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Incel (Involuntary Celibacy)

Discussion in 'Random Chat' started by Ambers Troll, Apr 25, 2018.

  1. Ambers Troll

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    Given that the recent van attack in Canada seemed to be in part driven by this scourge of modern life, I was wondering what everyone here thinks about Incel?

    It has always existed, but do you see it as greatly more dominant in liberated cultures or not?

    The modern version of it, do you think it is an adjustment before a more liberated world? Perhaps it is a sign of being more liberated, especially as more opt out of fighting the discomfort of it? I have for many years been in the 'opt out' group myself, hence the love of spending on cam models.

    Finally if you want to comment about depression, anger, sadness, or the regret of it in yourself or someone you care about, feel free.

    As we are seeing years of anger over it are causing damage, self harm and in recent years occasional explosions of harm to others.
    I'd like to think that a focus on equality and a much more sexually educated population (esp. in times of incel) will eventually lessen the pain for so many.
     
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    Modern incel message was so bad reddit banned the subreddit outright months ago and now it's bleeding into Red Pill and disrupting that channel as well.

    The problem is the modern incel message is usually blaming everything on women and victim play far from the original message. Just like more recent Red Pill due to the influx of incel behavior is no long a message of personal responsibility and self improvement but how to revenge women through odd mindfucks. Same for modern feminism being now more female supremacy than a message of equality. Why people that believe in gender equality but refuse to be called feminist is for this very reason.

    Any movement without a group in charge to keep control of the message with eat itself through infighting. This is the general outcome of any social justice community. Black lives Matters, Anti-fa you name it without control the message with be co-oped and twisted by the most vocal minority inside the group.

    This guy in Canada was an individual who choose to do what he did as an individual attaching his actions to a group to blame the group seems to be the favorite trend for people to build hate toward anything else they might not like. If the media picks up a story about someone burning down a house and finds out they are also a gun owner then the headline will turn into 'When gun ownership turns into arson'.
     
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    The irony her term got so co-oped that it now is completely centered around introverted straight men. However because even her concept of it was based on emotional outcry it was doomed to go down this path. You can't use emotions as facts.
     
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    I honestly can't decipher the OP, but I'll weigh in.

    I've been familiar with the Incel movement for about two years. I sympathize with the individuals, but I think the movement radicalizes young men who would have grown out of their awkwardness if left alone.

    The culture is toxic and Incels actively discourage community members from leaving. Just take a cursory look at /r/braincels or Incels.org. And, you know, their hero worship of Elliot Rodger, a mass shooter. It's not a support group. It's a hate group.
     
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    Social movements without an hierarchy all function is a socialist manner. Which requires maintenance of the group as a whole. Merit and weight of context cannot exist in this environment so the moment a member promotes an individual concept, the group will either demoralize them back into line (eating themselves) or expel them and push all negative aspects of themselves onto the expelled to remove any form of responsibility. You see this the most with the feminism/anti-feminism movements or any right/left arguments.
     
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  7. Vera

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    You're really mixing and matching ideologies with economic systems.

    I think we both agree radical ideologies are a bad idea, but I'm not going to dissect your statement beyond that because I'm pretty sure it's an exercise in futility and I don't get paid for this.
     
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  8. justjoinedtopost

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    I think there is an obvious and blatant push to make the talking point of this van attack revolve around "Incel".

    http://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/04/24/incel-rebellion-van-facebook-post/


    There has been much ado lately about social media being thinly veiled fronts for intel agencies. Whether you believe that or not, there is plenty to suggest the social media companies are happy to assist certain narratives.
    https://globalnews.ca/news/4164340/alek-minassian-facebook-page/
    Never let a good crisis go to waste I guess.



    I have seen the Incel stuff on reddit and all. Usually I don't know who is writing, what their motivation is, whether they are serious or what. Some of it makes sense, some of it is just deranged over the top foolishness.

    I knew somebody in my community (NOT ONLINE) who I lent an ear to through their 20's...they wanted to get married, they were lonely, I listened to them express a lot of sadness and anger until they finally found a mate. There were never any threats of violence, but much of the Incel-lish venting I heard would probably qualify as "toxic" and "hatred" (at least to smaller minds).

    Of course, the guy I was listening to wasn't mentally ill (to my knowledge).
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...nected-to-suspect-in-van-rampage-cites-incel/

    "Suspect in Toronto van attack publicly embraced misogynist ideology"
    yeah, ok [​IMG]
     
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  9. Ambers Troll

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    Thanks for replies everyone. I know nothing about the 'incel movement', it would be as described given the nature of its topics. A site dominated by men is bound to be misogynistic/ androcentric. Since the attacks on Greg Elliot such sites would be impossible to discuss objectively anyway, so am not interested in going there knowing how such discussions always end.

    The personality behind the van attack and the series of life failures that led to the loss of control of his demons is what interests me. In the cam world there are many members who would fit the incel type in terms of sexual expression. How unstable is the type in real life?
    Was really curious to explore that, rather than any links to misogynistic movements.

    The canaries in the mine of deeper concerns about society interest me... I love digging in the dark, that is where the greatest treasures lurk.
     
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    The incel part isn't what made him a murderer.

    Guy here is pretty open about being a virgin and it's pretty clear to me he's not about to hop in a van and run some women down.

    The Toronto van dude was just a giant bag of shit and even if he was fucking women everyday he would have focused in on another extremist way of thinking. He just has zero respect for the lives of others.

    Not getting pussy doesn't make you kill people. Being a garbage human with no respect for human life does.
     
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  11. Ambers Troll

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    I didn't comment for myself because I like others to have a say first... they may lead the conversation to somewhere more interesting than where my current thoughts were.

    I personally don't think there are many more people who would be defined as incel in the modern world than in the past. We stay single for longer or avoid marriage, so I guess the periods of incel are more common.

    Where any frustration/ anger goes wrong is to assume any entitlement to the sexuality of others; this is where it gets psychologically dangerous.

    This is the comment I wanted to make on this topic.
    Sometimes your greatest happiness is to accept what can't be changed (getting angry over an act of nature is pointless), philosophies such as 'the secret' can't help you when it comes to things we have no control over. Things go wrong and frustrations in life are not unusual, be ready for them when they occur, the anger will wash away.
    For those that are incel, it isn't unusual that partnering up is hard especially if you are socially/ physically set back in some way. Don't think that things won't go right for you someday, but being sexually rejected by another is typical, so expect it every time... anger is pointless and will never change that outcome.
     
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    I think focusing on "assuming entitlement to the sexuality of others" is a little nonsensical.

    Forget incel. This was a mass killing/attempted suicide. I think all the bullshit about "toxic" and "hate" and "entitlement" is just there to help condition the masses to their new authoritarian "protections".
    https://www.rt.com/uk/406467-hate-crime-twitter-troll/

    Well meaning, no doubt.

    Anger is pointless? It is part of who we are, and sometimes necessary, just like hate. Now a van attack followed by suicide isn't the best way to express it, but anyone who needs that pointed out for them probably isn't going to hear it anyway. Anger doesn't always wash away; sometimes it builds, and builds, and builds...
     
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    It is when it results from an expectation not based on reality. There is a reason that optimists and those with high expectation such as the wealthiest of us tend to get the angriest.

    It is like being angry over bad driving; the expectation is that everyone can drive, the reality is that bad drivers are common, expected, and not unusual. Anger when reality dashes expectation is pointless.
    Yes people road rage, even to the point of killing someone over bad driving on occasion, but they will never alter how others drive: they are wasting their energy dreaming of things they will never have.
    Lowering expectation to match reality is the only way to lessen anger and maximize happiness.

    Anger does have real world consequences, so is never an excuse from your actions.
     
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    I was incredibly surprised to learn about incel. It never would it have occurred to me that blaming another entire gender for me being single was an option. On a more important note has no one ever told these people about masturbation?

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    A radical thought just occurred to me. What if there is a link between between having a gross misogynistic personality and women not wanting the owner of that personality to touch them?
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    Naaahh that can't be it.
     
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    My favourite incel-related content:
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    These dudes don’t actually want girlfriends; they hype it up like they do but in actuality, if Gigi Hadid fucked them tomorrow, they’d have to find a new scapegoat for all their problems, and that’s too complicated. That’s why they hate Stacys and ugly, unfuckable women equally - there’s no way for women to be acceptable in their worldview, they gotta feel persecuted and to be persecuted, someone’s gotta be doing it to you. You see this same behaviour with all kinds of groups, where the “enemy” can never be forgiven or even listened to, because that might ruin the narrative of the evil oppressor vs the victim.
     
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    Oh, they masturbate furiously, but something something doesn't compare to the real thing.... as if they'd know. And anytime someone suggests to them "just hire an escort if you want sex so bad", they whine on about how "gross" escorts are, and they don't want to pay for sex because women should just be throwing themselves at them instead.

    I've seen some dudes claim that they're incels over the stupidest shit. There was a dude who was calling himself a "wristcel", apparently women weren't fucking him because his wrists were too dainty - my dude, literally nobody but you will ever notice that. A common gripe is that they don't have the "right" brow/forehead, which, again, nobody else notices or even cares about, but keep telling yourself what you have to to keep blaming anything but your shit personality.
     
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    These two, question and answer, go together. Telling an angry person their anger is pointless is, quite frankly, pointless (unless you are hoping to enrage them further). It is there, it must be dealt with. Maybe sometimes it is unrealistic expectations. Other times not.

    A hand full of anecdotes. Where "reason" is listed, insert your "entitlement/unrealistic expectations/dreaming of things they will never have"...
    Someone I knew was driving. Multi-lane expressway. Car in the next lane slowly passes alongside, had literally nothing to do with us, but it sent him into a rage. He hits the brake, swerves over to get behind them, and for the next 5-10 minutes I am fearing for my life as he screams, tailgates, gestures for the other car to pull over, then continues to tailgate as they sped up to 90 mph to try and get away from him.
    Reason: The guy had serious rage issues. No expectations of someone else's ability to drive, the other driver didn't even do anything wrong; this just happened to be where he was triggered. He also had a number of smashed dishes, destroyed personal property, scenes in public, etc. to his credit.

    I was driving. Lady in front of me swerved over two lanes (while braking) trying to get to an exit. Unbelievably, I guess she realized it wasn't her exit and swerved over and cut me off a second time to stay on the expressway. Adrenaline started pumping. I wound up accelerating around her, getting in front of her and slowing down. She tried to go around, I wouldn't let her, driving with one hand while the other was holding a middle finger high out the window.
    Reason: She scared the hell out of me, damn near wrecked me. Fear turned to fury, desire for vengeance took over (admittedly not the way to handle it, but I lost it).

    Police were called out to a store to remove a man who was screaming and cursing, shouting threats.
    Reason: He was being tormented by demons . They would pop out of the corners where the ceiling and wall joined and say horrendous things. He was just retaliating against them as best he could.

    I came home from work upset because of some workplace drama. It had been going on for a while, pissed off a number of people, but this day it had affected me directly. Chainsmoked a couple of cigarettes, paced like a madman, then I did some damage to my hand and some sheetrock punching a wall.
    Reason: Justifiable anger, had to bottle it up, no outlet for it at work (again, not the way to handle it).
    My point is,"entitlement/unrealistic expectations" is overly broad, shallow to the point of uselessness in many cases, and tbh sounds completely detached (except when referring to an individual instance where you have investigated enough to pinpoint that as relevant). I would also argue that bandying such rhetoric around as a result of someone suggesting to you that some "Incel community" may be prone to lone-wolf terrorist acts is hilariously gullible.

    I understand the appeal of wanting to be able to distill something as complex as bringing the emotional/intellectual into harmony down to a simple "lower your expectations", but I think this would only be helpful in some cases.

    And your suggestion that incel types are "dreaming of things they will never have" strikes me as equally questionable. The incel type I mentioned earlier in this thread (there was also a woman I knew that went through the same thing)...it seemed to me they were compelled more by their drive to mate than any unrealistic expectations (referring to real world here, not internet/media propaganda).

    Not disagreeing with you completely, what you say may be right on the money for certain individuals. And I wholeheartedly agree about the importance of dealing with emotions. This is something that I think needs to be taught from childhood; sadly, my own experience was one where such lessons were eschewed in favor of indoctrination and emotional manipulation.

    Any truth in your message may be wasted in a thread where "Look how stupid those hateful radicalized incels are!"/"Look what a good feminist boy I am!" posts might fare better. Keeping your light under a bushel here on ACF is probably going to have limited impact; perhaps taking it to online Incel forums might bring about change (though I would advise stripping out toxic dog-whistles like "equality", "entitlement", "sexually educated", etc...). Who knows, might prevent another random attack; more likely, you would just stir up a bunch of shitposters.
     
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    An article people might find interesting:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...remists-share-one-thing-gender-michael-kimmel

    This article is not about Incel, but it seems very relevant to this discussion. It is about violent extremists and how the thing they nearly all share is their gender. It is written by a male who specialises in this area of study, it is not a feminist attack on men. It's an interesting read, basically the low down is talking about how young men become vulnerable to becoming radicalised. The author has found that what is in common is that young men are often brought up with a sense of what it is to be masculine, perhaps a sense of entitlement for that, and then if they do not succeed in that they feel like failures. To then regain this sense of masculinity they will seek out something bigger than them. This could be a racist group, a radical Islamic group, or in the case of incel, a group of fellow men united in a hatred towards everyone who doesn't share their sufferings. I think the article is interesting in terms of highlighting why some people might become radicalized when others don't.

    It is interesting how any terror attack committed by someone possibly involved with IS is seen as a terrorist attack, while any terror attack committed by a white person involved in another extremist group is seen as the act of a mad individual. For sure IS as a group has more motivation to try to organise attacks, and they are more likely to claim them, but a lot of these online groups are still people who encourage one another to perform extreme acts out of hatred.

    My thoughts on what incel currently seems to be and the types within are similar to my views on a lot of MRA's/red pill followers. The people involved are often people who cannot take responsibility for their own actions, or cannot show empathy for the situations of others. They are often self involved, entitled people. This is incredibly unfortunate as it often makes mockery of real problems men face. We are not talking about a situation where there are nice but less attractive men who aren't getting into relationships. My encounters with anyone who is likely to get involved in either movement have always shown in a very short space of time that it's their personalities which are repulsive to women. It's the people who are shit boyfriends and then when their girlfriend leaves them for someone else they tell every woman they meet how evil women are (and then seem surprised when none of these women want to date them). Or who expect their wives to do everything at home for the children and then bitch when they don't get custody but need to pay child support. Rather than accepting some responsibility and letting go of the anger so they can improve their actions, the anger and resentment increases. Which in turn makes them even less attractive, more set in their ways and basically less likely to get their way. It's basically stubbornness to the point of self harm, where they end up removing themselves so far from societal norms that they cannot fit in. When they want to go back to "traditional values", it's about entrapping a woman who cannot leave because she's financially dependent. I find it hard to have any sympathy for a person who believes they have the right to enslave another person clearly against their wishes for personal gratification.

    In terms of what the original term incel seems to be for, those who have ended up celibate for a period of time without wanting to be, I have a lot of sympathy. I would say issues in the modern world which might make this more likely are potentially the amount of time people spend in their homes alone rather than going into opportunities where they could meet partners. If you spend lots of time on camsites or online chat rooms you are tricking yourself into believing you're socialising and are using up that social energy, while at the end of it you're still alone. The focus is often on men who aren't getting sex, but seeing as gender is approximately 50/50, that means that for every single man there's a single woman.
    I think for some single people the issue isn't that they don't get out enough but that they have too high standards. Sometimes this means a conventionally below average dude continuously only trying to date conventionally above average attractive women. Sometimes it means a woman having unrealistic expectations of a partner which don't match their own attributes. There's a funny Bo Burnham song about this. These inflated standards could be due to being too influenced by the media. If you're a guy who reads glamour magazines of perfect women you might get an unrealistic idea of what is real. I remember an obese friend of mine who had those sorts of posters all over his walls stating that he did not see why he should "lower his standards" after stating that a pretty woman half his size was "too big". Fortunately he grew out of that phase and has been happily in the same relationship with someone similar in size to him for at least five years. The important point is that he is happy as is she, by not being so choosy on looks he found someone with similar interests. I guess ways which could combat this would be by portraying more realistic standards of beauty in film and TV, something which is gradually starting to happen. But also fighting back on men's movements which focus on female beauty in a negative and entitled manner would help in decreasing those who become radicalized.

    Another point to keep in mind is that women's attractions are actually changing. Back in something like the 50s it was hypothesized that women were biologically going to be attracted to wealth and social standing over looks, with men placing more emphasis on youth and beauty. They did find that men and women went for what they hypothesized, but this appears to be cultural rather than biological. This study has been replicated over the years, finding that as women gain financial independence and social standing themselves, their attractions are becoming like men's. So now women covet youth and physical attractiveness on more similar lines to men. I imagine there are plenty of men who don't fit conventional standards of male beauty who are feeling this sting. I don't think it's fair to say it's a "male problem", because it's not. It is becoming an issue men are starting to share though. What I can see being hard is if you are conditioned by your elders your whole life that you don't need to worry so much about looks because so long as you get a job and keep your hair cut you'll be fine, and then when this comes about culture has changed and suddenly you're behind the gym going well groomed men. Girls learn to do make up and wear flattering clothes from a young age. Many men never learn tips on how to dress until they get a decent female friend of girlfriend who'll go shopping with them and help them embrace their own style. There are not huge amounts of guides which offer good style advice for men, while there are shit tons for women. And many dating advice tips I see for men are completely misogynistic aimed towards getting the man sex (often by trickery) rather than about getting involved in healthy relationships.
    I don't believe any of this is what creates the sort of anger that comes from current incel types, but it could be factors in making it harder for people to find sexual partners.
     
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    It's the first time I'm hearing that term "Incel".
    Growing up in Jerusalem, I've seen more than a few violent terror attacks at my door step, and I still don't consider myself an expert. Sometimes a doctrine is more of a by-product, than an explanation to the root of the event itself. What I wish to say is, that even non radical people, are capable of very radical actions, the human psyche is that complex.
     
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    The author is a well known feminist, a professor of sociology specializing in gender studies.
     
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    I can't really wrap my head around this concept and it seems weird that anyone would be entitled enough to buy into it. To say you're involuntarily celibate, and ignore the fact that masturbation exists, would mean feeling it's somehow a right to have access to another person's body and you're being denied that right. That is gross. I hope it's the grodiest thing I hear today at least. I had no idea this was a thing. With the existence of the internet, let's be real. You could be anyone and find someone with willing genitals. So, it can't just be that they feel denied human contact. The level of physical attraction they feel deserving of is for sure involved. Why have sympathy for any of that?
     
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    That is exactly their mantra from what I've seen. It's so much easier to put the blame on every else for these fellas.
     
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    That is where my sympathy ends, too. Feeling lonely and like it’s hard to make a connection with fellow humans? Totally empathize with that. Sad because hot teenage virgins want to date each other and not schlubby virgin dudes in their 30s? Not so much.

    In general the amount of discussion around these entitled dudes astounds me, but I guess they lash out violently so it’s kind of warranted. But ugly, schlubby women exist and are also lonely and sad. I think society as a whole likes to ignore these women, though, so that combined with less inclination to entitlement and violence means nobody cares. I’m surprised I haven’t seen any articles on the female equivalent, but I’m also not surprised because people like to ignore unfuckable women. If anyone has seen an article though, I’d love to see it!
     
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    In that article earlier, due to incel being co-opted by men, Shy girl or Forever alone was used. But these terms came under attack too, under the assumption that even ugly women can easily get sexual interactions with others if they want them i.e. unfuckable women don't exist.

    IsabellaSnow nice well thought out post ...thanks for that
     
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    But, for that to be the difference, we have to buy into the idea that ugly men cannot get laid. I don't. Maybe before the internet and travel, but not now. I think the difference is that women are not seen as having sexual "needs" the same way we paint men. Men are often shown as animals with urges while women, for women, sex is seen as something we give. If that were true, there wouldn't be so many sex toys in the world. :wasntme: I would actually argue that it's easier for an ugly man to win over more attractive women than the other way around. A physically unattractive man really need only build wealth to get women. If he has wealth and has kindness, he'll be seen as father material. Heck, even just kindness without wealth will get an unattractive man laid. So much of a woman's worth in our society is built on looks that ugly women barely get noticed no matter what else they add to their world offerings. Even beautiful women are expected to age out of being worthy of sex in our culture. It's so bizarre to me how often 20 something year old men want to be the victim instead of just getting a job and maybe talking to people with a modicum of care. Life is not that hard.
     
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    God, could you imagine the ridicule they'd get? I have seen some situations where less attractive women admit to being lonely and they get severely trolled about their looks, even in news articles this sometimes happens. I've even seen this happening with attractive women. No one would ever blame men for not getting with these "less attractive" women, absolutely not in the same way women are blamed. It's so interesting to think of how ingrained our culture is that even if (like me) you don't agree with men having an entitlement to a woman's body, you still find it totally ridiculous to consider a woman acting so entitled over a man's body yet you're not that shocked when men do the opposite.

    It's not that different though to when a girl chases a guy who doesn't want to date her and she's labelled as "crazy", a "stalker" or a "psycho", but when a guy chases a girl who doesn't want to date him he's "friendzoned", seen as the victim of her being a bitch and leading him on. It takes a while for guys to be given these labels, even though men stalking and harassing women in the criminal sense is far more common. "Ugly" women are so often blamed for their looks in a way men rarely are. And for sure, maybe they could "have sex", but to see it in such a black and white view completely misses the fact that sex may not be what they want. Being able to have sex doesn't necessarily mean they can gain the love and intimacy they may desire more than the act itself. Sex you can pay for, love and intimacy you cannot. So I'm definitely more inclined to feel sympathy for those who cannot find love than those who are angry and bitter that they aren't getting sex. As Jicky said, physically unattractive men get laid all the time. Even physically unattractive men with the personalities of a shoe get laid. Men on the other hand who are not only ugly physically, but completely repulsive through and through are going to freak women out.

    I do think it's good to think about why there are men like this around, but in terms of what's gone wrong culturally and why there are men who are for some reason unable to evolve with the times. I think it's also important to try to work out how to stamp out these sorts of movements before they become incredibly dangerous for women. It only takes a few crazy individuals to start raping/murdering women out of hatred, and it definitely seems that people can motivate each other to do horrific acts.

    I might have mentioned this story before on ACF, but a guy moved into the same campground as me when I lived in Australia. My first interaction with him he sat down at my table while I was painting and proceeded to basically tell me that women are evil and men are good. Physically he was not unattractive, facially fairly average but he was very tall and broad. Personality wise he was toxic. He blamed all women because he'd been cheated on, as though men don't cheat on women too. He refused to accept that any woman might have been hurt by a man, and looked extremely disgruntled when I listed a few things that'd happened to me at the hands of men which I wasn't holding "men" as a group accountable for. I refused to speak with him again, but he had several incidences with women during his stay where he was intense, stalkerish and basically badly behaved. Of course they had no interest and eventually after a big row with one he was asked to leave. He was exactly the sort to buy into the MRA/Red pill stuff, and I feel this incel idea would also have been up his street. He didn't become that way because he got hurt by women, he was clearly always that person, possibly why his ex did cheat on him (if she even did). He wasn't being rejected by every woman he met because of his looks, it was because he was a total tool. CoffeeKnight's joke hit the nail on the head. And in many ways it's relieving that women are sensing some danger in men who will go on to discuss mass rapes against women for daring not to sleep with them.
     
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  28. justjoinedtopost

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    From incels.me "Intro to Inceldom"
    "secundary" :haha:
    So it appears sex is not the main issue, at least according to the Incel spokesperson running this particular forum.
    Interesting, because I went to this forum after seeing some screencaps of some over-the-top wishes for violence. A recent thread expressing the hope for a few rapes with the next mass killing got the poster quickly banned, and several other members delighted at the guest attention it brought.

    Poking around, seemed to mostly be a sad mix of edgy and mopey. Goth comes to mind here. Not without it's laughs though. For instance...
    "If psychology was an honest profession it would be on the 2nd floor of a whorehouse."
    lol

    Rounding up the people involved and disposing of them has historically been the favored method.
     
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  29. CoffeeKnight

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    I had never heard of Incel before this thread and the whole group is just so stupid. I will never understand the mentality of wanting to be a victim so badly, both in that group and in others on and off line.
     
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  30. JickyJuly

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    I'm on a good amount of meds currently. Hopefully I'm making as much sense as I think I am. Hehehe. But, let's say these poor, poor boys are being deprived of the hot woman flesh they greatly need. Going with their own fictitious problem, would the answer not clearly be to legalize prostitution and treat sex workers as helpful folks? In these incel groups are they advocating for sex workers? Guessing not... afraid to look.
     
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