Reality check

[OtakuJack1987]

Just because she gave you a copy of the video doesn't mean you're allowed to post it. She didn't give you the video, she gave you a non transferable license to view the video. Posting it makes you liable for damages and a court battle would award her with potentially thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. There's case law (yes, even if you never saw or agreed to a license, there's case law). Seriously, just because she gave it to you doesn't mean you can post it online. Even if you think there's no reason not to post, there's still a thing called being a decent guy. This is her job after all. It's one thing if it's a video of her in free chat or even private, it's another if it's a video she sells. Especially in a court case, that's real monetary damage. Luckily for you, she probably won't go that route. But still. Of course if you fuck with the wrong people with these international girls on here that work for studios then you might end up in an action film staring Bruce Willis. That or a studio could state it's work for hire and litigate on the models behalf and thus protecting her from any public oversight.
Basically you're admitting to being an ass AND admitting that if litigation were to happen that you're guilty as sin.

I'm just very fortunate that she has decided not to take me to court, and I am admitting that I'm guilty of the crime.

 

[Sevrin]

Um, yeah.

Anywho, I'd just like to mention that profiles are easily visible to people in your blocked area, including photos.

 

[Classy]

I agree with what everyone has said!...
...There was a model that gave me some of her videos as presents for buying stuff off of her wishlists on Amazon and I uploaded one of those videos onto a porn site and she found out about it somehow and went absolutely ballistic!...

...Overreacting and being like "Oh my God, somebody uploaded a video I gave them onto a porn site! I'm going to get it deleted!" as well as acting like you're an immature teenager instead of acting the age that you say you are absolutely isn't going to help you out either....

She gave that to you as a present...wtf. It was for you, not for anyone else. You mention her immaturity, but seriously, you came across as a stupid big spoiled kid with a chip on your shoulder in everything you said there....I hope I don't have the misfortune of meeting you one day.

I'm not a fan of "me too" posts on forums, but... I'm with Fluffy on this one - not cool, dude. Only upside is that maybe models will see this and realise how some guys treat something they receive and perhaps something positive can come of it.

At least you admitted what you did...

 

[Mirra]

I'm not a fan of "me too" posts on forums, but... I'm with Fluffy on this one - not cool, dude. Only upside is that maybe models will see this and realise how some guys treat something they receive and perhaps something positive can come of it.

At least you admitted what you did...

I'm actually rather worried about that very thing. I would never do something like that and I am pretty sure quite a few of us (premiums on this forum) are equally disgusted by such actions. If this leads to a higher degree of caution, that's one thing but if it leads to a backlash of distrust towards premiums due to this one premium's actions, that would truly make me sad.

And yes I know, he is not alone which is why I can understand the need for a high level of caution.

 

[AmberCutie]

I agree with what everyone has said! Once something is out there on the internet, it is there forever unless it is deleted. There was a model that gave me some of her videos as presents for buying stuff off of her wishlists on Amazon and I uploaded one of those videos onto a porn site and she found out about it somehow and went absolutely ballistic!

She then emailed the site and had the video taken down!

If she didn't want me uploading that video, then she shouldn't have given it to me as a present for getting something off of her Amazon wishlist in the first place! The video gets taken down, but it's going to end up coming back somewhere else on another site, regardless of the fact of if it's another porn site or on the torrents.

Overreacting and being like "Oh my God, somebody uploaded a video I gave them onto a porn site! I'm going to get it deleted!" as well as acting like you're an immature teenager instead of acting the age that you say you are absolutely isn't going to help you out either!

Once something is out there on the internet, it's on the internet FOREVER and you can get the image or video taken down off of one site, but chances are that it's going to come back on another site or end up on the torrent sites.

Yeah you kinda put your foot in your mouth on this one, dear. SURE we are all in agreement that girls who do camming should know that their shit gets posted all around... but as Keithy said, we also expect the people we talk to and interact with on MFC (or whatever cam site) to be decent and not be the one's actually posting our stuff. She gave it to you as a gift to watch, not post around the nets for other pervs to watch.

 

[Sevrin]

Aye, that is kind of like saying to your buddy in the foxhole "we could get shot out here" and then shooting him. Whatever happened to honour among pervs?

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I agree with what everyone has said! Once something is out there on the internet, it is there forever unless it is deleted. There was a model that gave me some of her videos as presents for buying stuff off of her wishlists on Amazon and I uploaded one of those videos onto a porn site and she found out about it somehow and went absolutely ballistic!

She then emailed the site and had the video taken down!

If she didn't want me uploading that video, then she shouldn't have given it to me as a present for getting something off of her Amazon wishlist in the first place! The video gets taken down, but it's going to end up coming back somewhere else on another site, regardless of the fact of if it's another porn site or on the torrents.

Overreacting and being like "Oh my God, somebody uploaded a video I gave them onto a porn site! I'm going to get it deleted!" as well as acting like you're an immature teenager instead of acting the age that you say you are absolutely isn't going to help you out either!

Once something is out there on the internet, it's on the internet FOREVER and you can get the image or video taken down off of one site, but chances are that it's going to come back on another site or end up on the torrent sites.

Oh my fucking God, Jack. How stupid are you? What the fuck gave you the right to post her gift to you on the internet? It was video just for YOU. Not for the entire Internet, but for YOU.

If she didn't want me uploading that video, then she shouldn't have given it to me as a present

This line alone makes me think that you should have your cock shot off to ensure that you don't breed more stupidity into the world. Giving you that video does not give you license to show it off to the whole fucking world.

So I don't blame the model in question for flipping out. When any model gives you anything, whether as a gift or as something you paid for; there is an unspoken agreement that you will NOT share that gift with anyone else. It doesn't matter if it's a gift from that model or Amber's pictures. By doing what you did, you violated that agreement.

And so by admitting to this, even if you do admit to being in the wrong yourself; you've given every model who browses these forums a reason to never give you anything even if you pay for it. Because you've outed yourself as someone who can not be trusted.

/soapbox

 

[Keithy]

As much as I hate the DMCA, you can send DMCA take down request if you see your videos on other sites. Assuming it's user posted content that's about as far as it's usually taken. If it's not, then you can sue, assuming you want your private info to be public record (which is probably the biggest issue protecting people that post these)

 

[Jebbaz]

I love this thread, Bawksy you brilliant troll. You have the ability to get people stirred up by telling the truth, the mark of a brilliant mind.

My 2 cents, brief and quick.

Absolutely nothing you put on the internet is safe. I don't give a flying fuck how safe you THINK you are, somebody out there knows exactly how to get to your private info. Sure you can take preventative measures, but if someone wants your info bad enough, there is nothing that will stop them from getting it. Scary? Damn right its scary, but its the internet, and its best to know what you are in to.

 

[bawksy]

I love this thread, Bawksy you brilliant troll.

LAWL I can't believe Ambar stickied it

 

[LadyLuna]

Absolutely nothing put on the internet is safe. Sure you can take preventative measures, but if someone wants info bad enough, there is nothing that will stop them from getting it.

And with how much of the census is public record posted online...

(yes, I made it more generic. Because the scary thing to me isn't what I put on the internet, but what others put on there about me... I had one friend from high school who didn't bat an eye about saying exactly where he lives and what his real name is, and it took me awhile to get him to see why I didn't want mine there. I believe it actually took an irc stalker...)

 

[FifthElephant]

Absolutely nothing put on the internet is safe. Sure you can take preventative measures, but if someone wants info bad enough, there is nothing that will stop them from getting it.

And with how much of the census is public record posted online...

(yes, I made it more generic. Because the scary thing to me isn't what I put on the internet, but what others put on there about me...

Many people don't realise how much information they are leaking.

The most important thing is to consider _all_ the possible datasources about you, and what you can get when you put them together.

It's pretty obvious that providing your full address is bad, but combining other data can give this.

For example - speaking about a model.

You have a birthday, and reveal your age.
This gives date of birth.
Combined with your area, and your first name, which may also leak, this may be enough to find you, on public records - voters rolls, credit records.

If I was starting out as a model (which is at this point unlikely) start out with a completely 'clean sheet' identity.

Make up a birthday, or at least throw off your age by one year.
Pick a 'real' name to use for all correspondence, and only ever use it for model related stuff. Use a town one to the left, ideally that you know a bit, but not one you've lived in.

Have your fake name and birthday and ... somewhere you will see it every day, so you remember it, and the reasons for it.

Never refer to anything you mention on your MFC identity from your 'real' one.
Don't retweet messages, mention anything you did, or ...

Don't link to the same cool tracks or sites or ... from both profiles.

Ideally you want it so someone that knows your MFC identity reasonably well can come across your civilian profile, and not realise it's you.

Never mention any news or events that may be tied to you, or your real location..
For example - 'I fell over a massive pothole' is fine - but 'I won that compensation case after I fell over a massive pothole' may not be - if court records are searchable.

Similarly 'my neighbours house caught fire', will often be in the news in some form, and let people narrow down where you live.

Maybe I'm just too paranoid.

 

[AmberCutie]

I love this thread, Bawksy you brilliant troll.

LAWL I can't believe Ambar stickied it

I should have stickied it a long time ago, actually. It's something all newcomers should read before posting new threads/replies elsewhere about girls having their vids posted around the web.

 

[Sevrin]

I love this thread, Bawksy you brilliant troll.

LAWL I can't believe Ambar stickied it

I should have stickied it a long time ago, actually. It's something all newcomers should read before posting new threads/replies elsewhere about girls having their vids posted around the web.

Pplz post vidz on teh web? Gotta mkae a tread to warn dem!

/brb

 

[AmberCutie]

Many people don't realise how much information they are leaking.

The most important thing is to consider _all_ the possible datasources about you, and what you can get when you put them together.

It's pretty obvious that providing your full address is bad, but combining other data can give this.

For example - speaking about a model.

You have a birthday, and reveal your age.
This gives date of birth.
Combined with your area, and your first name, which may also leak, this may be enough to find you, on public records - voters rolls, credit records.

If I was starting out as a model (which is at this point unlikely) start out with a completely 'clean sheet' identity.

Make up a birthday, or at least throw off your age by one year.
Pick a 'real' name to use for all correspondence, and only ever use it for model related stuff. Use a town one to the left, ideally that you know a bit, but not one you've lived in.

Have your fake name and birthday and ... somewhere you will see it every day, so you remember it, and the reasons for it.

Never refer to anything you mention on your MFC identity from your 'real' one.
Don't retweet messages, mention anything you did, or ...

Don't link to the same cool tracks or sites or ... from both profiles.

Ideally you want it so someone that knows your MFC identity reasonably well can come across your civilian profile, and not realise it's you.

Never mention any news or events that may be tied to you, or your real location..
For example - 'I fell over a massive pothole' is fine - but 'I won that compensation case after I fell over a massive pothole' may not be - if court records are searchable.

Similarly 'my neighbours house caught fire', will often be in the news in some form, and let people narrow down where you live.

Maybe I'm just too paranoid.

This is the mentality that I went in with. There have been a few models who question why I keep some things so very secretive, but it doesn't hurt to be super safe.

 

[Jebbaz]

Absolutely nothing put on the internet is safe. Sure you can take preventative measures, but if someone wants info bad enough, there is nothing that will stop them from getting it.

And with how much of the census is public record posted online...

(yes, I made it more generic. Because the scary thing to me isn't what I put on the internet, but what others put on there about me...

Many people don't realise how much information they are leaking.

The most important thing is to consider _all_ the possible datasources about you, and what you can get when you put them together.

It's pretty obvious that providing your full address is bad, but combining other data can give this.

For example - speaking about a model.

You have a birthday, and reveal your age.
This gives date of birth.
Combined with your area, and your first name, which may also leak, this may be enough to find you, on public records - voters rolls, credit records.

If I was starting out as a model (which is at this point unlikely) start out with a completely 'clean sheet' identity.

Make up a birthday, or at least throw off your age by one year.
Pick a 'real' name to use for all correspondence, and only ever use it for model related stuff. Use a town one to the left, ideally that you know a bit, but not one you've lived in.

Have your fake name and birthday and ... somewhere you will see it every day, so you remember it, and the reasons for it.

Never refer to anything you mention on your MFC identity from your 'real' one.
Don't retweet messages, mention anything you did, or ...

Don't link to the same cool tracks or sites or ... from both profiles.

Ideally you want it so someone that knows your MFC identity reasonably well can come across your civilian profile, and not realise it's you.

Never mention any news or events that may be tied to you, or your real location..
For example - 'I fell over a massive pothole' is fine - but 'I won that compensation case after I fell over a massive pothole' may not be - if court records are searchable.

Similarly 'my neighbours house caught fire', will often be in the news in some form, and let people narrow down where you live.

Maybe I'm just too paranoid.

 

[Mirra]

Bringing it to the Stalker level, I know a lot of information about me is out there but I really don't care that much. While guys do get stalked, I believe it is significantly less prevalent and I believe I am an unlikely candidate on top of that. Well except for the fact that there are like... 3 MFC models who totally stalk me. They've sent threatening mail to my house and everything.

 

[bawksy]

Reminds me of when NaughtyAmberX told the chat that her uncle just killed a guy in a DUI accident, it took me about 3 minutes to Google up a local news station and figure out who he was.

 

[Keithy]

Bringing it to the Stalker level, I know a lot of information about me is out there but I really don't care that much. While guys do get stalked, I believe it is significantly less prevalent and I believe I am an unlikely candidate on top of that. Well except for the fact that there are like... 3 MFC models who totally stalk me. They've sent threatening mail to my house and everything.

That is awesome.
Not as awesome as Amber yelling at me in PM for not being in her room when she was drunk though.

 

[Jebbaz]

Bringing it to the Stalker level, I know a lot of information about me is out there but I really don't care that much. While guys do get stalked, I believe it is significantly less prevalent and I believe I am an unlikely candidate on top of that. Well except for the fact that there are like... 3 MFC models who totally stalk me. They've sent threatening mail to my house and everything.

That is awesome.
Not as awesome as Amber yelling at me in PM for not being in her room when she was drunk though.

Do you have screen caps? That'd be awesome.

 

[AmberCutie]

Bringing it to the Stalker level, I know a lot of information about me is out there but I really don't care that much. While guys do get stalked, I believe it is significantly less prevalent and I believe I am an unlikely candidate on top of that. Well except for the fact that there are like... 3 MFC models who totally stalk me. They've sent threatening mail to my house and everything.

That is awesome.
Not as awesome as Amber yelling at me in PM for not being in her room when she was drunk though.

Do you have screen caps? That'd be awesome.

Lulz... hopefully we will enjoy a drunk Ambah on MFC again one day soon. So that I can have an excuse for harassing my favorite MFCers via PM.

 

[Mirra]

Lulz... hopefully we will enjoy a drunk Ambah on MFC again one day soon. So that I can have an excuse for harassing my favorite MFCers via PM.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but it occurs to me I was not harrassed on the last Drunk Ambah night. >_>










And just to make it clear, I'm just teasing Amber with this post.

 

[salmaherrick]

Great post, bawksy!

Before I rattle on, I guess I should sorta introduce myself.....

Howdy! I go by Salma online when I am involved in anything remotely pervy. Hahaha. Just signed up with the forum and digging it so far!

Shame on you, Jack! I will leave it at that since the other ladies and gents already admonished you for your post and your logic behind why you felt it was ok to post the video that was given to YOU as a gift no less.

Back to the topic at hand and speaking of how it's possible for anything you do to get on the net.....

I mostly do fetish and domination based stuff. I have various clip stores and one in particular deals with sneezing fetishes. Hahaha. I know it's different and out there! Anyhow, this guy buys like 19 clips and then turns around and does a chargeback. I am highly irritated because he obviously didn't have an issue with one not playing and wanting a refund. That's a whole ton of vid clips to purchase if you were not satisfied in the course of two days and a pretty douchebag thing to want your funds back after viewing them.

So then this ass turns around and after stealing them more or less.....
Well he then decides to post them on Youtube on his private channel which had maybe 200 plus subscribers. Ugh! They took them down after a week or so but I did see a drop in sales that week in that particular clip store.

Sorry this was long winded. Hahaha. Moral of the story....I figure if a clip of me...or any chick...sneezing...hahahaha...can get lifted and posted on a site as HUGE as Youtube...you can bet anything you put out there isn't truly safe.

 

[Keithy]

Great post, bawksy!

Before I rattle on, I guess I should sorta introduce myself.....

Howdy! I go by Salma online when I am involved in anything remotely pervy. Hahaha. Just signed up with the forum and digging it so far!

Shame on you, Jack! I will leave it at that since the other ladies and gents already admonished you for your post and your logic behind why you felt it was ok to post the video that was given to YOU as a gift no less.

Back to the topic at hand and speaking of how it's possible for anything you do to get on the net.....

I mostly do fetish and domination based stuff. I have various clip stores and one in particular deals with sneezing fetishes. Hahaha. I know it's different and out there! Anyhow, this guy buys like 19 clips and then turns around and does a chargeback. I am highly irritated because he obviously didn't have an issue with one not playing and wanting a refund. That's a whole ton of vid clips to purchase if you were not satisfied in the course of two days and a pretty douchebag thing to want your funds back after viewing them.

So then this ass turns around and after stealing them more or less.....
Well he then decides to post them on Youtube on his private channel which had maybe 200 plus subscribers. Ugh! They took them down after a week or so but I did see a drop in sales that week in that particular clip store.

Sorry this was long winded. Hahaha. Moral of the story....I figure if a clip of me...or any chick...sneezing...hahahaha...can get lifted and posted on a site as HUGE as Youtube...you can bet anything you put out there isn't truly safe.

You should be able to contact the credit company that issued the charge-back and dispute it. I think the fact that he took a digital format video and kept it and then posted it online would get the charges reinstated. Possibly get him flagged and prevented from doing it in the future too.

 

[salmaherrick]

Great post, bawksy!

Before I rattle on, I guess I should sorta introduce myself.....

Howdy! I go by Salma online when I am involved in anything remotely pervy. Hahaha. Just signed up with the forum and digging it so far!

Shame on you, Jack! I will leave it at that since the other ladies and gents already admonished you for your post and your logic behind why you felt it was ok to post the video that was given to YOU as a gift no less.

Back to the topic at hand and speaking of how it's possible for anything you do to get on the net.....

I mostly do fetish and domination based stuff. I have various clip stores and one in particular deals with sneezing fetishes. Hahaha. I know it's different and out there! Anyhow, this guy buys like 19 clips and then turns around and does a chargeback. I am highly irritated because he obviously didn't have an issue with one not playing and wanting a refund. That's a whole ton of vid clips to purchase if you were not satisfied in the course of two days and a pretty douchebag thing to want your funds back after viewing them.

So then this ass turns around and after stealing them more or less.....
Well he then decides to post them on Youtube on his private channel which had maybe 200 plus subscribers. Ugh! They took them down after a week or so but I did see a drop in sales that week in that particular clip store.

Sorry this was long winded. Hahaha. Moral of the story....I figure if a clip of me...or any chick...sneezing...hahahaha...can get lifted and posted on a site as HUGE as Youtube...you can bet anything you put out there isn't truly safe.

You should be able to contact the credit company that issued the charge-back and dispute it. I think the fact that he took a digital format video and kept it and then posted it online would get the charges reinstated. Possibly get him flagged and prevented from doing it in the future too.

I was told by the site that runs the clipstores or does the billing that there wasn't much I could do. That it would of cost me more to pursue it legally. Basically, I was told that the parents of this 19 year old kid called the CC company saying their son used their CC and were disputing the charges. If that was my kid, I would of beat his ass for stealing first of all....then made him pay for it...not hold some merchant that obviously delivered the goods accountable....but that's just me. Maybe they were upset to find out he had a sneezing fetish? Who knows....

I did notice that after a week the guy's youtube thing got shut down and this sneezing fetish forum (members on there actually let me know my stuff was on youtube) banned him yet again (I guess he has done similar things in the past) when they heard about it from me in a thread regarding chargebacks. Other then this, he got away with it and will probably do it again to other girls.....

 

[Bocefish]

Sneezing fetish??

Wish I could off on such random everyday shit like that. :lol:

 

[Keithy]

So basically they admitted their son committed fraud and needs to go to jail. But the Credit Card company, rather than reporting it to the police helped defraud you. Nice.

 

[CamGirlsUnlimited]

Most of you know of my site... Ummm...

There is a LOT of legality into the issue of tube sites and tube sites are becoming a promotional tool for many cam websites. Flirt4Free just launched their OWN tube site months ago with recordings of model's shows for free to view, with links to their cam site.

Many cam sites (99%) have affiliation or webmaster links that give website builders tools (iFrames, banners, photos and videos and MORE) of ALL their models that allow webmasters to use FREE.

Here is where I am different... I LISTEN to the models. My site was created BY models! I could show you THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of videos available for me to use LEGALLY, some from members here. What you all think is invasion of privacy and illegal to use without your permission was given up to the cam sites when you signed agreements. Even MFC had MFC-TV for a while.

As a former copyright and business attorney, I assure you that MANY sites do post images ILLEGALLY, but all you need to do is send the site a DMCA claim. The courts recognize DMCA claims... Just sending an email threatening lawsuit and using attorneys is bullshit! Really it is! I will help ANY model get her videos deleted from ANY website LEGALLY and effectively!

The "reality check"... ANYONE can use your video under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 using the Fair Use clause, and I have been successful MANY times in court of this. Especially when the person complaining sends a first email cussing and threatening bodily harm and legal lawsuit... Bla bla bla. Sorry, but it is the facts and the LAW.

Now, I am a nice guy and most here see me helping AlexLady. If AlexLady sent me a message today and said "Stop using my video and stop promoting me", I would. Just to be nice. I don;t LEGALLY have to stop, but I would. A good and nice conversation goes a long way.

If ANYONE has any questions, I will answer truthfully and nicely...
I did not write this to start an argument or debate... Just to give the facts of the LAW!
If you don't like the law, write to your State Representative and get the laws changed...
Or VOTE and elect the best person you think can change the laws...
In other words, it IS LEGAL to post ANY VIDEOS!!!! Bottom line... End of statement as dictated by LAW.



If ANYONE has any questions, I will answer truthfully and nicely... Write me a PM!!!
I will not be part of a 14 page debate on this thread... Just send me a PM and let the thread develop.

 

[bawksy]

So what you're saying is, if you want a picture taken down, don't be a cunt about it and just ask nicely? That would be a new concept to the users of this forum.

 

[CamGirlsUnlimited]

lol.

Not really just nice... Just "professional".

Remember, you are dealing with multi-million dollar companies when you write them and they do not care about you or your videos. It is truth. They also know the law, more than the person writing the complaint.

Some models been nice to me and they got their videos deleted. I have even sent models an example of a legal DMCA claim so they can fill in their information and send back to me, then I deleted their videos.

Some models been rude to me, which I do not care. Really. AshaSnow's friends have written me and I deleted videos that had her and the friend, only because they asked. I have even wrote Asha couple of times to resolve issues, which I did not have to do, and she still has "issues", but videos remain online.

Also, another thing to remember... Many companies are partnered with other companies. So, just because your video or photos show up on one site, you can be SURE they are on another website that is partnered.

But, the basis of your question bawksy is the answer "Yes". Being nice to a company will go a long way and you may find that your content is deleted FASTER than the standard 72-hour law.