OnlyFans - Bringing out the friendliness in models

[AudriTwo]

I will say though it would be nice if what I said was quoted and argued with, otherwise what am I responding to? just abstract ideas of what they think I said. It's literally written down

Lol I don't want to, drama queen.

 

[Beawaresweety]

I'm late to the party again...

I've noticed that there's some odd kind of stability on the forum. Almost every month some dude comes to the forum, tells models and members his "unbelievably important" and "absolutely relevant" opinion. Or he spreads "a totally new, purely amazing idea about how to make it work for all models with no exception" because he "knows better".

Then models and members set him straight, he starts acting like "oh, I was just SAYING, y'all don't know how to argue properly, that was just my OPINION, nevermind" or "y'all are shitty, good luck, I'm out" and asks Amber to delete/close the thread or starts acting even sillier than before so Amber bans him on her own.

Just wonderful to observe. I'm happy to be here.

 

[Goblin]

Lets say all I posted was

"I don't like to see anyone getting manipulated, tricked, duped"

Would anyone have had a problem with that? Is that trolling, creepy, a losers opinion

Years ago there used to be a member in a models room everyday, and everyday he would tell her "I'm going now, I don't think I will be back for a while, maybe a couple weeks " and the model would say "awww ok well that's a shame, hope you can come back soon"

You know when he came back? the next day, everyday

He was manipulating a reaction, pretending he wouldn't be back because he liked the attention, he liked making her sad to feel cared about

Ultimately is him manipulating a sad response to feel cared about hurting anyone? In his personal life I would guess definitely, but probably not with the model because I'm sure the she was more than aware what he was doing, but it still bothered me to see

But that's an aside

Maybe I did approach my initial post too flippantly, a bit too sarcastic, I haven't been on ACF in a long time I guess I didn't fully appreciate the tone of the forum and how sensitive just using the word "model" combined with any type of negativity would be received

I thought it was obvious I wasn't lumping all models together, just commenting on very specific behaviour of a few people who just happened to be models

Maybe this isn't the place for venting things

It's a great place if you want to be misunderstood and named called though, I really genuine wish that my fetish because I would have had a whale of a time

 

[AudriTwo]

 

[Goblin]

I think the thread has been done to exhaustion and I can't explain any better:

• My intention when posting
• Who I specifically talking about
• How bothered I actually am
• How I feel about the replies

 

[AudriTwo]

Lol if you want it to be done, stop replying, drama queen. Stop coming to check your dumpster fire of a thread and desperately respond to every post, including the obvious shit postings.

What is up with OPs trying to Jedi mind trick that thread is over because it didn't go the way they liked it?

Thread isn't over, Bucko.

 

[EdenUk]

Wait. Are you from the U.K. goblin? Pretty sure I remember a guy on MFC as a room regular when I was on MFC with the same name and profile picture.

 

[KariLove]

On MFC models didn't need anyone else, at the top it seemed very cutthroat, top models kept themselves to themselves on social media

**Introduce OnlyFans ** models on twitter: omg I love all my other SW'er girlies!! so amazing!!!

Oh I wonder why so many top models suddenly love every other model? ohhh is it because you want RT's and to help you get new OnlFans subs? ahhh

Don't get me wrong, it makes total sense that you should all RT each other and help each other grow if you can, it's just the total personality shifts and fakeness that has gone along with it that's so unsavoury

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed this OnlyFans Phenomenon - exposure may induce eye rolling

Just a new way to move your name.

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

Maybe I did approach my initial post too flippantly, a bit too sarcastic, I haven't been on ACF in a long time I guess I didn't fully appreciate the tone of the forum and how sensitive just using the word "model" combined with any type of negativity would be received

You still don't get it, dude. People aren't mad because you had the "audacity" to say something negative about models; we're not children. It's like I said earlier:

While I absolutely have heard stories of people pretending to be friends with models for clout, it's not that common and it's mostly really new models who don't know how to build a following yet who do that. I can count on one hand the number of top models who actively cause drama; it's not professional and not a good way to run a business. I think the main issue people take with this is the idea that top models are "cutthroat." There's a difference between being competitive and being cutthroat and the latter has a significantly more negative connotation. Also, the idea that it's inherently wrong to change the way you present your brand when changing to a completely different platform. There's absolutely nothing wrong with rebranding, and someone going from being rude to other models to being friendly with them sounds like a win to me.

You can frame it as not liking manipulation, or whatever, but the fact that you're so bothered by LESS fighting within the industry is kinda weird. (And don't start with that "I'm not bothered" bullshit, if so you would have quietly bowed out a long time ago.)

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

EDIT: Don't know why this posted twice.

 

[Goblin]

You still don't get it, dude. People aren't mad because you had the "audacity" to say something negative about models; we're not children. It's like I said earlier:

Firstly, thanks for actually taking issue with what I've said and not spinning anything

I think the main issue people take with this is the idea that top models are "cutthroat." There's a difference between being competitive and being cutthroat and the latter has a significantly more negative connotation.

A few top models over the years have come across like they would throw anyone under the bus to move a rank up Miss MFC, but again there's a lot of money at stake and Miss MFC system does build a competitive "me vs them" attitude, a few top models seem to attach a lot of their self-esteem to the number they can reach

If you don't feel like this is the case, I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude but it's naive

^ Like it's naive not to think what I'm saying in my initial post is happening (this is directed @ all not you Lizzy)

Also, the idea that it's inherently wrong to change the way you present your brand when changing to a completely different platform. There's absolutely nothing wrong with rebranding, and someone going from being rude to other models to being friendly with them sounds like a win to me.

That's fine if you feel like that, not for me to say what you should have issues with

You can frame it as not liking manipulation, or whatever, but the fact that you're so bothered by LESS fighting within the industry is kinda weird. (And don't start with that "I'm not bothered" bullshit, if so you would have quietly bowed out a long time ago.)

It's not about fighting, some models just kept themselves to themselves until other sw'ers became useful

And don't start with that "I'm not bothered" bullshit, if so you would have quietly bowed out a long time ago.

My replies are nothing to do with the initial topic

How bothered are you about someone leaving the milk out of the fridge? it's an eye roll, you smell it, you put it back in

If you posted "god I hate when my husband leaves the milk out" and people replied "wow you're fucking loser dude, you creep, wow not all men the leave milk out, TROLL, why are you so obsessed with mens behaviour? you need to get a life"

Then you feel like you have to try and clarify "what? no I'm not saying all men leave the.." "WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY AT JUST MILK BEING LEFT OUT
IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL"

 

[Goblin]

Wait. Are you from the U.K. goblin? Pretty sure I remember a guy on MFC as a room regular when I was on MFC with the same name and profile picture.

If you're only pretty sure you have a bad memory

 

[Danigirl]

 

[AudriTwo]

It's not about fighting, some models just kept themselves to themselves until other sw'ers became useful

How do you know? Are you in their brain? Did they specifically tell you their plans on being fake friends with other SWs? Because it sounds a lot like speculating they are using other models.

People change their bad behaviors all the time and most of them aren't changing for nefarious reasons. I think you are manufacturing most of this, because you are speculating their intentions for now being more friendly with other SWs.

This whole fucking thread is laughable. The models are being nice to each other now!?1?1
OP:

 

[Mila_]

Firstly, thanks for actually taking issue with what I've said and not spinning anything

I think the main issue people take with this is the idea that top models are "cutthroat." There's a difference between being competitive and being cutthroat and the latter has a significantly more negative connotation.

A few top models over the years have come across like they would throw anyone under the bus to move a rank up Miss MFC, but again there's a lot of money at stake and Miss MFC system does build a competitive "me vs them" attitude, a few top models seem to attach a lot of their self-esteem to the number they can reach

If you don't feel like this is the case, I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude but it's naive

^ Like it's naive not to think what I'm saying in my initial post is happening (this is directed @ all not you Lizzy)

Also, the idea that it's inherently wrong to change the way you present your brand when changing to a completely different platform. There's absolutely nothing wrong with rebranding, and someone going from being rude to other models to being friendly with them sounds like a win to me.

That's fine if you feel like that, not for me to say what you should have issues with



It's not about fighting, some models just kept themselves to themselves until other sw'ers became useful

And don't start with that "I'm not bothered" bullshit, if so you would have quietly bowed out a long time ago.

My replies are nothing to do with the initial topic

How bothered are you about someone leaving the milk out of the fridge? it's an eye roll, you smell it, you put it back in

If you posted "god I hate when my husband leaves the milk out" and people replied "wow you're fucking loser dude, you creep, wow not all men the leave milk out, TROLL, why are you so obsessed with mens behaviour? you need to get a life"

Then you feel like you have to try and clarify "what? no I'm not saying all men leave the.." "WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY AT JUST MILK BEING LEFT OUT
IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL"

I personally agree with your perception to a degree. This is the pattern that I see:

1) Even camgirls who are friends will very rarely promote each other on social media or even in their own profiles because camgirls depend on tips and there is a limited number of tippers on any given site so when you promote a friend you risk the very real possibility that one of your tippers will stop visiting you and become a regular of your friend hurting your bottom line and the friendship in the process. The times I see camgirls promoting each other it's either done out of mutual accord behind the scenes and between 2 models in the same level of success, OR a less popular model will suck up to more popular ones publicly hoping for a "like" or a RT to gain exposure back and it isn't always a successful, the popular models will rarely respond. The times a popular camgirl goes ahead and decides to promote less popular friends, the friends will often take advantage of the situation, drop her the minute they feel like they have nothing else to gain, and proceed to badmouth her and diminish her publicly simply to hide the real reason behind the split... This is when the popular model realises the friendship was simply a ruse for clout. This happened to me a bunch of times last year when -for the first time ever- I decided to reach out to my peers. Eventually I learned a valuable lesson in human nature and thus stopped promoting friendly acquaintances. A true friendship is not based on a foundation of money and marketing, you can't help others at your own expense, it just isn't sustainable and it attracts the psychopaths and machiavellian types to your life. If you are talking specifically about MFC's high ranked models.. well.. Miss MFC is all about rallying your supporters so my take is fabricating a fight works great for them. Can't relate.

2) This is the opposite of what happens with escorts. If you follow high end escorts on twitter you will often find them promoting and gushing over one another. The reason is they don't necessarily have a "front page" where clients find them, if they are high end they know their clients wont find them via sketchy websites and they have to rely on one another and networking to find new bookings. They are also incredibly symmetrical, when one escort promotes a friend, the friend promotes her back instantly and in the same measure. It is a kind of symbiosis from a business perspective where both partners hope to get new clients from the other. In the case of high end escorts they tend to do this also when they tour, because they visit cities they wont be staying in so the friend who promotes them doesn't feel her business threatened and viceversa.

3) Onlyfans is a lot more like escorting in terms of marketing than camsites. As of today Onlyfans does not have a front page, people "stumble" upon girls and decide to sub. Most people are subbed to multiple girls and they don't stick for long, opting rather for subbing for a month, unsubbing, subbing again 3 months later when the TL has "refreshed" so if a guy is subbed to you he can sub to someone else and that doesn't necessarily mean you are losing business, which makes girls more inclined to promote each other. When you promote someone like this it is much more effective to hint at the idea that there is a link between you and the person you are promoting so the members feel its natural for you to speak about them. Otherwise it feels like a simple ad and nobody clicks. I am guessing this is why they gush about each other and their beautiful friendship instead of simply posting a link with a pic and a slugline. This doesn't mean there aren't genuine friendships in the mix and that it is only business related... I have never promoted anybody and have had nobody promote me, but I do have some real camgirl friends I love that I would have 0 issues promoting because I think their content is awesome, my members would enjoy it, I want to see them succeed, and we actually do have a history together.

Now... the issue with your posts is that you see an issue with this. It is obvious people will use the tools they need to use to market or promote themselves however they see fit and camgirls are first and foremost running a business. Some are more authentic than others, some take routes others wouldn't, but that doesn't mean it isn't ultimately a way for them to make a living and promoting each other is a valid tactic. The fact that you pay so much attention to what models do in social media and how they treat each other only goes to show you probably spend way too much time on this and it also conjures for me the mental picture of a peeping tom hiding in the bushes with a pair of binoculars. You don't just observe other people, silently judging moves that have 0 to do with you.. if you do this and you aren't a 65 year old lady you are creepy.. a creep. That's what it feels to me, someone who has so much spare time and who cares enough to write about it sounds like someone without a job, a social circle or any hobbies, a wanker basically.

 

[Goblin]

How do you know? Are you in their brain? Did they specifically tell you their plans on being fake friends with other SWs? Because it sounds a lot like speculating they are using other models.

Lets say I don't know specifically anyone, lets remove that entirely, lets just talk in generality

Do you think that now OnlyFans exists and that promoting it on social media is useful, some models (male or female) would adopt more "friendly" personas (at least outwardly) than they otherwise would have previously for the purpose of befriending and using other SW'ers to promote their content for them?

The answer is 100% yes, that is happening

Now whether you find people changing their personalities for the purpose of using others a problem is your own personal thing, you can certainly be of the opinion "well that's just business?" - "that's just them doing what they need to do to promote?" or as you said "People change their bad behaviors all the time and most of them aren't changing for nefarious reasons"

That is totally fine, but lets not pretend it's not happening and me saying it is absurd/hateful or means I must hate models being friends

 

[Goblin]

@Mila_

I liked everything about your post until the last paragraph lol but thanks the thoughtful response

 

[AudriTwo]

That is totally fine, but lets not pretend it's not happening and me saying it is absurd/hateful or means I must hate models being friends

Dude you really want to gossip about this. That's why I'm saying this thread is absurd. You want to gossip about models now being nice with each other and no longer having internet catfights for the ranking.

Btw I never said you are hateful, only a drama queen.

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

Dude you really want to gossip about this. That's why I'm saying this thread is absurd. You want to gossip about models now being nice with each other and no longer having internet catfights for the ranking.

Btw I never said you are hateful, only a drama queen.

Apparently even when we’re friendly with each other we’re being catty.

 

[Goblin]

You want to gossip about models now being nice with each other and no longer having internet catfights for the ranking.

No I don't want to gossip and I'm not bothered about drama

You would have to take my word for that though and I don't think you will do that so not worth arguing over

@Lizzy_Beth back to assuming because I used the words "models" I meant all models, we're going backwards

 

[LilyPink]

lol

 

[AudriTwo]

No I don't want to gossip and I'm not bothered about drama

You would have to take my word for that though and I don't think you will do that so not worth arguing over

@Lizzy_Beth back to assuming because I used the words "models" I meant all models, we're going backwards

That's what you are doing, intentional or not. you are gossiping about women no longer acting publicly competitive with one another or now becoming social with other models. If you weren't bothered, then this topic wouldn't come up. You are going as far as accusing them of being manipulative and using other models.

I don't like to see people manipulating others

Which how would you know, other than that is an assumption?

 

[Alisa]

All I see is a man complaining about business women using business tactics to move their businesses higher to the top. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How DARE they change their behavior and attitude to the one that makes them more money!

Shhh, nobody tell the poor guy most things people do in the world for their businesses are fabricated to help them succeed faster and better.

 

[Goblin]

All I see is a man complaining about business women using business tactics to move their businesses higher to the top. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How DARE they change their behavior and attitude to the one that makes them more money!

Shhh, nobody tell the poor guy most things people do in the world for their businesses are fabricated to help them succeed faster and better.

There are some openly called out model taboos, feel free to tell me if I'm wrong

• Watching a models room and messaging their tippers
• Liking another models tweet replies to get noticed

I was sure I had more when I started but I'm drawing a blank.. you would know better than me; I think it boils down to sneakily trying to benefit from what another model has built without their consent

Is this fair so far? those things are openly frowned upon and it's not controversial to point them out

But saying putting on a fake persona and manipulating yourself into a friendship to benefit from what another models has built is "a man complaining about business women using business tactics"

I guess the difference is the model has given their consent and is willingly RT'ing for them, it's not as black and white as the two things I listed above and you would hope there's more of a mutually beneficial relationship going on

Can I ask you an honest question?

I appreciate I haven't come across well in this thread, it's fair to say you might have an unfavourable opinion of me

Say I started an OnlyFans and then you saw sw'ers RT'ing me and saying "Goblin is such a blessing to the SW'er community! go Sub to this angels Onlyfans"

Wouldn't you see that and internally go "Blessing?.. Angel?! what bs has he been telling them :S this isn't the same person I experienced on ACF, why are they helping that idiot"

Would you guess I'd duped them into thinking I was something I wasn't? would that sit well with you? or would you say to yourself "great businessman"

 

[Goblin]

That's what you are doing, intentional or not. you are gossiping about women no longer acting publicly competitive with one another or now becoming social with other models. If you weren't bothered, then this topic wouldn't come up. You are going as far as accusing them of being manipulative and using other models.

Gossip needs names no? or least a hint? I'm talking about a behaviour not any individuals

It would be 100% wrong, unfair and ridiculous for me to to talk about any individuals because as you say..

Which how would you know, other than that is an assumption?

I just have an opinion, could be wrong, but it is 100% happening even if the times I've thought it's happening are mistaken

 

[Alisa]

Would you guess I'd duped them into thinking I was something I wasn't? would that sit well with you? or would you say to yourself "great businessman"

I would not guess at all because I would not care a single bit what others do and would not dwell on it even for a second because it is LITERALLY none of my business.

 

[Goblin]

I would not guess at all because I would not care a single bit what others do and would not dwell on it even for a second because it is LITERALLY none of my business.

That's fair and I appreciate that

I don't need anything to me about me directly to have an opinion on it, not that that means I would get involved, just internally you know

Well, I might go as far as to share said opinion on a forum but I've learned that's more trouble that it's worth

 

[JoleneBrody]

I swear some people are just looking for ANYTHING to judge and dislike the models they follow for.

I can not believe this bothered OP enough to not only post about, but start an entire new thread topic about

 

[AmberCutie]

I can not believe this bothered OP enough to not only post about, but start an entire new thread topic about

I think that's why people are perplexed enough to reply the way they have.

 

[Finchomatic]

I'm just here in this thread now to post these three dots

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