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I'm going to look into clips for sale. Thank you so much for your suggestion. I really love vintage fetish and feel most comfortable doing it. I have a bull whip I was cracking last night, no one cared. lol I also have a giant fetish cross I climb but have been afraid to use it on cam because again... "too professional" guh. lol Maybe C4S would be a more suitable place .
I do? I just googled Models Only and found a casting website for print models. derp. lolMO= Model's OnlyI believe you are already verified since you have the Cam Model tag.
Whats this about a plush dog? Maybe these comments got deleted by Amber before I could see them. Im not jealous of the GND I just want to do what drives me creatively is all.
It wasn't directed at you, @heybarkeep was trying to pick a fight with @Emberblaze for some reason only known to him.
First off, I love your look! I love pinup and you pull it off so well!
I am pretty much the "girl next door" type and I still had to start off with my counts cut in half of what I wanted. Once you snag yourself a few loyal followers then you gradually bring up your prices. More demand, higher countdowns.
You don't have to wear more to break up the count down. Throw an action in there as well. Like 500 tokens till a sexy dance or sensual tease. Then 500 till bra. The idea is to draw in more members and hope some will stay in anticipation to get your bra off. Try not to feel discouraged when a lot leave when the mini show ends. Many skip threw cams and only stay when something is happening. But so long as you are doing what you want and what you are confident in doing you will eventually draw in the crowd you are looking for.
It has been said before in this thread but the girl next door type is what's mainly on MFC but that does not make it the most successful choice for everyone. What your friend failed to tell you is that just as many of those no makeup girl next door girls are struggling on MFC. Camming is a highly saturated business and girl next door is highly saturated on MFC so even if you cave and give up your niche before you really start, there is no guarantee you'll be successful that way. Members like helping girls who "look like they need help" but not if they are sad or unhappy about it. Your set up is beautiful and you are gorgeous. IMO you should put the time into building what you want before you start catering to an over saturated group that doesn't fit you. Kins has already listed a model who does very well in what you'd like to go for. Others have had success with out the girl next door type so why can't you.go for it and I can't wait to see everything pick up for you.
Oh honey thank you so much!
UPDATE! Last night I logged online before seeing this thread. I took Johnnys advice and "tone it down" to seem more "real" and less "pro". I cammed in my living room, then decided a goal would be to get naked, put on a vintage apron and bake cupcakes. Then I was going to move over to the set for the next countdown which was going to be an oil show in my set. Well, my first countdown was at 500 to take off my robe, I danced around teasing and being sensual which seemed to bring in people but it took me from 9pm - 12am to get my robe off. Bra was next and that didn't come off until 1:30am. so then I just put my apron on and baked naked with a sheer apron covering my pussy... no one tipped during this show which is when I decided to log off at 2:30 am with only making 1637 tokens. Max maybe 20 people in my room usually hovering around 12 or 13.
I logged off feeling pretty defeated. It was fun baking but it happened way too late. I didn't anticipate robe off would take that long. People tipped but not in accordance to my tip menu so I just said thank you thank you thank you and danced around. If people were tipping for sexy things listed on my menu then I think the show would flow better. It's just frustrating.
Here are some screen grabs of what I was up to... I posted these to snapchat but have no members there I posted them just incase someone purchased my snap which has yet to happen.
I have 2 hours of "New Model Status" left and my cam score is around 1056. I don't know if thats good but I don't think its great. Going back to just saying FUCK IT and camming daytime for a few hours and again at night and doing what I want. Hopefully people like it. Ill also take some of your suggestions to try Clips 4 Sale. Thank you so much for all of your advice. sorry this thread seemed to have gotten heated, I didn't see all those posts but Im better off, thanks Amber for deleting the pointless mean comments.
Love to everyone who offered me advice.
Love to Amber for making this forum.
Love to the hatters and to Johnny too (he means well I promise) lol
I logged off feeling pretty defeated. It was fun baking but it happened way too late. I didn't anticipate robe off would take that long. People tipped but not in accordance to my tip menu so I just said thank you thank you thank you and danced around. If people were tipping for sexy things listed on my menu then I think the show would flow better. It's just frustrating.
Here are some screen grabs of what I was up to... I posted these to snapchat but have no members there I posted them just incase someone purchased my snap which has yet to happen.
I have 2 hours of "New Model Status" left and my cam score is around 1056. I don't know if thats good but I don't think its great. Going back to just saying FUCK IT and camming daytime for a few hours and again at night and doing what I want. Hopefully people like it. Ill also take some of your suggestions to try Clips 4 Sale. Thank you so much for all of your advice. sorry this thread seemed to have gotten heated, I didn't see all those posts but Im better off, thanks Amber for deleting the pointless mean comments.
Love to everyone who offered me advice.
Love to Amber for making this forum.
Love to the hatters and to Johnny too (he means well I promise) lol
MO= Model's Only
The Models Only area of this forum.
LittleLei
Cam Model
On your forum homepage There is a Model's Only section for verified models. I've highlighted it for ya just in case you've missed it.
I thought it was a cam site abbreviation lol I was like whats this new site? DERP!
LittleLei
Cam Model
Ha, you're alright, it could be easily mistaken for something else. Head on over if you haven't peeped into that section yet. You'll find some very helpful things in there that you won't be able to find in the general public forum. A lot more models, such as myself interact there more than the general area. Nothing wrong with the public section, just some of us are more comfortable sticking to model's only topics. Best of luck to ya!
Oh I've been there and posted there many times. I wanted to put this in public to gain some perspective from male viewers / patrons.
a_haze420
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It took me a LONG time to make $ on mfc so long it would always kill my cam score to make the money and I'm taking 4-6 hours to make like 50$ max its a fickle site. I switched sites because of that. Im personally on stresmate but if that's not your thing, You can totally be a more tease model on CB! Maybe give it a shot and no cam score!
So a little late into this thread, but firstly, WOW! To the OP, you are gorgeous! Those cooking photos... fucking hell!
I have a few pieces of advice which come from experience. Much of what I believe has already been said on this thread by other models, so the first bit of advice is not to discredit any of what other models have said. They've been there done that and have the t-shirt in terms of working out what's right for them and likely watching and speaking with models as they gain success. Member's do often have some valuable insights, but you must always keep in mind which ones to listen to.
For example, a good scenario to put weight into a member's advice would be: Member who's been tipping you says that they'd love to see and pay for you do do a certain type of show, the type of show they've suggested goes with your style and is the sort of thing you could pull off well. This is good because it keeps in tune with what you enjoy and the member is actually willing to pay for that. These suggestions can be really fun to carry out and could help you bring more viewers. Said member could also suggest a change of lighting or sound if they felt something were wrong or could be improved.
A bad scenario would be, well, basically your Johnny friend. A "helpful" member (as has been mentioned there are many of them), they're not necessarily a tipper, and they almost always get off in some way on the power and control in "helping" a model by making them change. These members can give very generic advice, but as they don't actually like you specifically that advice is just ridiculous and is going to make you feel bad. Imagine this in real life, if you were single and wanted to meet someone and a male friend of a friend who prefers skinny blondes while you're a curvy brunette tells you that you should probably change your hair, stop wearing a certain type of make up and should lose weight. He's not wrong in the sense that lots of men like skinny blondes, but he's also missing that lots of people like curvy brunettes, and that not all skinny blondes have perfect relationship track records. Would you listen to this man? Would you even consider changing anything about your appearance or clothing style because of one guys opinion?
I'm not saying Johnny is wrong in his observation that girl next door types are popular on MFC. I know that I make far more money in a strappy top and minimal make up than if I do anything remotely fun, and because I'm lazy I just go with that. But there are also so many girls who get super well known and successful because they pull in a niche market and everyone starts going wild for the hot new thing.
I think you've got to really think about what it means to be a successful cam model. A few girls have mentioned burn-outs, but I don't think they've emphasized just what a big problem burn outs caused by not being real to yourself are. Every time I encountered a member like Johnny as a new model I ended up burning out, focusing way too much on feeling like a failure, focusing too much on trying to be a different person and put on a persona. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much money you make per hour if you can only keep it up for a month. Camming can be a long term lucrative game, but a large part of that is actually wanting to get on cam. If you burn out early it can be nearly impossible to get that energy and excitement for camming back. Don't let Johnny or anyone else cause you to no longer love this job. You've clearly got a lot of amazing artistic skills which could make camming a dream job for you, but you have absolutely got to enjoy it and play the long game. This isn't stripping where a huge amount of customers are new and you can just walk in and make a whole load in a night. Camming takes time to build a fan base and camscore, but once you do it can be a very long term career. Example being, it took me a year and a half to bring up my camscore up to 4k and get a solid group of regulars. A year later I was in the top 100 and had a 7k camscore. I then basically left camming, but I still have that solid group of regulars and every time I come back I still maintain a 4k camscore. But I burned out early because I interacted with members who drained me or members who always tried to change me. I could never keep up full time because this made me bitter and resentful of camming, despite actually having a really amazing supportive group of regulars, several of which I still class as some of my closest friends (6/7 years later).
This goes onto my next point. Don't be so hard on yourself. You're doing fantastically for a new model. It's so easy to see some of the income some models bring in and form high expectations, and I imagine having stripped you're already desensitized to the amount of income sex work can bring in. But most models crash and burn allowing their camscore to drop below 1k early on. Also the types of shows you're trying to do are seriously hard for a new model. It's much easier I think to get private shows or tips for flashes and stuff where no one has to "invest" in you. Remember they don't know who you are and until they do many of them aren't going to drop a bunch of cash. Bear in mind also, as much as I hate to tell any model to lower their prices, what you're setting your countdowns at are what I set my countdowns to, and I don't always make them. Because you're a very attractive and clearly creative model, it may be more in your interests to create easy to make countdowns or tip options to keep yourself moving and entertained as well as bringing the crowds in and helping people get to know what makes you special. Raise your countdowns with your room numbers. Basically a countdown should always be relatively easy to make and you should be able to make it in reasonable time 80% of the time. If it's not then members will not tip for them for fear they won't be around to get the end result, and those who do tip and end up disappointed may end up getting bored. MFC now more than ever before is massively about the instant gratification. People want as much as possible for their tokens, flashes, videos, spanks, teases etc as well as going off a countdown. Nowadays when I cam I make the majority of my income off long private shows as members who would formerly tip for countdowns have realised they're better off getting me all for themselves. There is definitely nothing wrong with you for struggling. MFC is a hard site to crack, but trust me, if you stay true to yourself and stay persistent it can really pay off. You seem to have the right equipment and skills for sure.
If you do want to try out the whole "girl next door" thing one night, go onto cam with natural looking make up, french knickers/pj shorts and a strappy top. Be yourself of course, but more yourself when you're chilling around the house chatting to friends. Still do countdowns to interesting things that you love doing, it's your personality people will want. Being a "real" girl is definitely a thing on MFC, you can be amazingly artistic and cool but it's where stripping and camming really differ. People do want to see your personality and get to know you as a person. That whole thing about acting like you "need" tokens is basically bull. Loads of members hate that shit. You're not a beggar, nor are you an amateur.
Something to also keep in mind is sometimes models have bad runs, so always try something out several nights before completely discrediting it as an idea. You might just not have had a good crowd one night.
I have a few pieces of advice which come from experience. Much of what I believe has already been said on this thread by other models, so the first bit of advice is not to discredit any of what other models have said. They've been there done that and have the t-shirt in terms of working out what's right for them and likely watching and speaking with models as they gain success. Member's do often have some valuable insights, but you must always keep in mind which ones to listen to.
For example, a good scenario to put weight into a member's advice would be: Member who's been tipping you says that they'd love to see and pay for you do do a certain type of show, the type of show they've suggested goes with your style and is the sort of thing you could pull off well. This is good because it keeps in tune with what you enjoy and the member is actually willing to pay for that. These suggestions can be really fun to carry out and could help you bring more viewers. Said member could also suggest a change of lighting or sound if they felt something were wrong or could be improved.
A bad scenario would be, well, basically your Johnny friend. A "helpful" member (as has been mentioned there are many of them), they're not necessarily a tipper, and they almost always get off in some way on the power and control in "helping" a model by making them change. These members can give very generic advice, but as they don't actually like you specifically that advice is just ridiculous and is going to make you feel bad. Imagine this in real life, if you were single and wanted to meet someone and a male friend of a friend who prefers skinny blondes while you're a curvy brunette tells you that you should probably change your hair, stop wearing a certain type of make up and should lose weight. He's not wrong in the sense that lots of men like skinny blondes, but he's also missing that lots of people like curvy brunettes, and that not all skinny blondes have perfect relationship track records. Would you listen to this man? Would you even consider changing anything about your appearance or clothing style because of one guys opinion?
I'm not saying Johnny is wrong in his observation that girl next door types are popular on MFC. I know that I make far more money in a strappy top and minimal make up than if I do anything remotely fun, and because I'm lazy I just go with that. But there are also so many girls who get super well known and successful because they pull in a niche market and everyone starts going wild for the hot new thing.
I think you've got to really think about what it means to be a successful cam model. A few girls have mentioned burn-outs, but I don't think they've emphasized just what a big problem burn outs caused by not being real to yourself are. Every time I encountered a member like Johnny as a new model I ended up burning out, focusing way too much on feeling like a failure, focusing too much on trying to be a different person and put on a persona. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much money you make per hour if you can only keep it up for a month. Camming can be a long term lucrative game, but a large part of that is actually wanting to get on cam. If you burn out early it can be nearly impossible to get that energy and excitement for camming back. Don't let Johnny or anyone else cause you to no longer love this job. You've clearly got a lot of amazing artistic skills which could make camming a dream job for you, but you have absolutely got to enjoy it and play the long game. This isn't stripping where a huge amount of customers are new and you can just walk in and make a whole load in a night. Camming takes time to build a fan base and camscore, but once you do it can be a very long term career. Example being, it took me a year and a half to bring up my camscore up to 4k and get a solid group of regulars. A year later I was in the top 100 and had a 7k camscore. I then basically left camming, but I still have that solid group of regulars and every time I come back I still maintain a 4k camscore. But I burned out early because I interacted with members who drained me or members who always tried to change me. I could never keep up full time because this made me bitter and resentful of camming, despite actually having a really amazing supportive group of regulars, several of which I still class as some of my closest friends (6/7 years later).
This goes onto my next point. Don't be so hard on yourself. You're doing fantastically for a new model. It's so easy to see some of the income some models bring in and form high expectations, and I imagine having stripped you're already desensitized to the amount of income sex work can bring in. But most models crash and burn allowing their camscore to drop below 1k early on. Also the types of shows you're trying to do are seriously hard for a new model. It's much easier I think to get private shows or tips for flashes and stuff where no one has to "invest" in you. Remember they don't know who you are and until they do many of them aren't going to drop a bunch of cash. Bear in mind also, as much as I hate to tell any model to lower their prices, what you're setting your countdowns at are what I set my countdowns to, and I don't always make them. Because you're a very attractive and clearly creative model, it may be more in your interests to create easy to make countdowns or tip options to keep yourself moving and entertained as well as bringing the crowds in and helping people get to know what makes you special. Raise your countdowns with your room numbers. Basically a countdown should always be relatively easy to make and you should be able to make it in reasonable time 80% of the time. If it's not then members will not tip for them for fear they won't be around to get the end result, and those who do tip and end up disappointed may end up getting bored. MFC now more than ever before is massively about the instant gratification. People want as much as possible for their tokens, flashes, videos, spanks, teases etc as well as going off a countdown. Nowadays when I cam I make the majority of my income off long private shows as members who would formerly tip for countdowns have realised they're better off getting me all for themselves. There is definitely nothing wrong with you for struggling. MFC is a hard site to crack, but trust me, if you stay true to yourself and stay persistent it can really pay off. You seem to have the right equipment and skills for sure.
If you do want to try out the whole "girl next door" thing one night, go onto cam with natural looking make up, french knickers/pj shorts and a strappy top. Be yourself of course, but more yourself when you're chilling around the house chatting to friends. Still do countdowns to interesting things that you love doing, it's your personality people will want. Being a "real" girl is definitely a thing on MFC, you can be amazingly artistic and cool but it's where stripping and camming really differ. People do want to see your personality and get to know you as a person. That whole thing about acting like you "need" tokens is basically bull. Loads of members hate that shit. You're not a beggar, nor are you an amateur.
Something to also keep in mind is sometimes models have bad runs, so always try something out several nights before completely discrediting it as an idea. You might just not have had a good crowd one night.
I went into your room a couple of times when you first started. You are sexy as hell, which is a good thing, but I do think Johnny has a point. Generally, the cute, young, girl next door, does better than the more sexual looking older model. There is something very appealing to the cute, and innocent looking girl, who shows her dirty side by riding the giant dildo.
So while I think Johnny is generally right the advice could be to be hard for you. You aren't a teenager, and trying to pretend that you are one is going to be challenging and I think ultimately unlikely to be successful. I remember within 5 minutes of watching you thinking this girl has done this before (camming, or sex work) so it was no surprise to hear that you were a stripper. The good news is that are plenty of models who are very successful with your look. But there also plenty of very sexy women on this site who don't make a good living on MFC. Especially, Eastern European models. BTW, my first impression of you was that you were Eastern European. Not an insult or any kinda of knock, it just they tend not to do as well as US/Canada models, and the very pretty camroom you have setup also reinforces my perception. I'm not saying decorate your room in Red, White, Blue and MAGA hats, but in a personality-driven site the tippers are primarily American and gravitate to American/Canada girls maybe something to make it look like you are American.
Here is the reality check. It is probably harder to make money on MFC for a new model now that it was a year or two ago when you first started. There are more models, and traffic is basically flat.
Increasingly MFC is a site for the top 10 who make amazing money the top 100, who make a very good living, and the top 1000 who make a living. The rest really struggle.
Last I looked the median (50% above 50% below) camscore was in the 650-700 range. The average camscore by definition is 1000, but because so much money goes to top girls the median score is well below the average. Inequality on MFC is worse than the US as a whole. So your 1050 camscore is well above the median. As has been discussed a lot there is a big element of luck of MFC, finding the whale as new model who tips you heavily boosting your camscore. The higher camscore increasing your visibility and increasing your room count. The reality is most models don't get lucky.
It seems to me with your crazy hot body you'd do well on Streamate.
So while I think Johnny is generally right the advice could be to be hard for you. You aren't a teenager, and trying to pretend that you are one is going to be challenging and I think ultimately unlikely to be successful. I remember within 5 minutes of watching you thinking this girl has done this before (camming, or sex work) so it was no surprise to hear that you were a stripper. The good news is that are plenty of models who are very successful with your look. But there also plenty of very sexy women on this site who don't make a good living on MFC. Especially, Eastern European models. BTW, my first impression of you was that you were Eastern European. Not an insult or any kinda of knock, it just they tend not to do as well as US/Canada models, and the very pretty camroom you have setup also reinforces my perception. I'm not saying decorate your room in Red, White, Blue and MAGA hats, but in a personality-driven site the tippers are primarily American and gravitate to American/Canada girls maybe something to make it look like you are American.
Here is the reality check. It is probably harder to make money on MFC for a new model now that it was a year or two ago when you first started. There are more models, and traffic is basically flat.
Increasingly MFC is a site for the top 10 who make amazing money the top 100, who make a very good living, and the top 1000 who make a living. The rest really struggle.
Last I looked the median (50% above 50% below) camscore was in the 650-700 range. The average camscore by definition is 1000, but because so much money goes to top girls the median score is well below the average. Inequality on MFC is worse than the US as a whole. So your 1050 camscore is well above the median. As has been discussed a lot there is a big element of luck of MFC, finding the whale as new model who tips you heavily boosting your camscore. The higher camscore increasing your visibility and increasing your room count. The reality is most models don't get lucky.
It seems to me with your crazy hot body you'd do well on Streamate.
SaffronBurke
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Gold shows tend to be more popular with the explicit viewer crowd. While I can get a tease one going every so often, I get more traction for privates.
Gold shows are tricky and you have to sometimes hustle hard. I did a run down somewhere how I grew my gold show viewer count.
Sorry I just want to clarify that at least back over the summer that making top 1500 gave you more than a graduate or skilled wage and making top 2500 was a living. Top 1k would make you a good living and basically from there you fairly quickly go into the wage bracket of highly skilled/educated professionals. So I don't think it's fair at all to say that the rest are struggling. There is money on Myfreecams, you may not make hundreds of thousands a year, but it's not that hard to earn as much as someone who's spent years getting their doctorate if you put in the energy and time.
I will never get my head around how creepy this sounds. But you're right, it is a type, one that seems to be becoming more and more common and to more extreme levels. I've even started finding it difficult to go on sites like pornhub because I've started noticing girls in previews are starting to look younger in a creepy very clearly attempting to look underage way. Many of which actually look underage. In some cases when the model/actress is clearly old enough I can completely understand the fantasy of innocence and youth, lots of successful MFC models stay on the right side of this line. But since I first started camming and watching porn I have noticed this line being pushed back a whole lot more.
I just want to reassure the OP that while there are some guys who search the internet looking for essentially legal children (or girls who act like children) to jerk off to, there are also so many who lose their boners over this look and way of acting and will appreciate a very clearly adult female. Being girl-next-door also does not necessarily mean looking or acting barely legal or even cute, young and innocent. I am generally considered girl-next-door, but I look like an adult. You can be girl-next door regardless of how you look or even the shows you do, so long as you come across as down to earth and approachable.
With your particular look it might be worth checking out some UK models. I don't know what it is, but a lot of the very popular US girls do tend to have a more slight, could be underage type physique, while a lot of the popular UK models seem to be pretty curvy and look a bit older. More as your friend Johnny would call the porn star look, yet they still pull off a friendly, approachable girl-next-door vibe.
In terms of what HiGirls said about playing into being from an English speaking country, that is definitely a thing. The best way to get around this is to talk lots and make it really clear you're a friendly, down to earth woman from a similar neighbourhood and background to members.
It's interesting because I did the opposite of the OP, I started stripping after having been a camgirl for years. The first club I worked in was during Stag party season in an affluent area in which I was highly successful, lots of people coming in weren't used to strip clubs and were delighted to find a friendly, chatty and educated girl they would want to date. They couldn't get enough of me and were scared off by the colder more professional girls. This was the first time I ever frequently got referred to as being girl-next-door. The locals and regulars on the other hand tended to avoid me, they still liked me but they'd get awkward because they wanted to treat strippers like brain dead fuck toys. Having a clearly intelligent and date-able woman in front of them made them feel embarrassed of what they clearly thought of as pretty sordid and perverted. I started having to dumb myself down a huge amount so I could be treated as an object and give them the fantasy. This was no fun for me so I left the stripping world. Camming is a very different place, members go there specifically because they want to meet a real person. They want to see the whole scale of a personality and build a bond over time, rather than popping into a club one night for a show. Being professional is not a problem in terms of lighting and the type of performance, so long as you really get across the fact that you are a real person who trips up, makes mistakes, does stupid shit and whatnot, someone who has a life, a family, friends etc. For most members you're not some sordid fantasy that people are getting off on the idea of sexualising you, they're getting off on the reality that you're a human who wants to be there with them in that moment in time. It's interesting seeing the OP having these issues because it was something a lot of strippers would say they had issues when it came to camming. It can be difficult to phase out old habits.
You look amazing! Totally envious of your setup. Maybe try different times of day/days of the week and see what seems to get the best hit? Just don't give up - if this is the creative energy you want to express, I say go for it.
I love your setting and your room and I think you should just give it more time and you'll start earning more.
If I were you, I would save my energy and resources when thinks aren't working well and I would cam for longer hours in the days when there's plenty traffic.
Good luck and don't feel disheartened. Every job has its ups and downs
If I were you, I would save my energy and resources when thinks aren't working well and I would cam for longer hours in the days when there's plenty traffic.
Good luck and don't feel disheartened. Every job has its ups and downs
ANOTHER UPDATE:
Things have been VERY HARD. I decided to do a mixture of the advice I received here. I cammed in my pretty set on Tuesday. it didn't go too well with the exception of my friend, who got me into camming tipping and taking me for a private. If it wasn't for him I would have only made around 400 tokens. I got a request for Skype paid via square cash, which I accepted because it's so slow. He was nice, but I cut him a huge deal.
This morning I logged on again, but from my living room, simple GND style since it was daytime. I didn't do great, brought in around 700 tokens for 3 hours of being online. My new lights that I ordered came in so that I could light my aerial hoop set-up which I have been soooo very excited to perform online since I started, but didn't have adequate lights to make it work, so finally they came and I got busy setting them up after I made dinner.
My set up turned out pretty good but took loads of figuring out with trial and error. I took another shower, re-did my makeup, figured out what I was going to wear, made a teaser video of me in my hoop to post on twitter, did the tweet thing and got online..... NOTING!
Now I should mention my new model status is gone. I had it at 1056 before camming last night, then it dropped to 1034 Now its at 980!
I worked so hard and spent so much making this space look good. Hours researching and creating and designing a page. I am so disappointed and I don't know what I can do from here. I am showing up pretty close to the bottom. I had 3 people in my room tonight and only one person tipped 13 tokens.
Here are some screen shots of what I did tonight to give you an idea of the work put in, I think I have something unique to offer the MFC audience
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What can I do from here? I understand it takes time to build an audience but I see girls with bad lighting etc. that are new that seem to be doing much better. I know I shouldn't compare myself but it's so competitive here its hard not to.
I just want to create beautiful shows, and pay my rent. I'm a good girl, easy to talk to, funny, silly, (slutty when I need to be) and I think I have what it takes, but for some reason no one will give me a shot. I'm looking into camvirsity or another site that might be into these kind of shows.... but it's heartbreaking because I really really love MFC and want to do well there. I am sad I lost my old account and didn't just change everything there instead of starting over now with a bad cam score.
Apologies to keep asking for advice but I'm not too sure where else to ask for help. Do I just keep sticking it out and say fuck it and not worry about the cam score or should I cam at certain times? Are Wednesdays just hard?
Feeling pretty defeated.
Things have been VERY HARD. I decided to do a mixture of the advice I received here. I cammed in my pretty set on Tuesday. it didn't go too well with the exception of my friend, who got me into camming tipping and taking me for a private. If it wasn't for him I would have only made around 400 tokens. I got a request for Skype paid via square cash, which I accepted because it's so slow. He was nice, but I cut him a huge deal.
This morning I logged on again, but from my living room, simple GND style since it was daytime. I didn't do great, brought in around 700 tokens for 3 hours of being online. My new lights that I ordered came in so that I could light my aerial hoop set-up which I have been soooo very excited to perform online since I started, but didn't have adequate lights to make it work, so finally they came and I got busy setting them up after I made dinner.
My set up turned out pretty good but took loads of figuring out with trial and error. I took another shower, re-did my makeup, figured out what I was going to wear, made a teaser video of me in my hoop to post on twitter, did the tweet thing and got online..... NOTING!
Now I should mention my new model status is gone. I had it at 1056 before camming last night, then it dropped to 1034 Now its at 980!
I worked so hard and spent so much making this space look good. Hours researching and creating and designing a page. I am so disappointed and I don't know what I can do from here. I am showing up pretty close to the bottom. I had 3 people in my room tonight and only one person tipped 13 tokens.
Here are some screen shots of what I did tonight to give you an idea of the work put in, I think I have something unique to offer the MFC audience
\ What can I do from here? I understand it takes time to build an audience but I see girls with bad lighting etc. that are new that seem to be doing much better. I know I shouldn't compare myself but it's so competitive here its hard not to.
I just want to create beautiful shows, and pay my rent. I'm a good girl, easy to talk to, funny, silly, (slutty when I need to be) and I think I have what it takes, but for some reason no one will give me a shot. I'm looking into camvirsity or another site that might be into these kind of shows.... but it's heartbreaking because I really really love MFC and want to do well there. I am sad I lost my old account and didn't just change everything there instead of starting over now with a bad cam score.
Apologies to keep asking for advice but I'm not too sure where else to ask for help. Do I just keep sticking it out and say fuck it and not worry about the cam score or should I cam at certain times? Are Wednesdays just hard?
Feeling pretty defeated.
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dude just keep doing what you are doing. your audience will come. to help build that audience, videos. get on that content. not just of mfcshare.
twitter is also a great platform to use to build an audience. follow niche promoters and other models.
twitter is also a great platform to use to build an audience. follow niche promoters and other models.
A handful of shows isn’t enough to figure out if your look/vibe/etc is working. I also think professional rooms take longer to build a fanbase than “teehee I just discovered my webcam” rooms because the appeal in that is that she might have shitty lighting and be wearing a Target bra and panties, ya know? That’s just a hunch. I think you rock this look much better than the GND look so I’d second @AudriTwo and say start filming videos, put them on ManyVids, and promoting on Twitter.
You’re gorgeous and your room looks great.
You’re gorgeous and your room looks great.
One, I bookmarked you and I hope to see your show one day, you're very pretty!
Two, you don't make your money off single time randos, you make your money a core fan base. It will take time to build up that fan base,maybe even years. Also understand that 90% of your money is going to come from 5-10% of your viewers. It's not uncommon to see a room with 100 viewers and only see 10 people or fewer tipping. To make money, you need to attract whales. Honestly, niche porn is probably good a good way to do that. If you fit the exact fetish of a few people with deep pockets, you're going to get more attention than if you try to be mainstream. In sex work, and dating in general, it's much better for a few people to think you're a 10/10 and most people to think you're a 5/10 than for everyone to think you're a 7/10. Does that make any sense? However, at this point, you need a fan base. That means self promotion and lowering your prices. You need viewers more than tokens right now.
Two, you don't make your money off single time randos, you make your money a core fan base. It will take time to build up that fan base,maybe even years. Also understand that 90% of your money is going to come from 5-10% of your viewers. It's not uncommon to see a room with 100 viewers and only see 10 people or fewer tipping. To make money, you need to attract whales. Honestly, niche porn is probably good a good way to do that. If you fit the exact fetish of a few people with deep pockets, you're going to get more attention than if you try to be mainstream. In sex work, and dating in general, it's much better for a few people to think you're a 10/10 and most people to think you're a 5/10 than for everyone to think you're a 7/10. Does that make any sense? However, at this point, you need a fan base. That means self promotion and lowering your prices. You need viewers more than tokens right now.
I'll second/third the other girls in that your room looks great and exciting and that promotion and longer hours should help you gain that exposure. There are a couple of models who've been on this forum who have built themselves up from a shitty camscore and have had long lucrative camming careers. JoleneBrody is one, and I've seen her doing some really amazing interesting artsy shows. And Kickaz is another who isn't active on this forum anymore, but she does some more artistic interesting things. I know she had a low camscore for a while and then found her niche audience. I don't want to just say it's that easy, Kickaz for example swears by her work ethic and doing long hours and basically making sure she reaches a certain rank before she logged off. While that work ethic definitely helps, there is also a huge amount of luck there. Are you catching a niche market at the right time? Are you doing something that's bringing enough hype? Are the right people finding you? Is the show you're putting on going to draw in those crowds and get them intrigued? Luck is such a huge part of camming unfortunately. But camming regular hours is like buying a load of lottery tickets, you're far more likely to win.
I guess don't feel too disheartened, you've only cammed just over 10 hours which is nothing. Even as a seasoned camgirl with a following you will easily have shitty slumps like that. You're performing something different and that will take a while to gain hype. Just keep going, keep trying to gain followers on twitter and other media platforms and try not to worry too much about camscore and room numbers.
I don't know much about RocknRose and how she gained her following, but she would be one to check out in terms of how she brought in the crowds. I don't usually advise new models contacting experienced ones for advice, but because she's doing the same kind of particular shows as you and you wouldn't be asking the generic "wow, how do you do so well?", it might be worth watching her a bit before dropping her a nice message explaining that you're an aerial hooper and that you've been struggling to gain an audience. And basically ask a few questions, one's I'd ask would be probably be how long it took her to build the following up and if she initially felt similar struggles to you, and whether there was anything she felt really improved her exposure. I wouldn't expect much by way of an answer, if she even responds, she's an extremely popular model and probably gets a fair few messages, but you might get a little bit of moral support or some food for thought on how to angle your shows for a wider audience.
I guess don't feel too disheartened, you've only cammed just over 10 hours which is nothing. Even as a seasoned camgirl with a following you will easily have shitty slumps like that. You're performing something different and that will take a while to gain hype. Just keep going, keep trying to gain followers on twitter and other media platforms and try not to worry too much about camscore and room numbers.
I don't know much about RocknRose and how she gained her following, but she would be one to check out in terms of how she brought in the crowds. I don't usually advise new models contacting experienced ones for advice, but because she's doing the same kind of particular shows as you and you wouldn't be asking the generic "wow, how do you do so well?", it might be worth watching her a bit before dropping her a nice message explaining that you're an aerial hooper and that you've been struggling to gain an audience. And basically ask a few questions, one's I'd ask would be probably be how long it took her to build the following up and if she initially felt similar struggles to you, and whether there was anything she felt really improved her exposure. I wouldn't expect much by way of an answer, if she even responds, she's an extremely popular model and probably gets a fair few messages, but you might get a little bit of moral support or some food for thought on how to angle your shows for a wider audience.
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