TW - Ohio University student regrets sex after pic/vids leak

[bawksy]

There's a story going around the news about how some girl cried rape to the police after videos and pictures of her getting finger blasted and eaten out appeared online.




That news video blurred it out, but here's a close-up picture of the rape taking place:
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Beware, massive trigger warning because this picture is quite graphic.
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The look of sheer terror in her eyes as the aggressor brutally assaults her is stunning. :?

Here's a written story about it:

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...nvestigate-alleged-rape-caught-on-camera.html

Now, false rape accusations are not a big news story. They should be, but unfortunately it's a scary reality for men that these sort of shenanigans happen all the time. What's most amazing to me is how emotional the chick in the yellow sweater ("Allie Erwin") gets near the end of interview in the youtube video I posted. What an idiot.


False rape accusations like this are despicable for two reasons. One, because the victim (not the fake victim, the REAL victim: the falsely accused "rapist") will have his life turned upside possibly forever, even once he proves his innocence (no such thing as innocent until proven guilty in a rape case). Secondly, because it makes it even harder for us to believe real rape victims.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

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Why are you calling this a false accusation?

 

[bawksy]

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Because this is not a rape face.

And because she waited until after she was embarrassed by the public posting of pictures and videos before she reported it. Some girls think it is better to be a rape victim than a slut.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

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What is a rape face? What part of the video/article you've posted supports your idea that her accusation is false? The woman at the end doesn't seem overly excited or emotional, considering the topic she's discussing.

 

[bawksy]

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Well, this link has an actual video of the "rape" going down. I'll let you make up your own mind.

http://www.sadistic.pl/rachel-cassidy-przebiegla-kurwa-vt237612.htm


Did you see her use her hands, even once, to push the "rapist" away?

No?


Now what might a reasonable person conclude from that?

 

[bawksy]

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What is a rape face?

This is a rape face.

Note the clear indication that she is being forced into the act against her will.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

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I'm not going to watch a video of someone being sexually assaulted so that I can continue to disagree with you... Thanks but no thanks. Unless the woman in the video stated, "I am consenting to this activity," I don't know what it would be able to prove. Why do we question anyone who claims that they've been assaulted? What do they have to gain?

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

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And a person shouldn't be required to push someone away from having sexual contact with them, words should be more than enough.

 

[bawksy]

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I'm not going to watch a video of someone being sexually assaulted so that I can continue to disagree with you.

Ignorant and happy. What a way to go through life.

Why do we question anyone who claims that they've been assaulted? What do they have to gain?

Are you serious? What we have to gain is giving the falsely alleged rapist his life back. What we have to gain is making sure REAL rape victims are not discredited due to the abundance of false accusers.

You should stop posting. I wanted to have intelligent debate in this thread.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

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I don't think you wanted to have an intelligent debate, I think you wanted to be a rape apologist and not get any flack for it. Sorry, not sorry!

That dude has his life. It hasn't been taken away from him. What are you fighting for?

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

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Why did you label the image with a trigger warning, if you think it's just consensual sexual activity? If it was just two adults getting intimate, why not just say "NSFW" and post it?

 

[Diana Blake]

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Bawksy is trolling again. He only posted the trigger warning because he feels they're useless and "feminist bullshit"

Now for the video... there's not enough information here for conclusions to be made. Was she drunk? High? Taking advantage of someone that doesn't fully understand the situation, even if she agrees, is still rape. If you fuck a twelve year old your ass is still going to jail. A child too young to understand is the same situation as someone that's too inebriated to understand. And before you jump on it, yes, she should have made sure to get shit faced with friends that would look out for her but that doesn't make it her fault.

Now, if she was not under the influence of any drugs our alcohol and she did agree to the sex act a crime was STILL committed. It's obvious that she didn't want these photos and video of her posted online and didn't give consent to that. However, it's not exactly a crime that's easy to report to the police. Everyone she knows has probably seen this video or the news story. Hell, people she doesn't know are arguing it and calling her a slut right now.

There are two real options here, either she was inebriated in some way, in which case it's rape, or her trust was betrayed by someone when she was indulging in some sexual freedom. Now she's being made to feel ashamed of what should have been a fun and exciting memory. She's not a cam girl, she didn't sign up to have her sexuality put on display and you're a right ass for feeling that you can know what "really" happened with so little information.

Making a decision based on facts is a judgement, what you're doing is simply judgmental as well as rude.

Beyond that, I was unconscious for my rape. I didn't have a "rape face" but that didn't make the fear, pain and the twenty some odd panucked pregnancy tests I took afterward any less real.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

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The fact that we are even discussing "rape face" makes me want to vomit.

Thank you, Diana, for being much more articulate than I was able to be.

 

[bawksy]

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either she was inebriated in some way, in which case it's rape

What if he was drunk and she was sober? Is she a rapist?

What if they were equally drunk? Are they both rapists?

 

[Bocefish]

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The investigation is still ongoing, but from the video with audio, the still pictures of her smiling, bystander reports... leads to me to believe it was probably consensual.

A man who Tweeted a picture of a couple engaging in a public sex act near an Ohio University's campus says the woman — who claimed she was being raped — appeared to be enjoying herself and left with the man when it was through.

Vance Blanc, 19, told a campus newspaper that the woman "never said stop, she never struggled and she never asked for help" before reporting the act to Athens police as sexual assault the next day.

"She seemed like she was enjoying it, so I guess for everyone there it was like 'OK, it's not assault. It's not rape,'" the freshmen business major told the student-run Post.

However the woman's consciousness and her ability to give consent to the act being performed on her is now being investigated by police.

"It was obvious that both the man and woman were very, very drunk," Blanc said of her condition, which he acknowledges could have impaired her judgment - as well as the participating man's.

Never at any point did he or many of the others who had gathered to watch feel that the woman involved was being held against her will, he said.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z2i2ZMQdhD

 

[LadyLuna]

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either she was inebriated in some way, in which case it's rape

What if he was drunk and she was sober? Is she a rapist?

What if they were equally drunk? Are they both rapists?

My biggest problem with the claim that drunkenness disables a woman's ability to consent is the fact that driving drunk is still a crime. If we can't consent to what we are doing when we're drunk, how can we be held accountable for driving while we are drunk?

 

[Nordling]

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either she was inebriated in some way, in which case it's rape

What if he was drunk and she was sober? Is she a rapist?

What if they were equally drunk? Are they both rapists?

My biggest problem with the claim that drunkenness disables a woman's ability to consent is the fact that driving drunk is still a crime. If we can't consent to what we are doing when we're drunk, how can we be held accountable for driving while we are drunk?

You have a good point. The husband of a woman my wife worked with was sentenced for manslaughter because the passenger in his car died when he (the driver) made a foolish mistake in dense traffic. His lawyer told him at one point during conference that if he had been drunk he could possibly have gotten a lighter sentence due to "reduced capacity."

 

[JerryBoBerry]

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either she was inebriated in some way, in which case it's rape

What if he was drunk and she was sober? Is she a rapist?

What if they were equally drunk? Are they both rapists?

My biggest problem with the claim that drunkenness disables a woman's ability to consent is the fact that driving drunk is still a crime. If we can't consent to what we are doing when we're drunk, how can we be held accountable for driving while we are drunk?

I did go watch the other video. It doesn't look anything like rape. It's a chick having sex in a public place. That's it.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in this case, but from what I saw that wasn't rape. Not even close. (taking into account all we really have at this point is very little information) It looks like she went out to party, got drunk, had sex and there ya go. To any normal person reading that story it looks like she wasn't doing anything whatsoever to stop it, is actually enjoying herself, and there's two other witnesses who don't appear to be involved yet she didn't even bother asking for help.

Saying this was rape purely based on the whole 'can't give consent' ideology means every single college kid who has ever been to a frat party and got laid is now either a rapist or the victim of a rape. Uh, no.

Let me count the number of times I've ever heard of a happy smiling woman being eaten out in public while staring into the camera held by a stranger and another stranger also watched who then turned out to actually be a rape victim, the whole time just cleverly disguising it all in expressions of joy. I'll let you know when I get to 1. It might be awhile.

 

[SexySteph]

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That girl doesn't necessarily look happy, she looks sloppy drunk. Also, I'm really curious what a rape face looks like.

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I was raped by my ex boyfriend (he wasn't my bf at the time, we'd broken up a week before) 5 minutes after I thought we'd finished having sex for what I assumed was the final time, he wanted to go again, I said no, he said yes, I said no and expressed that I wanted to go home, and he forced himself on me. And you know what I did instead of fight back? I let it happen because I figured it would end sooner if I didn't fight back. I tried to relax and stay calm, so I probably didn't look like I was in a great deal of distress because I didn't want to let him have the privilege of thinking he was hurting me (which is something a rapist generally wants, to hurt and to control). Hell, idk, someone else might have thought I was enjoying myself.

So again, tell me what does a rape face look like?


PS Btw, false rape accusations actually happen far less than the public likes to think. But the fact that so many people say "she's probably lying" is the reason many people don't report. Why put yourself through public ridicule, a painful physical exam and a trial to punish someone for something that didn't even happen?

 

[Diana Blake]

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Yeah, you guys are probably right, it's not like people can get black out drunk and not remember large parts of the night the next day. It was probably really helpful to her having those videos all over social networking sites after she sibered up. She might not be able to remember it but, hey, she's got this great video showing her that she must have had a great time.

And y'know, the whole driving drunk thing is probably right too. Not like driving drunk is something you can prevent BEFORE drinking. If only there were a way to set up a ride home with someone that wasn't drinking or call some sort of car service to take you home so you wouldn't be able to drive home drunk...

 

[Kunra9]

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While the original few posts in this thread are ignorant and blatant trolling attempts, this can be a decent discussion if kept civilized.

Strictly based on the visual evidence provided, this does not appear to be rape. Granted I don't know the full story.
If she was drugged, then it's rape. If she was tricked into drinking stronger drinks, it's rape.

But if she just went out and got drunk, and then started fooling around with another drunk adult in public, I can't agree that is rape.

Stating that any time a woman has sex while drunk is rape... isn't really fair.

If we are talking about drunk beyond the point of coherence, then you have an argument. But people should have to take SOME personal responsibility for their actions.
I really don't see women as such helpless creatures that if they get a bit tipsy and get it on, that they were taken advantage of.

I have one sexual encounter in my past where I went out, got drunk to the point of blacking out, ended up texting a girl that I knew liked me and I had no interest in, she came over (she was stone sober) and we had sex. When I woke up the next day and she was next to me... it was a horrible feeling. I didn't remember anything. And I had so much regret it was ridiculous.

She knew I was drunk once she arrived. So did she rape me?

I don't feel she did at all.

Yes there is a bit of a double standard, and there should be as guys are typically much more apt to be scumbags and take advantage.
But it can't be swung SO FAR against men like that. That's just unreasonable.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

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Interesting how the first article in the thread left out one detail. She also told the police she didn't remember it happening at the time and didn't know it had happened until she saw the video herself. Being that drunk is starting to make a bit more sense with the events. And it was up to ten other people watched, according to this site.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wo ... -pictures/

 

[SexySteph]

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She knew I was drunk once she arrived. So did she rape me?

I don't feel she did at all.

Yes there is a bit of a double standard, and there should be as guys are typically much more apt to be scumbags and take advantage.
But it can't be swung SO FAR against men like that. That's just unreasonable.

If you don't think she raped you, that's your personal decision to make for yourself, how you feel about what happened. But if you said "I feel raped" I bet many people would say, that yes, you should feel that way and it's okay that you do. The double standard should not exist. If a man ever comes on to me when he's hammered drunk, even if I was dating him, I always say no, because I don't feel that he is in a place to give consent. So, what she did to you was very fucked and if you called it rape I'd say you'd have every right to.

 

[Diana Blake]

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Kunra, that was sexual assault. Guys can be raped just like girls can; just because a guy has boner doesn't mean he wants sex. The seeming disparity in this situation between sexes is only because of misinformation and the wide spread belief that unless it's man on man a guy can't be raped. This type of thinking is the same responsible for "A woman can run faster with her skirts up than a man can with his pants down."

It's just plain ignorance.

She knew you were drunk and she should have tucked you into bed with an aspirin and a glass of water and quietly left. What she did was wrong. This happens to a lot of guys but they don't report it. There is an entire rape subculture of men that have had this exact situation happen to them. Like you said, you wake up and you feel full of regret and shame. Something happened to you sexually that you didn't want, it's sexual assault but there's a huge stigma against guys reporting rape. Men have almost been brainwashed into thinking it can't happen while women are educated at an early age and explained in detail what rape and sexual assault/harassment is and how to try to prevent it.

Men should get the same education but they don't and it's not fair but hopefully it will change with time much like racial and sexual equality has. It's not perfect yet but eventually this will hopefully be something that's addressed as a real and dangerous problem.

 

[zippypinhead]

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Whether the sex act itself is rape or not, one facet of these situations strikes me, in that it NEVER seems to be discussed; she obviously didn't consent to have those images posted. So, even if she was of sound mind and she did allow for the dude to let his fingers do the walking, a clear violation has taken place. I can imagine that this sort of violation is pretty damaging to a person, both publicly and privately. To act like she's the awful person for reacting the way she has, to me, is also ridiculous. The guy who snapped these pics and posted them is a genuine fuckbag, and his part in this shouldn't be ignored.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

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Whether the sex act itself is rape or not, one facet of these situations strikes me, in that it NEVER seems to be discussed; she obviously didn't consent to have those images posted. So, even if she was of sound mind and she did allow for the dude to let his fingers do the walking, a clear violation has taken place. I can imagine that this sort of violation is pretty damaging to a person, both publicly and privately. To act like she's the awful person for reacting the way she has, to me, is also ridiculous. The guy who snapped these pics and posted them is a genuine fuckbag, and his part in this shouldn't be ignored.

The rape aside for this comment. I don't think the pictures being posted would be a violation. Under NORMAL circumstances if you're on a public street having a sexual encounter, ten guys watch you and you not only see a camera but look straight at it, then your reasonable expectation of privacy is out the window. People post pictures of other people out in public all the time, there's no problem with that.
You only have a reasonable expectation of privacy in ... a place of privacy.

Again, that is supposing the rape issue were not on the table for this comment.

 

[zippypinhead]

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Whether the sex act itself is rape or not, one facet of these situations strikes me, in that it NEVER seems to be discussed; she obviously didn't consent to have those images posted. So, even if she was of sound mind and she did allow for the dude to let his fingers do the walking, a clear violation has taken place. I can imagine that this sort of violation is pretty damaging to a person, both publicly and privately. To act like she's the awful person for reacting the way she has, to me, is also ridiculous. The guy who snapped these pics and posted them is a genuine fuckbag, and his part in this shouldn't be ignored.

The rape aside for this comment. I don't think the pictures being posted would be a violation. Under NORMAL circumstances if you're on a public street having a sexual encounter, ten guys watch you and you not only see a camera but look straight at it, then your reasonable expectation of privacy is out the window. People post pictures of other people out in public all the time, there's no problem with that.
You only have a reasonable expectation of privacy in ... a place of privacy.

Again, that is supposing the rape issue were not on the table for this comment.

I disagree. This isn't the circus. The hunger for novelty does not trump social responsibility.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

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I disagree. This isn't the circus. The hunger for novelty does not trump social responsibility.

http://photorights.org/faq/is-it-legal- ... out-asking

If you're on the street you have no right to privacy. Anyone may take your picture and do with it as they please.

 

[SexySteph]

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Whether the sex act itself is rape or not, one facet of these situations strikes me, in that it NEVER seems to be discussed; she obviously didn't consent to have those images posted. So, even if she was of sound mind and she did allow for the dude to let his fingers do the walking, a clear violation has taken place. I can imagine that this sort of violation is pretty damaging to a person, both publicly and privately. To act like she's the awful person for reacting the way she has, to me, is also ridiculous. The guy who snapped these pics and posted them is a genuine fuckbag, and his part in this shouldn't be ignored.

The rape aside for this comment. I don't think the pictures being posted would be a violation. Under NORMAL circumstances if you're on a public street having a sexual encounter, ten guys watch you and you not only see a camera but look straight at it, then your reasonable expectation of privacy is out the window. People post pictures of other people out in public all the time, there's no problem with that.
You only have a reasonable expectation of privacy in ... a place of privacy.

Again, that is supposing the rape issue were not on the table for this comment.

This also kind of assumes that she was sober or coherent though, right? And even if she was, I mean you're generally supposed to get a consent for when you film anything, especially if you intend to distribute it. If I was to film a sex-video with my roommate and he knew I did, but never got him to sign his consent I could get in trouble for distributing it. It's the distribution, not the possession. It's kind of like the "MyExGirlfriend" sites, some states it's illegal to post things there, and many of the subjects of those pictures and videos have consented to the recording, but they didn't consent to the distribution. I think this kind of thing falls under defamation of character.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

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Dude had to have been pretty messed up to let people film him fingering someone in public. He probably didn't remember it until someone showed him the video the next day. Dude was probably so embarrassed/worried and then he gets hit with rape accusations. Holy shit that sounds awful. Hard to not feel bad for him assuming he's innocent. Hope he rots in a cell tho if more info comes out revealing he drugged her or forced her to do anything she wasn't cool with.