Treyvon part 2

[Paulie Walnuts]

Since the world seems to have forgotten about it.

Anywhoo, as I was working on some computers the other day I had the tube on and Dr.Phil had Treyvon's family on there talking to them.

I was half listening for a while then I heard something that made me go... wtf?

He called his mom "cupcake".
:?

Now, am I the only one in the world that finds that sort of creepy? Or is this some sort of normal thing that people do nowadays and I just didn't notice it here under my rock?

Oh it seems the shooter's family now has a new excuse... George Zimmerman was an office worker all his life, a cubical plant... a small, harmless little pencil pusher who just had no chance against a giant 17 yr old kid.
:roll:
At what point is this fucker going to just die of pure shame?

 

[Nordling]

I don't find a kid calling his mom "cupcake" creepy at all, because we don't really know the mental context. I seriously doubt there was a sexual innuendo involved.

I do find Dr. Phil to be creepy, however.

Agree on Zimmerman. To me, it's absurd that we have a system where an alleged murderer walks free for six months, a year or more waiting for a trial. When the upcoming trial is bloated with a lot of emotional involvement of the public, sure, a reasonable waiting period may be in order...but this isn't reasonable. IMHO.

 

[Jupiter551]

What I couldn't believe lately was the fact that after hiding passports and money from the court, and the wife being charged with perjury over the same incident, he can have his judge changed (again) because the judge stated the bleeding obvious - that Zimmerman had attempted to decieve the court!

How the fuck is that prejudicial lol? he had like $100k in undisclosed cash and two secret passports!

Fuck, it's like if I got caught sticking up a bank, going to court and then asking for a different judge on the basis of the current one being prejudicial for stating that it appeared I had been trying to rob a bank.

 

[Shaun__]

Fuck, it's like if I got caught sticking up a bank, going to court and then asking for a different judge on the basis of the current one being prejudicial for stating that it appeared I had been trying to rob a bank.

That may actually work. The judge is supposed to be unbiased and judge you only on the evidence submitted to the court. They do not do that, but they have to at least pretend in high profile trials to do it that way.

 

[JickyJuly]

My stepson is 20 and calls my husband "Daddy". It turns my stomach every time (mostly because I know the next thing is asking for money I guess). Most people seem to think they're a little cuter than they really are in my opinion. It's obnoxious.

 

[LadyLuna]

Dr. Phil calls any female over 30 cupcake. I've only ever heard it used in a.. condescending tone though.

Then again, I've only seen Dr Phil a few times, cause my mom was watching him when I went to visit. I think she stopped watching.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Wait, so Dr. Phil called Treyvon's mom cupcake or Treyvon used to call his mom cupcake?

If it was Dr. Phil, I think that's obnoxious and unprofessional, but then again, that's how Dr. Phil rolls.

If Treyvon used to call his mom cupcake, it could have just been an inside joke or something like that.

 

[Jupiter551]

Fuck, it's like if I got caught sticking up a bank, going to court and then asking for a different judge on the basis of the current one being prejudicial for stating that it appeared I had been trying to rob a bank.

That may actually work. The judge is supposed to be unbiased and judge you only on the evidence submitted to the court. They do not do that, but they have to at least pretend in high profile trials to do it that way.

But ultimately isn't a judge's job to make rulings based on the evidence? To me the judge made a bail ruling based on the evidence that Z and his wife clearly misled the court - is a judge not paid to sit in judgement?

 

[Nordling]

Fuck, it's like if I got caught sticking up a bank, going to court and then asking for a different judge on the basis of the current one being prejudicial for stating that it appeared I had been trying to rob a bank.

That may actually work. The judge is supposed to be unbiased and judge you only on the evidence submitted to the court. They do not do that, but they have to at least pretend in high profile trials to do it that way.

But ultimately isn't a judge's job to make rulings based on the evidence? To me the judge made a bail ruling based on the evidence that Z and his wife clearly misled the court - is a judge not paid to sit in judgement?

Agree. It'd be bias if he'd said or implied that Zimmerman and wife were guilty of the actual charge, but this was about bail and behavior not directly related to the actual charge.

 

[Shaun__]

Fuck, it's like if I got caught sticking up a bank, going to court and then asking for a different judge on the basis of the current one being prejudicial for stating that it appeared I had been trying to rob a bank.

That may actually work. The judge is supposed to be unbiased and judge you only on the evidence submitted to the court. They do not do that, but they have to at least pretend in high profile trials to do it that way.

But ultimately isn't a judge's job to make rulings based on the evidence? To me the judge made a bail ruling based on the evidence that Z and his wife clearly misled the court - is a judge not paid to sit in judgement?

He has to wait until the end to judge. He can not tell the guy, that is on the prosecution's video robbing a bank, that he looks like a bank robber. He has to wait to hear the defense's side of the story then judge him. As soon as he takes a side out loud he renders himself biased, and the defense attorney will ask for a new judge, dismissal, or anything else that will help their client. He can be biased, but he has to keep it to himself.

The judge in this case never should have said that he looked shady for lying. He could have said due to the misstatements from the defense his original bail amount had been set to too low and he needed to revise it.

 

[Jupiter551]

Well I'm extremely surprised that having an undisclosed passport isn't a clear breach of his bail conditions in the first place.

I thought this was pretty good

 

[Anonymous]

Not trying to be a spelling Nazi, but his name is spelled 'Trayvon'.

When I first watched that movie The Ring, I thought it was weird that the little boy Aidan (Aiden?) called his mom 'Rachel'...lol. A little strange for a child to call a person of authority by his/her first name, but that's just me.

I never hear of people calling others 'cupcake' anymore...lol. I've been called 'Mommy', 'Mama', and 'Mom-Mom', but never 'cupcake'.

 

[Nordling]

Not trying to be a spelling Nazi, but his name is spelled 'Trayvon'.

When I first watched that movie The Ring, I thought it was weird that the little boy Aidan (Aiden?) called his mom 'Rachel'...lol. A little strange for a child to call a person of authority by his/her first name, but that's just me.

I never hear of people calling others 'cupcake' anymore...lol. I've been called 'Mommy', 'Mama', and 'Mom-Mom', but never 'cupcake'.

lol I missed that spelling error too. Doing a little googling, it's amazing how many sites get it wrong...including big sites like ABC.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wait, so Dr. Phil called Treyvon's mom cupcake or Treyvon used to call his mom cupcake?

If it was Dr. Phil, I think that's obnoxious and unprofessional, but then again, that's how Dr. Phil rolls.

If Treyvon used to call his mom cupcake, it could have just been an inside joke or something like that.

No, the mother said that trey called her cupcake, that was his name for her, not momor mommy or mother...

Cupcake. It just sounded really weird for a kid to call his mom cupcake.

Dr.Phil isn't actually a real doctor anymore, IIRC he got his license revoked yrs ago for getting involved with a patient or something.
He uses and promotes using lie detectors as the nd all be all of truth detection and these poor bastards on his show just take em and quite often, they get ruined doing it. Polygraph testing is a horrible junk science thing that NOBODY in their right mind would ever consent to taking.

Inadmissible in court for a good reason... it's junk science. I wanna know why he just doesn't have a top notch phrenologist or a palm reader on the show too.

When I'm busy and not paying attention, I have the Tv on that channel to watch the news and so.... I end up half watching it sometimes.

But no it was the kid calling his mom cupcake... it made me go wtf.... cupcake? If I called my mom cupcake she'd go WTF and smack me with her cane.
:lol:

 

[Jupiter551]

I'm sure there was context to Tray calling her 'cupcake' - a story that went with it or something - that we don't have access to. Could be something as simple as he heard his dad call her that when he was small so he started doing it and they thought it was cute so didn't correct him?

 

[Nordling]

I'm sure there was context to Tray calling her 'cupcake' - a story that went with it or something - that we don't have access to. Could be something as simple as he heard his dad call her that when he was small so he started doing it and they thought it was cute so didn't correct him?

Yeah, a neighbor kid when I was growing up called his mom "Tweety."

 

[Jupiter551]

Bunch of evidence released today, not much earth-shattering, except for one thing: there's none of Martin's DNA anywhere on the gun, but a large amount of the explanation Z gave for shooting M was that M tried to get the gun (if that's true then he didn't even get a finger on it), so Z shot him.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...e-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-cell-phone-records

 

[Bocefish]

Bunch of evidence released today, not much earth-shattering, except for one thing: there's none of Martin's DNA anywhere on the gun, but a large amount of the explanation Z gave for shooting M was that M tried to get the gun (if that's true then he didn't even get a finger on it), so Z shot him.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...e-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-cell-phone-records

a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

Doesn't mean diddly squat and sounds like more trial by media that the prosecution leaked. I wish the media would just stop posting until the trial.

 

[camstory]

I'm sure there was context to Tray calling her 'cupcake' - a story that went with it or something - that we don't have access to. Could be something as simple as he heard his dad call her that when he was small so he started doing it and they thought it was cute so didn't correct him?

Yea, or maybe it was cuz Tray had such a strong maternal desire, or Oedipus complex, that he wanted to rip mama's pleated outer wrap off, crumple it and throw it to the ground, then run his finger through her sweet frosting and have at her moist buttery cake core, and calling her cupcake gave him some release from that desire. In which case he needed shot.

I admit it seems a bit odd to me too, and I can't imagine how such a name would have ever become OK with my mom, even if it was cute. But, I can totally imagine it happening with different parents. I have a friend (Gorge Jr.) who's father would call him, "My Baby" when he hadn't seen him in a while. He would come home from 10 days driving long haul, and walk in and say, "How's my baby" to a man of 25 years. George Sr. has called George Jr.'s daughter "sugar britches" since she was a baby, and through her teen years and still calls her that as an adult. There is no sexual undertone to it, but I'm sure it would seem very odd to most.

I also think that if there were any sexual pinning to Tray calling mom cupcake, it would not be so casual a notion for tray's mom, and family.

Even if Tray and mom were getting giggy wit it, I don't think that means he needed shoot'in.

 

[Jupiter551]

I also think that if there were any sexual pinning to Tray calling mom cupcake, it would not be so casual a notion for tray's mom, and family.

Even if Tray and mom were getting giggy wit it, I don't think that means he needed shoot'in.

Wow, I don't think anyone was suggesting trayvon had sex with his mother were they?

Doesn't mean diddly squat and sounds like more trial by media that the prosecution leaked. I wish the media would just stop posting until the trial.

It wasn't 'leaked', it was released to the public openly as was the prosecutions right. Depending on Z's exact accounting of what happened it could mean plenty. They found Z's DNA and other peoples DNA on the weapon, but none of Trayvon's - meaning he didn't touch the gun. So explain to me how there's two people struggling *FOR A GUN* which is what Zimmerman says, the other guy is apparently on top of Zimmerman, is by Z's own account going for the gun yet doesn't manage to lay even one single finger on it. Hell, even if he'd brushed it with his knuckle it would have SOMETHING.

Honestly though, why would any of this be a surprise? Gung-ho neighbourhood watch man shoots unarmed 17 year old with a single shot to the heart - should we be surprised the victim never got hold of his murder weapon?

 

[Bocefish]

Doesn't matter what I say, it's what Z said, which was that he felt Trey was reaching for his gun. It doesn't mean he actually reached it, not to mention there could have been clothing in the way or even the holster that prevented actual skin contact. Trey's lack of DNA on the gun doesn't mean squat except to the people that have been judge, jury and convicted him from the beginning without a trial.

 

[camstory]

I also think that if there were any sexual pinning to Tray calling mom cupcake, it would not be so casual a notion for tray's mom, and family.

Even if Tray and mom were getting giggy wit it, I don't think that means he needed shoot'in.

Wow, I don't think anyone was suggesting trayvon had sex with his mother were they?

No, I don't think they were. I think why ppl were feeling it was creepy was b/c it seems like a odd name to call ones mother. I think partly why ppl feel it is creepy is b/c of the sexual undertone such a pet name would more commonly carry.

But mostly what I think is that it is silly to consider what he called mom in the context of the real question; was he justifiable shot and killed, or was he murdered?

 

[Jupiter551]

Doesn't matter what I say, it's what Z said, which was that he felt Trey was reaching for his gun. It doesn't mean he actually reached it, not to mention there could have been clothing in the way or even the holster that prevented actual skin contact. Trey's lack of DNA on the gun doesn't mean squat except to the people that have been judge, jury and convicted him from the beginning without a trial.

No, the more specific we get with what DID and DIDN'T happen, when applied to his account add up to tell us whether he was lying or not. Zimmerman's credibility is crucial for his defense. Without it he's already as good as convicted.

 

[camstory]

Zimmerman's credibility is crucial for his defense. Without it he's already as good as convicted.

Yes this ^^^^. (Sorry Jupiter, it was so much fun reading it, I couldn't resist knowing if it would be just as fun to type it. - It was better!

 

[Jupiter551]

Part of me thinks Zimmerman's dad can't be this stupid. (It's the part of me that is constantly surprised how stupid people can be).
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...-s-Dad-says-Black-People-are-the-True-Racists