Hook, Line but no Back Tattoo

[MarieElise]

. Once you start getting suspicious like this, whether she's lying or not is functionally irrelevant - you're going to drive yourself and her crazy doubting everything she says and trying to sniff out a scam. Just move on.

Lol don’t help him . He deserves it. He’s completely obnoxious. I don’t have any sympathy for people like this that get love conned. True nice people sure, but guys going around talking like this … sorry, not sorry.

 

[Geezer]

Hi everyone. I don't mean to intrude, but I registered because I'd like to ask the OP something.
I am a fairly new user of a camsite myself, and also discovered this forum and specifically threads like this. There is something puzzling about this to me, and I'm hoping OP can answer.

Why do you spend so much time (and presumably) money in getting to know a cammodel as a person? I mean that's actual work you are putting in there. You do that in a relationship because there are a lot of benefits you get in return, but what is the benefit here?
The moment you log in to a camsite it is already established what both parties want. You want the model to help you fap, and she will do that for you if you give her tips. Fairly simple and no need to spend hours on endless chitchat (to me that is probably the best benefit of the whole arrangement).

If I had to spend hours online just listening to someone talk about their life, then I would have to be the party that got paid for it.

 

[cbhours]

The moment you log in to a camsite it is already established what both parties want. You want the model to help you fap, and she will do that for you if you give her tips. Fairly simple and no need to spend hours on endless chitchat (to me that is probably the best benefit of the whole arrangement).

If I had to spend hours online just listening to someone talk about their life, then I would have to be the party that got paid for it.

 

[CallMeMaria]

If I had to spend hours online just listening to someone talk about their life, then I would have to be the party that got paid for it.

Welcome to the glamorous life of a cam model!

 

[Vixxen81]

I'd wager 75% of the people haven't a clue about what they are actually looking for on a cam site until they find it. In my experience, with the way I run my shows, I mostly deal in the GFLE (girlfriend lite experience), so chat is a huge part of the day for me.

 

[Ozzie_]

Why do you spend so much time (and presumably) money in getting to know a cammodel as a person? I mean that's actual work you are putting in there. You do that in a relationship because there are a lot of benefits you get in return, but what is the benefit here?
The moment you log in to a camsite it is already established what both parties want. You want the model to help you fap, and she will do that for you if you give her tips. Fairly simple and no need to spend hours on endless chitchat (to me that is probably the best benefit of the whole arrangement).

If I had to spend hours online just listening to someone talk about their life, then I would have to be the party that got paid for it.

Everyone has different wants and needs regarding camsites. Personally, if all I wanted was a wank, there are plenty of free porn sites out there .

*For me*, part of treating models like human beings, and not sex robots, is genuine interested and interesting chat.

 

[MarieElise]

Maybe we should be getting paid to listen to random strangers problems on forums...
Several people claim they don't want to do that on camsites, yet here they are... interesting lol

 

[Vixxen81]

Maybe we should be getting paid to listen to random strangers problems on forums...
Several people claim they don't want to do that on camsites, yet here they are... interesting lol

But this is our free time so it should be four times the rate.

 

[MarieElise]

But this is our free time so it should be four times the rate.

Lol, I meant more the members who comment that they don't want to hear about cam models problems, but over here they seem to be just fine with hearing about other guys problems (who they've never met). So I find it a tad strange No biggie though, I just wanted to observe on that. It's not everyone, quite a few don't seem to have a problem with it either place/setting, which is nice. Point for thought I guess.

 

[Vixxen81]

Lol, I meant more the members who comment that they don't want to hear about cam models problems, but over here they seem to be just fine with hearing about other guys problems (who they've never met). So I find it a tad strange No biggie though, I just wanted to observe on that. It's not everyone, quite a few don't seem to have a problem with it either place/setting, which is nice. Point for thought I guess.

Ohhhhh shit lady I totally misread that. You're absolutely RIGHT!!

 

[ArcticKitty]

Maybe we should be getting paid to listen to random strangers problems on forums...
Several people claim they don't want to do that on camsites, yet here they are... interesting lol

Shit, that's not a bad idea, @MarieElise ! I know you weren't serious but still. It's stereotypical for bartenders to listen to someone's troubles when it's slow and obviously it's a thing when streaming and it's slow sometimes. Why not legit be paid for it?

 

[ArcticKitty]

You make the case for freeloading more and more attractive if those few that do tip are criticized because it's not enough.

Lilly was quite clear about saying that the tip levels you mentioned earlier are low for the time and efforts of this model whom you are drawn to. There's no case here for freeloading.

 

[Yabbadabba22]

Why do you spend so much time (and presumably) money in getting to know a cammodel as a person? I mean that's actual work you are putting in there. You do that in a relationship because there are a lot of benefits you get in return, but what is the benefit here?

The primary purpose of these sites is transactional virtual sexual activity, hopefully both performer does well and punters get what their after.

I jumped around initially going from performer to performer to see if they did it for me. One performer who looks to have gone, really dragged me out of my shell, wanting increasingly explicit pics of me and it was my first experience of this, rather thrilling actually, she was a wild women that one, mature, curvey and a tigress.

But I found the women - who the post is about, relatively quiet room, long chats via PM and now what's app also. There was the transactional part which was/still is hotter than hell however some level of familiarity - relationship does form whenever there is regular interaction over a period of time, virtually or otherwise.

Whats the benefit? Maybe we're comfortable in each others virtual company and she feels there's someone in her corner, she does vent to me, I do some spruiking for her in public chat, she's helping me with my spanish! She doesn't push or demand - never has which endears her to me even more. It's a nice way to finish my day. My Wilma sleeps in another cave.

I get the feeling she is nearing the end of doing this. Would she pull the pin and just disappear without a word ? Maybe. I'd leave the door open via what's app, the sex aspect would be no longer, thats not a deal breaker though, but she could change numbers and all contact would be lost. Or casual contact could continue because 2 people made a connection they valued. Fantasy land maybe but I'll suspend being a cynic in this instance. If I'm proved a fool, I don't think i'll regret this chapter in my life

 

[Yabbadabba22]

Lilly was quite clear about saying that the tip levels you mentioned earlier are low for the time and efforts of this model whom you are drawn to. There's no case here for freeloading.

No one has bothered to ask the time/hours, frequency to determine if my level of tipping is low or otherwise? And who specifies what adequate is anyway? I really can't offer much as to what occurs in the other 7000 -10000 rooms available 24/7 - I'm one room - 3 times a week, an hour or so per session

There a lot left to chance by the structure of CB not even enforcing registration let alone buying tokens and tipping. There's a lot of competition as well which combined makes it a tough gig for the performers. I'm sure you know steady, hourly paid work, 9-5 grind has pros/cons but if you elect to do camwork, I don't doubt your eyes are wide open to the roller coaster of income it appears to be. I missed out on a $130,000 deal last week, but saddle up again regardless.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Lol don’t help him . He deserves it. He’s completely obnoxious. I don’t have any sympathy for people like this that get love conned. True nice people sure, but guys going around talking like this … sorry, not sorry.

Yeah, the "pushy performers" and the late 30s comments were really endearing, eh?


OP:

1. re "pushy performers", you're on an adult webcam site and it's called adult entertainment! Lots of people want to just get down to it, on either side side of the screen. You're not one of them, ok then.

2. FYI, you can go to MFC at any time zone and see several women in their 30s and 40s right on the first screen w/o even looking for them. Clearly they are doing it for someone - a lot of someones, actually.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Man, I'm not arguing with you, I'm calling you on your ragging on Lilly and accusing her of twisting your words, which is what is what you yourself are doing with her.

 

[MarieElise]

Yeah, the "pushy performers" and the late 30s comments were really endearing, eh?


OP:

1. re "pushy performers", you're on an adult webcam site and it's called adult entertainment! Lots of people want to just get down to it, on either side side of the screen. You're not one of them, ok then.

2. FYI, you can go to MFC at any time zone and see several women in their 30s and 40s right on the first screen w/o even looking for them. Clearly they are doing it for someone - a lot of someones, actually.

Not to mention the several charming times he threatened Lilly with stopping paying altogether. Not that it would really make a difference with a guy who spends so little, yet clearly feels entitled to take so much. It's more the way he's trying to wield what he thinks is his own power, in a situation where he's being rightly called out. Pretty gross, and totally tone-deaf. Didn't have an issue w him before he did that.

ETA; I do love all these random comments that are completely so 180 degrees off base about the camming industry though. I've definitely been laughing my ass off the way he seems so sure of himself spouting such utter crap. Hey....if he says it, it must be true

 

[Yabbadabba22]

Yeah, the "pushy performers" and the late 30s comments were really endearing, eh?

Stating a fact has now become obnoxious?
That IS the age bracket she is in - my preference is just that - someone with some life under their belt. I'm aboard the MILFland express.
In what possible way can stating fact become derogatory? Meh

Pushy performers - within seconds of landing in a room, there is a PM saying take me private and I'll get your rocks off. Double Meh

 

[Marceline]

In what possible way can stating fact become derogatory?

I suppose this performer, being later 30s, more rounded figure doesn't do it for others

“Other people don’t find her attractive because of her age and body size, but I do, so it’s all good that she’s only getting $10 a month from me, because no one else is really tipping”.

Whether it was your intention or not, that’s how your comments came off.

ETA: How do you think she would feel if she read that? My guess is she, like most women or people in general, wouldn’t be too happy to see someone say that about her.

 

[Vixxen81]

No one has bothered to ask the time/hours, frequency to determine if my level of tipping is low or otherwise? And who specifies what adequate is anyway? I really can't offer much as to what occurs in the other 7000 -10000 rooms available 24/7 - I'm one room - 3 times a week, an hour or so per session

There a lot left to chance by the structure of CB not even enforcing registration let alone buying tokens and tipping. There's a lot of competition as well which combined makes it a tough gig for the performers. I'm sure you know steady, hourly paid work, 9-5 grind has pros/cons but if you elect to do camwork, I don't doubt your eyes are wide open to the roller coaster of income it appears to be. I missed out on a $130,000 deal last week, but saddle up again regardless.

The models specify what is adequate you *carrier lost*

 

[Vixxen81]

No one has bothered to ask the time/hours, frequency to determine if my level of tipping is low or otherwise? And who specifies what adequate is anyway? I really can't offer much as to what occurs in the other 7000 -10000 rooms available 24/7 - I'm one room - 3 times a week, an hour or so per session

There a lot left to chance by the structure of CB not even enforcing registration let alone buying tokens and tipping. There's a lot of competition as well which combined makes it a tough gig for the performers. I'm sure you know steady, hourly paid work, 9-5 grind has pros/cons but if you elect to do camwork, I don't doubt your eyes are wide open to the roller coaster of income it appears to be. I missed out on a $130,000 deal last week, but saddle up again regardless.

What the absolute flying fuck are you talking about? Chaturbate enforces shit way more hardcore than a lot of sites. I have been on CB for 10 years and weathered every change. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, not even an iota.

 

[Yabbadabba22]

Not to mention the several charming times he threatened Lily with stopping paying altogether. Not that it would really make a difference with a guy who spends so little, yet takes so much. It's more the way he's trying to wield what he thinks is his own power, in a situation where he's being called out. Pretty gross, and totally tone deaf.

90% of users are freeloaders yet you ridicule and demean someone who does tip and was stupid enough to be honest with their tipping in this place- while at the same time, really not knowing what is "normal" Please enlighten me- What does a regular tip you for being in your room? Are tips expected every 5, 15 mins, 30 mins

"Threatened several times" thats so inaccurate it's laughable.

"Wielding Power" thats Monty Python level silliness

“Other people don’t find her attractive because of her age and body size, but I do, so it’s all good that she’s only getting $10 a month from me, because no one else is really tipping”.

Once again, I'm just at a loss why there wouldn't be more in her room, is it the early shift /timing, do the patrons at that time want other types of women? - she has 7000 followers and does a lot in public view with good cameras, lighting, outfits and set. zero criticism of her- I continue to state she is guapa, bonita and damm magnificent.

What is a performers expectation of tipping levels? I would think the general answer is "It depends" but narrow it down for a slow learner.

 

[Yabbadabba22]

What the absolute flying fuck are you talking about? Chaturbate enforces shit way more hardcore than a lot of sites.

Users can browse anonymously without registration
Users can register but not required to purchase tokens
Users with tokens are not required to tip while staying in a room
That's a problem for you performers is it not?

Entiendes?

 

[Vixxen81]

Users can browse anonymously without registration
Users can register but not required to purchase tokens
Users with tokens are not required to tip while staying in a room
That's a problem for you performers is it not?

Entiendes?

You're exhausting and I refuse to continue this conversation.

 

[MarieElise]

You're exhausting and I refuse to continue this conversation.

Here's a can for you also my friend
(Internet Pest Repellant lol - perfect for those chill Saturday's online when some rando won't shut up)

 

[Vixxen81]

 

[Marceline]

What is a performers expectation of tipping levels? I would think the general answer is "It depends" but narrow it down for a slow learner.

Obviously this will differ from model to model, and yes, it does depend.

However, by your own admission, you spend about three hours per week in her room. Not even including offsite contact, which I’m going to guess is probably more than three hours a week, that’s roughly twelve hours of entertainment you’re getting from her a month. So she’s making about 83 cents an hour from you. A lot less than that if you consider offsite contact. It wouldn’t be so bad if you were just hanging and chilling, but going off of your posts from here, you seem like you would be an emotionally needy and exhausting member to deal with.

And for reference, I charge more than what you pay her a month for a minute of custom content.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Lol, I meant more the members who comment that they don't want to hear about cam models problems, but over here they seem to be just fine with hearing about other guys problems (who they've never met). So I find it a tad strange No biggie though, I just wanted to observe on that. It's not everyone, quite a few don't seem to have a problem with it either place/setting, which is nice. Point for thought I guess.

200 mfc tks says that these same guys then say want to get to know their favourite model better.

 

[ArcticKitty]

The MILFland express..?

Ugh.

 

[Yabbadabba22]

So she’s making about 83 cents an hour from you

Cost to me and what she ends up with are separate matters. ( same deal for all performers though) But If I've spent $100 per month, it's not 83 cents an hour to her. She had 200 tokens after 4 hours on CB yesterday - I was there for 2 hours /100 tokens - It was all chat, no "business", she was frustrada and upset

But at least I know tip shaming is a thing. My frame of reference was one room during the early morning Colombian time, mid morning Europe. I'd never seen a big tipper there until last Saturday who tipped more than my total in a session. Which came as quite the surprise

Offsite whatsapp contact is a pic or short message - 2 times a week. General stuff- beach pics, places I visit. Always get a short response. She does use whatsapp while I'm in her room as she thinks her PM chat is watched and she vents on whatsapp to me.