't just hide from the harassment on another site under a different name.

 

[RebelleHart]

I'd like to know a detailed outline of how you plan to protect the safety of the models involved.

Also I'd like to know why you personally think doing this is a good idea.

 

[HanlonShaves]

Facial recognition that tracks models across platforms is a totally good idea and can't be used in any nefarious way whatsoever.

</sarcasm>

So has it occurred to you in the least that you've essentially created a stalker's dream toolkit? This is a terrible and invasive idea, and having it be opt OUT is just...beyond skeevy, let alone the potential danger. As a member, and a friend of some models, this disgusts me.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Feel free to post here your feedback or concerns in case of questions. Our twitter is at https://twitter.com/camgirl_ID and we try to reply at ACF as often as possible.

I seriously doubt that there is going to be any 'opting out' of this in the larger scheme of things. If this service is willing to do that, then I imagine it will be surpassed by one that is more comprehensive. Attempting to placate with promises of an 'opt out' feature strikes me as either dishonest or delusional.

Tried it out with a handful of CB models so far; 2 were the very first choice, another was in the top row, a few more it didn't find at all. Used facebook/twitter pics, not cb grabs or profile pics. Two things:

1. If it is going to be useful, 'view profile' needs to link to the model's profile page(s), not your version of a profile.
2. Too many results sometimes, many of which aren't even close.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Who would this even benefit?

 

[Fatquack]

The only address info on the site is a UK address. They are breaking several UK privacy laws. Maybe someone in the UK can report them to the ICO (https://ico.org.uk/).

And .id is an Indonesian top domain, I am pretty sure porn is illegal there.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

The only address info on the site is a UK address. They are breaking several UK privacy laws. Maybe someone in the UK can report the

ironic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eillance-becomes-uk-law-with-barely-a-whimper

 

[SaffronBurke]

 

[camgirl_ID]

thank you for the feedback so far. we believe its great to get feedback directly from the community and look forward to discuss your concerns and feedback here at ACF.

First and most important: we do not (and never will) link to private/personal data. The website is a marketing tool to promote adult webcam models which uses only data which camsites provide to their affiliates over their API's. Somebody mentioned correctly that the technology exists and its being used in all our lives everyday. Without constant development in technology no internet would exist, no cam models would exist and so on. To blame face recognition technology for stalking abuse is similar as blaming google search for terrorism. As we all know the internet never forgets and is a public space. If a performer has a problem with being recognized (by a human or a machine...) on the public internet then maybe the webcam job is the wrong job? Again, we do not link to private or personal data and use only data which camsites provide over their API's.

The opt-out process is very simple: just to place a QR-code during one of your shows and our system will automatically detect it and disable your profile for face identification. No emails, no signup - simple as loading a QR code on your phone (or print it on a sheet) and display it during one of your shows. The launch for the opt-out process is planned in early September.

 

[annamaytiddies]

[QUOTE="To blame face recognition technology for stalking abuse is similar as blaming google search for terrorism. As we all know the internet never forgets and is a public space. If a performer has a problem with being recognized (by a human or a machine...) on the public internet then maybe the webcam job is the wrong job?"[/QUOTE]

There's just so much wrong with what you said here I can't even begin. Just don't go through with it. Nobody wants this.

 

[Magnolia]

thank you for the feedback so far. we believe its great to get feedback directly from the community and look forward to discuss your concerns and feedback here at ACF.

First and most important: we do not (and never will) link to private/personal data. The website is a marketing tool to promote adult webcam models which uses only data which camsites provide to their affiliates over their API's. Somebody mentioned correctly that the technology exists and its being used in all our lives everyday. Without constant development in technology no internet would exist, no cam models would exist and so on. To blame face recognition technology for stalking abuse is similar as blaming google search for terrorism. As we all know the internet never forgets and is a public space. If a performer has a problem with being recognized (by a human or a machine...) on the public internet then maybe the webcam job is the wrong job? Again, we do not link to private or personal data and use only data which camsites provide over their API's.

The opt-out process is very simple: just to place a QR-code during one of your shows and our system will automatically detect it and disable your profile for face identification. No emails, no signup - simple as loading a QR code on your phone (or print it on a sheet) and display it during one of your shows. The launch for the opt-out process is planned in early September.

Fuck you. Shut down your site. Stop making excuses. Stop with your manipulation tactics. And go shit your pants.

 

[Gen]

thank you for the feedback so far. we believe its great to get feedback directly from the community and look forward to discuss your concerns and feedback here at ACF.

First and most important: we do not (and never will) link to private/personal data. The website is a marketing tool to promote adult webcam models which uses only data which camsites provide to their affiliates over their API's. Somebody mentioned correctly that the technology exists and its being used in all our lives everyday. Without constant development in technology no internet would exist, no cam models would exist and so on. To blame face recognition technology for stalking abuse is similar as blaming google search for terrorism. As we all know the internet never forgets and is a public space. If a performer has a problem with being recognized (by a human or a machine...) on the public internet then maybe the webcam job is the wrong job? Again, we do not link to private or personal data and use only data which camsites provide over their API's.

The opt-out process is very simple: just to place a QR-code during one of your shows and our system will automatically detect it and disable your profile for face identification. No emails, no signup - simple as loading a QR code on your phone (or print it on a sheet) and display it during one of your shows. The launch for the opt-out process is planned in early September.

You still haven't answered the repeatedly asked question as to what the benefit is of this service?

Your assurance that you will never link to private data, and that it's super easy to opt-out, isn't that comforting to me when you are making it obvious that you're not all that concerned with model's comfort with your program. Hiding behind "it's public" and "the technology exists already" is lame; if you're going to do something, own it and don't act as if you're not playing an active role in furthering along something that the people involved as telling you they don't want.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

I understand the concerns of anyone who feels the need lash out at OP. I suppose that if you can't change the bad news, sometimes the only thing left is to kill the messenger (proverbially speaking).

Even if OP decides to cease and desist in his/her efforts, I don't think this is going away.

https://megacams.me/facial-recognition

 

[Emberblaze]

thank you for the feedback so far. we believe its great to get feedback directly from the community and look forward to discuss your concerns and feedback here at ACF.

First and most important: we do not (and never will) link to private/personal data. The website is a marketing tool to promote adult webcam models which uses only data which camsites provide to their affiliates over their API's. Somebody mentioned correctly that the technology exists and its being used in all our lives everyday. Without constant development in technology no internet would exist, no cam models would exist and so on. To blame face recognition technology for stalking abuse is similar as blaming google search for terrorism. As we all know the internet never forgets and is a public space. If a performer has a problem with being recognized (by a human or a machine...) on the public internet then maybe the webcam job is the wrong job? Again, we do not link to private or personal data and use only data which camsites provide over their API's.

The opt-out process is very simple: just to place a QR-code during one of your shows and our system will automatically detect it and disable your profile for face identification. No emails, no signup - simple as loading a QR code on your phone (or print it on a sheet) and display it during one of your shows. The launch for the opt-out process is planned in early September.

You are garbage human beings.
The service should be "opt in only" considering TONS of models won't even know you exist to protect themselves.

Also taking screen grabs/videos of models during shows infringes on DCMA stuff if I'm not mistaken.

Both members and models are here telling you what a horrible horrible idea and your garbage assess don't care if models safety ends up at risk because of you.

 

[AmberCutie]

The opt-out process is very simple: just to place a QR-code during one of your shows and our system will automatically detect it and disable your profile for face identification. No emails, no signup - simple as loading a QR code on your phone (or print it on a sheet) and display it during one of your shows.

So let me get this straight...

You're also auto-recording every one of every cam girl's shows?

Jesus christ. Do you even know the cam model community at all? How did you not expect to get burned at the stake here?

Come on. We cam models know this sort of bullshit happens, we aren't dumb. But the blatant arrogance to come here and try to be all cool about doing something that most of us absolutely hate...

I mean, really?

 

[ExcellaExe]

Yeaaaah recording our shows? We already have big enough problems with that. What makes you think we want another provider of that? Much less one that makes our real identities even more in jeopardy. I am honestly astounded by your sense of arrogance and entitlement. Where does that come from, I wonder? Are we just a commodity?

 

[SMuser69]

benefit is of this service?

This is Yelp from what I see so far (BTW you can't unlist a business with yelp and nobody seems to care). Yelp/google take public business records and puts your business up for complete scrutiny even if your type of business doesn't have a consumer front. If you like indexing review sites I guess this is supposed to be the member's version for models.

You're also auto-recording every one of every cam girl's shows?

Well this is good from a legal standpoint since the large sites could take them to court for DCMA or depending on the jurisdiction, extortion since their 'out-op' method involves some public action by the model.. Right now they're clearly recording CB at least so I hope their legal department is looking into this.

 

[Vera]

Because you clearly don't give a shit about models, let me phrase it this way.

How, pray tell, are you generating revenue from this? That's what I want to know. What put this asinine idea in your head? This is so definitely not a utility for the benefit of models. Are you shilling this for affiliates? Come on, get real.

I sincerely hope you have a good attorney on retainer, you moron. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. You should really, really reconsider launching this before someone gets hurt.

Also, you have absolutely no right to record models' streams, much less essentially hold their data hostage. This reeks of illegality. Just because facial recognition technology exists does not mean it has any reason to be used in this way.

"It exists" is no fucking justification. Of course you are apparently either stupid or actively malicious so I am sure you don't actually care about our input. I really can't wait for this to explode in your face.

 

[Emberblaze]

@punker barbie is Chaturbate aware of this service?

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I agree with everything all the members of this forum have said in response to this. It's a terrible idea, takes profit from making stalking easy and I am pretty sure is illegal.

But something which has not been mentioned which the OP seriously needs to consider is this:

It is not just members on the internet we are protecting ourselves from. Sure you won't link to personal data, but how about an ex boyfriend or a person in our real lives knows that we cam? You are then giving them a simple way to find every single place we work at online. These people would already know our personal data, and now they know where to find them online. It opens up whole new avenues for people being able to target sex workers with blackmail, threats and all sorts of shady behaviour. Let alone that it could lead to people being able to privately perv on a girl they know in real life, which in certain situations can be hugely inappropriate.

I am guessing this idea is based on the large amount of members who go "Have you seen this model?" And I understand that if you see a great model on an illegally capped video it's frustrating if you then cannot find her again. But there is a reason we will not give out the cam profiles of models here. Because that person could be stalking them. The majority of models are not planning a public career in porn, they do not necessarily want more traffic. And the dudes who want to find her can pretty easily wander off and find someone new.
This particular idea will likely not be used by innocents just wishing to find a certain model. It is set up to be a stalkers paradise. By doing this you are going into the territory of illegal and you could go to prison for it. It's definitely something that is worth reconsidering. Yes there is technology like this available, but there is a reason it does not get publicly used in such a graphic way. Because it's pretty much illegal and it's morally bankrupt. Also I am pretty sure for there to be an opt out service people need to have opted in at some point. Otherwise you could like subscribe people for all sorts of things without their consent.

So maybe rather than streaming a fuck ton of girls illegally to find out their details, you could have an opt in service where they send you some pictures and every camsite they are linked with. Then when members want to find a girl from a free porn video they show you the video and if the girl has chosen to be a part of your database then you can pass on the details she has given you. At this point it would probably also be a good idea to inform the girl that she has been scouted and of the most likely illegally capped video which is out there. That wouldn't be so bad, you know, adding an important thing called CONSENT. And if models do not want to be a part of your database then it shows a clear signal that they do not want to be found by randoms.

 

[Emberblaze]

Agreed about people in real life finding and harassing us. I know of a model that had someone from real life find her and post her personal details in her room.

I myself have had a guy stalking me for FOURTEEN years and something like this could ruin my career entirely. Leave me without an income because I literally won't be able to hide from him and I'm not taking my clothes off for a guy that sexually abused me.

All of you working on this project are garbage because you will literally ruin girls lives.