MFC: Give up the ghost. (or, my message to cam models…

[eclipse76]

MFC: Give up the ghost. (or, my message to cam models who aren’t in the top 100 range [and my camlife story])


Since my twitter rant, I’ve been asked by 3 or 4 cam girls via DM for advice about MFC because of their reluctance towards CB and other sites. What I’m about to tell you is going to sound really harsh and discouraging but it needs to be said: you are never going to be successful on MFC.

Alright maybe not ~never~, but it’s really unlikely. It has nothing to do with how you look or how you dress. You could even be really charasmatic and smart. It doesn’t matter. You probably won’t make more than $50 this payperiod. I’m sorry.
I know what you’re thinking. You’re on the profile pages of the girls with camscores that break 15,000 and the top earners are pulling in over 10k a month and you’re thinking that if you copy some kind of magic forumula that you’ll get your “big break” and things will be awesome. However, your traffic is fully reliant on your twitter followers (half of which are other cam girls) and your room is never going to have more than 30 people in it even if you have fireworks and start giving away iPods (that’s what some girls do right?). I think it’s time you cut your losses. You have a camscore of 1500 and MFC’s traffic doesn’t really trickle down the list beyond girls under 7k.
While I did my first camming gig when I was 18, I started on MFC when I was 22. I spent a good 2.5 years on there before things started getting… less good. But at first it was awesome. Albeit I never beat any records and I wasn’t in the top 100 (I take a lot of naps), but I made more than enough to live comfortably alone in my San Diego apartment which had literally a 3 minute walk to the beach. It was kind of absurd. Months passed, I moved around quite a bit, and MFC was the only consistency in my life. It was great. I can honestly say that in my adulthood, I haven’t had the kind of financial struggle I saw my parents have when I was a kid. It’s a good feeling.
I moved back to my hometown in summer of 2012. After a few years of aimlessness I had decided I need to pick a direction or at the very least, stop moving all along the coast of CA. I went back to college full time and continued camming. I changed majors 87 times.
It was during this time that I had to start getting really smart about camming. My hometown is a bit more expensive than other places I’ve lived in, and going to school meant paying tuition and losing a lot of time to homework and in-class lectures. But I managed and found ways to increase my profit using less of my time. So my cam score went up. COOL.
The status quo stayed here for awhile. But I got bored. Summer time came last year, almost a full year ago, and I decided to take a semester off and make as much money as I possibly could. I had a few personal goals but more than anything, I wanted to see how much I could make now that I’d learned how to maximize my time/profit ratio.
And honestly I couldn’t have had worse timing. This is around the time I discovered that MFC’s traffic was starting to disappear. I expanded my hours to what they were previously and there was just no one there, not like before. No random people. Nothing. I was really confused. And while August was my most successful month in all my time on MFC, I damn near exhuasted myself to death fighting tooth and nail to get it. Even then I kept thinking, with the amount of time and energy I’m investing, there should be more… everything! My cam score should have been higher, my paycheck should have been bigger, my viewers should have passed 200… I can think of one particularly frustrating day when I made an average of 400/hour and my cam score DROPPED 1,000 points. So the next day my traffic dropped to almost nothing. I was livid.
This is when I looked into Chaturbate, which a lot of MFC models had already switched to. More than anything I wanted to expand my customer base. I felt like I wasn’t reaching nearly enough people and that needed to change. I remember thinking CB was really weird at first. It has a lot of gadgets like bots and apps, I had a ton of viewers even when I did nothing, a lot of people on there don’t speak English, and getting a 1 token tip is pretty common. That would never happen on MFC!!! I know MFC models that ban anyone that tips under 20 tokens! I was facing major camculture shock. The MFC camscore system had entirely fucked with my way of thinking, and it definitely fucked with how I viewed money/business. But I stuck with CB, just because I saw that a lot of girls were doing really well on there and traffic doesn’t lie.
By now I was camming on both sites, and making just about as much on each. I’d finally figured out that those 1 token tips on CB add up and I was reaching all my goals. I finally recognized that CB is more about a team effort and less about having 2 customers than can afford to give thousands of dollars a month. Which, let’s face it, can be a pretty unrealisitc expectation.


Around October, things on MFC really started to plummet headfirst into the ground. Even with movie nights and drinking games and costumes, I barely made enough to cover rent and bills. Christmas was coming. I was getting a little nervous. Little did I know that come November, I’d have to move and spend my entire savings account on getting a new apartment. Queue crisis mode.
After the dust settled, I got back on cam. Everyone on MFC was gone with the exception of 3 or 4 regular people. It was just silence. I’d taken two weeks off to move and what I thought couldn’t get worse, DID get worse. At this point, the shift in loyalty began. My monthly expenses had nearly doubled and I couldn’t afford to sit in a quiet chatroom where I’d be punished if I didn’t make money, thus enforcing that I would continue to not make money. The MFC system had finally shut me out.
Back in February I gave MFC one last shot and had an iPod raffle. While it was successful, my momentary success had more to do with an iPod and less to do with the time I was investing in my camming. And it hadn’t done nearly as well as a couple previous raffles. It was fun but I recognized that being a “raffles only” camgirl wasn’t the road I wanted to take. Since then I’ve gotten on MFC once or twice just to see who’s around. It’s still pretty quiet. Maybe some day I’ll try again, but I’ve learned how much my time is worth so most likely not.
On the flip side to my toxic MFC relationship, I started utilizing CB to it’s full potential. A lot of my regulars from MFC made the switch, and the feeling that I have to “fight” my way to success isn’t really there anymore. Most importantly I’m actually having fun because I’m not so stressed anymore. I know that when I get on, I can make my goals. I have my slow days where my goals take twice as long, but I’m not punished for that anymore with an arbitrary score system. And I have to admit, that makes it a whole lot easier to get back on cam the next day.


Too long didn’t read: if MFC isn’t working for you, it’s ok to give up on it. It doesn’t mean you’re a shitty cam girl and it doesn’t mean that you can’t make money camming. Stop letting a high-profitting business punish you for not being a “popular” girl. There are other cam sites out there, and just because they’re different doesn’t mean you won’t be wildly successful. Make that money!

I heard some people say that MFC was "harder" too lately. Or maybe she was doing it wrong.

 

[Delta]

Oh, Radiohead...

I don't entirely disagree with this spiel. MFC is hard, its fluctuations are brutal, and the social aspect can be a more of a curse than a blessing when it comes down to money.

MFC was the first site I started on, I'll always have a soft spot for it, and I always make my way back once in a while. I've branched out to other sites and gained some perspective and I've realized that confidence is just as important as persistence, or good lighting, or shticks. When your selling yourself you can't help but associate success or failure as a direct reflection of your person. A bad shift, or a few bad shifts can do some damage, especially when you've invested so much energy into giving a good show. Learning to bounce back with a smile and try again is probably the most important thing I've learned in the last few years I've been camming. At some point or another, every site goes through a depression, not just MFC.

 

[Starling]

So, I will preface this by saying that I agree with the general premise that MFC is not for everyone. Some girls will just not do well on it no matter how pretty, smart, charismatic, etc. they are. However, I think she's got a major case of sour grapes.

Alright maybe not ~never~, but it’s really unlikely. It has nothing to do with how you look or how you dress. You could even be really charasmatic and smart. It doesn’t matter. You probably won’t make more than $50 this payperiod. I’m sorry.

Welp, first off, that's simply not true. The average tokens per hour across the whole site is a little over $20 an hour, so statistically, most girls are probably making more than $50 every two weeks, especially if we only count the girls she seems to be addressing- the ones who are actually trying to hit Top 100 or 500, who are trying to do this full time.

I know what you’re thinking. You’re on the profile pages of the girls with camscores that break 15,000 and the top earners are pulling in over 10k a month and you’re thinking that if you copy some kind of magic forumula that you’ll get your “big break” and things will be awesome. However, your traffic is fully reliant on your twitter followers (half of which are other cam girls) and your room is never going to have more than 30 people in it even if you have fireworks and start giving away iPods (that’s what some girls do right?). I think it’s time you cut your losses. You have a camscore of 1500 and MFC’s traffic doesn’t really trickle down the list beyond girls under 7k.

Measuring financial success via camscore is incredibly unproductive. When I had a 4500 camscore, the best I did in Miss MFC was in the 800s, because I only worked three days a week. I know several girls who consistently make Top 200-500 whose camscores are under 2000. It obviously means that they have to work longer than 7k girls to achieve the same rank, but claiming that "traffic doesn't really trickle down the list beyond girls under 7k" is ridiculous.

And honestly I couldn’t have had worse timing. This is around the time I discovered that MFC’s traffic was starting to disappear. I expanded my hours to what they were previously and there was just no one there, not like before. No random people. Nothing. I was really confused. And while August was my most successful month in all my time on MFC, I damn near exhuasted myself to death fighting tooth and nail to get it. Even then I kept thinking, with the amount of time and energy I’m investing, there should be more… everything! My cam score should have been higher, my paycheck should have been bigger, my viewers should have passed 200… I can think of one particularly frustrating day when I made an average of 400/hour and my cam score DROPPED 1,000 points. So the next day my traffic dropped to almost nothing. I was livid.

I haven't been around long, but it seems like there's always someone bitching and moaning that MFC's traffic is disappearing and/or MFC is on a decline, despite the fact that the average tokens per hour on the site has increased over the long term.

This whole thing seems like a case of individual decline after 2.5 years of moderate success, and her disappointment and understandable frustration therein. We all know (or should know) that camming is a career with an expiration date- those on top will not be on top forever, those who achieve success will not always experience that kind of success, and if there are thousands of active models attempting to climb the ranks, it's obvious that most will never experience Top 100. This is all common sense, and shouldn't need this kind of bitter diatribe to realize. I consider success in this industry to be a luxury, just as I think it's kind of obvious that going into porn does not entitle you to the same success as Stoya. It's misleading to act as though it's some injustice perpetrated by MFC, or to broadcast that most likely, models won't make any money. To be honest, it reeks of entitlement and a bad attitude, which could have easily played a role in this model's unfortunate experience with the site.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

I read her post when she tweeted about it, and I can understand her frustration and see the reality in what she is saying. Her experience is not unique, lots of people have felt this way.

I think it comes down to this: It is up to each individual to decide where their efforts are best rewarded. If your old site isn't working or is getting stale to you, switch it up! Sometimes I think the energy we naturally put into a new endeavor is enough to create success. But when you've already decided that something ISN'T working, it's going to come across as negativity that most people aren't looking for when they're trying to have a funsexygoodtime.

 

[DaphneO]

things like this are really discouraging to other models and i wish girls who have been doing this for awhile would think before they shed a negative light on a site based off of their own personal opinions and experiences. its said time and time again that MFC isnt for everyone. i, personally, didnt go into camming with the expectations to bring in anywhere near 10k a month. i dont think that reaching that should be the measure of success either. :twocents-02cents:

edit: & for the record.. my CS is well under 1000 & im doing much better than 50 dollars/pay period.

 

[Fay_Galore]

well, in a super super arrogant en egocentric way, it could be beneficent if this would discourage a few girls to switch from MFC (she's getting to me too actually hehe) but well, to be honest, I think MFC is gonna stick around, but the model-member ratio is a bit out of balance.

 

[LacieLaPlante]

Her story is similar to mine.

I was averaging top 200-400. I hit the top 20 once, and now my camscore is 2800 and I make less than half of what I made two years ago. My 4 year cammiversary is about to hit. I've jumped between sites and all I realized there was that.. mfc doesn't appreciate that and will not follow me where I go. They will sooner find new models than follow me.

So, I know this is a direct result of less time on cam, less effort with regular, accepting giftrocket for Skypes rather than tokens for privates. Once you reach a level of success, it's easy to become lazier than you were and forget how much work you put in to get to that point. It all has to be maintained, even if it gets easy and stays easy for so long. Eventually you'll have to do the grunt work. The long hours, the extra emails, pictures, videos.

It's harder than it used to be due to sheer volume of models. But that doesn't make it impossible. I can still get the same numbers of people in my room that I used to, it just takes a little more effort and getting a conversation started can be a real pain.

I'm working on it. Things are getting better, hopefully soon they will be back to the way they were. Maybe with more effort than the old days.

 

[The Insider]

The originator of the site began as a LiveJasmin affiliate.
He wanted to make the anti-jasmin
He succeeded, which is why mfc is so successful but there is a backlash that's rarely talked about.

I don't think the amount of visitors to the site has decreased but certainly the amount who are willing to become a premium and tip on a regular basis.
And why would someone bother to become a premium at all ?
It used to be that all sites out there were non-nude in free but on mfc any joe blow can wander in and see non-nude to extreme fisting in free chat.
There is no incentive at all from mfc's side to incline someone to want to become a premium.
The incentive comes from the model, her direct contact puts the upsell in her hands.
I believe that most model earnings come from a very small % of premium and a slim portion from people paying $20 once to become a prem and access the lounge. The remainder are those happy to be guests and basics, getting their rocks off for free.

Regardless of what the news and media say, most people still feel the economy is in the dumps so they are more careful with how they spend.
They want more value for their money and they will go to models that offer that. All those little things like "every 100tkn tip gets a free photo set" add up and create a lot of good will. If a model asks 500tkns for 1 month of snapchat and her 1 post a day is "will be inline in 15min" and another model asks 500tkns for 6mos or a year or forever, who's more likely to have more signup? The one that offers the most value. Models like that will do better, but it is work.

 

[XxXIndiXxX]

She kinda lost me at this part when she was talking about the decline

"I can think of one particularly frustrating day when I made an average of 400/hour and my cam score DROPPED 1,000 points. So the next day my traffic dropped to almost nothing. I was livid."

Someone please tell me she's talking about an average of 400 tokens an hour, and not $400?

 

[Gen]

There are more models joining now, of course it's more difficult. I do think MFC is hard to make yourself stand out on, but I don't agree with her assertion that you'll be making hardly any money if you don't have a super high camscore. And I don't think everyone's measure of success is having a big camscore or making piles of money; a lot of girls choose to do this and only work as much as they need to pay their bills or have some spending money.

I think it's great to branch out and add other streams of income, but I don't think that you can promote one site as better than another for ALL models. Personally I've tried Chaturbate, MFC, and Steamate, and found through trial and error that MFC is my favourite. (Also all the threads about random bannings on CB have scared me!) I don't think all models who like MFC would like the community/atmosphere on CB just because it also has tokens. It's great to be adaptable but if a model likes MFC and wants to stick it out there, that seems like a personal decision.

Anyway I agree with her premise but as a girl with a camscore around 1500, I don't feel that I need to "cut my losses" and honestly find it a bit insulting to be told that I should quit because I'm not reaching the level of success that she wants. I also don't think I will be magically showered in tokens on Chaturbate if I put in the same amount of time and effort. Not all girls are going to be at the top of their site, whatever site that is, and that's okay! Not everyone CAN be, and not everyone SHOULD be.

I'm glad she found a site that works for her & that she is happier camming now.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I agree with her overall point (not succeeding on MFC doesn't mean you won't succeed elsewhere) but jebus... the sense of entitlement radiating from that post is blinding :?

 

[Kickaz]

Her write up is so negative, maybe a change to a more positive attitude would have helped her succeed more than focusing on camscore. Success is a state of mind, to get there you have to visualize yourself there before you are there, then start believing it and take actions.

 

[eclipse76]

She kinda lost me at this part when she was talking about the decline

"I can think of one particularly frustrating day when I made an average of 400/hour and my cam score DROPPED 1,000 points. So the next day my traffic dropped to almost nothing. I was livid."

Someone please tell me she's talking about an average of 400 tokens an hour, and not $400?

Most probably 400 tokens. It's weird either way, 400USD/hour would mean a super high camscore, 400 tokens an hour would be a very average camscore (ok still more than most of cam models, but if you plan on doing this full time, meh…).
What's also weird about that particular quote is that she doesn't seem to be aware of how the CS is calculated. If she had a super good day 60 days ago, of course her CS will drop suddenly once that day is out of the formula. So for me it means she didn't really make any research and didn't think this through, it was then a "bold" move to decide to decide to be full cam for 6 months in a high cost of living area.

Another thing that bothers me:

Summer time came last year, almost a full year ago, and I decided to take a semester off and make as much money as I possibly could. I had a few personal goals but more than anything, I wanted to see how much I could make now that I’d learned how to maximize my time/profit ratio.
And honestly I couldn’t have had worse timing. This is around the time I discovered that MFC’s traffic was starting to disappear. I expanded my hours to what they were previously and there was just no one there, not like before. No random people. Nothing. I was really confused.

She was doing good with fewer hours and, I assume, a handful of regulars. She extended her cam hours but didn't manage to extend her userbase outside of her regulars. Since her regulars do not have infinite pockets, her camscore crashed of course. I think she should have expected that, but she doesn't because:

Even then I kept thinking, with the amount of time and energy I’m investing, there should be more… everything! My cam score should have been higher, my paycheck should have been bigger, my viewers should have passed 200

she doesn't understand that when you're a freelancer hard work doesn't always pay if you can't meet your demand.


I wonder if she has tried Streamate. From what I've heard it's a bit like Chaturbate, but with a better ratio "serious customers"/freeloaders?

 

[JickyJuly]

I don't find this overly negative or provoking. It seems like what she's trying to say is "There's money to be made. If you're not making it, branch out!". Unfortunately, she included numbers. It's never a good idea to put financial details out there when you're trying to relate to a large group. Numbers sound so definitive, but a dollar where I live buys more than a dollar in other parts of the country and even in other parts of my own state. My camscore never passed 2200, and I lived fine with mfc as my only income for over a year. Singling out a certain score as the line of failure really doesn't help anyone. A 1500 girl is making $30 an hour. If she's living happily on that and prefers mfc, she's a success!

Aside from that, the message is fine. Most girls don't fit mfc. The competition is steep and the pay difference between the average girl and a top 20 girl is huge. Lots of girls who dominate other sites do crap on mfc. Little red bunny is the queen of livejasmin. Her mfc camscore was in the 500s. Failing at mfc is the norm. It doesn't mean you can't do well somewhere else.

I also think this particular girl did well in the younger days of mfc. It's a changing beast. It had to be hard for the girls who got in early and made money with less competition to accept those changes and adapt.

ETA: She was a high earning model. Obvs she meant 400 dollars.

 

[SugaCoated]

what's funny is I prefer SM over MFC but MFC prefers me over SM however I wouldn't dare be so discouraging to other models to other girls that want to try SM because I couldn't get the success I wanted from the site. I read it and it almost stopped me from logging back in after a horrible night but guess what this morning was fucking beautiful one of my best shifts thus far. I think the higher your cam score climbs and the more money you make you're going to have to work harder be more captivating and innovative if you want to keep your position. Thinking it will get easier is a plan for failure and it's not fair to your fans for you to think it's alright to start slacking.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I... ugh...

I have a lot of feels and no nice way to say them. I love Jasper, I think she is just adorable.

I would like to continue liking her so I'm going to pretend I didn't read this.

 

[SaraXLive]

So my $0.02 (and unpopular opinion) is that there are some girls who possibly need to hear this, if they are hanging on to MFC and it is doing badly for them. Not everyone has the right mindset to be able to do all the things that are necessary to be successful on MFC, and I have seen the posts from ladies who seem to be continuing on MFC to their mental detriment/start on another site and are much happier. You all see it as a negative post but some might see it as empowering, and giving them a little hope where before maybe they had none.

And to anyone who personally attacks the OP or says that you're not charming enough to make money on MFC, shame on you. I've known lots of adorable, fun, funny, smart girls who weren't able to make much money on MFC, and I've seen girls making tons on MFC when they have all the personality of a rock.

 

[JoleneBrody]

So my $0.02 (and unpopular opinion) is that there are some girls who possibly need to hear this, if they are hanging on to MFC and it is doing badly for them. Not everyone has the right mindset to be able to do all the things that are necessary to be successful on MFC, and I have seen the posts from ladies who seem to be continuing on MFC to their mental detriment/start on another site and are much happier. You all see it as a negative post but some might see it as empowering, and giving them a little hope where before maybe they had none.

And to anyone who personally attacks the OP or says that you're not charming enough to make money on MFC, shame on you. I've known lots of adorable, fun, funny, smart girls who weren't able to make much money on MFC, and I've seen girls making tons on MFC when they have all the personality of a rock.

Yeah I ended up posting my response.
I worry that the VERY exaggerated numbers in the first half of the post will be taken literally by a lot of people and make them not even want to try.

MFC is a lot of work though, and not every cam girl is looking to cam in a way that takes a lot of work... AND THAT'S OK!
The post really annoyed me at first, but after reading her follow up replies I have a much better understanding of what she meant and what her intentions were, even though I think she's wrong about a few things.

Mostly that MFC is a sinking ship. In reality MFC has only grown bigger, and MORE models are making the large numbers than before. The profiles homepage used to show 4-5k camscores... now It's hard to get on the profiles homepage with less than 7500.
The competition is fiercer than before and the performance expectations are higher, but overall the number of highly successful models is SO much higher than 3 years ago. what used to get me into the top 100 can barely hold top 200, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE SITE AS A WHOLE!

MFC isn't sinking, if anything it's growing wings... you might just have to try a little bit harder to keep from being thrown overboard.

 

[SaraXLive]

Yeah I ended up posting my response.
I worry that the VERY exaggerated numbers in the first half of the post will be taken literally by a lot of people and make them not even want to try.

MFC is a lot of work though, and not every cam girl is looking to cam in a way that takes a lot of work... AND THAT'S OK!
The post really annoyed me at first, but after reading her follow up replies I have a much better understanding of what she meant and what her intentions were, even though I think she's wrong about a few things.

Mostly that MFC is a sinking ship. In reality MFC has only grown bigger, and MORE models are making the large numbers than before. The profiles homepage used to show 4-5k camscores... now It's hard to get on the profiles homepage with less than 7500.
The competition is fiercer than before and the performance expectations are higher, but overall the number of highly successful models is SO much higher than 3 years ago. what used to get me into the top 100 can barely hold top 200, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE SITE AS A WHOLE!

MFC isn't sinking, if anything it's growing wings... you might just have to try a little bit harder to keep from being thrown overboard.

There are a lot of ladies though who don't want to be top anything and don't want to enter a popularity contest to pay their bills... I would go as far as to say, cannot mentally handle how overwhelming it can be, or possibly underwhelming, when you don't know how to handle it or can't seem to attract a clientele. I love MFC, but I have years experience as an entertainer and I can handle bad/slow days, rejection etc better than some of the ladies who just need to make money to pay their bills, who may find the MFC system hard to master & feel as if they are foundering. So yes, while parts of the OP may not be worded/presented in the most PC/positive way, I do still believe that it will give a bit of a beacon of hope to some of the ladies who may feel hopeless on MFC.

 

[Sevrin]

Less than 40 hours in 6 months? I'm not sure what makes this person feel that she's entitled to express an opinion about what it takes to make it on MFC, or anything else about MFC, not that expressing an opinion on the internet has a lot of prerequisites or anything.

She's not going to be any kind of competition to, let's say, Brina (the model she most reminds me of visually), by working whenever she feels like it. It's not hard to understand how she managed her respectable 3k camscore, since she's very beautiful and, apparently creative, but it doesn't look like she ever given MFC much of a real shot. Anyway, if she's doing well on CB, good for her.

This young lady might want to that give "Why Generation Y Yuppies Are Unhappy" thread a read.

 

[Gen]

Did she specify when she moved from MFC to CB? That might account for her minimal hours. From her post it sounds like she was quite successful on MFC a while ago but isn't anymore and so she moved sites, but still drops by once in a while (which makes sense, a few hours a month).

 

[LacieLaPlante]

Less than 40 hours in 6 months? I'm not sure what makes this person feel that she's entitled to express an opinion about what it takes to make it on MFC, or anything else about MFC, not that expressing an opinion on the internet has a lot of prerequisites or anything.

Why are you looking at the last 6 months like these are the good years she's speaking of? She's been a cam model for a while, you'll need to look back 2 years to see her hayday on MFC. As far as I know, she's been on CB for a long while now, probably heavily during the 6 months you're looking at.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Less than 40 hours in 6 months? I'm not sure what makes this person feel that she's entitled to express an opinion about what it takes to make it on MFC, or anything else about MFC, not that expressing an opinion on the internet has a lot of prerequisites or anything.

Why are you looking at the last 6 months like these are the good years she's speaking of? She's been a cam model for a while, you'll need to look back 2 years to see her hayday on MFC. As far as I know, she's been on CB for a long while now, probably heavily during the 6 months you're looking at.

Chaturbate. 0.53 hours per day on average. This does nothing to show how 'well' she's done however. Just clarifies if this falls into the 'heavily' category you mentioned.

 

[XxXIndiXxX]

ETA: She was a high earning model. Obvs she meant 400 dollars.

Yeah the more I read it back I'm thinking she's talking $400. The way she put "DROPPED" in capitals sounds like she was shocked her camscore dropped 1000 points even though she was making a lot.
400 tokens an hour and it wouldn't be as shocking, and your cam score would maybe drop more than 1000 if you normally a lot better than 400 tokens/hr. Yeah I know I can't accurately predict cam score fluctuations but that sounds like what she meant by 400/hr when you think about it.

In that case. I'm sorry but no. If you're bitching about making $400/hr you really need some perspective. I don't care if you usually make 10 times that much, there is no part of the world where making $400/hr is a bad thing.

Even 400 tokens an hour is what a lot of people are making in the real world. I understand though, I've had days where I've averaged 400 tokens an hour and felt like crap, but then I had to stop and think that's not far off what I'd be earning if I worked a casual job. Things could be worse.

Yeah it's great to have goals in life and there's nothing wrong with making those goals massive, good for you! But maybe be grateful instead of whinging and more good things will come to you.

P.s this is all assuming she did mean $400/hr lol

 

[Sevrin]

Less than 40 hours in 6 months? I'm not sure what makes this person feel that she's entitled to express an opinion about what it takes to make it on MFC, or anything else about MFC, not that expressing an opinion on the internet has a lot of prerequisites or anything.

Why are you looking at the last 6 months like these are the good years she's speaking of? She's been a cam model for a while, you'll need to look back 2 years to see her hayday on MFC. As far as I know, she's been on CB for a long while now, probably heavily during the 6 months you're looking at.

So why does she feel it necessary to talk about a site she doesn't work on, at all? Why should MFC "give up the ghost" (that means die, in case anyone's not familiar with the phrase) because she didn't find the success she thought she deserved? Was she just looking for attention from CB fanbois?

Last year, she was on cam a bit more than an hour a day, based on a 5-day work week. The previous year was even less. I had never even heard of this model until this thread came up. She's been mentioned on this forum a total of 3 times, once as a beneficiary of the Kitty Kult.

I'm sure she's a nice person and all, but that doesn't mean MFC members owe her a living.

 

[JickyJuly]

Less than 40 hours in 6 months? I'm not sure what makes this person feel that she's entitled to express an opinion about what it takes to make it on MFC, or anything else about MFC, not that expressing an opinion on the internet has a lot of prerequisites or anything.

Why are you looking at the last 6 months like these are the good years she's speaking of? She's been a cam model for a while, you'll need to look back 2 years to see her hayday on MFC. As far as I know, she's been on CB for a long while now, probably heavily during the 6 months you're looking at.

So why does she feel it necessary to talk about a site she doesn't work on, at all? Why should MFC "give up the ghost" (that means die, in case anyone's not familiar with the phrase) because she didn't find the success she thought she deserved? Was she just looking for attention from CB fanbois?

Last year, she was on cam a bit more than an hour a day, based on a 5-day work week. The previous year was even less. I had never even heard of this model until this thread came up. She's been mentioned on this forum a total of 3 times, once as a beneficiary of the Kitty Kult.

I'm sure she's a nice person and all, but that doesn't mean MFC members owe her a living.

She was a pretty well know mfc girl a few years ago. Maybe she's not your type and didn't land on your radar, but she was definitely doing well on mfc for a time, and I think she also does alt-model magazines and that type of thing. I didn't take her note as meaning mfc should die, just that some girls should give up on the idea that if they keep playing the nickel slots, plugging along doing what they're doing, they'll magically become Aspen Rae someday. Her delivery and wording could have used some work, but it really didn't sound entitled to me. Maybe a bit bitter, but we've all worked places that we don't feel warm fuzzies for later.

 

[Meoff_69]

I have to admit that I was kind of shocked when I saw the OP's original post, as it made it's way through the social media circuit. Please understand that I'm trying very hard to respond to this in a rational and fair way, and not in any kind of disrespectful manner. So now that my *disclaimer* is out of the way, here's my :twocents-02cents: ....

I agree that the OP's post could be very discouraging for current and future models. And that's sad. And yes, I personally got somewhat of a sense of entitlement from her, when I read her post. No disrespect intended, but we've seen posts and tweets from models that tell members they need to "step it up" when it comes to tipping. The same can be said of models, when it comes to the entertainment you provide, as well.

To echo Insider's response, members will be attracted to the best "value." But value can mean different things for different people. What I consider "value" with models that I've become friends with, is the repport that we've built while hanging out. Yes, that repport does involve me showing my appreciation for their time and entertainment, through tipping. But it also involves what could be best put as the "customer service" they provide to me. Whenever I see a model say "thank you" for the support she gets from her regulars and tippers alike (even on a bad day/night) that makes me want to continue to tip her. And It makes me smile. Ladies, you have every right to charge whatever amount you feel is worth your time, effort, work, and entertainment. If you don't want to budge on what you charge for your time, then maybe it's time to market your product in several markets, and not just one.

While I won't even pretend to know what it's like to be a cam model, I do know what it's like to be an owner of my own business. I won't bore everyone with a long lesson in the transportation business. But I'll admit I went through something kind of similar, 10 years ago, when I ran my family's trucking company. We leased our trucks on with a larger trucking company (think of it as MFC) and for a while, we made good money. Then, more owner operators caught wind of this company,and leased their equipment on as well. This caused competition within the indpendent ranks and things became cut-throat in terms of the prices that we'd charge. Soon, we were barely able to pay our drivers, let alone ourselves, and we had to move on. But rather than moving all of our equipment over to a new company, we took half of our fleet to a different company (think CB or SM, etc.) What kept us going through tough times was that we were flexible!

I know of one model on this very forum, who consistantly switches back and forth between CB and MFC. She's almost like a fisherman, in the sense that she "goes to where the fish are." I've seen her announce that she'll be on MFC. She logs in, maybe makes 50 tokens in an hour, decides it's not working, and then she moves over to CB. And then, ends up having a good night. Or...vice versa. And the cool part about it is, she always thanks those who have tipped her, before she switches sites or logs off. I guess what I'm trying to say is, maybe the OP wouldn't have been misunderstood so easily, if she took more of a positive "Hey, this isn't working for me here, so I went to CB and am having better luck. But I will still keep my options open for MFC"...approach, instead what she orignally posted.

 

[eclipse76]

ETA: She was a high earning model. Obvs she meant 400 dollars.

Wait, really? But that's rather good as far as camming goes :shock: Why would you whine if you're making that kind of money? It's a bit outrageous. :shock:

 

[KellerGreen]

ETA: She was a high earning model. Obvs she meant 400 dollars.

Wait, really? But that's rather good as far as camming goes :shock: Why would you whine if you're making that kind of money? It's a bit outrageous. :shock:

she isnt whining about making that kind of money, she is using the anecdote to farther prove her feels about the mfc camscore system.

 

[NataliaGrey]

ETA: She was a high earning model. Obvs she meant 400 dollars.

Wait, really? But that's rather good as far as camming goes :shock: Why would you whine if you're making that kind of money? It's a bit outrageous. :shock:

she isnt whining about making that kind of money, she is using the anecdote to farther prove her feels about the mfc camscore system.

But why care about camscore when you're making that kind of money?

Trust me, I get how the whims of camscore can drive a girl to madness, but you would think writing out a sentence like that would give you the time to reflect and put it in perspective. This isn't something she thought while having a bad night, an emotional reaction to seeing it drop. This is a well thought out review of her time on MFC, so it sounds to me like she cared more about her camscore than money. I also don't understand why you would be livid at a mathematical formula. It makes logical sense if you know how it works.

If MFC or any other camsite doesn't work for you, of course you should switch it up! Maybe if it were written with less bitterness people would receive it better.