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Maybe they are trying to put persons with large(r) amounts in such difficult positions that they can't even cash in....who knows...
They perfectly know there is no way in any country where this should be legal to transfer for a individual person without company or any other papers!
What individual has a salary that much!!without any papers and proofs...
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Exactly my point, yes....and after that saying "look, we tried, it's not our fault you can not accept it" ...or something like this , it wouldn't wonder me at all
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In a lot of countries it would be no problem. The cam sites you work for have records of your payments and first choice pay has records of receiving them. No problem there. Just have to contact the cam site. Although some list your payments history right on your account (like mfc) and fcp has a record of the loads to your account. You would just have to declare the money and pay tax on it.
My source: https://liveshow.ru/topic/11657-karta-payoneer-mastercard-firstchoice-pay/page-494
The text:
Перевод возможен только свифтом на местный банк, назначение будет "зарплата", но он еще уточнит.
The Google Translation:
The transfer is possible only by a swift to a local bank, the appointment will be "salary", but it will still clarify.
Maybe someone can confirm without Google Translate.
No you cant! Legaly you can not connect money as you like...you cannot receive money from someone different and say after: hey that money came from somewhere else...look! Even if you could proof that over time in court, you will only proof that you didnt pay taxes when you had to! And you worked without company and had forein account(which is also illigal)!(Taxes are paid when you earn the money not when you get it/withdraw it)
And that is only if job was not in gray area as this one is in most of the countries...
it seems like all people with big amounts here are from countries where it woun't be that easy
so that's why they stuck with that money on "virtual balance" in first place
so yeah it looks like they are trying to make it harder to receive on purpose
so that's why they stuck with that money on "virtual balance" in first place
so yeah it looks like they are trying to make it harder to receive on purpose
In other words, before that specific someone comes back to harp on how you should have paid your taxes, the sites that are using offshore accounts to pay foreign workers are out of compliance themselves. Have a huge international workforce is complicated and requires a huge HR and legal team to handle. They either need some physical presence in that foreign country or some tax representative. In other words, the sites should have handled some of this if they were following the law themselves. But of course they all took a shortcut and provided the option of paying their workers into an offshore account.
So maybe Paxum is an option again? They can provide you a personal iban and bic code.
If money are sent from insurance company, not choice bank, then why paxum can’t receive it? They can’t receive from choice but insurance company is not choice, right?
I asked Rob about payoneer and he said no.About paxum i dont know.He said it can be only send on ur name.
http://www.7newsbelize.com/sstory.php?nid=44765
This i have just found...its fresh and from their prime minister...maybe they are bluffing for 70% after all...
This i have just found...its fresh and from their prime minister...maybe they are bluffing for 70% after all...
Omg. This is fuck up. If they are offer people 70% and 30% We will never get. What the fuck is that ??We should do something to get all the money. Then he tried to blackmailing people. I never see the company like that before . Stealing, blackmailing, lying. Payooner is the one guide us to that company
It sounds like the bank isn't bankrupt although they do have a liquidity problem. They are trying to stay in business by only returning part of your money. The gamble is, if you don't take your money now and the bank manages to stay in business, you can sue them for everything plus damages.
I might add they are trying to settle these frozen accounts before 90 days which is well within their legal right to do in terms of freezing your funds. If you agree to take the offer, it's on you and not them for taking less. If they continue to hold your funds after 90 days, then they can be sued.
I should also add suing a bank isn't easy and definitely won't be quick. Here is a link to cases where Belize banks have been sued:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...hcroft-for-billions-in-damages-300269983.html
They lost the lawsuit but have yet to pay.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...hcroft-for-billions-in-damages-300269983.html
They lost the lawsuit but have yet to pay.
I didnt mentioned suing...i also believe that would be nothing of that if we even could go that way...
Im only saying maybe if we donot agree to take 70% they will have to return to us the whole sum after 90.day.
But that is if they have enough money by then...
Now im more concerned about wire...
Absolutely no way to take "salary" that big...anywhere...
Im only saying maybe if we donot agree to take 70% they will have to return to us the whole sum after 90.day.
But that is if they have enough money by then...
Now im more concerned about wire...
Absolutely no way to take "salary" that big...anywhere...
I didnt mentioned suing...i also believe that would be nothing of that if we even could go that way...
Im only saying maybe if we donot agree to take 70% they will have to return to us the whole sum after 90.day.
But that is if they have enough money by then...
Now im more concerned about wire...
Absolutely no way to take "salary" that big...anywhere...
Maybe the transfer method can be negotiated as well even though they said wire transfers only. You don't have to sue but as long as you don't settle, they can't take what they owe off their balance sheet, meaning the potential for being sued still exists.
I asked Ad Kees if it will be possible to speed up refund because I'm tired of waiting and this is getting me angry a lot. Here's his reply :
p.s. They are lucky because I'm too far away to reach them. If they were in Italy the end will be a little bit different.
Dear *******,
Thank you for your message.
As I explained before we have to release everyone’s money at the same time. There are laws and regulations that we have to respect. I know the situation is difficult but there is no way exceptions can be made.
Again, I am really sorry.
Best regards,
Ad Kees
p.s. They are lucky because I'm too far away to reach them. If they were in Italy the end will be a little bit different.
Dear *******,
Thank you for your message.
As I explained before we have to release everyone’s money at the same time. There are laws and regulations that we have to respect. I know the situation is difficult but there is no way exceptions can be made.
Again, I am really sorry.
Best regards,
Ad Kees
Hey people...
Just curious!
Choice gave all our details to Quadrant Mgt:
-full name
-fcp user (email)
-full amount
Did anyone accepted that their personal information will get to a third party company?
I AM SURE THAT THEY BROKE OUR TERMS OF PRIVACY!!!
They should have aksed me before sending all my personal info to another company!
I can't accept this Scamers calling with private no. and making us "OFFERS"
Just curious!
Choice gave all our details to Quadrant Mgt:
-full name
-fcp user (email)
-full amount
Did anyone accepted that their personal information will get to a third party company?
I AM SURE THAT THEY BROKE OUR TERMS OF PRIVACY!!!
They should have aksed me before sending all my personal info to another company!
I can't accept this Scamers calling with private no. and making us "OFFERS"
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Its not illegal to be paid through a pre paid card service or e wallet or work for a company in another country. That's why almost anyone in the world can work for cam or clip sites. Thats why cam sites have huge legal teams. Working for a cam site makes you an independent contractor and no matter how you are paid you must declare it as such so they do not need tax reps in every country or even representation in every country. Most cam sites require to to agree to not paying tax in us as you are not a us citizen and that you are responsible to declare in your country.
First choice isn't an "off shore account" just because a bank is based in Belize doesn't make it illegal either. They used MasterCard to pay people it was and is legal. They would be paid out from the insurance company and their cam sites and fcp have all the appropriate documents to support where the money came from.
That's why now people can be paid using paxum e payments or cosmo pay. It does not matter where the banks funding these sources are based or the cam sites. Independent contractors have to declare it themselves.
This goes to @avantgart too. Yes you can receive money as you Like. You worked for it. You are an independent contractor. Your cam sites have records of being paid and so does fcp and the shutdown of fcp is a large issue and its clear a settlement would result from that .
You guys make it sound like it will say "payment from drug dealer" when you receive it..
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When we signed up with payoneer we sent documents so account will be in our name.we do not care for arragments between them and banks or any other...i know in this situation we are all under one account in choice bank...but they have to by law to tranfer account on our names!!they will make us criminals otherwise. Nevertheless if transfer will state as settlement or so, we still have no connection to that, no contracts no papers...
You are totally right about the terms of privacy. We did NOT accept our personal information to be sold to anyone!
Regarding whether we should talk to them or not. I think we should and in the process gather as much info as possible.
Believe me...it sounds like that! Im in online business for over 10years...i studied laws..we will not go deeper just this example: i can go and open bank account in many countries, competly legal BUT from their side...if your mother country finds out that you will be sued! Just to have it! Taxes are another story of course.That doesnt apply for eu because their banks are wired together now so you cannot hide anything.
So by logic it should be like you say...but in practice...i can see that you didnt receive anything large in real bank account...and then go to bank to pick it up...
[QUOTE = "mrfunk, post: 942216, member: 46166"] Ho chiesto ad Ad Kees se sarà possibile velocizzare il rimborso perché sono stanco di aspettare e questo mi sta facendo arrabbiare molto. Ecco la sua risposta:
ps Sono fortunati perché sono troppo lontano per raggiungerli. Se fossero in Italia, la fine sarà un po 'diversa.
Caro *******,
Grazie per il vostro messaggio.
Come ho spiegato prima dobbiamo liberare i soldi di tutti allo stesso tempo. Ci sono leggi e regolamenti che dobbiamo rispettare. So che la situazione è difficile, ma non c'è modo di fare eccezioni.
Di nuovo, mi dispiace davvero.
I migliori saluti,
Ad Kees [/ QUOTE]
Caro Italiano, raffredda i tuoi bollenti spiriti.
Io vivo vicino al Belize e ci sono pure stato.
Prova solo una volta una mossa falsa da queste parti (è pieno di Polizia e anche di Polizia Privata) e ti ritrovi con una pallottola in corpo (se ti va male) o in una cella di isolamento senza che tu possa dire "Amen" (se ti va bene).
Si, sei fortunato a stare in Italia e a non metterti nelle rogne in centro America o Sud America, se non conosci bene questo mondo.
Non possiamo fare altro che aspettare e contrattare la percentuale di soldi che decideranno renderti disponibile per il rimborso, perchè non sarà il 100%, molto probabilmente, quello che decideranno inviarti.
However, good luck, buddy!
ps Sono fortunati perché sono troppo lontano per raggiungerli. Se fossero in Italia, la fine sarà un po 'diversa.
Caro *******,
Grazie per il vostro messaggio.
Come ho spiegato prima dobbiamo liberare i soldi di tutti allo stesso tempo. Ci sono leggi e regolamenti che dobbiamo rispettare. So che la situazione è difficile, ma non c'è modo di fare eccezioni.
Di nuovo, mi dispiace davvero.
I migliori saluti,
Ad Kees [/ QUOTE]
Caro Italiano, raffredda i tuoi bollenti spiriti.
Io vivo vicino al Belize e ci sono pure stato.
Prova solo una volta una mossa falsa da queste parti (è pieno di Polizia e anche di Polizia Privata) e ti ritrovi con una pallottola in corpo (se ti va male) o in una cella di isolamento senza che tu possa dire "Amen" (se ti va bene).
Si, sei fortunato a stare in Italia e a non metterti nelle rogne in centro America o Sud America, se non conosci bene questo mondo.
Non possiamo fare altro che aspettare e contrattare la percentuale di soldi che decideranno renderti disponibile per il rimborso, perchè non sarà il 100%, molto probabilmente, quello che decideranno inviarti.
However, good luck, buddy!
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