There was no price involved, they had a long history.. she just invited him here for a casual meeting, she promised accommodation and to take him to visit some nice places etc..
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hehe I think the point is that she did not *make* him go to Romania. He was an adult with free will presumably.
Still... it was certainly a low act by the model in that case.
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Right. That's what I was thinking. She didn't "make" him do anything. What she did was still shitty though.
OK, I may have mentioned this before, but when all of the various information regarding lovense reaction level doesn't match, it really bugs me:
Just cruising SC now, and in a room the Knight announces as below:-
4:43 PM Knight: All tips are Appreciated and the Vibes are really enjoyed...Please see the Special Vibe patterns on the lovense Menu for that EXTRA thrill to treat the Queen
Well, there are no Patterns set when you look at the Lovense Levels / Menu.
Announcement Bot thingy then says this:-
"sweeties, your tips are much appreciated if you like what you see try 25 tok hight level"
25 tk tip level is actually for 5 seconds low (it is in the middle of a tip range)
I do not know if it is dishonesty or cluelessness, either way it does not make me think "professional", and in fact makes me wonder what other anomalies there might be if I tipped or decided to explore a Private show.
Just cruising SC now, and in a room the Knight announces as below:-
4:43 PM Knight: All tips are Appreciated and the Vibes are really enjoyed...Please see the Special Vibe patterns on the lovense Menu for that EXTRA thrill to treat the Queen
Well, there are no Patterns set when you look at the Lovense Levels / Menu.
Announcement Bot thingy then says this:-
"sweeties, your tips are much appreciated if you like what you see try 25 tok hight level"
25 tk tip level is actually for 5 seconds low (it is in the middle of a tip range)
I do not know if it is dishonesty or cluelessness, either way it does not make me think "professional", and in fact makes me wonder what other anomalies there might be if I tipped or decided to explore a Private show.
Agree with that one. It is annoying not to know what's happening for your tips or to tip for some result and then not get it. The model I visit most has two different sets of levels displayed from bots that she runs which will show back-to-back at times, a different list in her bio, and a different set in the on-screen Lovense tip display thing. Plus different levels for Cb vs Strip. It's a mess. I've tried to get her to clean it up many times but she can't keep it consistent. To be fair, it's all in different places so doesn't make it easy.
Another that I don't like are the "Sorry, try again" results from various bots, wheels, etc. Not a good thing to have in something like this for people tipping. When someone gets or sees that come up, it just does the exact opposite and discourages them from doing it again.
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But isn't the point of roulette wheels that it can fail? I guess for some people it is! And the others can easily skip these games and tip normally I guess.
I suppose in some games of chance but doesn't work well in this context. Like I said, just makes people not want to do it again. For something that's intended to encourage tipping, not a good end result. Fine to have some lesser prize on there like a kiss or something. At least they get something for their tip then. The best way to set them up that I've seen is to have one much higher value item that makes people want to try for it. Then they're more motivated to do multiple times.
Except for when it does work, which is quite often. There are plenty people that will tip to spin, roll or whatever until they win. I agree, having a small prize is good, but also having a whammy can also be good.
When wheel spins are priced at a very tiny fraction of the cost of any of the prizes on it, a whammy does its job very well. Because the chances of getting a prize are extremely high on most wheels/etc. If someone is guaranteed to win every single time, there's no financial incentive for the model to even offer it. Might as well just let people buy 90% off videos straight up.
At one point, the model I frequent was offering members to add items to her prize wheel for a set amount of tokens.
I tipped to put two wedges on. One was a “sorry try again” but I also counteracted it with a wedge that would let the member spin again and win double whatever they landed on.
Then there’s the “add tokens to goal/subtract tokens from goal” wedges that have the same idea.
Adding that chance to a wheel spin gives it that added excitement, at least for me. I feel it should be the same as if you were playing any casino game in a model’s room.
I tipped to put two wedges on. One was a “sorry try again” but I also counteracted it with a wedge that would let the member spin again and win double whatever they landed on.
Then there’s the “add tokens to goal/subtract tokens from goal” wedges that have the same idea.
Adding that chance to a wheel spin gives it that added excitement, at least for me. I feel it should be the same as if you were playing any casino game in a model’s room.
The most annoying thing for me is overreacting to Lovense and thus all shows that rely too heavily on using Lovense, as they are all based on giving clear feedback to the user and therefore always requiring overreaction.
The worst of these is clearly the Lush. The Domi is not quite as bad, since it is not used as permanently and its effect is actually more suitable for leading to orgasm.
But even with it, the view is often obscured and especially in public shows, the model must fully concentrate on the feedback and maximizing the revenue by not allowing really intense feelings. All this is far from a pleasurable experience.
The worst of these is clearly the Lush. The Domi is not quite as bad, since it is not used as permanently and its effect is actually more suitable for leading to orgasm.
But even with it, the view is often obscured and especially in public shows, the model must fully concentrate on the feedback and maximizing the revenue by not allowing really intense feelings. All this is far from a pleasurable experience.
Most annoying thing models can do...
Visit another model's room and PM-ing user's watching the show trying to steal them away. "Hey bb. hru? I want your dick. come play with me"
Visit another model's room and PM-ing user's watching the show trying to steal them away. "Hey bb. hru? I want your dick. come play with me"
In all of the years being on CB I had never had this happen to me until a few weeks ago.
Maybe it's because I always have my real colour hidden to just light blue, so they (presumably) target the light and dark purples.. but someone did this to me, obviously I let the model know and she banned them. 5 years of being a pervert and finally I can tick this off my list lol
Talking badly about other models. I know a certain model who only does ticket shows on stripchat and always wants to be in the top 100. She's constantly gossiping about models who splitstream ,are naked in public chat or cam models who do this as their main source of income.
One of her top slogans is "The wheat has separated from the chaff" when she is back in the top 100. She really thinks she’s better than all the others. Can stand such behavior.
One of her top slogans is "The wheat has separated from the chaff" when she is back in the top 100. She really thinks she’s better than all the others. Can stand such behavior.
Depends on the model I suppose. Overreaction is certainly not required. Unless the model does not enjoy the vibrations, in which case maybe she should choose other toys etc. Many (most?) models who use such devices enjoy them. There is nothing more erotic than seeing a woman who is truly enjoying pleasure from her vibrators. Contrary to what many think it is possible to spot a model who is faking. So I agree a model who is obviously faking reactions to lush/domi etc is a huge turn off for me.
I am not sure why you think a model must deny really intense feelings. Women can have more than one orgasm, so if she cums, it does not mean the end of her show or revenue
(In fact I would think that it might lead to more tips.)
In my experience, a lot of viewers leave after the first orgasm. More so in a paid room/show (group shows on MFC is my experience) but could affect public chat room too.Women can have more than one orgasm, so if she cums, it does not mean the end of her show or revenue
on streamate, same can be said after gold shows/premiums. a good chunk sometimes bounced before i even think about cumming, and a lot of them come back for shows another day. i think this is because of biology. i feel like a broken record when i say this, but its true. it takes cis men an average of 5-7 minutes to cum. for cis women, an average of 13 minutes.
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Lol is it weird that I read this and somehow twisted it into; "See ... I do need at least 2 husbands. It's only fair" .
I'll just do it to myself this time... lol
You can't spot a good fake, but many models are so bad at faking that it is very easy and therefore a big turnoff. When you write that she could use another toy then you assume that the main interest of a model is to get sexual satisfaction - but the main interest is to earn money. Therefore, most will use and offer the toys that bring the most revenue.
I agree that it's very erotic to see an orgasm and the way to it, but in my experience this works much better in PVT and without user controlled toys. And even in that case you have to trust the model, that she is not faking it to preserve energy.
I also avoid any model that offers "squirt" in the tip menu, as regular squirting on command is a pretty clear sign that the model has no problem offering the user a very superficial illusion. Maybe I'm doing an injustice to one or the other model, but the probability is simply too high that both squirt and orgasm are being faked with these models.
Yes, women can have multiple orgasms, but do you really think an experienced cam girl will tire herself out by having multiple ones per goal / menu item? There are very few indicators for a real orgasm that cannot be faked, such as a sudden reddening of the skin, but these do not occur always and for every woman and therefore are only a positive confirmation, but conversely not proof of a fake.I am not sure why you think a model must deny really intense feelings. Women can have more than one orgasm, so if she cums, it does not mean the end of her show or revenue
And it's easy to delay by pulling the Domi / Lush away or changing the pressure, position or angle. And I'm not talking about edging, which would be nice, but pulling away much earlier or changing the pressure in combination with appropriate overreaction to make that change plausible.
For my taste, the proportion of illusion on cam sites is much too high and Lovense contributes a good part to it.
Lol I hear ya. It's why Im unapologetically "me first" when it comes to orgasms. No penis in the vagina until I cum. If anyone argues with me, I HAVE SCIENCE ON MY SIDE!Lol is it weird that I read this and somehow twisted it into; "See ... I do need at least 2 husbands. It's only fair" .
I'll just do it to myself this time... lol
But mmfs are fun as fuck. Totes valid.
Fair enough my only experience is with SC and teh rooms that I have frequented it does not make a lot of diff
No, I assume that (experienced) models will not use toys / perform actions that they dislike.
Yes squirt on demand or cum on demand (tip) is really a bridge too far as far as believability is concerned.
I did not say it was easy to spot a fake; just that it *can* be done
It is far more difficult to definitively spot a genuine orgasm unless one is familiar with the model and even then it is sometimes not obvious.
Everything you have said makes me wonder why you visit cam sites or if you even enjoy them.
Genuine question: besides this particular annoyance that you have with some models, is there something that do you enjoy about cam sites? You seems to be very detailed oriented individual and I wonder if that can deter from a fantasy for you.
Valid question. It's actually not easy for me to find rooms where the sexually explicit content of a public show appeals to me. In public shows, usually other things like the model's personality and entertaining non-sexual content keep me coming back.
There are exceptions, but they are not easy to find. I can't just enter a room where I'm purely attracted by the model's looks and have fun, instead I experience a lot of disappointments during my search, when I first feel attracted, only to be torn out of my mood by an exaggerated moan when Lovense is used for the first time or in general with a too artificial show.
So I spend half of my time in rooms where I know that the show appeals to me and the rest of the time looking for new models. This search can be exhausting, but with time you get a better feel for it and can very quickly see whether a room appeals to you or not.
PVT is an alternative, but unfortunately even there models tell you far too often that they can offer a sensual and natural show, only to fall back into porn-like behavior repeatedly. I suspect by now that some models use or need this exaggeration to protect their real personality. Would only be nice to know that beforehand. Since I approach the PVTs slowly to allow the model to change the mood from public to a more intimate private experience, unfortunately I often discover this only after I have already paid for 10-15 minutes.
However, even in this area, you learn to read certain signs over time. For example, if a model never manages to show a sensual side of herself in the public shows, it is very unlikely that she will be able to switch completely in PVTs - all promises and a very appealing appearance won't help then. Therefore, I now only get involved with PVT if I could see clear signs in the public show that the model can meet my preferences and if it fits I will become a regular customer to save me the search and disappointments.
In that context VR is a blessing. Because the realism of a VR experience means that very soft content is already enough for me here - everything else is a bonus. A sensual dance of a beautiful woman in VR, who also knows how to handle and play with the VR camera properly, beats any explicit regular 2D show. And you can't fake your dancing skills.
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Have you considered just telling models you get privates with exactly what your expectations are in the beginning? We are performers, we PERFORM (also, we make porn, so yeah, porn-like behavior [whatever that means???] would be expected) and we can adjust our performance to your tastes, but only if you tell us. Sadly, you don't automatically get mind reading powers when you become a cam model. I love when members let me know what they're into in a clear way, it makes for a better show for both parties.
Yes, I describe my wishes very clearly. Unfortunately, many models only see the prospect of taking a PVT show and therefore do not really weigh whether they are the right model for me and my expectations.
For example, I often tell the model to masturbate at the end of the show the way it feels best for her and the way she would do it in private and that I won't give any instructions so she doesn't have to look at the screen all the time and get distracted. I also tell her to try to orgasm but if it doesn't work we can try again another time, she doesn't have to fake anything for me.
This is confirmed to me in advance, only to not be able to execute it in the PVT show. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see how this description can be understood wrong in a way, that leads to a "porn-like" ("obviously artificial") way of masturbation with a clearly faked orgasm.
It's not like it never works with any model, but the rate is surprisingly bad for such a rather clear specification of a basic task, if I don't invest a lot of time in the pre-selection. Maybe not every models wants to show this personal side of her or she is tired or not in the mood, but she could tell me in advance. I'm more than happy to do it another time or accept that this time she had trouble coming to orgasm - on the contrary, this honesty would be a reason for me to become a regular customer.
One addition to my last post: All this may read as if I am only looking for GFE or very sensual/soft shows. However, this is only part of my preferences, but even when it comes to more explicit content, authenticity is very important to me and this is usually not found in rooms with a strong Lovense focus.
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i like to be real too. when members tell me to masturbate on my own, i say "okay i dont do that, i only do it with other people." which is true. lots of women don't have libidos where they need to masturbate for relief. their regular sex life is enough. whereas some women need to masturbate. i can count on my hand all the times i masturbated on my own and i don't think i made myself cum all the time because i usually got bored, or couldn't get into it. whereas on cam, i'm able to concentrate on masturbating because someone is there. i do masturbate during sex all the time too.
i get accused of faking my orgasms ALL THE TIME, but mine can get pretty intense and loud. that's me overall. in college, my dorm floor would tease me for "fucking like a pornstar." damn straight. i'm also super sensitive, so i can cum in like 2 minutes. if that ain't your thing, cool. i don't expect to everyone enjoy me. i also don't like the stupid faces some dudes make while they cum, but it would be irrational to accuse them of faking their orgasms because it didn't get my rocks off. no one is clairvoyant no matter how much they try, so how do you know it's fake? did they tell you? sure it's porn and it doesn't take a sleuth to know that there are cammodels who have been streaming for hours and probably can't cum anymore because they are tired but can't log off because we don't get hourly and 99% of earnings are commission based only. my point is, you don't know.
i do get why women in sexwork fake their orgasms. have you ever had 6 in a row? they are a lot. i always crash after shows where i cum a bunch. it's why some nights when im super busy, i have to log off when it's good and i'm not done with my scheduled time. i can't drink a third red bull to keep myself up. my body needs to rest. lots of dudes forget we are human beings who do get tired and sexwork is work. the chances of getting that on a porn site are slim. i don't fake my orgasms because i think im "better" or "more real" i don't fake because i literally cant. it's so fucking obvious, and i felt like an idiot while. we are not all the same. we all perform differently. that's what porn is, a performance for entertainment. if you want guaranteed genuine orgasms, get a girlfriend or fuck buddy. i'm not trying to be bitch and i'm sorry if that was harsh to hear, but with porn, you kinda have to suspend your disbelief. same can be said for any type of entertainment. movies, sports, video games, ect.
also we do have to pay attention to the screen. we are conditioned to. sometimes users get disconnected, and we don't want to be given free shows in public. depending on the site, there might be no below-the-belt nudity or masturbation shows in freechat rule, so we have to be paying attention to not get in trouble and possibly lose access to streaming. another reason why models have to look at their screens is that users say one then say another 2 minutes later. if we don't see it, we risk getting a negative rating for not paying attention to their needs. if you are watching a cammodel, they gonna look/glance at the screen. we HAVE to. we can also disconnect in shows, and if we aren't paying attention, we might not notice.
my recommendation for you is clipsites. how you want a model to perform is a little impossible to expect on a camsite.
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It doesn't read to me as clear specification of what you're looking for. Or rather, it seems to me like you have a very specific idea of what "authentic"looks like, when everyone's authentic is different. Hell, same person's authentic can vary widely.
I'll use myself as an example. Sometimes my masturbation looks like I'm barely moving, and subsequent orgasm is impossible to notice for an outsider. Not sensual and completely boring to look at. Sometimes I literally jump on a toy, shake and scream in a way you would probably consider "porn-like". Both (and a whole spectrum between them) are authentic forms of my sexual expression, though when I cam I usually perform closer to more "porn-like" end of the spectrum simply because it looks more fun on cam.
I'm not saying that you're completely wrong in your judgement and I believe there are models who ignore your wishes, but I also have a feeling you could express what you're into in a clearer way, and also take some time to examine what "authentic" looks like for you and if you really want "authentic" or a performance of authentic that is up to your standards.
Thanks for your responses. I know it's not always easy to give me this kind of experience in the best way, but I'm also not offended when a girl tells me she can't do it or we'll have to do it another time. I'm just disappointed when we have an agreement and then not only is it not honored (which would still be fine since I don't have robots in front of me), but they switch to a bad illusion instead.
I do not simply assume that I was deceived or that an orgasm was not real - in doubt I always believe that this is simply the style of the girl. But in a 10-20 minute cum show, hardly any model can keep up a pure illusion undetected and that is the moment when my pleasure is disturbed/interrupted and the model does not end up on my list for future shows.
One of my favorite models for example wants me to do this kind of show at the beginning of her session because she can't enjoy it after working for many hours. This is not a problem for me and I try to follow her schedule or have fun with her in another way. It's also not about a certain masturbation style I expect, the only thing I expect is authenticity.
So I'm not as hard to please as it may sound - in the end, I just expect honest interaction in chat and in shows. I don't consider cams as porn, but as interaction between two people - and nobody wants to be swindled by their communication partner.
I do not simply assume that I was deceived or that an orgasm was not real - in doubt I always believe that this is simply the style of the girl. But in a 10-20 minute cum show, hardly any model can keep up a pure illusion undetected and that is the moment when my pleasure is disturbed/interrupted and the model does not end up on my list for future shows.
One of my favorite models for example wants me to do this kind of show at the beginning of her session because she can't enjoy it after working for many hours. This is not a problem for me and I try to follow her schedule or have fun with her in another way. It's also not about a certain masturbation style I expect, the only thing I expect is authenticity.
So I'm not as hard to please as it may sound - in the end, I just expect honest interaction in chat and in shows. I don't consider cams as porn, but as interaction between two people - and nobody wants to be swindled by their communication partner.
camsites are pornsites. if you are using visuals or audio it to masturbate with or to, its pornography.
Of course you can classify the video/audio part that way, but the reason why users spend hundreds of dollars and don't pay a $10-$20 flat rate on a porn site instead is the interaction.
Therefore it's this interaction that must convince. And just as I don't frequent stores where I don't trust the salespeople/owners, I also look for models I can trust regarding this more particular business.
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