Guaranteed first page whenever you stream

[figueroastudio]

Hey, I'm a marketer. I don't know if girls on chaturbate value being on the first page or not very highly.
For the sake of the post assume I have the capability.

Two questions:

1) Would you want to be on the first page every time you stream?
2) Would you pay for that service? If so, how much?

Doing some research before I offer this as a service or start a studio. Your responses help me out a lot.

Thanks!

 

[Brit]

Ethics are beyond the scope of this thread so please leave that out.

What a telling response. Also telling that you didn't answer these pertinent questions:

What does your "network" get out of it?

How can you guarantee 1st page placement?

Is it 1st page placement for a few minutes, an hour, the whole stream? What if your network doesn't want to stay in the room that long?

Tips are a huge component of placement. What if no one in your network cares to tip that person?

 

[Brit]

I can't believe I'm spending the time to do this, but whatever.

Here's how you present an idea to businesses. Models, after all, are a business.

Hi,

I'm part of a discord group, which is full of people who love spending time with cammodels. Our group started on reddit (or whatever origin story you have) with just a handful of people, but has grown to (insert however many people are in the discord) and continues to grow. Some of our group is mostly interested in people who fit into (insert x niche here), but many of them appreciate variety and are always looking for someone new to surprise them. We share our favorites in our "hotties of the day" channel and then we all go into that room together to check out who our friend is interested in. Sometimes the model is everyone's type, rarely no one's type, but usually much of the group is interested and then tips the model. We chat together and have fun while clearing countdowns together.

We have noticed that when we all go into a room together, the model ends up hitting page one (regardless of where her placement was before) and stays there for x amount of time. More people begin to enter the room and people who are not in our group begin to tip along with us. Since I am the server owner, I had this idea of utilizing my server as a place for models to advertise. Boosting a server is costly and I would like to grow it to become the place to go for people who love cammodels and maybe even create a website someday (or insert whatever dream/goal you have.) Feel free to check out our server here (insert link to discord). Everyone is welcome to join, but we do have a very strict "no advertising yourself" policy.

Since we don't appreciate spamming (we ban people who constantly spam the same model), I would advertise your stream x amount of times per month for y amount of money in a special "mod pick of the day" channel . Even though models currently hit first page every time they're posted in our group, I can't guarantee that you will since things do change and some people may not be able to be online during your stream. I can, however, guarantee that you will receive more traffic as well as new followers and tippers. I have found that approximately (insert percentage here) of our members end up following a linked model while (insert percentage here) end up being regular tippers. I have these numbers because we are a very chatty and open group. I also do a daily poll asking members if they liked "hottie of the day", did they end up following, tipping, etc.

Because I value privacy, I'm thinking that payment would be done via crypto, probably spankpay. I would never ask you for your personal information. All you would need to do is let me or another mod know when you're going to be online so that we can advertise you. Our group is worldwide and there is always at least one mod online.

You might be wondering if this is ethical. Here's why it is: (give reasons why)

You might be wondering if CB allows this. Here's why they do: (give reasons why)

Would you be interested in something like this? If not, why not and how could this be improved so that you would be interested in it?

Thank you for your time and I look forward to reading your thoughts.

Edit to add: It would be really nice if CB would definitively say if this was or wasn't allowed @punker barbie

 

[yummybrownfox]

The risk can be increased by bitch brigades, groups of models who coordinate attacks against a specific model by reporting her several times within a few days.

I'm not denying that this happens. But isn't it usually butthurt men who report CB models? Lol.

 

[webcamlive]

Are you offering ViewBots ? That's the only way to get first a lot of viewers

 

[tokensarentforkids]

not worth much if you get the model banned...

 

[schruti]

You guarantee first page every time the model streams. That's worth a lot, and I know some models who would happily pay for that service, if the guarantee really covers all risks.

Being on page one usually generates a lot of revenues immediately and, through new followers, for the years to come. If the model misses the first page for one day, will the guarantee cover the loss of income on that day and also during the years to come because she missed followers? If the model gets banned, will the guarantee cover the lost income of a top model for many years to follow? Is that payment secured by an independent trustee? Then it's quite a nice offer.

Or do you just try your best, you keep the fee paid by those models who succeed to get to page one, and you pay back the fee for those models who failed or get banned? In that case, I would like to talk to the models who pay your fee. I have a nice offer for them myself:

Breast enlargement through hand massage!
Success guaranteed! Otherwise money back!

 

[Brit]

This you?

Against the T&C

You will not use any automated (or semi-automated) means to unfairly enhance an account; such as creating a false impression of traffic to any chatroom, or artificially increasing follower count.

Tagging @punker barbie

 

[figueroastudio]

This you?

Against the T&C



Tagging @punker barbie

The answer is no.

I run a discord community with sex workers and their fans. When I point the userbase to a girls room, the influx in traffic has yet to fail in driving the model to the first page.

But thanks for asking and tagging whoever you tagged to get that cleared up early on in the thread!

 

[figueroastudio]

You guarantee first page every time the model streams. That's worth a lot, and I know some models who would happily pay for that service, if the guarantee really covers all risks.

Being on page one usually generates a lot of revenues immediately and, through new followers, for the years to come. If the model misses the first page for one day, will the guarantee cover the loss of income on that day and also during the years to come because she missed followers? If the model gets banned, will the guarantee cover the lost income of a top model for many years to follow? Is that payment secured by an independent trustee? Then it's quite a nice offer.

Or do you just try your best, you keep the fee paid by those models who succeed to get to page one, and you pay back the fee for those models who failed or get banned? In that case, I would like to talk to the models who pay your fee. I have a nice offer for them myself:

Breast enlargement through hand massage!
Success guaranteed! Otherwise money back!

I'm unsure if legitimate traffic would cause a model to get banned. I doubt it would. Maybe you can shed some light there.

 

[figueroastudio]

not worth much if you get the model banned...

I agree. If you're aware of legitimate traffic getting models banned (and the case isn't an inexplicable outlier/mistake), let me know.

 

[figueroastudio]

Are you offering ViewBots ? That's the only way to get first a lot of viewers

No.

 

[Brit]

The answer is no.

I run a discord community with sex workers and their fans. When I point the userbase to a girls room, the influx in traffic has yet to fail in driving the model to the first page.

But thanks for asking and tagging whoever you tagged to get that cleared up early on in the thread!

So yeah, you're basically doing the exact same thing that the other person was doing in the thread I linked. People pay you money and you use your "network" to artificially drive interest to their room.

What does your "network" get out of it?

How can you guarantee 1st page placement?

Is it 1st page placement for a few minutes, an hour, the whole stream? What if your network doesn't want to stay in the room that long?

Tips are a huge component of placement. What if no one in your network cares to tip that person?

Do you feel like this idea of yours is ethical?

I can also guarantee first page placement for any person on CB, regardless of how your stream actually is. I will tell you how to do it for free.

Spoiler: Guaranteed 1st page placement on Chaturbate!

Chaturbate - Free Adult Live Webcams!

Enjoy free chat and live webcam broadcasts from amateurs and exhibitionists around the world! No registration required!

chaturbate.com

 

[cbhours]

Being on page one usually generates a lot of revenues immediately

You would think so right? but nope rarely results in a lot of revenue immediately, certainly helps speed up growth though.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

So a client of yours is paying for promotion, not guaranteed first page placement.

 

[Smoothie]

The way you described your idea sounds more like paid advertising than anything else. Similar to the people that pay for Twitter RTs.

They pay you a fee and you plug their broadcast to a targeted list of people that might be interested, and those people visit and tip (or don’t) as they see fit. Did I miss anything?

 

[schruti]

I agree. If you're aware of legitimate traffic getting models banned (and the case isn't an inexplicable outlier/mistake), let me know.

The problem is that Chaturbate cannot always distinguish legitimate traffic from artificial traffic. I can only guess how they work. I saw models get warnings for unusual traffic patterns, and then it's up to the model to convince Chaturbate that this was not fake traffic ordered by the model. The warnings also make clear that in case Chaturbate notices unusual traffic patterns more often, the will ban the model.

If your visitors will tip, that very much reduces the risk of getting a warning. Still, Chaturbate might find suspicious patterns, for example, lots of users entering at about the same time and leaving at about the same time. The risk can be increased by bitch brigades, groups of models who coordinate attacks against a specific model by reporting her several times within a few days.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

bitch brigades

 

[Dan Epstein]

I work as an SEO and a PPC, and my value proposition is not ranking 1st. My proposition centers around a beneficial experience for my clients and their users, that later on leads to conversions. I don’t do this in the adult realm (lamentably) because I don’t have the same data based tools to drive growth as in vanilla.
I’d suggest OP will do some homework and let go of the pendejadas and trucos. Digital marketing is a broad name for a hard learned and hard earned craft, not a teaser.

 

[figueroastudio]

So yeah, you're basically doing the exact same thing that the other person was doing in the thread I linked. People pay you money and you use your "network" to artificially drive interest to their room.

What does your "network" get out of it?

How can you guarantee 1st page placement?

Is it 1st page placement for a few minutes, an hour, the whole stream? What if your network doesn't want to stay in the room that long?

Tips are a huge component of placement. What if no one in your network cares to tip that person?

Do you feel like this idea of yours is ethical?

I can also guarantee first page placement for any person on CB, regardless of how your stream actually is. I will tell you how to do it for free.

Spoiler: Guaranteed 1st page placement on Chaturbate!

Chaturbate - Free Adult Live Webcams!

Enjoy free chat and live webcam broadcasts from amateurs and exhibitionists around the world! No registration required!

chaturbate.com

Again, no. The person in that thread used bots and was lying about it. I @ everyone in my server, and 150+ proven tippers join the room.
So far that's produced a first page ranking every time (40+) times. If a model paid for it and the ROI didn't make sense, I'd work on pricing with her until it did.
Ethics are beyond the scope of this thread so please leave that out.
CBs official product you posted would be the equivelent to Google's Adwords placements, while mine would equivelent to SEO. Both can co-exist.
It comes down to whether or not in makes fiscal sense for me and the model.

 

[figueroastudio]

So a client of yours is paying for promotion, not guaranteed first page placement.

The offer would be for first page placement. If for some reason I was unable to deliver, I'd offer a refund. Right now I have every reason to believe I could continue delivering on the offer.

 

[figueroastudio]

The way you described your idea sounds more like paid advertising than anything else. Similar to the people that pay for Twitter RTs.

They pay you a fee and you plug their broadcast to a targeted list of people that might be interested, and those people visit and tip (or don’t) as they see fit. Did I miss anything?

You're right. It'd be paid advertising to a targeted group. The main difference is that my community lives on discord, and engagement is higher.

 

[figueroastudio]

I work as an SEO and a PPC, and my value proposition is not ranking 1st. My proposition centers around a beneficial experience for my clients and their users, that later on leads to conversions. I don’t do this in the adult realm (lamentably) because I don’t have the same data based tools to drive growth as in vanilla.
I’d suggest OP will do some homework and let go of the pendejadas and trucos. Digital marketing is a broad name for a hard learned and hard earned craft, not a teaser.

I've been in digital marketing for 13 years. I do promise my (mostly contractor) clients 1st page results or their money back. I've never had to issue a refund.
I also teach them how to turn that increase in traffic/lead flow into revenue.
My homework in that area has been going on for over a decade. This thread is homework for this industry

Focus on the topic of the thread and not me as a person, if possible. It's standard forum etiquette and makes for more constructive threads. Thanks.

 

[figueroastudio]

The problem is that Chaturbate cannot always distinguish legitimate traffic from artificial traffic. I can only guess how they work. I saw models get warnings for unusual traffic patterns, and then it's up to the model to convince Chaturbate that this was not fake traffic ordered by the model. The warnings also make clear that in case Chaturbate notices unusual traffic patterns more often, the will ban the model.

If your visitors will tip, that very much reduces the risk of getting a warning. Still, Chaturbate might find suspicious patterns, for example, lots of users entering at about the same time and leaving at about the same time. The risk can be increased by bitch brigades, groups of models who coordinate attacks against a specific model by reporting her several times within a few days.

Thanks for that. Super interesting. Hearing that, I don't think I'd be able to offer this as a service. The traffic would be from the same people every day, and they would be joining at the same time.

 

[Smoothie]

Thanks for that. Super interesting. Hearing that, I don't think I'd be able to offer this as a service. The traffic would be from the same people every day, and they would be joining at the same time.

That’s another thing. It’s believed that the CB algorithm (while not fully known) offers diminishing returns for new tippers vs. established tippers when it comes to a model’s page rank.

For example, if 150 tippers enter the room one day, it could bump the model to Page 1 for a while. But if the same visitors keep returning, their impact on page rank is reduced even if they keep tipping. They seem to value new/different tippers and visitors above “regulars.” How many visits it takes before they view you as a “regular,” I couldn’t tell ya.

So based on what you proposed, the same 150 tippers would have less and less impact for the model on each visit after the first time.

 

[dusty-of-nymph-dreams]

Ethics are beyond the scope of this thread so please leave that out.

Lol

 

[Delroy]

Again, no. The person in that thread used bots and was lying about it. I @ everyone in my server, and 150+ proven tippers join the room.
So far that's produced a first page ranking every time (40+) times. If a model paid for it and the ROI didn't make sense, I'd work on pricing with her until it did.
Ethics are beyond the scope of this thread so please leave that out.
CBs official product you posted would be the equivelent to Google's Adwords placements, while mine would equivelent to SEO. Both can co-exist.
It comes down to whether or not in makes fiscal sense for me and the model.

Why would the people on your server join the room? What is it in for them? I'm sorry it doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[NotYou]

That’s another thing. It’s believed that the CB algorithm (while not fully known) offers diminishing returns for new tippers vs. established tippers when it comes to a model’s page rank.

For example, if 150 tippers enter the room one day, it could bump the model to Page 1 for a while. But if the same visitors keep returning, their impact on page rank is reduced even if they keep tipping. They seem to value new/different tippers and visitors above “regulars.” How many visits it takes before they view you as a “regular,” I couldn’t tell ya.

So based on what you proposed, the same 150 tippers would have less and less impact for the model on each visit after the first time.

This is the case for a lot of things.
"Unique Hits" are always better than repeat hits.
This has been this way for websites for a long time, and I doubt it's different for CB.

 

[Dan Epstein]

I've been in digital marketing for 13 years. I do promise my (mostly contractor) clients 1st page results or their money back. I've never had to issue a refund.
I also teach them how to turn that increase in traffic/lead flow into revenue.
My homework in that area has been going on for over a decade. This thread is homework for this industry

Focus on the topic of the thread and not me as a person, if possible. It's standard forum etiquette and makes for more constructive threads. Thanks.

What type of digital marketing? Was it data driven, or did you just toss spaghetti at the wall like an affiliate in 2002? Can you link a page position on CB to a lifetime value, churn rate, and value of a conversion? Sounds to me like no one in AJ or Grupo Bedoya would ever take you seriously Sigh, I have a B2B agritech campaign to nurture leads and interactions on other platforms, you know ones that allow you to actually target audiences based on data. Looks like you mainly targeted yourself here.
With regards to etiquette in this forum and community, I have shoes older than you jovencito

 

[schruti]

I'm not denying that this happens. But isn't it usually butthurt men who report CB models? Lol.

I guess that happens more often. If their dick lets them down, they blame the broadcaster. Here I am concerned about reports for violation of the Code of Conduct:

You will not use any automated (or semi-automated) means to unfairly enhance an account; such as creating a false impression of traffic to any chatroom, or artificially increasing follower count.

On the other hand, Chaturbate points out that real traffic by real users is welcome. We don't know how they tell apart real users from automated means to unfairly enhance an account.

Thanks for that. Super interesting. Hearing that, I don't think I'd be able to offer this as a service. The traffic would be from the same people every day, and they would be joining at the same time.

I saw the warnings, but I can only guess about the criteria used by Chaturbate. Having the same people join at the same time may increase the risk. Having different IP addresses and a tip every then and now and may decrease the risk.