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Do you sometimes get exceptions to that?

I get more guys wanting to hook up than trying to establish an emotional connection. It's extremely rare with SM. More like a revolving door of anons.

Predictable replies.

Must we start with this cliche? Seriously every time a member who's been banned from tons of rooms...they say this. I mean it makes the person saying it look that way whether they're right or not.

But the excuse that it's all "fantasy" and "not real" doesn't fly. If you want that, you sell videos. Camming is interactive. Meaning real people talking to each other in real time.

I believe both you and AudriTwo are right here. Thing is it depends on the model and how she runs things. A model who works short hours will likely be more fantasy than a model who works for a TON of hours. I work 5 hours a day 5 days out of the week (that's only live cam, not recording and such). I'm not gonna bother to fake much if anything. I'm too old and tired for that noise.

It's never going to be the same as a TV show, and trashing members for not seeing it that way is BS.

Agreed. I mean a member shouldn't get head over heels. They should know to try and think logically, but let's face it; we're all human. *shrug

BS that gives models an excuse to lie to, manipulate and rip off members.

Plenty of occupations have folks ripping people off. Plenty of models don't rip off. There's no reason to claim everyone needs to be demonized. Like you said, members and any customer everywhere should simply remember the phrase buyer beware. The internet mainly is for fantasy anyway. People who aren't webcam models constantly only put out their more confident, nicer acting, better looking self online. Let's face it, trolls aren't likely gonna even bother to act like they do online without it being horribly detrimental to their lives anyway. Anonymity feels powerful and all that.
 
I don't care what you all say, when TitsMcJugs69 told me she loved me after I tipped her 200 tokens and, I quote, "came buckets" when I told her about my Ghostbusters boxer shorts, I know she was for real.
Yeah, TitsMcJugs is the exception to the rule. She is always genuine. And despite my being a 100% straight man, those Ghostbuster boxers would be hard for anyone to resist. I think I felt it move a little just from imagining those hot shorts..
 
I run most of my date raffle during conventions. It's a safe environment for me to do so and I get more ppl buying tickets because they plan to attend anyway. They can come see me at the booth and if they win they can take me to dinner, a show .. etc.

It happens a lot...
Right, but I believe that this is a fan meet up, and not a Tinder/Jdate expectation. Connection with fans, is a marketing activity, and a positive one as well. I hope I explained myself finally :)
 
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There may be some variation depending on the site, but cam girls going to conventions and meeting members, holding date raffles, and dating guys they met through the site is very common. There are plenty of posts on this forum that attest to it.
It's not "very common," it's super rare. Yes there are plenty examples of cam performers dating cam site users, BUT in comparison to the overall number of cam performers? Miniscule. If it were common then we wouldn't have so many threads exactly like this one, where nearly every single performer says, "No, we don't actually want to date or meet site users." But you guys only hear what you want to. :giggle:
Whoa whoa whoa, let's not be too hasty. That shit happens.

Especially on MFC...

What if I told you that MFC is the biggest ~love scammer~ of all? :nerd: For real though, you (general you, not specific JJTP you) have to realize that they put that there because they know guys will spend more money when they think they have a shot at meeting, fucking, or dating one of the chicks. It's no different than the cam performers who lead users on.
 
Right, but I believe that this is a fan meet up, and not a Tinder/Jdate expectation. Connection with fans, is a marketing activity, and a positive one as well. I hope I explained myself finally :)
Yesss sorry my confusion was because you said no members go for a date raffle...

Totally agreed. ❤️
 
What you're describing isn't a fantasy. Like I said, I think it's widespread that cam girls feel like they have some kind of license to mislead and manipulate members because it's "not real". There are real people on both sides. There may be fantasy involved in some part of what goes on, but the two people talking to each other are not imaginary.

There may be some variation depending on the site, but cam girls going to conventions and meeting members, holding date raffles, and dating guys they met through the site is very common. There are plenty of posts on this forum that attest to it.

It is important for all involved to make a distinction between what's "part of the job" and what isn't. That shouldn't be complicated, because if you tip for it, it's part of the job. Cam girls pretending they're some kind of fictional character when they're on cam, and everything they say can or should be fake, is very messed up.

I am slightly confused here. You seem very offended at the fantasy aspect, yet you completely rejected Audri's very real point about fantasy. What she said was the fantasy, even if you don't want to acknowledge it. To dismiss her valid point is confusing to me.

So I can't help but wonder: what truth are you looking for?

The truth that not all camgirls are turned on by 100% of their members 100% of the time? That some of your dicks are so gross and ugly and you make weird faces and please stop licking the cam and pretending it's my clit because that's weird as fuck and I'm somehow supposed to be aroused by that? Do you want camgirls to be honest about how crushing and awful the bad days are, when the tips aren't coming in and you are filled with fear that your regulars have forgotten you and you feel like a failure? Do you want the truth that camgirls log in to try to be entertaining, even when they have migraines or killer cramps or they are just absolutely fucking exhausted from camming for the seventh day in a row without a break. That every spare moment of the day is spent camming or doing camming related work - off-time is a rare thing, and even then, you can't actually relax enough to enjoy it? Or how if you admit to your regulars that you have a lover, some of the ones that you care about will act as if you have personally wounded them, offended and enraged and they lash out with cruel words and they stop tipping completely? Do you want to know about the ones who are mothers just trying to take care of their kids or the ones who battle severe mental illness or the ones who have to pretend they aren't coping with chronic illness that make every shift hard to battle through?

The truth isn't sexy. You can be offended at the fantasy all night long, but the truth is... 99.99% of actual paying members don't want reality. They enjoy the fantasy. If every camgirl became an honest an accurate version of themselves... The tips would dry right the hell up. No members would be having fun. And honestly? It isn't fun to always be truthful. Sometimes, it feels really nice to live in a fantasy world for a little while, where everything is fun and positive and happy and sexy. Sometimes, just pretending to feel that way can make it true for a while. Many members come to camrooms in order to escape reality for a little while, for some smiles and laughter and sexy moments - which means all of that unfun truth stuff would burst everyone's bubble.

I'm not trying to paint the picture that every camgirl is faking their happiness or that they don't have genuine fun on cam or that they don't genuinely care about their regulars. I'm just saying that there are plenty of bad days to go with the good days, and it's our job to pretend otherwise. For every trait you adore about a camgirl, there's probably a not-so-fun trait that wouldn't really get the boners going. So we don't share them. We bring the fantasy of a good and happy and sexy corner of the world for others to enjoy, and not let the negative aspects of our days or selves affect the fun of others.

I am curious about what truth you want? Do you want their real name? Their address? Their family history? What exactly do you feel you aren't getting from camgirls? Which fantasy aspect is so offensive to you? In this line of work, being too honest is effing dangerous, both in regards to physical safety and emotional wellbeing. I've seen some models genuinely give themselves, their honest selves to their members... And all too often, they burn out. It's exhausting to give and give and give and give, 24/7. To give their time and energy and attention, as well as true intimacy and vulnerability. And then they have nothing left to give, and have to leave the industry. Those who can give their true selves all of the time are pretty rare, in my experience. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Honestly... I think it's entitled as hell to expect an entertainer to give you all their true self. You already get the bodies of the cam-girls. You get the conversations, the DMs, the attention, their time. You get their videos and photosets and twitter thoughts and true moments of laughter and fun. You get their orgasms and you get a real live STUNNING woman who will go into private and make YOUR wild fantasies come true, and watch you stroke and orgasm. Why do you feel as if you deserve their innermost thoughts and feelings too? Why aren't they allowed to keep anything to themselves? You aren't paying for honesty. You are paying to be entertained, you are paying to get attention from a beautiful girl, and sometimes, you are paying to cum. That's what your tokens get, and no member is entitled to any more.

If dudes want a true and honest experience, balanced with the fun moments and the awful moments, filled with complete emotional intimacy as well as the physical connection... That's what girlfriends are for, not camgirls. Expecting a camgirl to be the emotional girlfriend to every single customer who comes into their room, regular or not... Good lord, I'm exhausted just thinking about it.

(I apologize ahead of time for any typos! I'm just now drinking my morning coffee, so I'm sure more than a few slipped through!)
 
I am slightly confused here. You seem very offended at the fantasy aspect, yet you completely rejected Audri's very real point about fantasy. What she said was the fantasy, even if you don't want to acknowledge it. To dismiss her valid point is confusing to me.

So I can't help but wonder: what truth are you looking for?

The truth that not all camgirls are turned on by 100% of their members 100% of the time? That some of your dicks are so gross and ugly and you make weird faces and please stop licking the cam and pretending it's my clit because that's weird as fuck and I'm somehow supposed to be aroused by that? Do you want camgirls to be honest about how crushing and awful the bad days are, when the tips aren't coming in and you are filled with fear that your regulars have forgotten you and you feel like a failure? Do you want the truth that camgirls log in to try to be entertaining, even when they have migraines or killer cramps or they are just absolutely fucking exhausted from camming for the seventh day in a row without a break. That every spare moment of the day is spent camming or doing camming related work - off-time is a rare thing, and even then, you can't actually relax enough to enjoy it? Or how if you admit to your regulars that you have a lover, some of the ones that you care about will act as if you have personally wounded them, offended and enraged and they lash out with cruel words and they stop tipping completely? Do you want to know about the ones who are mothers just trying to take care of their kids or the ones who battle severe mental illness or the ones who have to pretend they aren't coping with chronic illness that make every shift hard to battle through?

The truth isn't sexy. You can be offended at the fantasy all night long, but the truth is... 99.99% of actual paying members don't want reality. They enjoy the fantasy. If every camgirl became an honest an accurate version of themselves... The tips would dry right the hell up. No members would be having fun. And honestly? It isn't fun to always be truthful. Sometimes, it feels really nice to live in a fantasy world for a little while, where everything is fun and positive and happy and sexy. Sometimes, just pretending to feel that way can make it true for a while. Many members come to camrooms in order to escape reality for a little while, for some smiles and laughter and sexy moments - which means all of that unfun truth stuff would burst everyone's bubble.

I'm not trying to paint the picture that every camgirl is faking their happiness or that they don't have genuine fun on cam or that they don't genuinely care about their regulars. I'm just saying that there are plenty of bad days to go with the good days, and it's our job to pretend otherwise. For every trait you adore about a camgirl, there's probably a not-so-fun trait that wouldn't really get the boners going. So we don't share them. We bring the fantasy of a good and happy and sexy corner of the world for others to enjoy, and not let the negative aspects of our days or selves affect the fun of others.

I am curious about what truth you want? Do you want their real name? Their address? Their family history? What exactly do you feel you aren't getting from camgirls? Which fantasy aspect is so offensive to you? In this line of work, being too honest is effing dangerous, both in regards to physical safety and emotional wellbeing. I've seen some models genuinely give themselves, their honest selves to their members... And all too often, they burn out. It's exhausting to give and give and give and give, 24/7. To give their time and energy and attention, as well as true intimacy and vulnerability. And then they have nothing left to give, and have to leave the industry. Those who can give their true selves all of the time are pretty rare, in my experience. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Honestly... I think it's entitled as hell to expect an entertainer to give you all their true self. You already get the bodies of the cam-girls. You get the conversations, the DMs, the attention, their time. You get their videos and photosets and twitter thoughts and true moments of laughter and fun. You get their orgasms and you get a real live STUNNING woman who will go into private and make YOUR wild fantasies come true, and watch you stroke and orgasm. Why do you feel as if you deserve their innermost thoughts and feelings too? Why aren't they allowed to keep anything to themselves? You aren't paying for honesty. You are paying to be entertained, you are paying to get attention from a beautiful girl, and sometimes, you are paying to cum. That's what your tokens get, and no member is entitled to any more.

If dudes want a true and honest experience, balanced with the fun moments and the awful moments, filled with complete emotional intimacy as well as the physical connection... That's what girlfriends are for, not camgirls. Expecting a camgirl to be the emotional girlfriend to every single customer who comes into their room, regular or not... Good lord, I'm exhausted just thinking about it.

(I apologize ahead of time for any typos! I'm just now drinking my morning coffee, so I'm sure more than a few slipped through!)
Can we get an Amen emoji response thing instead of just an agree. Some things just need more of an AMEN!!!
 
Cam girls pretending they're some kind of fictional character when they're on cam, and everything they say can or should be fake, is very messed up.

I don't see why it's messed up. Camming is a form of entertainment. Most other entertainment is performed by actors playing fictional characters. The closest forms of entertainment are probably striping, burlesque, and porn. All done by people using fictional names and persona.

If what they do or say seems real, that's because they are good. If you're convinced, they've done a good job and you are, hopefully, a satisfied customer. Like any other form of entertainment, the entertainers bring a lot of themselves into the performance, some more than others. That just adds to the realism and quality of the performance.

There is no obligation in any of this to be truthful to the clients, especially if there's a chance the clients could be stalkers.
 
I'm just coming on out here to say it is reallllly presumptuous for OP to think they have all that much influence over the average cambb that they'd get desperate and start fawning all over them. There's some serious mental masturbation going on in this thread. I know it happens, but unless OP's a super high roller, this whole thing reads really self-indulgent and fishy.

It sounds like OP enjoys having power over these girls, real or imagined, a lot more than he does being a cam consumer. Which is, quite frankly, gross.
 
Cam girls go to conventions as a part of marketing plans, either with website that they work with as brand ambassadors, or with studios.
No one within his right mind is going there for a date raffle, unless they wish to get to know the bouncers. I've been in two conventions so far, and no dating took place.

I run most of my date raffle during conventions. It's a safe environment for me to do so and I get more ppl buying tickets because they plan to attend anyway. They can come see me at the booth and if they win they can take me to dinner, a show .. etc.

It happens a lot...

And the white knight gets stomped by reality.
 
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Simple math:
Even if every cammodel was single and looking for a man, there are 100s (if not 1000s) visitors for every model out there. You would have a better chance hooking up at Ashley Madison!
 
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To clarify - it's always been the case that cam girls are seen as con artists taking advantage of gullible guys. And then some guys who are not gullible, or used to be, turn into malicious trolls who ruin your day, or worse. It doesn't have to be that way, but unfortunately that is common. But there are cam girls who are just themselves, and treat the members with the same respect they want to get.

Honesty doesn't mean giving out your SSN. A simple example: if a guy asks the cam girl's name, and she says, "I don't give out my name", she's being honest. If he asks her name and she gives him a fake name, and lets him believe it's her real name, she's being dishonest. And so on.
 
Honesty doesn't mean giving out your SSN. A simple example: if a guy asks the cam girl's name, and she says, "I don't give out my name", she's being honest. If he asks her name and she gives him a fake name, and lets him believe it's her real name, she's being dishonest. And so on.

How about guys not ask for a cam girl's name then? Asking that in and of itself is showing of a member's blurred line between fantasy and reality. Instead of getting pissy at the model for "being dishonest" how about instead getting pissy at the dude for trying to pry into her personal life which can be a potentially dangerous situation for the girl.
 
And the white knight gets stomped by reality.
He was not white knighting. We miscommunicated. He explained he was talking about a different kind of "date" experience than i thought he was referring to. Piss off.
 
I am slightly confused here. You seem very offended at the fantasy aspect, yet you completely rejected Audri's very real point about fantasy. What she said was the fantasy, even if you don't want to acknowledge it. To dismiss her valid point is confusing to me.

So I can't help but wonder: what truth are you looking for?

Maybe we're talking about two different things. I'll try to make it clear.

The truth that not all camgirls are turned on by 100% of their members 100% of the time? That some of your dicks are so gross and ugly and you make weird faces and please stop licking the cam and pretending it's my clit because that's weird as fuck and I'm somehow supposed to be aroused by that?

As I said above - if the guy tips for it, it's part of the job. Which means she's doing something she otherwise wouldn't do. That's not the same thing as a fantasy. There are sexual fantasies that get role-played, and both know that's what's going on. What I was talking about, and some of the cam girls responding confirmed, is the idea that the entire personality of the cam girl is fake, and she should feel free to lie all she wants, about everything. Maybe it makes some sense on sites that are purely about shows, and no other chatting, where more of a distance exists. I'm mainly talking about MFC and any other site like it.

Do you want camgirls to be honest about how crushing and awful the bad days are, when the tips aren't coming in and you are filled with fear that your regulars have forgotten you and you feel like a failure? Do you want the truth that camgirls log in to try to be entertaining, even when they have migraines or killer cramps or they are just absolutely fucking exhausted from camming for the seventh day in a row without a break. That every spare moment of the day is spent camming or doing camming related work - off-time is a rare thing, and even then, you can't actually relax enough to enjoy it?

They usually are honest about those things.

Or how if you admit to your regulars that you have a lover, some of the ones that you care about will act as if you have personally wounded them, offended and enraged and they lash out with cruel words and they stop tipping completely?

Tougher call. But you are potentially talking about misleading them to get their money, which is not right. Saying that's private, you won't talk about it, etc. is better than lying to keep the money coming. Then again, plenty sell videos of themselves having sex, so there are obviously some who don't care.

Do you want to know about the ones who are mothers just trying to take care of their kids or the ones who battle severe mental illness or the ones who have to pretend they aren't coping with chronic illness that make every shift hard to battle through?

I think being honest about those kind of things will get you better results than lying about it. That doesn't mean complaining about it constantly.

The truth isn't sexy. You can be offended at the fantasy all night long, but the truth is... 99.99% of actual paying members don't want reality. They enjoy the fantasy. If every camgirl became an honest an accurate version of themselves... The tips would dry right the hell up. No members would be having fun. And honestly? It isn't fun to always be truthful. Sometimes, it feels really nice to live in a fantasy world for a little while, where everything is fun and positive and happy and sexy. Sometimes, just pretending to feel that way can make it true for a while. Many members come to camrooms in order to escape reality for a little while, for some smiles and laughter and sexy moments - which means all of that unfun truth stuff would burst everyone's bubble.

That's not a fantasy. It's real. People act differently at home than they do at work. There are different levels of relationships, where you share more with your family than you do with your barber. That's not the same thing as lying to people to get their money.

I'm not trying to paint the picture that every camgirl is faking their happiness or that they don't have genuine fun on cam or that they don't genuinely care about their regulars. I'm just saying that there are plenty of bad days to go with the good days, and it's our job to pretend otherwise. For every trait you adore about a camgirl, there's probably a not-so-fun trait that wouldn't really get the boners going. So we don't share them. We bring the fantasy of a good and happy and sexy corner of the world for others to enjoy, and not let the negative aspects of our days or selves affect the fun of others.

Again - we have different definitions of the word "fantasy".

I am curious about what truth you want? Do you want their real name? Their address? Their family history? What exactly do you feel you aren't getting from camgirls? Which fantasy aspect is so offensive to you? In this line of work, being too honest is effing dangerous, both in regards to physical safety and emotional wellbeing.

No. See above.

I've seen some models genuinely give themselves, their honest selves to their members... And all too often, they burn out. It's exhausting to give and give and give and give, 24/7. To give their time and energy and attention, as well as true intimacy and vulnerability. And then they have nothing left to give, and have to leave the industry. Those who can give their true selves all of the time are pretty rare, in my experience. And there's nothing wrong with that.

They are probably the exception, but not that rare.

Honestly... I think it's entitled as hell to expect an entertainer to give you all their true self. You already get the bodies of the cam-girls. You get the conversations, the DMs, the attention, their time. You get their videos and photosets and twitter thoughts and true moments of laughter and fun. You get their orgasms and you get a real live STUNNING woman who will go into private and make YOUR wild fantasies come true, and watch you stroke and orgasm. Why do you feel as if you deserve their innermost thoughts and feelings too? Why aren't they allowed to keep anything to themselves? You aren't paying for honesty. You are paying to be entertained, you are paying to get attention from a beautiful girl, and sometimes, you are paying to cum. That's what your tokens get, and no member is entitled to any more.

If dudes want a true and honest experience, balanced with the fun moments and the awful moments, filled with complete emotional intimacy as well as the physical connection... That's what girlfriends are for, not camgirls. Expecting a camgirl to be the emotional girlfriend to every single customer who comes into their room, regular or not... Good lord, I'm exhausted just thinking about it.

(I apologize ahead of time for any typos! I'm just now drinking my morning coffee, so I'm sure more than a few slipped through!)

Again, see above. Bottom line, your definition of "fantasy" and dishonesty are much broader than mine in this context. You know when you're manipulating somebody. And if they're smart, they do too.
 
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To clarify - it's always been the case that cam girls are seen as con artists taking advantage of gullible guys. And then some guys who are not gullible, or used to be, turn into malicious trolls who ruin your day, or worse. It doesn't have to be that way, but unfortunately that is common. But there are cam girls who are just themselves, and treat the members with the same respect they want to get.

Honesty doesn't mean giving out your SSN. A simple example: if a guy asks the cam girl's name, and she says, "I don't give out my name", she's being honest. If he asks her name and she gives him a fake name, and lets him believe it's her real name, she's being dishonest. And so on.

Oh get a fucking grip. There's white lies on both sides.

I don't feel disrespected by all the members who pretend to be rich and aren't, by the ones who claim to have huge dicks and don't, by all the ones who claim to be young 6'4" with blond hair and blue eyes and big muscles, who claim to have a nice car, big house, and are EXPERT level pussy lickers when none of it is true.
 
He acted like I was wrong, and your posts confirmed everything I said.

Since Dan explained what he was saying and I agree with Dan.. and u agree with me... I'm glad we all agree!
 
To clarify - it's always been the case that cam girls are seen as con artists taking advantage of gullible guys. And then some guys who are not gullible, or used to be, turn into malicious trolls who ruin your day, or worse. It doesn't have to be that way, but unfortunately that is common. But there are cam girls who are just themselves, and treat the members with the same respect they want to get.

Honesty doesn't mean giving out your SSN. A simple example: if a guy asks the cam girl's name, and she says, "I don't give out my name", she's being honest. If he asks her name and she gives him a fake name, and lets him believe it's her real name, she's being dishonest. And so on.

Asking for a camgirl's real name is always so bizarre to me. Members are trying to reach inside of a cam model's life and drag out the parts she obviously doesn't want to share. Why? So they can feel special? That is so invasive and so strange to me. If a model wants someone to know their name, they will offer it. Does a real name make the person any different? No. It's the same girl on the screen with the same words and same entertaining personality. Yet so many men try and try to get the real name - and the idea of any camgirl giving a real name is absolutely horrifying to me. Even a real first name.

Don't do it, new camgirl bbs. Don't ever do it. No matter how much you trust that member.

Camgirls come up with fake names NOT because they are congirls but for very real safety reasons. Do you know how many times I have seen men get offended when models refuse to say their real name, and so they go crazy and actively search out said real name? I've personally seen that happen several times. Cam models come up with fake names to protect themselves from crazy people. Not to scam you. I know models who have had to come up with LAYERS of fake names because they have had stalkers who have done everything to ruin their lives. Models don't lie about names for fun. It isn't a game. It's a defense mechanism, a layer of safety. In a perfect world, men would understand and accept the answer, "I don't give out that information". But they don't. Believe me, that often creates a way more negative situation than we'd like. But then, in a perfect world, a member would understand that models are just trying to protect themselves, nothing more, nothing less, and thus, they wouldn't pry for invasive information that they don't need.

A model's safety matters way more than a dude's sense of entitlement. And if that sense of entitlement means more to a member than her safety, then something is very wrong. Most camgirls do the things that they do for real reasons of safety and success - not as a means to scam or lie to members.

You seem to have a very severe and slightly alarming resentment and disdain towards cam-models, which almost feels as if it borders on pure contempt. Which makes me think that the cam-world really isn't going to be a healthy place for you. Perhaps I am wrong, and I hope I am - I am just judging from the tone of your posts, which sound very bitter and very angry. But if you want the real name and real connection and real intimacy with a woman, then camworld isn't for you. You should put your energy into connecting with a girlfriend, not a paid camgirl entertainer.
 
A simple example: if a guy asks the cam girl's name, and she says, "I don't give out my name", she's being honest. If he asks her name and she gives him a fake name, and lets him believe it's her real name, she's being dishonest. And so on.

Her "fake name" could be some sort of nickname, or a portion of her middle name, or whatever. Who cares? As soon as the model tells you "I don't give out my name"...or "My name is _____"...or "You can call me _____," you, the member need to accept that, and DROP IT. If that means you have to just call her by her cam screen name, so be it.

As soon as you start pestering her with questions like "Now is that your real name?" or "What is Shelly short for?," you are being a nosey, creepy motherfucker, and you deserve to get banned...or at least a warning to knock it off. I find it disturbing when a man acts like this, and acts like he's not doing anything wrong...
 
I want to give @paige_orion a standing ovation. OP does not belong on camsites until he works through whatever his issue is. Right now, he screams unhealthy and entitled, if not outright dangerous.
 
I want to give @paige_orion a standing ovation. OP does not belong on camsites until he works through whatever his issue with women is. Right now, he screams unhealthy and entitled, if not outright dangerous.

He screams "sucker". But if the cam girls in question did what he said, they're not blameless. And all of the posts suggesting guys should expect that kind of behavior from cam girls is what I was criticizing.
 
The truth isn't sexy. You can be offended at the fantasy all night long, but the truth is... 99.99% of actual paying members don't want reality. They enjoy the fantasy. If every camgirl became an honest an accurate version of themselves... The tips would dry right the hell up. No members would be having fun. And honestly? It isn't fun to always be truthful. Sometimes, it feels really nice to live in a fantasy world for a little while, where everything is fun and positive and happy and sexy. Sometimes, just pretending to feel that way can make it true for a while.

I'm not trying to paint the picture that every camgirl is faking their happiness or that they don't have genuine fun on cam or that they don't genuinely care about their regulars.
^^this.

If the initial complaint about calling it fantasy is because it's intentionally misleading in order to make our money, then I get it. A person who feels that way should not be a member on a cam site, though. That's for sure. Because that's what camming is for 99% of us.

I'm as relatable and "real" as it comes as far as my camming persona goes. I talk about real life stuff and complain about many things. But my entire schtick is still fantasy, because I do not give the accurate picture of me as a whole to my room. I give the best part of myself and basically nothing else. Even when I'm complaining about real life stuff, it's a sweetened up, easy to swallow pill version of it. Portraying myself this way is projecting a fantasy that people chip in to pay for every day.

I sell a fantasy version of myself to the Internet every day. I still have a genuine good time and care about my regulars, but if someone's going to dismiss that just because I portray myself a particular way for my job, then that's lame.
Yes. He didn't understand what was being talked about.
That didn't make him a white knight. People throw that title around way too freely these days.
 
Mine's Ebony Dementia Dark'ness Raven Way. I try to keep it subtle so the members don't know it's made up.
 
^^this.

If the initial complaint about calling it fantasy is because it's intentionally misleading in order to make our money, then I get it. A person who feels that way should not be a member on a cam site, though. That's for sure. Because that's what camming is for 99% of us.

I'm as relatable and "real" as it comes as far as my camming persona goes. I talk about real life stuff and complain about many things. But my entire schtick is still fantasy, because I do not give the accurate picture of me as a whole to my room. I give the best part of myself and basically nothing else. Even when I'm complaining about real life stuff, it's a sweetened up, easy to swallow pill version of it. Portraying myself this way is projecting a fantasy that people chip in to pay for every day.

I sell a fantasy version of myself to the Internet every day. I still have a genuine good time and care about my regulars, but if someone's going to dismiss that just because I portray myself a particular way for my job, then that's lame.

It's impossible to respond to every post, because they're all over the map. My point was simple. That is, that being a cam girl should not be viewed as a blank check for lying to guys and manipulating them to get their money. Pretending to be in a good mood when you aren't isn't "fantasy", or a lie. It doesn't mean you're a fictional character. If so, every employee at every business who has to be polite to customers when they don't feel like it is acting out a "fantasy".

And when a cam girl says, "Tip 100 tokens to see my boobs", and a guy tips her for it, there's no "fantasy" in that either. She is showing her real boobs for real money.

I don't get what's so complicated about it.
 
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