I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

[AudriTwo]

God, I love them. Show up, pay for a show, no interaction outside of that because they don't bother looking for us on Twitter, it's perfect.

It's like they come to just masturbate! My kind of cam relationship, jerk off to me then go on with you day/night.

Streamate guys after they finish a show:

 

[haywired1950]

As a camgirl who half asses everything online and makes enough to live comfy, but not wealthy, do you know how fucking hard the top girls work? I try to stay active on Twitter, build a following, update snapchat, film regular videos, stick to a camming schedule, update other social media, market, engage customers when I'm not online, etc and you know what? I have not been able to juggle it. It's fucking hard work. It feels like you're always on and always thinking about what you're going to do next. That's why she's getting tipped a fuckton. Because she works her ass off while dudes like you question the validity of her work ethic and career.

I will venture to say, that most of the users on CB have no idea how hard you or any of the cam models work. Having been a moderator for one lovely girl for almost three years and off and on for a few others, I can tell you that it can be very draining and stressful. She works in a room that doesn't have that many users at one time, and I have never figured it out, and uses it as her main source of income. Then she, and all the rest of you, have to deal with the idiots that toss a few tokens at her and expect her to do whatever they want likes she's a vending machine or street monkey.


All the best Charlie

 

[Starman]

One of the things that caught my eye, on second reading, is that you said you may spend like 10,000 tokens in a sitting on Chaturbate. And then you talk about girls "making bank," about them "going crazy" because they they need you so bad. Um, you do realize that 10,000 tokens on Chaturbate is only US$500 for the model, right? And that then the model has to pay taxes on top of it? It's not like it's $10,000US.

Actually, for Eastern European and probably other less well-off countries, that's a LOT of money. $500 is over the average monthly income at least one former-Soviet country I know of, and well-paying jobs are rare. So, yeah, the models probably are going a bit crazy without the income they've gotten used to.

 

[AudriTwo]

Actually, for Eastern European and probably other less well-off countries, that's a LOT of money. $500 is over the average monthly income at least one former-Soviet country I know of, and well-paying jobs are rare. So, yeah, the models probably are going a bit crazy without the income they've gotten used to.

Honestly it's models relying on a handful of regulars. Western models are guilty of this too. Check out @camgirlbb on Twitter. You see posts all the time from models freaking out and panicking how to pay their bills when they loose a reg.

 

[Guy]

It's like they come to just masturbate! My kind of cam relationship, jerk off to me then go on with you day/night.

Streamate guys after they finish a show:
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Do you sometimes get exceptions to that?

 

[TemporarilyWhining]

The "what's your real name" ones are the worst. Like who do they think is going to give out their real name to some creepy rude asshole on the internet to begin with?

Eh, I just lie and say that IS my real name. I chose an online name, part of which is a believable first name, so it seems plausible. I just make it clear I wouldn't give out a last name, or location. So when they start pestering for a real name like they're getting some special insider, classified info, I just smile and say that IS my real name! What the fuck do they know? I guess I'm a convincing liar, because they seem to believe me. Then they say it's a beautiful name, and sometimes I give them some made-up story about how I got it. If you can give the ILLUSION of intimacy, people think they have real intimacy. They pay more, and they ask fewer questions. I think I come off as pretty innocent and straight-forward, so it's pretty easy to get them to believe whatever I tell them. I feel no guilt whatsoever, because it's a site where you pay to masturbate to a stranger. It's not like I'm applying for Secret Service clearance! I am not morally obligated to put my own life in danger with random weirdos. So if they believe whatever I tell them, I just think of that as part of the job. It's a make-believe world where I tell a lot of fun stories, and they sit around in a circle and listen like little children. Story time! Once upon a time there was a princess in a hard life, where she had to always look pretty and do exhausting gruntwork to please tyrants, to pay off her bills. She had to do whatever they said, and they were very demanding and selfish, day after day after day....But she outwitted these ogres, and made her money while also finding a way to make the world a better place, and eventually she lived happily ever after!...

The end.

So yeah,my name is whatever the fuck I tell you it is. How would they know the difference anyway? They just want to feel special. I smile like we're buddies, ask them about their day and distract them, and soon they're on to complaining about their boss or whatever... People attempt to stalk me in real life with rather disturbing frequency, so I'd much rather at least be dealing with the people on the internet who have much less chance of being successful finding my boring needle in the global haystack. If I think they get too close, I know multiple languages so it always throws them off to start speaking in something else, or dropping hints for an unrelated area.

A note though, I have watched some well-known models give viewers aerial shots of their home. Um, that is a super bad idea. Even if you live in a remote part of a country with a lot of remote areas. Satellite imagery is improving all the time, and if you give enough hints throughout the years to your regulars, they can much more easily find you that way using a program. Same as if you show face shots that are your completely unadulterated face and it matches images you have online elsewhere for a personal profile. Technology is sophisticated. Protect yourself as much as possible, so it's hard for them to track you down to your actual identity or location. I see models giving out their real town or city fairly often, especially when new in the business. Some people on these sites are really mental, and will actually move to try to "marry you" or find you. Don't make stalking easier for the obsessive types in an age of super-tech. Using a VPN is also a good idea, if this concerns you - but there can be issues with this too, like "virtual" (a.k.a. fake) server locations, and slowed speeds. Bad things may happen in life anyway, but at least don't serve up your head on a silver platter for people.

 

[AudriTwo]

Do you sometimes get exceptions to that?

after gold shows end or any shows that end, everyone clears out. i have maybe like a handful of people that like to stick around and say their thank yous and goodbyes. but it's rare.

 

[Starman]

Once upon a time there was a princess in a hard life, where she had to always look pretty and do exhausting gruntwork to please tyrants, to pay off her bills. She had to do whatever they said, and they were very demanding and selfish, day after day after day...

Demanding, selfish tyrants and ogres - I'm sorry its like that for you, TW.

Maybe someday there will be a cam site where the members are all polite, well-off white-knights and the models are all sex-positive exhibitionists who have real orgasms. There will be no scammers and no stalkers. Pigs will fly, too.

 

[AwesomeKate]

I don't fake my orgasms but I'm starting to think I should. No one seems to care either way and I think they'd rather see me get there faster, get there multiple times, and exaggerate to all hell when I do.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

these threads...

 

[Starman]

I don't fake my orgasms but I'm starting to think I should. No one seems to care either way and I think they'd rather see me get there faster, get there multiple times, and exaggerate to all hell when I do.

Do one real and one fake, then get the room to bet on which was what.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I don't fake my orgasms but I'm starting to think I should. No one seems to care either way and I think they'd rather see me get there faster, get there multiple times, and exaggerate to all hell when I do.

This. From what I've witnessed in some of these tip vibe rooms...the guys absolutely eat that shit up. A $1 dollar tip, and suddenly her body's convulsing. LMAO! Hmmm. If that's what guys like to see, maybe I should get one, and put my acting skills to the test.

 

[Joeternal]

Predictable replies. But the excuse that it's all "fantasy" and "not real" doesn't fly. If you want that, you sell videos. Camming is interactive. Meaning real people talking to each other in real time. It's never going to be the same as a TV show, and trashing members for not seeing it that way is BS. BS that gives models an excuse to lie to, manipulate and rip off members. "Hey, it's not real anyway!". Nah, real people, real money. Some are more honest than others. Buyer beware.

 

[Wolf_3_5_9]

I don't fake my orgasms but I'm starting to think I should. No one seems to care either way and I think they'd rather see me get there faster, get there multiple times, and exaggerate to all hell when I do.

 

[AudriTwo]

Predictable replies. But the excuse that it's all "fantasy" and "not real" doesn't fly. If you want that, you sell videos. Camming is interactive. Meaning real people talking to each other in real time. It's never going to be the same as a TV show, and trashing members for not seeing it that way is BS. BS that gives models an excuse to lie to, manipulate and rip off members. "Hey, it's not real anyway!". Nah, real people, real money. Some are more honest than others. Buyer beware.

If money wasn't involved do you think all these women would willingly for free and talk to you for fun not caring what you look like? Do you think they would all still masturbate for your pleasure? Showing their face and all? For an extended amount of time? Think about it. Maybe a small, small amount. Majority wouldn't.
That's why we stress it's a fantasy. You are PAYING for an unrealistic experience.

Us stressing it's a fantasy doesn't give models who abuse and manipulate their position an excuse to do so. There will always be garbage people who will try to take advantage of you everywhere. That's why members need to be realistic and always keep their skeptical glasses on. Camming will always be 100% about the money. That's why you should never believe "Kayta" from Russia when she says she loves you after you give her x tokens.

 

[Dan Epstein]

Actually, for Eastern European and probably other less well-off countries, that's a LOT of money. $500 is over the average monthly income at least one former-Soviet country I know of, and well-paying jobs are rare. So, yeah, the models probably are going a bit crazy without the income they've gotten used to.

I know some day job mainstream workers in Russia, Bratislava, Czech Republic, and Romania, who get a serious monthly pay on every level, many of them are women by the way. I'd suggest you do your homework, and not rely on blog wisdom
No one goes online freelancing for charity.

 

[Starman]

I know some day job mainstream workers in Russia, Bratislava, Czech Republic, and Romania, who get a serious monthly pay on every level, many of them are women by the way. I'd suggest you do your homework, and not rely on blog wisdom
No one goes online freelancing for charity.

I'm basing it on personal in-country observation, information from locals and reliable research, not blog wisdom. I'm not speaking of any of those countries. I don't understand you last comment. I didn't say anything about going online freelancing for charity. Was that a response to someone else?

 

[Slowburst]

It's good that you started setting limits for yourself OP. And you finally realize that the addiction is real. You now know that none of the people on your screen are ever going to live "Happily Ever After" with you. It is fun to socialize with people, and it is easy to feel a friendship with a person as you keep talking and sharing things online. Every so often you have to give yourself a mental smack upside the head and remind yourself that their private lives and your private life will never truly intersect.
I'd say that most long-term cam viewers have similar stories to yours. It's nothing new.

 

[Dan Epstein]

I'm basing it on personal in-country observation, information from locals and reliable research, not blog wisdom. I'm not speaking of any of those countries. I don't understand you last comment. I didn't say anything about going online freelancing for charity. Was that a response to someone else?

I was posting out of my butt again...you got a point there

 

[justjoinedtopost]

You now know that none of the people on your screen are ever going to live "Happily Ever After" with you. It is fun to socialize with people, and it is easy to feel a friendship with a person as you keep talking and sharing things online. Every so often you have to give yourself a mental smack upside the head and remind yourself that their private lives and your private life will never truly intersect.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not be too hasty. That shit happens.

Especially on MFC...

Members and models are free to exchange e-mail addresses or other contact information. Many of our users and models have formed great relationships, friendships, and marriages, so we would never want to get in the way of that with rules or restrictions.

 

[Joeternal]

If money wasn't involved do you think all these women would willingly for free and talk to you for fun not caring what you look like? Do you think they would all still masturbate for your pleasure? Showing their face and all? For an extended amount of time? Think about it. Maybe a small, small amount. Majority wouldn't.
That's why we stress it's a fantasy. You are PAYING for an unrealistic experience.

Us stressing it's a fantasy doesn't give models who abuse and manipulate their position an excuse to do so. There will always be garbage people who will try to take advantage of you everywhere. That's why members need to be realistic and always keep their skeptical glasses on. Camming will always be 100% about the money. That's why you should never believe "Kayta" from Russia when she says she loves you after you give her x tokens.

What you're describing isn't a fantasy. Like I said, I think it's widespread that cam girls feel like they have some kind of license to mislead and manipulate members because it's "not real". There are real people on both sides. There may be fantasy involved in some part of what goes on, but the two people talking to each other are not imaginary.

There may be some variation depending on the site, but cam girls going to conventions and meeting members, holding date raffles, and dating guys they met through the site is very common. There are plenty of posts on this forum that attest to it.

It is important for all involved to make a distinction between what's "part of the job" and what isn't. That shouldn't be complicated, because if you tip for it, it's part of the job. Cam girls pretending they're some kind of fictional character when they're on cam, and everything they say can or should be fake, is very messed up.

 

[yummybrownfox]

 

[Dan Epstein]

Cam girls go to conventions as a part of marketing plans, either with website that they work with as brand ambassadors, or with studios.
No one within his right mind is going there for a date raffle, unless they wish to get to know the bouncers. I've been in two conventions so far, and no dating took place.

 

[NoelleBright]

It is important for all involved to make a distinction between what's "part of the job" and what isn't. That shouldn't be complicated, because if you tip for it, it's part of the job. Cam girls pretending they're some kind of fictional character when they're on cam, and everything they say can or should be fake, is very messed up.

And who gets to say what a model can and cannot lie about, YOU? Cut me a break.
As long as a model isn't lying in an effort to manipulate feelings (love scamming), then who cares.

I have a friend who even lies about what she eats because she doesn't want to start a veganism debate in her room. Guess I should go tell her how messed up she is.

 

[Wolf_3_5_9]

What you're describing isn't a fantasy. Like I said, I think it's widespread that cam girls feel like they have some kind of license to mislead and manipulate members because it's "not real". There are real people on both sides. There may be fantasy involved in some part of what goes on, but the two people talking to each other are not imaginary.

There may be some variation depending on the site, but cam girls going to conventions and meeting members, holding date raffles, and dating guys they met through the site is very common. There are plenty of posts on this forum that attest to it.

It is important for all involved to make a distinction between what's "part of the job" and what isn't. That shouldn't be complicated, because if you tip for it, it's part of the job. Cam girls pretending they're some kind of fictional character when they're on cam, and everything they say can or should be fake, is very messed up.

Talking to each other may be real, but the nature of the interaction is not realistic. Do you really think it's real when a model puts up with the BS spewing in the chat with a smile? Or laughing at stupid jokes? Or that a 2 sec vibe from a 1 token tip is putting her on a edge of an orgasm? It's entertainment that's paid for, and many times acted out.

 

[AudriTwo]

What you're describing isn't a fantasy. Like I said, I think it's widespread that cam girls feel like they have some kind of license to mislead and manipulate members because it's "not real". There are real people on both sides. There may be fantasy involved in some part of what goes on, but the two people talking to each other are not imaginary.

There may be some variation depending on the site, but cam girls going to conventions and meeting members, holding date raffles, and dating guys they met through the site is very common. There are plenty of posts on this forum that attest to it.

It is important for all involved to make a distinction between what's "part of the job" and what isn't. That shouldn't be complicated, because if you tip for it, it's part of the job. Cam girls pretending they're some kind of fictional character when they're on cam, and everything they say can or should be fake, is very messed up.

yes they are real people, but the circumstances that bring models onto the site isn't realistic. that's why it's a fantasy. women aren't willingly getting on cam because they are hot and horny. no, they are getting on to pay their bills.

they are holding date raffles so they can pay their bills. they aren't going on them because they want to go on a date with a stranger on the internet. it's a form of escorting. they go to conventions to network with other models and industry reps and to represent their company. there is a reason why model tickets are a lot cheaper than random joe tickets. because convention holders know you guys would pay a lot more. also it isn't super common for models to be dating their customers. it's a rare RARE thing. a lot offer girlfriend experience which a member pays the model to be his internet girlfriend. sometimes the lines get blurred. also the posts here on camgirl isn't that common. and when we do, most of the time it's an EE model leading some poor sucker on who clearly has emotional issues.

also camgirls DO play a fictional character. they are a hyper version of themselves. we aren't going to showcase our bad personality traits. not to mention most of the performances are shit we wouldn't normally do in our vanila sex life.

what shouldn't be complicated is understanding that camming is 100% fantasy. yes the people are real people. but models actions are fantasy.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I don't care what you all say, when TitsMcJugs69 told me she loved me after I tipped her 200 tokens and, I quote, "came buckets" when I told her about my Ghostbusters boxer shorts, I know she was for real.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

Cam girls go to conventions as a part of marketing plans, either with website that they work with as brand ambassadors, or with studios.
No one within his right mind is going there for a date raffle, unless they wish to get to know the bouncers. I've been in two conventions so far, and no dating took place.

I run most of my date raffle during conventions. It's a safe environment for me to do so and I get more ppl buying tickets because they plan to attend anyway. They can come see me at the booth and if they win they can take me to dinner, a show .. etc.

It happens a lot...

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

I run most of my date raffle during conventions. It's a safe environment for me to do so and I get more ppl buying tickets because they plan to attend anyway. They can come see me at the booth and if they win they can take me to dinner, a show .. etc.

It happens a lot...

All that said.. obviously date raffles and dating are different. I go by on a date raffle as part of my job. I be have fun, genuine interesting but... It's something I'm making money doing. I am marrying a man I met on MFC. There was nothing he did.. he didn't come meet me at a convention, win a date raffle, best my highest tip. We just meet in MFC started talking and I be liked him. I immediately took it off site and asked him to stop tipping. I also purchased my own plane ticket to go see him. This is incredibly rare.. and totally different than a date raffle

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

All that said.. obviously date raffles and dating are different. I go by on a date raffle as part of my job. I be have fun, genuine interesting but... It's something I'm making money doing. I am marrying a man I met on MFC. There was nothing he did.. he didn't come meet me at a convention, win a date raffle, best my highest tip. We just meet in MFC started talking and I be liked him. I immediately took it off site and asked him to stop tipping. I also purchased my own plane ticket to go see him. This is incredibly rare.. and totally different than a date raffle

Omfg it won't let me edit but I'm on my phone and there are so many typos. Sorry.... For the triple post but I can actually speak English and wanted to tell you guys that.