StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token Sites

[Teagan]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

Chaturbate already lower the quality of the livefeed when you do not pay, like Spotify with music: with Premium subscription you go from 120kpbs/ second to ~300 kpbs/ second for music.

Also im not sure where youre getting this from at all. Ive never seen CB say they lessen the feed for people who do not pay. Nor is it in their stuff if you look to sign up to become a Premium user there. You dont gets ads if you pay a monthly fee, but you can tip a billion dollars and still not be a premium user. The feed is the same though as far as anything they have on their site says.

 

[JessieWolfe]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

Chaturbate already lower the quality of the livefeed when you do not pay, like Spotify with music: with Premium subscription you go from 120kpbs/ second to ~300 kpbs/ second for music.

Also im not sure where youre getting this from at all. Ive never seen CB say they lessen the feed for people who do not pay. Nor is it in their stuff if you look to sign up to become a Premium user there. You dont gets ads if you pay a monthly fee, but you can tip a billion dollars and still not be a premium user. The feed is the same though as far as anything they have on their site says.

yea I don't have a membership and their HD seems even better than streamate.

 

[Gerald75]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

But you are going to be giving the people you are trying to cater to free tokens. Then they spend those free tokens and you are making no money, essentially.

You are catering your whole site to try to get people to tip, by giving them free tokens to tip. So then they are tipping which is good for the model. But you don't make money. You cant operate all the servers, mods, streaming etc without making a good amount of money.


100% of the people who see my shows pay for it. That is why their 3$ counts so much, they are what make the shows happen. They don't get that 3$ for free, they spend it out of their pocket.

If you have a show that someone can see for free, they probably wont tip the 30 tokens because they don't think it'll help the goal *that* much.

I am not giving away any free token, I simply want to give users the possibility of "pledging" tokens for a limited amount of time. If goal is reached, those tokens are real tokens spent.

Yes probably many people still wont tip the 30 tokens as they do not *have* to, yet I think more people will be tipping and big tippers will put money on the table in a quicker fashion too as timeline will be compressed and users are "secured" - like in the story shared by ACFFAN69 below -.

I can think of a specific example this would have assisted in:
I was approximately 1800 tokens into a show (and like 8000 tokens deep that week already), there was a countdown offered that even still sits in my top 5 countdowns I've ever wanted to see. The countdown was not even close to finished and for an hour no one else was tipping toward it, I believe there was 1400 tokens left on it. The model was uncharacteristically but visibly upset (and rightly so) at the situation because no one else was tipping, and my tipping had noticably slowed down. I remember actively debating if I should even bother anymore or just call it a night. I sadly chose the latter and missed out on it. I still look back and wondered how many tokens I would have needed to toss in to provide incentive for the model and the other members to become more into the show. It was so demoralizing it even made me walk away from camming for a few weeks.

Well the idea is that it will empower users to send a clear signal to other users: "I am willing to put XXX tokens toward that goal if we reach it in the next Y minutes, and you guys?".

This already exists. It is not new or a reason for a model to go to your site vs another more established one. On MFC the model sets goal, guys come together to tip. Model can set a time limit herself if she wants to. The only difference is she keeps the tokens if goal doesnt happen. She still gets paid for all the time she put into that night, AS SHE/HE SHOULD.

You are pointing out exactly why it does not exist: getting billed during the timer even if it does not achieve its purpose does not empower you to send a signal of "how much you are willing to put on the table". This is just a meaningless timer as the end of it is not correlated to any particular action, maybe it gets users excited to see a timer.. but in its current state it does not what I am describing at all! It provides no security, no real timeboxing. Do you see the fundamental difference in user's psychology?

I understand your feeling is if people see the show is close cheaper members will come out and finish a goal bit by bit. And with your system you hope more cheap people will tip here and there. The thing that is flawed is cheap people who do not tip never will tip. They dont want to. They feel they dont have to. And they dont. They will just hop around like on MFC looking for a free show till it happens. And they will do the same on your site. Your plan to maybe have a set up that will show to members who is close to goal or has one set up would just make it even easier for freeloaders to watch them and still tip nothing. And having to watch an ad here or there isnt gonna deter them. It doesnt deter me on youtube and its not gonna stop a freeloader from being a freeloader. So therefore I am actually not out any tokens as those people were never gonna tip to begin with. They are not "potential tips", they are tips I would never get from these people and the few who may do it with the right incentive I would have to offer and arm and leg to for $1. Fuck that and those people. Ill do without their $1 and stay on a site where that isnt a concern to me. Ei Not yours.

Not only more cheap people will tip, I also expect cheap people to tip more often and bigger spenders to be impacted as well - like ACFFAN69 described in his shared experience -

I know many people will never tip because they do not want to, but I do not think this is 90% of the users. I discussed with some customers of MFC who told me it took them from several month to a year of hanging around on the site before converting to paid users.. I showed CB and MFC to porn users who dont know yet about livecams, and they did not understand shit as they landed on the site because those are complex websites. That is why I think there could be much value in a simpler & more secure system from users' perspectives, many will still never pay but there are all the others to convince

Video ads do not deter you on Youtube because you most likely do not masturbate on it much. Now, with a simple algorithm, I can pop the video ads on a freeloader live feed when he is most likely about to get off because there are a whole lot of metrics we can mesure and relate to this so to target the "good time range".

And this is done nicely by SM already. Gold show has timer, goal is met or not, model chooses to do show or not. And hey look no freeloaders get to watch. As it should be. Theres no one waiting for anyone else and wondering if goal will not be met and theyre out the money. That doesnt happen.

So i'll say it again since you dont seem to get it. You do not offer a thing for models to work on your site. I do not want Gold Shows in public for freeloaders. And again if i wanna put on a public show I will do it on MFC where yes there are freeloaders but I can keep the tokens I hustled my ass off for already.

Yes you are right I do not get why everyone tells me this is SM Gold Show again and again as it is not - according to me - but it is my bad not being able to explain.

If you look at it in terms of "show flow" for a model willing to perform "Pussy play + Anal with toy + Cum squirt show" (taken from a real Gold Show):

--> On Streamate it will happen like this (lets say it is successful):

1) Teasing phase during 5 min: people can buy tickets for $2
2) Teasing phase is over, show will start, freeloaders are kicked out of the room
3) Show starts and will last 7 min, users get "Pussy play + Anal with toy + Cum squirt show"
4) Show is ended, model returns to freechat or a new Teasing phase for next goal show.


--> On Crowdfucking it would happen like this (lets say it is successful):

1) Show starts, first goal to reach is "Pussy play", viewers start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
2) Goal is reached, "Pussy play" start being performed, next goal is "Anal with toy", viewers can start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
3) Goal is reached, "Anal with toy" start being performed, next goal is "Cum show", viewers can start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
4) Goal is reached, "Cum show" start being performed, no next goal for now. Viewers can still Tip.
5) Maybe the model wants to add a possibility to keep the audience there tipping, like tipping a shower etc.

==> This is totally ongoing and streamlined, people can go onboard/leave at any time, it stays freemium etc. maybe I did not tip first 2 goals and saw them for free, but when "Cum show" starts being tipped I'm like "hell yea lets pledge $10 to get her cum, I want to see this!"


I am not so good at explaining things, please HiGirlsRHot step in!!


Concerning Chaturbate, my bad sorry. I was sure they were doing this to save money on freeloaders, that it is even written in my documents, maybe I read it somewhere someday - or I am crazy - but I could not find anything about it when looking.. so it was BS. Sorry ! Yet it is very common in music industry when it comes to streaming.

 

[eclipse76]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

Chaturbate already lower the quality of the livefeed when you do not pay, like Spotify with music: with Premium subscription you go from 120kpbs/ second to ~300 kpbs/ second for music.

Also im not sure where youre getting this from at all. Ive never seen CB say they lessen the feed for people who do not pay. Nor is it in their stuff if you look to sign up to become a Premium user there. You dont gets ads if you pay a monthly fee, but you can tip a billion dollars and still not be a premium user. The feed is the same though as far as anything they have on their site says.

I'm not Premium but I've never seen that when I'm logged in (when logged in, you can go fullscreen though). But contrary to MFC for example, on Chaturbate the stream resolution is not resized by the server, meaning it will directly depend of the quality of the webcam of the model, and the kbps will reflect this.

 

[Teagan]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

You are pointing out exactly why it does not exist: getting billed during the timer even if it does not achieve its purpose does not empower you to send a signal of "how much you are willing to put on the table". This is just a meaningless timer as the end of it is not correlated to any particular action, maybe it gets users excited to see a timer.. but in its current state it does not what I am describing at all! It provides no security, no real timeboxing. Do you see the fundamental difference in user's psychology?

I think your logic is flawed greatly in all of this. I understand youre looking at it from the cheap users view and im looking at it from the models. Hustling for tips and keeping them if i dont meet goal does empower me and i wont even agrue that fact. The model should keep them. That is our security. The timer a MFC model can set on her own comes with an action and she says as much. 5 minutes to get goal or she will log off, or change it, or something else. I see no reason to cater to cheap guys who sit around for show after show and MAY one day tip a bit. May doesnt pay the bills, neither does refunds. Bit by bit may add up over time but I would not go to an unestablished site with no traffic and hope for MAY.

Not only more cheap people will tip, I also expect cheap people to tip more often and bigger spenders to be impacted as well - like ACFFAN69 described in his shared experience -

I know many people will never tip because they do not want to, but I do not think this is 90% of the users. I discussed with some customers of MFC who told me it took them from several month to a year of hanging around on the site before converting to paid users.. I showed CB and MFC to porn users who dont know yet about livecams, and they did not understand shit as they landed on the site because those are complex websites. That is why I think there could be much value in a simpler & more secure system from users' perspectives, many will still never pay but there are all the others to convince

Video ads do not deter you on Youtube because you most likely do not masturbate on it much. Now, with a simple algorithm, I can pop the video ads on a freeloader live feed when he is most likely about to get off because there are a whole lot of metrics we can mesure and relate to this so to target the "good time range".

If you do not think that is 90% of users then you really need to do more research then. When on MFC they know they do not need to really as yes others will tip for them. I do not feel live cam sites like MFC and CB are complex at all but just like any other website on earth there is a learning curve. You learn how to navigate though. Even this forum takes some learning. Thats how the interweb works. If you wanna make it simpler go right ahead but calling it more "secure" just cause they get a refund is ridiculous. Not to mention takes away the models security. Thats not security though for a member that catering to cheap asses alone. But since you seem so set on doing it go right ahead. You will fail though as even if you do manage to convert a few cheap people you can not get enough to them to do it to stay afloat as a business. Not to mention the models who will not come as you offer them nothing really so why work there. And if you think you know a good time range to pop in an ad think again. You have no clue about that or when another man is gonna cum or what would get him off. Come on man thats common sense. Not to mention a determined freeloader will be a determined freeloader and wait 30 seconds to get off once they learn the rhythm of ads especially. Plus again why the heck is the model giving this freeloader a free show. No, just NO.

Yes you are right I do not get why everyone tells me this is SM Gold Show again and again as it is not - according to me - but it is my bad not being able to explain.

If you look at it in terms of "show flow" for a model willing to perform "Pussy play + Anal with toy + Cum squirt show" (taken from a real Gold Show):

--> On Streamate it will happen like this (lets say it is successful):

1) Teasing phase during 5 min: people can buy tickets for $2
2) Teasing phase is over, show will start, freeloaders are kicked out of the room
3) Show starts and will last 7 min, users get "Pussy play + Anal with toy + Cum squirt show"
4) Show is ended, model returns to freechat or a new Teasing phase for next goal show.


--> On Crowdfucking it would happen like this (lets say it is successful):

1) Show starts, first goal to reach is "Pussy play", viewers start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
2) Goal is reached, "Pussy play" start being performed, next goal is "Anal with toy", viewers can start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
3) Goal is reached, "Anal with toy" start being performed, next goal is "Cum show", viewers can start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
4) Goal is reached, "Cum show" start being performed, no next goal for now. Viewers can still Tip.
5) Maybe the model wants to add a possibility to keep the audience there tipping, like tipping a shower etc.

==> This is totally ongoing and streamlined, people can go onboard/leave at any time, it stays freemium etc. maybe I did not tip first 2 goals and saw them for free, but when "Cum show" starts being tipped I'm like "hell yea lets pledge $10 to get her cum, I want to see this!"


I am not so good at explaining things, please HiGirlsRHot step in!!


Concerning Chaturbate, my bad sorry. I was sure they were doing this to save money on freeloaders, that it is even written in my documents, maybe I read it somewhere someday - or I am crazy - but I could not find anything about it when looking.. so it was BS. Sorry ! Yet it is very common in music industry when it comes to streaming.

People keep saying it cause what you are saying IS a gold show just in public. Many girls offer many things that if a certain goal is met they will do them. Ive seen a billion of them and yes in gold show. 50 goal met theyll do pussy. 100 goal met show will include anal, 150 goal met she will cum. All streamlined nicely for her and ONLY for paying people.
Heck CB has an ap for what you are saying already. Its public like you want so freeloaders abound there but the ap you just input the amounts and goals and it auto updates as the show goes along. So again what you are wanting is already available and implemented for models to choose to use or not use if they want it. I used to use that ap actually so i know its available.

Gerald I understand exactly what you are saying and do not need HiGirls to step in and explain or an ACF example sharing a story. This is not about me not understanding your line of thinking. I just simply do not agree and you do not seem to understand what you are trying to do or talking about doing is not going to work. Again it is done already and if you build a site around it where that is the draw only you will fail so hard so fast. Im saying all this not to get you down but to try to get you to save your time, money, and resources before going down that road. Yet again you do not offer a thing for models and without models you will not have a good site no matter the interface or tipping options. Period.

So heres the deal though as guys and girls here can help you out still. Start a new thread and simply ask us what we WOULD want in a site. How if we as models and members could build one ourselves what we would do, include, and do differently. Of course you'll get conflicting answers and recommendations like some girls preferring public or private and its your choice to take it all in and do with it what you will but I will tell you now from doing that you will be able to build a better site for members and models that anything you have already talked about doing. Heck if you combined SM, MFC, and CB features together that'd be a hell of a site right there if you got the traffic and kept the percentage payments at least 50%. Add in MGF feature of cashing out when we want and girls will flock to you. Just a thought though.

 

[JessieWolfe]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

You are pointing out exactly why it does not exist: getting billed during the timer even if it does not achieve its purpose does not empower you to send a signal of "how much you are willing to put on the table". This is just a meaningless timer as the end of it is not correlated to any particular action, maybe it gets users excited to see a timer.. but in its current state it does not what I am describing at all! It provides no security, no real timeboxing. Do you see the fundamental difference in user's psychology?

I think your logic is flawed greatly in all of this. I understand youre looking at it from the cheap users view and im looking at it from the models. Hustling for tips and keeping them if i dont meet goal does empower me and i wont even agrue that fact. The model should keep them. That is our security. The timer a MFC model can set on her own comes with an action and she says as much. 5 minutes to get goal or she will log off, or change it, or something else. I see no reason to cater to cheap guys who sit around for show after show and MAY one day tip a bit. May doesnt pay the bills, neither does refunds. Bit by bit may add up over time but I would not go to an unestablished site with no traffic and hope for MAY.

Not only more cheap people will tip, I also expect cheap people to tip more often and bigger spenders to be impacted as well - like ACFFAN69 described in his shared experience -

I know many people will never tip because they do not want to, but I do not think this is 90% of the users. I discussed with some customers of MFC who told me it took them from several month to a year of hanging around on the site before converting to paid users.. I showed CB and MFC to porn users who dont know yet about livecams, and they did not understand shit as they landed on the site because those are complex websites. That is why I think there could be much value in a simpler & more secure system from users' perspectives, many will still never pay but there are all the others to convince

Video ads do not deter you on Youtube because you most likely do not masturbate on it much. Now, with a simple algorithm, I can pop the video ads on a freeloader live feed when he is most likely about to get off because there are a whole lot of metrics we can mesure and relate to this so to target the "good time range".

If you do not think that is 90% of users then you really need to do more research then. When on MFC they know they do not need to really as yes others will tip for them. I do not feel live cam sites like MFC and CB are complex at all but just like any other website on earth there is a learning curve. You learn how to navigate though. Even this forum takes some learning. Thats how the interweb works. If you wanna make it simpler go right ahead but calling it more "secure" just cause they get a refund is ridiculous. Not to mention takes away the models security. Thats not security though for a member that catering to cheap asses alone. But since you seem so set on doing it go right ahead. You will fail though as even if you do manage to convert a few cheap people you can not get enough to them to do it to stay afloat as a business. Not to mention the models who will not come as you offer them nothing really so why work there. And if you think you know a good time range to pop in an ad think again. You have no clue about that or when another man is gonna cum or what would get him off. Come on man thats common sense. Not to mention a determined freeloader will be a determined freeloader and wait 30 seconds to get off once they learn the rhythm of ads especially. Plus again why the heck is the model giving this freeloader a free show. No, just NO.

Yes you are right I do not get why everyone tells me this is SM Gold Show again and again as it is not - according to me - but it is my bad not being able to explain.

If you look at it in terms of "show flow" for a model willing to perform "Pussy play + Anal with toy + Cum squirt show" (taken from a real Gold Show):

--> On Streamate it will happen like this (lets say it is successful):

1) Teasing phase during 5 min: people can buy tickets for $2
2) Teasing phase is over, show will start, freeloaders are kicked out of the room
3) Show starts and will last 7 min, users get "Pussy play + Anal with toy + Cum squirt show"
4) Show is ended, model returns to freechat or a new Teasing phase for next goal show.


--> On Crowdfucking it would happen like this (lets say it is successful):

1) Show starts, first goal to reach is "Pussy play", viewers start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
2) Goal is reached, "Pussy play" start being performed, next goal is "Anal with toy", viewers can start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
3) Goal is reached, "Anal with toy" start being performed, next goal is "Cum show", viewers can start Tipping & potentially Group Tipping/Pledging
4) Goal is reached, "Cum show" start being performed, no next goal for now. Viewers can still Tip.
5) Maybe the model wants to add a possibility to keep the audience there tipping, like tipping a shower etc.

==> This is totally ongoing and streamlined, people can go onboard/leave at any time, it stays freemium etc. maybe I did not tip first 2 goals and saw them for free, but when "Cum show" starts being tipped I'm like "hell yea lets pledge $10 to get her cum, I want to see this!"


I am not so good at explaining things, please HiGirlsRHot step in!!


Concerning Chaturbate, my bad sorry. I was sure they were doing this to save money on freeloaders, that it is even written in my documents, maybe I read it somewhere someday - or I am crazy - but I could not find anything about it when looking.. so it was BS. Sorry ! Yet it is very common in music industry when it comes to streaming.

People keep saying it cause what you are saying IS a gold show just in public. Many girls offer many things that if a certain goal is met they will do them. Ive seen a billion of them and yes in gold show. 50 goal met theyll do pussy. 100 goal met show will include anal, 150 goal met she will cum. All streamlined nicely for her and ONLY for paying people.
Heck CB has an ap for what you are saying already. Its public like you want so freeloaders abound there but the ap you just input the amounts and goals and it auto updates as the show goes along. So again what you are wanting is already available and implemented for models to choose to use or not use if they want it. I used to use that ap actually so i know its available.

Gerald I understand exactly what you are saying and do not need HiGirls to step in and explain or an ACF example sharing a story. This is not about me not understanding your line of thinking. I just simply do not agree and you do not seem to understand what you are trying to do or talking about doing is not going to work. Again it is done already and if you build a site around it where that is the draw only you will fail so hard so fast. Im saying all this not to get you down but to try to get you to save your time, money, and resources before going down that road. Yet again you do not offer a thing for models and without models you will not have a good site no matter the interface or tipping options. Period.

So heres the deal though as guys and girls here can help you out still. Start a new thread and simply ask us what we WOULD want in a site. How if we as models and members could build one ourselves what we would do, include, and do differently. Of course you'll get conflicting answers and recommendations like some girls preferring public or private and its your choice to take it all in and do with it what you will but I will tell you now from doing that you will be able to build a better site for members and models that anything you have already talked about doing. Heck if you combined SM, MFC, and CB features together that'd be a hell of a site right there if you got the traffic and kept the percentage payments at least 50%. Add in MGF feature of cashing out when we want and girls will flock to you. Just a thought though.

agreed! It's hard to start up a site that exists elsewhere. I think if you would be able to start a thread and take in what models and members would like out of a site, you could get something going. We could combine all of the ideas into a super amazing site and we can all have a look at your gameplan for the site along the way.

I would love to send my ideas for a perfect camming site

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

From Tegan

Gerald I understand exactly what you are saying and do not need HiGirls to step in and explain or an ACF example sharing a story. This is not about me not understanding your line of thinking. I just simply do not agree and you do not seem to understand what you are trying to do or talking about doing is not going to work. Again it is done already and if you build a site around it where that is the draw only you will fail so hard so fast. Im saying all this not to get you down but to try to get you to save your time, money, and resources before going down that road. Yet again you do not offer a thing for models and without models you will not have a good site no matter the interface or tipping options. Period.

I agree with Tegan. As member I just don't see very much value in breaking down a Gold show into the individual components, get naked, pussy play, and then final cum show. I'd much rather have a gold show as a package deal, than group tipping for each phase. Ideally I want to see have a website which has the social interaction of chaturabate or MFC, but where paying users get a much better experience than freeloaders. I view Gold shows as being priced appropriately which is good. The problem with them is that focus is almost exclusively on sexual activity. If a model wants/needs to spend 3-4/hours a day camming that means she needs to put a sex show 6-8 day which I think would be exhausting. I don't need or want to see that many sex shows a day, if I spend an hour or two most days watching MFC, I want to see a variety maybe even including DeezNA Dancing extravagance, but I also want to see a sex show or two.

I guess I disagree with Tegan a bit, it is a chicken and egg problem, you do need models, but you also need a member friendly site. A member who spend $100K+ on website is worth a lot more than 75% of the models who quit after 3 months, or dozens of page 4 models. Alternatively if you can convinced 20-30% of the viewer to spend $10-$50/month than you aren't so dependent on whales. Lots of good paying members will draw models and vice versa.

 

[JessieWolfe]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

From Tegan

Gerald I understand exactly what you are saying and do not need HiGirls to step in and explain or an ACF example sharing a story. This is not about me not understanding your line of thinking. I just simply do not agree and you do not seem to understand what you are trying to do or talking about doing is not going to work. Again it is done already and if you build a site around it where that is the draw only you will fail so hard so fast. Im saying all this not to get you down but to try to get you to save your time, money, and resources before going down that road. Yet again you do not offer a thing for models and without models you will not have a good site no matter the interface or tipping options. Period.

I agree with Tegan. As member I just don't see very much value in breaking down a Gold show into the individual components, get naked, pussy play, and then final cum show. I'd much rather have a gold show as a package deal, than group tipping for each phase. Ideally I want to see have a website which has the social interaction of chaturabate or MFC, but where paying users get a much better experience than freeloaders. I view Gold shows as being priced appropriately which is good. The problem with them is that focus is almost exclusively on sexual activity. If a model wants/needs to spend 3-4/hours a day camming that means she needs to put a sex show 6-8 day which I think would be exhausting. I don't need or want to see that many sex shows a day, if I spend an hour or two most days watching MFC, I want to see a variety maybe even including DeezNA Dancing extravagance, but I also want to see a sex show or two.

I guess I disagree with Tegan a bit, it is a chicken and egg problem, you do need models, but you also need a member friendly site. A member who spend $100K+ on website is worth a lot more than 75% of the models who quit after 3 months, or dozens of page 4 models. Alternatively if you can convinced 20-30% of the viewer to spend $10-$50/month than you aren't so dependent on whales. Lots of good paying members will draw models and vice versa.

I would LOVE a site with gold shows but also the awesome chill chat rooms of Mfc. I miss the social aspects of Mfc so much and can only take "you need a real dick bb" "I'm stroking so hard for you bb" before I sign off and talk to people not focusing solely on their dicks lol

 

[AmberCutie]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

Given the brain-breakingly large word count on the majority of posts within this thread, I feel it's a good time to remind the general population of this:

K.I.S.S.

Keep. It. Simple, Stupid.


The more complex the process of putting on or paying for a show, the less people are going to want to partake.

A new site could thrive if they continue with the bread and butter of other cam sites (Free chat with tips, Private shows with and without spies, and group shows/gold shows) but ALSO throw in a small and SIMPLE way to reward members for buying and spending tokens on models.

 

[DeezNA]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

Seriously, why don't you just do what Budweiser and Marlboro and companies like that do and just build reward points for people who tip frequently or large amounts and offer them merchandise or something? That builds way more value and initiative than offering refunds.

For instance, if you've tipped 500 in the last 24 hours you get 500 points (even ratios are easier to understand, you can do your own thing, whatever). Every model pay period, the customers reward points go down by x amount (this is to encourage steady tipping for rewards and reduce "point hoarding"). You can get a t-shirt for 1000 reward points. You can get a Fleshlight for 10000 reward points. You can get a Bugatti Veyron for 1,000,000,000,000 reward points. MFC has a reward system similar to this but it is really more of a punishment than anything else to go to the Lounge most of the time, I rarely set foot in there.

Personalizing reward point redemption for "model-loyalty" could present models with opportunities for extra exposure/PR as well! Say one of the prizes is a customized t-shirt with the model's name on it or something. Maybe we could be notified when a specific user has reached that "model-loyalty" level and they can redeem points for custom videos, handmade things, etc.

I don't know, shootin from the hip here. In my experience, making the average tip smaller makes the goals take longer to hit. I think the concept of positive reinforcement for spending is a great idea, I think even planting the seed of refunds would put the model in a minefield every night. Comfort and security for models and customers is utmost priority in my eyes, I think something more reward-based would probably address this. Then the "freeloaders" can tip a little over time if they want to, but they better be consistent with it or they will lose all their reward points at the end of the pay period.

It sounds like adding another currency but it is a system that MFC has implemented and it doesn't seem to be TOO confusing, it's just expanding on that concept. My :twocents-02cents: for now.

 

[ACFFAN69]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

Seriously, why don't you just do what Budweiser and Marlboro and companies like that do and just build reward points for people who tip frequently or large amounts and offer them merchandise or something? That builds way more value and initiative than offering refunds.

For instance, if you've tipped 500 in the last 24 hours you get 500 points (even ratios are easier to understand, you can do your own thing, whatever). Every model pay period, the customers reward points go down by x amount (this is to encourage steady tipping for rewards and reduce "point hoarding"). You can get a t-shirt for 1000 reward points. You can get a Fleshlight for 10000 reward points. You can get a Bugatti Veyron for 1,000,000,000,000 reward points. MFC has a reward system similar to this but it is really more of a punishment than anything else to go to the Lounge most of the time, I rarely set foot in there.

Personalizing reward point redemption for "model-loyalty" could present models with opportunities for extra exposure/PR as well! Say one of the prizes is a customized t-shirt with the model's name on it or something. Maybe we could be notified when a specific user has reached that "model-loyalty" level and they can redeem points for custom videos, handmade things, etc.

I don't know, shootin from the hip here. In my experience, making the average tip smaller makes the goals take longer to hit. I think the concept of positive reinforcement for spending is a great idea, I think even planting the seed of refunds would put the model in a minefield every night. Comfort and security for models and customers is utmost priority in my eyes, I think something more reward-based would probably address this. Then the "freeloaders" can tip a little over time if they want to, but they better be consistent with it or they will lose all their reward points at the end of the pay period.

It sounds like adding another currency but it is a system that MFC has implemented and it doesn't seem to be TOO confusing, it's just expanding on that concept. My :twocents-02cents: for now.

MFC also rewards people who tip often with better tip packages. After a point it becomes ridiculous though (1875 Tokens for $149.99 or 3775 Tokens for $299.99. A whole bonus 25 tokens for $150 more!).

The free name changing at will is nice though.

 

[camstory]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

Seriously, why don't you just do what Budweiser and Marlboro and companies like that do and just build reward points for people who tip frequently or large amounts and offer them merchandise or something? That builds way more value and initiative than offering refunds.

For instance, if you've tipped 500 in the last 24 hours you get 500 points (even ratios are easier to understand, you can do your own thing, whatever). Every model pay period, the customers reward points go down by x amount (this is to encourage steady tipping for rewards and reduce "point hoarding"). You can get a t-shirt for 1000 reward points. You can get a Fleshlight for 10000 reward points. You can get a Bugatti Veyron for 1,000,000,000,000 reward points. MFC has a reward system similar to this but it is really more of a punishment than anything else to go to the Lounge most of the time, I rarely set foot in there.

Personalizing reward point redemption for "model-loyalty" could present models with opportunities for extra exposure/PR as well! Say one of the prizes is a customized t-shirt with the model's name on it or something. Maybe we could be notified when a specific user has reached that "model-loyalty" level and they can redeem points for custom videos, handmade things, etc.

I don't know, shootin from the hip here. In my experience, making the average tip smaller makes the goals take longer to hit. I think the concept of positive reinforcement for spending is a great idea, I think even planting the seed of refunds would put the model in a minefield every night. Comfort and security for models and customers is utmost priority in my eyes, I think something more reward-based would probably address this. Then the "freeloaders" can tip a little over time if they want to, but they better be consistent with it or they will lose all their reward points at the end of the pay period.

It sounds like adding another currency but it is a system that MFC has implemented and it doesn't seem to be TOO confusing, it's just expanding on that concept. My :twocents-02cents: for now.

MFC also rewards people who tip often with better tip packages. After a point it becomes ridiculous though (1875 Tokens for $149.99 or 3775 Tokens for $299.99. A whole bonus 25 tokens for $150 more!).

The free name changing at will is nice though.

yea this has been incentive for me twice. The problem I have run into a few times, is I have changed one of my names and don't remember what I changed it to the next time I go to log in. The fix is that I made all of my 1K+ accounts friends on my other accounts, so as long as I don't change all 5 at the same time I can get on to one and look at the friends list to see what my changed name is.

 

[JimsX]

Re: StartUp Weekend Team - Question About Camming On Token S

Seriously, why don't you just do what Budweiser and Marlboro and companies like that do and just build reward points for people who tip frequently or large amounts and offer them merchandise or something? That builds way more value and initiative than offering refunds.

For instance, if you've tipped 500 in the last 24 hours you get 500 points (even ratios are easier to understand, you can do your own thing, whatever). Every model pay period, the customers reward points go down by x amount (this is to encourage steady tipping for rewards and reduce "point hoarding"). You can get a t-shirt for 1000 reward points. You can get a Fleshlight for 10000 reward points. You can get a Bugatti Veyron for 1,000,000,000,000 reward points. MFC has a reward system similar to this but it is really more of a punishment than anything else to go to the Lounge most of the time, I rarely set foot in there.

Personalizing reward point redemption for "model-loyalty" could present models with opportunities for extra exposure/PR as well! Say one of the prizes is a customized t-shirt with the model's name on it or something. Maybe we could be notified when a specific user has reached that "model-loyalty" level and they can redeem points for custom videos, handmade things, etc.

I don't know, shootin from the hip here. In my experience, making the average tip smaller makes the goals take longer to hit. I think the concept of positive reinforcement for spending is a great idea, I think even planting the seed of refunds would put the model in a minefield every night. Comfort and security for models and customers is utmost priority in my eyes, I think something more reward-based would probably address this. Then the "freeloaders" can tip a little over time if they want to, but they better be consistent with it or they will lose all their reward points at the end of the pay period.

It sounds like adding another currency but it is a system that MFC has implemented and it doesn't seem to be TOO confusing, it's just expanding on that concept. My :twocents-02cents: for now.

MFC also rewards people who tip often with better tip packages. After a point it becomes ridiculous though (1875 Tokens for $149.99 or 3775 Tokens for $299.99. A whole bonus 25 tokens for $150 more!).

The free name changing at will is nice though.

yea this has been incentive for me twice. The problem I have run into a few times, is I have changed one of my names and don't remember what I changed it to the next time I go to log in. The fix is that I made all of my 1K+ accounts friends on my other accounts, so as long as I don't change all 5 at the same time I can get on to one and look at the friends list to see what my changed name is.

You are a genius. I wish I had thought of this.