Who are you voting for?

[justjoinedtopost]

Sex almost never comes up in conversations, and never in the way Trump does it. As boring as this will sound our secret men's club talk is men complaining about all the work their wife wants done, how lucky I am single, when am I going to get married and know true joy, vacations, work, TV shows, movies, politics, funny youtube videos, 401ks, pensions, medical problems, pets, children problems, and sports.

I sort of agree. When I was younger, there was a lot of talk worse than that going on with me and my friends. Ideally, you outgrow it (except for the occasional relapse).

My grandpa would occasionally tell me stories about his sexual encounters right up to the end. Of course, none of it was the of the bragging variety; mostly shit he found funny or interesting. It was also in private, between me and him. He wasn't calling in to the Howard Stern show.

No actually I dint always prefer them in prince mode sometime it annoy me too cause I know is bullshit the hallmark. But good to know trump is a strong male we need strong male in White House is important job we don't need a guy who kiss everyone ass and constantly say bullshit just to be polilitically correct.

Trump is not a strong man. He's had access to money, which has given him power. But he comes across as a bully.

Putin seems smart. I'm not surprised he would want to deal with Trump rather than Clinton. He knows he would own Trump's ass.

Look this he'ah video...



Listen to the sing-song way he reads this pre-written statement. Where is the fire? Where is the passion? Where is the theatrical, overly dramatic gesturing?

That shit is for the fantasy world of rallies. This is Trump in reality. Punked (that's "cucked" for all you young fascists). Doing what the fuck somebody else told him he better do.

So tell me...when Trump has to deal with people like Putin in politics, is he going to be correct about it? Or is he going to stand there, nervously humping his chair like some kind of overgrown radioactive chia pet hopped up on viagra?

 

[Osmia]

A bit disturbing.... from http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/another-fascinating-email

"This one is from TPM Reader EW about his circle of white male millennial friends and Trump. A lot to consider here.

I read this thread about the unsolicited violence we are starting to see in ordinary life as a consequence of this election. I wanted to add another anecdote that ties with this, not because it's one about violence, but because it's about those enabling the violence, which in my mind, is far worse.

The context: my peer group is all white male Millennials from Massachusetts in their late 20s, as am I. We all came of age in the job market during the crash in 2008; we have all benefited greatly from the recovery. Every one of us has seen income increases, job promotions, marriages, and children. At least a couple of these peers of mine were on unemployment for a substantial period of time.
This is all to say that the "system" (which I'm alluding to ahead of time) and the economy has served us well--which brings me to the argument I was in with all of them about the second debate.

According to them, it seems like there were two debates: one where Hillary Clinton discussed in an adult manner the issues at stake; one where Donald Trump lambasted the "system" with Hillary Clinton as the stand-in. All of my college-educated Millennial friends saw the second debate and loved every second of it. In that post-debate argument, every one of them defended Donald Trump's assault on Hillary Clinton with the conception that all Donald Trump was doing was insisting that the "royalty class" be held to the same standard as anyone else.

Without detailing the rest of the argument, and without engaging the merits of this, it boiled down to the idea that Donald Trump is the only one who can "blow up" the "broken system." I found myself alone in trying to make people appreciate that everyone loves to blow things up until the bill comes in (see: Iraq).

And that's the core of my deep, deep fear about this election cycle. I keep reading everywhere that college-educated people are breaking for Trump, that Trump is feeding on the people who have been left behind by this economy, and so forth and so on. It's not what I'm seeing."

What I'm seeing is men--even men who have been on government assistance, men whom the system as it exists has unequivocally helped--utterly convinced that the "system" is broken and are all too happy to egg on a guy who they know full well will blow it all to hell. The very people who have the most to lose and are the most tied into the existing hegemony and the ones looking to nuke it.

This is an old song at least in Republican partisanship: the (somewhat valid) trope of rural Southerns who benefit from government assistance railing against its existence, and so on. I did not expect to see that bite-the-hand-that-feeds nihilism in my own peer group amongst moderate college-educated 20-somethings living in Massachusetts.

People seem to be truly disconnected from the social contract that has bound us all for a great many decades. They feel like the game is rigged because the elites are never held to the same standard as the rest of us. Regardless of the reasons for why that issue exists, it's this feeling that is making everyone want to blow it up and start over rather than engage in the hard work of making it better. And this desire to blow it up is what makes them laugh and cheer at the racist trolling and violence against others in the name of Trump and all the rest.

Mind you, that's a description, not a defense. And this is why I'm afraid.​

 

[Bocefish]

I find it a little unsettling with everything that's going on people are still talking about what Trump said 11 years ago. Unfortunately, that just shows how media-driven today's society is. The guy was 59 years old and trying to portray what a playboy he still was to a young Billy Bush. Methinks most of us learned at a fairly young age that people who bragged the most about sexual conquests were making up stories in order to build themselves up to look way more confident than they really are.

So what if Trump was a perv that used his wealth & status to gain sexual favors as long as he didn't use drugs on women or force himself on others.

I do think it would be a rather amusing low if HRC offered Trump a pack of viagra at the right time in the next debate.

 

[AudriTwo]

So what if Trump was a perv that used his wealth & status to gain sexual favors as long as he didn't use drugs on women or force himself on others.

Because it comes across he doesn't really have a respect towards women. That's what... Even if it was fucking "talk."

 

[Bocefish]

Because it comes across he doesn't really have a respect towards women. That's what... Even if it was fucking "talk."

Respect is earned in every echelon of life.

Trump may have been, or still is a misogynistic pig... have a look at how today's media, commercials, movies and so-called reality shows portray women mostly as sexual objects.

Have you seen recent viagra commercials about how she always overpacks her suitcase, but all that matters is if he gets an erection?

It's evidently clear HRC doesn't respect anybody that won't further her political career.

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[justjoinedtopost]

Even if it was fucking "talk."

The Howard Stern bit about the dressing rooms, and hearing some of the contestants confirm it over the last few hours raises this to a whole new level.

I hope those tiny hands are big enough to cover his balls.

 

[EspiKvlt]

Trump may have been, or still is a misogynistic pig... but have a look at how today's media, commercials, movies and so-called reality shows portray women mostly as sexual objects.

Have you seen recent viagra commercials about how she always overpacks her suitcase, but all that matters is if he gets an erection?

Those are two different things. Are we talking about a a presidential candidate here, or are we talking about media (which I think most people know is misogynistic)?

 

[Carmita Bonita]

Using your status and wealth to 'get away' with assaulting people doesn't make it any better than someone who is more obviously (using drugs etc) predatory. He has quite a history of being violating to women (and underaged girls mind you). This isn't about plain being a highly sexed male using "bad" words (although that seems to be what more people are focused on) or even "locker room talk" I could care less if he says the word pussy or talks about attempting to fuck a married women --it's the "I don't even wait I just do it" shit.

Sex selling products vs a presidential candidate caught saying non consensual sex stuff= no connection

 

[Bocefish]

Are we talking about a presidential candidate here, or are we talking about media (which I think most people know is misogynistic)?

Good question.

 

[Gen]

Some more totally appropriate and not at all alarming comments from Trump, this time about ten year old girls: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-un...-old-i-am-going-to-be-dating-her-in-10-years/

In the clip, Trump asks one of the girls if she’s “going up the escalator.” When the girl replies, “yeah,” Trump turns to the camera and says: “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”

The video's from 1992, though, so he was just a young dude running his mouth at age 46.

I get that it's a "joke" but what a weird and icky running joke that he seems to have with himself. Consistently joking about dating underage girls (including your daughter! haha! such funny!) is really fucking odd.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Trump is the only one who can close the loopholes in sexual harassment laws. He knows them better than anybody.

 

[EspiKvlt]

I have been making so many "I know (insert thing here) more than anybody!" jokes. Best meme to come out of Election 2k16.

 

[Carmita Bonita]

Also wanted to say does anyone make this connection to trump:

He presents himself to be the anti-PC type. But I feel like if any liberals have done similar things as he has (I.e freaking out and wanting to sue the onion over a satire article) people would label that person a whiny, pc SJW but when trump does it= He's seen as strong. He's against freedom of the press and it would be really shitty to have someone be authoritarian about that who is president whining about /restricting other people's opinions being shared because he doesn't like them.

 

[AudriTwo]

Respect is earned in every echelon of life.

Trump may have been, or still is a misogynistic pig... have a look at how today's media, commercials, movies and so-called reality shows portray women mostly as sexual objects.

Have you seen recent viagra commercials about how she always overpacks her suitcase, but all that matters is if he gets an erection?

It's evidently clear HRC doesn't respect anybody that won't further her political career.

.02

So it's the media's fault you are voting for a misogynistic pig. Totes justified. lol.
Trump also doesn't respect anybody to further his ego.

 

[AudriTwo]

He's against freedom of the press and it would be really shitty to have someone be authoritarian about that who is president whining about /restricting other people's opinions being shared because he doesn't like them.

THISSSSSSSSSSS

 

[Camgirl]

Some of the comments in this thread make me feel like I have been time warped to 1960/70 something. Back when women couldn't refuse sex from their husband (I mean they could, but if they were raped there were no laws against this) report sexual harassment in the workplace, or apply for credit....

So: All men are the same - some just have better control??? Men who are respectful to a woman to her face are all secretly rapey on the inside??? WTF is this shit? What a terrible insult to a majority of men who actually aren't fucking assholes.

People are focusing on the word "pussy" here. What they aren't focusing on are patterns of "words" AND behavior that may be common place for some (narcissistic assholes) but probably not exactly a great trait for those running our country. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I THINK HILLARY IS. I am not sure why when people point out what a shit bag Trump is we hear about what a shit bag HRC or her husband is. Yeah? That doesn't change that he is still a SHIT BAG.

My [conservative] boyfriend likes to make jokes when my friends and I are being bossy or annoying - "If Donald Trump becomes President all you broads will be back where you belong - barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen!!" Because yeah, Trump (and this election) is really a joke.

 

[Camgirl]

No actually I dint always prefer them in prince mode sometime it annoy me too cause I know is bullshit the hallmark. But good to know trump is a strong male we need strong male in White House is important job we don't need a guy who kiss everyone ass and constantly say bullshit just to be polilitically correct.

Strong men are men who don't feel the need to degrade women whether in public or private. What you are describing are actually weak/insecure men who feel that boasting about all the pussy they get somehow makes them REAL men.

The way Trump talks about women can also be found in the "annoying things members say" thread.

 

[Behemoth]

It's very hard to get a clear picture and understanding of our rights as citizens without understanding each part and how those parts impact each other and work together to build a complete picture and system. Because the wording is incomplete and pretty vague on many aspects (second amendment for example) it actually REQUIRES understanding of the rest to make sense of it and learn to work it into society at every turn.

It also takes an ability to not be selfish, which as we all know humans have a hard time with haha.

And this is why I find it impossible to work with you, though. There is no future there.

The wording isn't incomplete, its not vague. The costitutiom was very clear, really. Folks who argue otherwise tend to be trying to use it to justify blatanty unconstitutional acts. Of course, the history has been of government overreach and erosion of individual rights, going all the way back to Washington.

There are zero candidate who are good because the system precludes them from existing.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

So. These Republicans, they explained to me we needed a war on terror. Told me over and over they were the only ones who were fit to conduct that war. Told me they were experts on what needed to be done in the M.E.

And they can't even handle a rogue reality TV star armed with a big mouth?

"We’re going to turn him into Bill Cosby."
Dig a pit. Make it a deep one.
Roll a stone. Biggest one you can find.

 

[Bocefish]

So. These Republicans, they explained to me we needed a war on terror. Told me over and over they were the only ones who were fit to conduct that war. Told me they were experts on what needed to be done in the M.E.

And they can't even handle a rogue reality TV star armed with a big mouth?

"We’re going to turn him into Bill Cosby."
Dig a pit. Make it a deep one.
Roll a stone. Biggest one you can find.

Don't make me go all Oprah on your ass

 

[SoTxBob]

While there isn't an excuse for his so called locker room behavior toward women I find it a bit skewed and incredibly naive that all of this easily documented criminal history of Hillarys is of little concern. If you want to bitch about his taxes, then please look at the taxes of every other wealthy person and understand how they[or the accountants] use the tax code to their benefit as the law has provided. Neither is a good candidate. Seems to me that we are now left with the picture of a globalist/corporatist or a nationalist. AKA; a new driver or the same washington insider type that has put us in this mess.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Something I've thought is an interesting thought for the "lesser of two evils" voters out there (most of us? haha) is that a vote for Hillary is 99.9% certain to remove Trump from anywhere near the white house or political influence at this point.

However, Hillary is so deeply ingrained in the fabric of our political system that a vote for Trump is not going to be doing much of anything other than leaving her in just as much power and influence as she's always had. President is not supreme overlord, even if he seems to think so... she's not going anywhere, she'll just be slightly less powerful than him... so they'll both be in power.

Oh god... but yeah

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I find it a little unsettling with everything that's going on people are still talking about what Trump said 11 years ago. Unfortunately, that just shows how media-driven today's society is. The guy was 59 years old and trying to portray what a playboy he still was to a young Billy Bush. Methinks most of us learned at a fairly young age that people who bragged the most about sexual conquests were making up stories in order to build themselves up to look way more confident than they really are.

So what if Trump was a perv that used his wealth & status to gain sexual favors as long as he didn't use drugs on women or force himself on others.

I do think it would be a rather amusing low if HRC offered Trump a pack of viagra at the right time in the next debate.

I have argued on this forum on the overuse of the term rape culture. But what Trump said is the textbook definition of rape culture. Even if you use the most generous reading of his , that he was grabbing pussy (.e.g. having sex) because was a celebrity that is saying "I as a man I'm entitled to sex" and that is just wrong. I think the more likely interpretation is that Trump kissed women against their will and then grabbed their pussies, which is the crime of sexual assault.
I don't buy for a minute the Trump was just bragging. The man bullshits about a lot of stuff but based on the number of beautiful girls and wives I've seen him with, there is no reason for anybody to doubt his claim that he "gets a lot of pussy". The alpha male routine does work on a lot of women. But only sexual predators think it's ok not to stop when the woman say no and forcefully removes your hands from her body, which is how one of his victims describe sitting next to Trump in an airplane.
Even 30 odd years ago, when I was a frat, I don't think I would have been comfortable hearing what Trump said. I remember the #1 womanizer in my frat, was a good looking guy, who's mom ran a high-class brothel, and he learned a lot from the girls. We took notes when described his seduction methods, which included a lot of deception but never force.
Boce, you've been on this forum longer than I have, you should know better. This is not a close call. Unless all these women are lying, Trump should be looking at jail time.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

While there isn't an excuse for his so called locker room behavior toward women I find it a bit skewed and incredibly naive that all of this easily documented criminal history of Hillarys is of little concern. If you want to bitch about his taxes, then please look at the taxes of every other wealthy person and understand how they[or the accountants] use the tax code to their benefit as the law has provided. Neither is a good candidate. Seems to me that we are now left with the picture of a globalist/corporatist or a nationalist. AKA; a new driver or the same washington insider type that has put us in this mess.

First of all, two good reasons not to vote for Hillary

• Bill is going to be back in the White House. Doing what? In what capacity? I was not a big fan of Hillary working on healthcare policy while Bill served.
• At least one of the things in this video should have been a political career ender for the both of them.

The video is a piece of garbage though. It is skewed, and only designed to leave naive minds with a general feeling of "ick" when they think of Hillary. Call me idealistic, but I wish the masses could be educated instead of manipulated.

On the tax issue, bitching about Trump not paying is moot. He has as much as admitted he hasn't had to pay, even claims it as a virtue. The issue is, what the hell else is he hiding?
Trump is a globalist/corporatist. His nationalism is limited to when he is spewing lies to hysterical mobs. The "new driver" is staggering towards the car, drunk on his own power and ego.

 

[Bocefish]

HRC is not a leader, she's a corrupt, lying, life long politician that thinks it's her turn to be POTUS.

WTF has she been in charge of that didn't end in disaster or scandal?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

WTF has she been in charge of that didn't end in disaster or scandal?

Idk. Musta done something good.

 

[Mila_]

I have argued on this forum on the overuse of the term rape culture. But what Trump said is the textbook definition of rape culture. Even if you use the most generous reading of his , that he was grabbing pussy (.e.g. having sex) because was a celebrity that is saying "I as a man I'm entitled to sex" and that is just wrong. I think the more likely interpretation is that Trump kissed women against their will and then grabbed their pussies, which is the crime of sexual assault.
I don't buy for a minute the Trump was just bragging. The man bullshits about a lot of stuff but based on the number of beautiful girls and wives I've seen him with, there is no reason for anybody to doubt his claim that he "gets a lot of pussy". The alpha male routine does work on a lot of women. But only sexual predators think it's ok not to stop when the woman say no and forcefully removes your hands from her body, which is how one of his victims describe sitting next to Trump in an airplane.
Even 30 odd years ago, when I was a frat, I don't think I would have been comfortable hearing what Trump said. I remember the #1 womanizer in my frat, was a good looking guy, who's mom ran a high-class brothel, and he learned a lot from the girls. We took notes when described his seduction methods, which included a lot of deception but never force.
Boce, you've been on this forum longer than I have, you should know better. This is not a close call. Unless all these women are lying, Trump should be looking at jail time.

So let me get this straight: any man who kisses a woman and grabs her pussy is attacking her? I didnt think we had so many radfems as patrons in the sex industry.

For all the pearl clutching and faux outrage people in this thread are doing they know that there is nothing that dries a pussy faster than a guy asking for permission to kiss you. It is anti climatic, unsexy, and plain boring. Every woman whether she is willing to admit it or not, wants the guy who has enough bravado to take her and kiss her, grab her and pin her down. If you like the guy you let him do it and enjoy it quite a bit, and if you dont like the guy you simply do the cobra when he tries to kiss you, most guys will back off when you reject them, and the rapists and creeps like President Clinton simply ignore the cobra and escalate the sexual advance even if the girl is fighting it. That is why they are labeled attacks instead of advances.

Trump was saying women throw themselves at him because he is famous. It could be truth or false, but I am inclined to believe it is true because he is a recognizable billionare and girls like men with high social value. Either way you can accuse the man of being immature, you can accuse him of being distasteful, but saying he was talking about abusing women is just stretching the truth.

The people defending Hillary Clinton with one breath and accusing Trump of abusing women with the other are the classic example of the left wing cynic. They pretend to care about shit but are only using them as a political tool. Like the bleeding heart proggressives who cry rivers over palestinian and syrian boys being killed and make sure to do it publicly, but dont ever mention the girl who was run over in Nice by the muslim truck hijacker, or the israeli boys being kidnapped and murdered by palestinian terrorists. To them only some kids matter, the others do not because they use kids as a political tool. Same with women. Hillary voters talking about Trumps problematic attitude towards women dont give two fucks about women, it is all a farce.

To the person who claimed that all guys ever talk about is movies and videogames... I get you are trying to score some points with the ladies here, but girls actually lose all respect for white knights who slobber over them. No self procclaimed feminist guy ever gave a woman pussy tickles.

 

[Bocefish]

Idk. Musta done something good.

When you can put on some big boy pants and reply with something more specific than "I don't know musta done something good" we are waiting.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Every woman whether she is willing to admit it or not, wants the guy who has enough bravado to take her and kiss her, grab her and pin her down.

Every woman?

When you can put on some big boy pants and reply with something more specific than "I don't know musta done something good" we are waiting.

You get out what you put in.

 

[Mila_]

Jill Stein just gave this interview in support of Trump: