Nordling
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I can't see why anyone needs anything to do with location. Country should be more than adequate. Especially when it comes to people you really don't know at all.
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See I am one of those weirdos that is very specific about where I live. I get so many Milwaukee and Wisconsin guys purely because I have tags for it. Not many models have Milwaukee as a tag, the only other one I know personally did it because I told her to and she had never thought of it as a marketing tactic. (Damnit me for telling her to do it lol, pulling from my local pool.) I like to encourage members to "tip local" so it is always good to know when I have Milwaukee dudes on cam. Plus I used to be solely a library cam girl a little over a year ago and it was very obvious what university I attended when I cammed based on colors, etc so I never really could have hidden it. I also am open about shows I am seeing like, "Hey gonna go see Death From Above tonight!" or my snap story would disclose that so it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to track me down. Honestly I believe that anyone who *reallly* wants to know where I live, for like stalker reasons, is going to figure it out whether I am open or not so men/members aren't part of the deciding factors.
I only share where I'm from with people who don't ask me. 
I don't go crazy to hide it, but I'm instantly suspicious of it being among the first questions asked. I live in the internet... im stuck in this tiny box hellpp meee....
But it comes up in my basic conversations all the time. Anyone who pays a couple days of attention to me would figure it out easily.
I don't go crazy to hide it, but I'm instantly suspicious of it being among the first questions asked. I live in the internet... im stuck in this tiny box hellpp meee....But it comes up in my basic conversations all the time. Anyone who pays a couple days of attention to me would figure it out easily.
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Also, just because a model doesn't answer your question of "What part of ___ are you in?" does not mean she's being "difficult," "bitchy," or "snobby," for crying out loud. It is SILLY, as a member, to get offended or upset over model information that you're not entitled to in the first place. I realize that most members who ask personal questions don't mean any harm and are just curious and making conversation, but they do need to respect the fact that it's really none of their business...and they should just be satisfied with whatever personal info the model chooses to volunteer. If you're that upset over a model not telling you what part of Missouri she lives in that you refuse to ever tip her or visit her again, you've got problems...
Completely agree. And if you wanna act like a model isn't genuine or approachable just cause she's not giving you her address then that's on you and not her. It's not like only girls who tell you where they are are the ones who deserve big tips and the others are just there for fucking themselves. How silly a thing to pick on. Yes asking someone where they live is a normal question but it's also normal for someone to not want to answer it and it be respected. Deep conversations can happen without a city or state being known. Those arent the only topics of convo to have.
I always wonder how freeing it would feel to be able to discuss local events and plans ahead of time like this. I've been pretty tight on OpSec from day 1, only giving tiny bits here and there about real life activities and it does feel pretty limiting and doesn't allow me to be as personable as I'd really like to be. But at the end of the day, the security feels nice, too. If I decide to just disappear from my cam life, there would not be many loose ends that I'd have to tie up, I could just go.
This is why i like to remain anonymous. I would hate to one day end up being a loose end that had to be taken care of (via some mysterious bad batch of mail order cookies or something).
But is your security really enhanced that much by not telling somebody what state or even city you are? A typical state narrows the location ton to tens of thousands of square miles, and several million people even a city is million+ and hundreds of square miles. I know plenty of attractive women get online stalkers, but I question how many of them turn into physical stakers guys who travel hundreds of miles and then attack a girl. Somebody with a stalker personality is more likely going after somebody more accessible ( at least that's what the say on the TV show Stalker ). I bet for every camgirl that had an online stalker show up they are ten that have had a stalker from somebody they've seen them in real life.
Yes in some utopian world it won't matter where a model lived, there were no freeloaders and everybody paid for porn.
But in practical terms, I think it can help make you money and make life easier without a lot additional risk. There is a big difference in security risk between telling your room that you are going to see a concert and telling your room that you went to a concert. In the former case, that seems pretty risky. But after the fact, sure somebody can narrow your area down to hour drive or so, but you also are going pique the interest of fans of the band. Guys are more likely to become regulars of a room where they have an affinity like shared love of a band, and that includes a geographic affinity.
). I bet for every camgirl that had an online stalker show up they are ten that have had a stalker from somebody they've seen them in real life.Yes in some utopian world it won't matter where a model lived, there were no freeloaders and everybody paid for porn.
But in practical terms, I think it can help make you money and make life easier without a lot additional risk. There is a big difference in security risk between telling your room that you are going to see a concert and telling your room that you went to a concert. In the former case, that seems pretty risky. But after the fact, sure somebody can narrow your area down to hour drive or so, but you also are going pique the interest of fans of the band. Guys are more likely to become regulars of a room where they have an affinity like shared love of a band, and that includes a geographic affinity.
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I doubt if giving your location will make you ONE MORE DIME. Maybe a nickel during your entire career.
People who want a model's location don't use just one thing...like city or state...they use that as just one piece in their obsessive desire to pin it down...and note everything you say. The less information the better.
Years ago, a women I knew on AOL in a chatroom told me a story about a guy she'd known on AOL for six months...how they chatted every day...and still she avoided telling him specific information...but he was watching, and noting all that time....and when he put together all the pieces of the puzzle....he travelled 3,000 miles...found the bar she'd mentioned where she had friends. He showed up at that exact bar and spent some time gaining confidence until he got her exact address...and later waited in the bushes outside her home...
More details aren't necessary.
People who want a model's location don't use just one thing...like city or state...they use that as just one piece in their obsessive desire to pin it down...and note everything you say. The less information the better.
Years ago, a women I knew on AOL in a chatroom told me a story about a guy she'd known on AOL for six months...how they chatted every day...and still she avoided telling him specific information...but he was watching, and noting all that time....and when he put together all the pieces of the puzzle....he travelled 3,000 miles...found the bar she'd mentioned where she had friends. He showed up at that exact bar and spent some time gaining confidence until he got her exact address...and later waited in the bushes outside her home...
More details aren't necessary.
I say the number of French, English, Canadian, Mexican Southern, Hawaiian, and in Birdie's case, Wisconsin member who hang-out in respective rooms of models from those areas show that your are totally wrong about it not making more money.
If anything, your example proves the opposite. She didn't tell him about her location and yet the stalker still found her. How precisely would the situation have been any worse, if she told him where she lived initially?
It's entirely possible her being evasive triggered his obsessive behavior. People want what they can't have. The more time and energy they spend tracking their target the more the fantasize what it will be when they meet. I think there is a decent chance if she had told she lived in LA or where ever initially, he might have gone after more challenging prey.
How precisely would the situation have been any worse, if she told him where she lived initially?
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She did tell him her city...and that's my point.
And tell me how you can conclude that giving out location makes money. The mix of people in a particular room doesn't tell you jack about their precise reason for being there.
And tell me how you can conclude that giving out location makes money. The mix of people in a particular room doesn't tell you jack about their precise reason for being there.
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If you're not comfortable with something, don't do it. If you are comfortable with something, do it. If someone is being pushy and making you uncomfortable, ban them.
It's really that simple, the benefit of stating your location or not is negligible but models HAVE had members fly thousands of miles and show up at their front doors, and models HAVE had members piece things together in order to find the model and cyber stalk and bully her and her family.
The smaller the town, the easier that is going to be to do. If you see no benefit in sharing your location and want to make it at least a little harder for the crazies to find you or just keep something private and personal for yourself, that's fine and pushy dudes who feel the constant need to argue and fight about why you should share this "harmless" information are either entitled socially inept egomaniacs who just need to argue about anything and everything that doesn't affect them... or ya know, nosey nellys creepers.
You are entitled to any comfort zone you chose and anyone who tries to push past that is an asshole, plain and simple no way around it. Boundary pushers are assholes not worth having around.
I say where I live for the first time since I started camming, since I moved to Vegas back in February. It's huge and I don't go out much, but I still always tell people about things I did after the fact instead of before if I'm going to a specific location just to avoid my personal life being uncomfortably interrupted.
Yes you can take every step in the world and could still get a stalker, but there is nothing wrong with at least attempting to minimize the ease and possibility of said stalker.
It's really that simple, the benefit of stating your location or not is negligible but models HAVE had members fly thousands of miles and show up at their front doors, and models HAVE had members piece things together in order to find the model and cyber stalk and bully her and her family.
The smaller the town, the easier that is going to be to do. If you see no benefit in sharing your location and want to make it at least a little harder for the crazies to find you or just keep something private and personal for yourself, that's fine and pushy dudes who feel the constant need to argue and fight about why you should share this "harmless" information are either entitled socially inept egomaniacs who just need to argue about anything and everything that doesn't affect them... or ya know, nosey nellys creepers.
You are entitled to any comfort zone you chose and anyone who tries to push past that is an asshole, plain and simple no way around it. Boundary pushers are assholes not worth having around.
I say where I live for the first time since I started camming, since I moved to Vegas back in February. It's huge and I don't go out much, but I still always tell people about things I did after the fact instead of before if I'm going to a specific location just to avoid my personal life being uncomfortably interrupted.
Yes you can take every step in the world and could still get a stalker, but there is nothing wrong with at least attempting to minimize the ease and possibility of said stalker.
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Online stalking is scary and damaging.
Non assault stalking is scary and damaging.
Location can help greatly in an online stalker upping their online game to severely damaging and terrifying levels, no travel needed.
Geeze man... I feel like you are smarter than this.
Because the members say they like Canadian, English, Hawaiian, Southern etc models and the room discussion often revolve around geographic specific things, Disneyland, local sports teams, restaurants etc.
Are you saying these guys are liars?
I agree with everything Jolene said if you aren't comfortable don't do it and if I guy is pushy be all means get rid of him.
But your blanket assertation
is bullshit. 99% of the times when guy ask what part of Canada or what state you live in they are just making conversation. You seriously have a better chance of being killed by lightning than be killed by an online stalker.
But what is scarier? When you were secretive about your location and gets email/text from a guy who says. Jolene I think I saw you at this restaurant last night, you looked great. Or now that you open about living in Vegas somebody emails hey JJ I think I saw you going into the MGM last night you looked great.
Hasn't being open about your location made your life easier?
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Neither of these scenarios are relevant to my life or an experience I can comment on.
I really don't see your point.
Easier? Nah. Kinda nice? Sure... But not a big deal. i wouldn't miss it if I decided to go back to private. Where I live isn't exactly to the main scope of my interests and conversation.
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Except we're not talking about 99% of the time (where did you get that number?) We're talking about the few people who do NOT wish a model well. Most humans are not dangerous or scary stalkers, but for those few that ARE, it's prudent to avoid giving out personal information to people online. If you enjoy giving out personal information, by all means, blab away...but the real point is...every bit of information one gives out is noted by THAT GUY.
And No, not saying those guys are liars...they are making small talk...to try to translate that into cash is simply silly.
I thought you'd always been open about the fact you resided in Coolsville. Coolsville can't be a made up place... can it?
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Of couuuuuuurse it's real! In the big rock coolsville mountain, you never change your socks and the little streams of alcolhol come trickling down the rocks.
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Full absolute disagreement. My top accumulative tipper of all time, who I should mention leads that title with around 50,000 tokens (which is big on my level on MFC) found me through me Milwaukee tag and has stuck with me and only me since he found me. And he is just one person. People like the allure of flirting with and seeing someone who is doing it somewhere in their city. You can argue it is not as safe, but not that it doesn't bring in the dollars. People LOOVVVE tipping me for being a born in Wisconsin gal who roots for the Packers each week. In fact I'd argue a majority of my income comes from WI people. Just tonight I had someone telling me about how they lived nearby in Oconomowoc and was happy to see someone so close. You can deny that it works, but that doesn't stop the flow of tokens I make because of it.
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Nope, won't deny. But I'd suggest it's less common than having no effect at all. Glad it works for you though.
I know it is pretty common for the reason Birdie said. I've tipped Hawaii-based models because they are in my state. I've spent a couple year as regular in English models room and probably 1/2 her regulars were English, a rate many times the rest of the site. The same thing is true for all the other nationality and geography's I've mentioned.
Nor does is it strictly a function of tipping for the hometown girl. If I know a model is from SoCal, at some point I'll probably ask her about Disneyland and Lakers, a NYC model about the 9/11 Museum and the Yankees. Depending on the answer I may tip them more. But if I no clue where they live I won't ask them either question and they have less to get a tip from me.
At the end of the day, I think the incremental risk of revealing your state or large city are negligible. I guess JJ and other think the rewards are negligible. It is a difficult task to prove which side is right.
I'm perfectly happy to respect any models right to choose whatever information she feels comfortable. I just ask that myself and the thousand of other guys who innocently ask a model "what part of the country do you live" don't' get labeled as serial killer stalkers.
I think asking anyone- model asking member or member asking model- where they are is a good conversation starter. It can really get a topic going. Some people love to travel and also learn about new places and cultures (if different country) and there is always something to say and is not like anyone is asking about an exact location (address) or street sign.
But is probably also better conversation if a model brings this up. and if she does and asks a member where he is - is perfectly okay to ask her ( in my opinion.)
and if she does and asks a member where he is - is perfectly okay to ask her ( in my opinion.)
But is probably also better conversation if a model brings this up.
Agreed. And the same goes for "real" first names.
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Most of the people who ask for my location are the dudes who think they're on a dating site.
Gotta admit, the amount who ask me what state Pluto is in amuse me.
Gotta admit, the amount who ask me what state Pluto is in amuse me.
Being able to speak conversationally with your cam room about relatively-local attractions is a positive, absolutely. If I couldn't discuss that stuff, or vague details about things that happen when I'm out and about, I'd rarely have much to talk about.
But there's a difference in comfort level between saying you're in Los Angeles (it's fucking HUGE) or in the "Seattle Area" talking about things that happen in those locales, and giving out your exact location. For people living in small towns with no major hub nearby, that makes it hard to be vague about local happenings, so I can understand not divulging it at all, just for peace of mind.
I couldn't agree more. If you live in small town and somebody pushes you to tell them anything more than state or region, (South, Mountain states) I completely understand shutting them down.
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Or push to say anything at all. If you are pushing for any info you are being an ass, regardless... but I don't think a model really needs to worry about vague regions too much at all if SHE WANTS to divulge that.
But yeah, everything I said was very specifically talking about town/city not region, state or ...nationality? Which was what the OP was specifically talking about so yeah... When I lived in a small town I still always said I was Pacific Northwest. So much of who I am is shaped by being from the region but as a whole it's the size of most countries! Most anything I did that was regional would apply to most anywhere in the PNW, such as hippy organic coffee and year round farmers markets.
and people who live in old school busses with wood stoves... awww I miss it sometimes.EDIT!
Erp I was wrong. The comment about the small town stuck out to me but she was saying state. My bad. either way if she uncomfortable I honestly don't think it will hinder anything to keep it private. I lived in a state that was not PNW for a bit when i started and I'm still not comfy saying where even though I haven't lived there in years... like many states it's just not heavily populated enough for me to personally feel comfortable.
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I figure just as people might tip specifically due to a model being in the region, there will be guys who don't tip due to her being far away. So yeah, I say, just be safe, and do what's comfortable.
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