The psychology behind a 500,000 token tip

[PunkInDrublic]

So would regularly in models room+regular tipping+gift buying be a more effective method that one can use to gain a models' trust. From my sources there are a few guys on mfc that meet up with some models and some are even dating the models on and off.

I have no idea on how best to gain a models trust but keep in mind that some models also escort or allow you to pay them to hang out/date raffles so the guys that are "dating" the models aren't really dating them if that makes sense. And you're being pretty creepy guy, tone down the creepiness please.

Being curious about how some people are doing social engineering is far from being creepy, ofc this may be the wrong kind of forum to talk about it since this subset of the internet population is a little more sensitive than other areas of the internet I visit.

Yeah alright, might have jumped the gun a bit on calling you creepy, my bad dude. We can be pretty quick to call new people here with similar questions creepy and end up being right about it so I was just trying to fit in haha jk, fitting in is for chumps.

 

[Azhrarn]

I'm just curious how that part of cam sites actually work because it is interesting.

Short answer is that it's not part of how cam sites actually work. But in those rare circumstances where a cam girl does want to have contact with you in any way off-site, she will let you know.

 

[NyxieDay]

Its up to the model if she wants to give out her number or not to a particular member I just don't see simply asking as being a sign of a creep, although it may be construed as a person that is rude without manners depending on the culture of the model the member is visiting and what her particular rules may be.

You do not have to ask though. Models that want you to have it will give it to you.

This.

Every single member who knows my personal information never had to ask for it. I shared it with them when I was comfortable doing so.

That being said, I don't think it's strange for them to ask and I don't take offense to it either, but they might just find themselves banned from my room after asking. My personal information is not something I freely share and since I never know how someone will react to me saying "no, I don't share/sell that info" I get a little nervous responding to the random guys who ask within minutes of coming into my room. Depending on the vibe I get from them they might get banned immediately. If they ask a second time they will definitely get banned. Why? Because some guys don't handle rejection of any kind well and they think "well, if she won't share it with me I'll just do some investigating and find out on my own". It happens ALL. THE. TIME. There are fucked up people out there who have nothing else better to do with their lives than to try and "out" girls in the adult business, stalk/harass them or otherwise try to destroy their life. You (whoever is reading this saying "But Kitty, I would never do that!") may not do that, but I (the collective 'we') don't know that. Trust me. Until you become a model, tell a member no and then have to deal with the terribly negative consequences of saying no, please don't say it's just as easy as saying no. Sometimes it just isn't. You haven't lived until you've experienced a man in his mid 40's lose his shit and act like a 4 year old who just got a sucker taken away because you wouldn't tell him your first name...or where you live...or run off and marry him because why the fuck not, Kitty??????? What's wrong with you??????

:-D

Honestly, there are many models that are so guarded about their privacy, that they don't even talk about how guarded they are, because they don't want that statement to act as bait for people who get their thrills from being predatory.

Also, even the fact that someone is repeatedly asking about asking for model numbers and hypothesizing what kind of attentions a tip can get...I find that in itself creepy.

It's about playing the probabilities, risks, and benefits. You've heard the term Schrodinger's Rapist? Well, the same principle applies here.
You as an individual may have no creepy intentions. However, a model needs to weigh that against the frequency with which people, even well-funded people (or, especially, well-funded people) with otherwise normal-seeming social skills/prestige, stalk/harass/hurt or just outright scare or troll models. Or women in general. So you may not yourself be a creeper. But if you're raising the creeper flag, that's what we're looking at first.

 

[NyxieDay]

Readers, take note:

The dudes on here writing at length about the importance of their own and models' privacy, respect, and personal space....that is so very sexy. It also stirs up the beginning feelings of trust. I begin to smile and feel more enjoyment in their company.

And they haven't tipped me a damn thing (that I know of). So there.

 

[LoonaVision]

the 500,000 tokens tip would make me feel very obligated.
I mean, why this person tipped that much?
$40 000 is a LOT!
I must be SOMETHING to get such a big tip.
An "OMG, baby, thank you soon much for this generous tip!" would be way not enough.
And what are expectations of the tipper after this big tip?
Did he expect to hear just thank you? Or do i have to marry him after this?
Unless this person is super rich and $40 000 is not a big deal for him, so big thanks would be enough.
But for how many people $40K is not a big deal? not many, at least on MFC.

 

[RebeccaT]

I've had basics who really don't have spare money but they scrape together $20 to become a premium to tip me their 200 tokens. I love the psychology behind that.

If I was tipped 500,000? I think my spontaneous orgasm would last for days, maybe weeks... :-D

 

[Ambers Troll]

It's about playing the probabilities, risks, and benefits. You've heard the term Schrodinger's Rapist? Well, the same principle applies here.
You as an individual may have no creepy intentions. However, a model needs to weigh that against the frequency with which people, even well-funded people (or, especially, well-funded people) with otherwise normal-seeming social skills/prestige, stalk/harass/hurt or just outright scare or troll models. Or women in general. So you may not yourself be a creeper. But if you're raising the creeper flag, that's what we're looking at first.

Reminded me of a bus ride to work once. I sat behind a young woman, and had a coughing, clearing throat session... She moved, I had creeped her out. I knew that and was very offended.
The funny thing is 25 years ago she was right to worry, but no one was concerned back then. This was my first experience of being the creepy old man, next time hopefully it is more fun. For women out there trust your instinct, not your fear, there is a massive difference.

 

[TacoBelle]

This thread's new direction/focus reminds me of the Tweets people send to Wil Wheaton about the Big Bang Theory. Things like, "OMG. You were so mean to Sheldon! I hope you die, douche!" not realizing that he's an ACTOR on a TV SHOW who happens to use his real name. (IF that isn't just his stage name)

 

[JerryBoBerry]

This thread's new direction/focus reminds me of the Tweets people send to Wil Wheaton about the Big Bang Theory. Things like, "OMG. You were so mean to Sheldon! I hope you die, douche!" not realizing that he's an ACTOR on a TV SHOW who happens to use his real name. (IF that isn't just his stage name)

Wil Wheaton was born Richard William Wheaton III.

 

[DudeExtreme]

I can't imagine giving 500K at once, but that's just me. If this guy is used to giving 100K, a 500K might be his maximum point (or maybe not). My best tip ever wasn't my biggest tips or anything close to it. It was 2992 tokens because of the logic behind it. Up to that point giving one 2992 tip was a huge mental challenge for me. I was in my favorite model's room and didn't think I could ever win a major contest for a customized video, etc. That night I feel extremely confident and kept letting the model know in a PM that I was going to win. When I did the model cried as if I gave her a million tokens. She knew that I had given my all at the time. After that event, I begin plotting and saving etc to give her, her biggest tip ever about two weeks later.

About two months later, she introduced me to this forum and I read her posts from that time. That night before I dropped the big one, I was tipping her like I normally did not to arouse suspicion. It was neat to see her thoughts at the time between steady tips and one big one.

 

[LilyMarie]

Why are euro models more open about where they live than are models from the States, also with names euro models seem to(or in the past) to be more open with their real first name.

In my experience foreign models, depending where they are from, will more readily give personal info because they hope to get something from you -- cash.

It could also be that they figure there is no harm in telling an American guy where they live on the other side of the planet.

I really don't think they think like that.
There was a Taiwanese member recently who decided to visit an American Streamate model in the American city he thought she lives in, hoping to meet her and start their lives together. IIRC he stayed near the airport for several days tweeting, waiting for her to show up.
It was super scary. I don't see why American guys (or any other nationality) don't have the same potential at getting delusional / creepy like the guy from Taiwan.
Anyone can fly anywhere. Just because I'm in Europe doesn't mean I'm any safer than other camgirls. So I'm not open about my name or city either.

 

[Nordling]

Why are euro models more open about where they live than are models from the States, also with names euro models seem to(or in the past) to be more open with their real first name.

In my experience foreign models, depending where they are from, will more readily give personal info because they hope to get something from you -- cash.

It could also be that they figure there is no harm in telling an American guy where they live on the other side of the planet.

I really don't think they think like that.
There was a Taiwanese member recently who decided to visit an American Streamate model in the American city he thought she lives in, hoping to meet her and start their lives together. IIRC he stayed near the airport for several days tweeting, waiting for her to show up.
It was super scary. I don't see why American guys (or any other nationality) don't have the same potential at getting delusional / creepy like the guy from Taiwan.
Anyone can fly anywhere. Just because I'm in Europe doesn't mean I'm any safer than other camgirls. So I'm not open about my name or city either.

Agree, plus I really don't know that non-US models are all that more open about their private information. After all, how would a member know that "SophieXXHot" from Bulgaria who tells them her name is Prudence is really even telling the truth? lol I've known a few American models who lie just to avoid continued conversation about their private data.

 

[PRISM]

Why are euro models more open about where they live than are models from the States, also with names euro models seem to(or in the past) to be more open with their real first name.

In my experience foreign models, depending where they are from, will more readily give personal info because they hope to get something from you -- cash.

It could also be that they figure there is no harm in telling an American guy where they live on the other side of the planet.

I really don't think they think like that.
There was a Taiwanese member recently who decided to visit an American Streamate model in the American city he thought she lives in, hoping to meet her and start their lives together. IIRC he stayed near the airport for several days tweeting, waiting for her to show up.
It was super scary. I don't see why American guys (or any other nationality) don't have the same potential at getting delusional / creepy like the guy from Taiwan.
Anyone can fly anywhere. Just because I'm in Europe doesn't mean I'm any safer than other camgirls. So I'm not open about my name or city either.

Most of the Romanian models seem to be okay stating the city they are in.

 

[LilyMarie]

Why are euro models more open about where they live than are models from the States, also with names euro models seem to(or in the past) to be more open with their real first name.

In my experience foreign models, depending where they are from, will more readily give personal info because they hope to get something from you -- cash.

It could also be that they figure there is no harm in telling an American guy where they live on the other side of the planet.

I really don't think they think like that.
There was a Taiwanese member recently who decided to visit an American Streamate model in the American city he thought she lives in, hoping to meet her and start their lives together. IIRC he stayed near the airport for several days tweeting, waiting for her to show up.
It was super scary. I don't see why American guys (or any other nationality) don't have the same potential at getting delusional / creepy like the guy from Taiwan.
Anyone can fly anywhere. Just because I'm in Europe doesn't mean I'm any safer than other camgirls. So I'm not open about my name or city either.

Most of the Romanian models seem to be okay stating the city they are in.

Here's a crazy idea, maybe that's because it's not actually their city.

 

[PRISM]

Why are euro models more open about where they live than are models from the States, also with names euro models seem to(or in the past) to be more open with their real first name.

In my experience foreign models, depending where they are from, will more readily give personal info because they hope to get something from you -- cash.

It could also be that they figure there is no harm in telling an American guy where they live on the other side of the planet.

I really don't think they think like that.
There was a Taiwanese member recently who decided to visit an American Streamate model in the American city he thought she lives in, hoping to meet her and start their lives together. IIRC he stayed near the airport for several days tweeting, waiting for her to show up.
It was super scary. I don't see why American guys (or any other nationality) don't have the same potential at getting delusional / creepy like the guy from Taiwan.
Anyone can fly anywhere. Just because I'm in Europe doesn't mean I'm any safer than other camgirls. So I'm not open about my name or city either.

Most of the Romanian models seem to be okay stating the city they are in.

Here's a crazy idea, maybe that's because it's not actually their city.

And here is an even more crazy idea, it is their actual city in the majority of cases.

 

[LilyMarie]

And here is an even more crazy idea, it is their actual city in the majority of cases.

And you know that because...?

 

[eclipse76]

Why are euro models more open about where they live than are models from the States, also with names euro models seem to(or in the past) to be more open with their real first name.

 

[eclipse76]

And here is an even more crazy idea, it is their actual city in the majority of cases.

You're a weird dude.
Just put yourself in a cam models position for a moment, or any sex worker for that matter: even in the most liberal countries of this planet (i.e. not the U.S.), sex work is still stigmatized, people think it's degrading, and you can be assured you'll hardly find a "decent" job if you're outed. Add to this the fact that cam website will concentrate a higher proportion of social rejects & weirdos, because their mental issues will prevent them from attracting any mate in real life, and maybe you'll understand why no rational cam models will ever share her contact details, real life name, jobs, and so on (minus the happy fews who gained their trusts). They are a privileged target due to their work and the status of this work in the public eye.

 

[PRISM]

And here is an even more crazy idea, it is their actual city in the majority of cases.

You're a weird dude.
Just put yourself in a cam models position for a moment, or any sex worker for that matter: even in the most liberal countries of this planet (i.e. not the U.S.), sex work is still stigmatized, people think it's degrading, and you can be assured you'll hardly find a "decent" job if you're outed. Add to this the fact that cam website will concentrate a higher proportion of social rejects & weirdos, because their mental issues will prevent them from attracting any mate in real life, and maybe you'll understand why no rational cam models will ever share her contact details, real life name, jobs, and so on (minus the happy fews who gained their trusts). They are a privileged target due to their work and the status of this work in the public eye.

FFS, I was just talking about it seems that on average euro models give out real first name+city more often. There is nothing weird about that.

 

[JordanBlack]

And here is an even more crazy idea, it is their actual city in the majority of cases.

You're a weird dude.
Just put yourself in a cam models position for a moment, or any sex worker for that matter: even in the most liberal countries of this planet (i.e. not the U.S.), sex work is still stigmatized, people think it's degrading, and you can be assured you'll hardly find a "decent" job if you're outed. Add to this the fact that cam website will concentrate a higher proportion of social rejects & weirdos, because their mental issues will prevent them from attracting any mate in real life, and maybe you'll understand why no rational cam models will ever share her contact details, real life name, jobs, and so on (minus the happy fews who gained their trusts). They are a privileged target due to their work and the status of this work in the public eye.

FFS, I was just talking about it seems that on average euro models give out real first name+city more often. There is nothing weird about that.

You're so naive :roll: ...

 

[Fay_Galore]

And here is an even more crazy idea, it is their actual city in the majority of cases.

You're a weird dude.
Just put yourself in a cam models position for a moment, or any sex worker for that matter: even in the most liberal countries of this planet (i.e. not the U.S.), sex work is still stigmatized, people think it's degrading, and you can be assured you'll hardly find a "decent" job if you're outed. Add to this the fact that cam website will concentrate a higher proportion of social rejects & weirdos, because their mental issues will prevent them from attracting any mate in real life, and maybe you'll understand why no rational cam models will ever share her contact details, real life name, jobs, and so on (minus the happy fews who gained their trusts). They are a privileged target due to their work and the status of this work in the public eye.

FFS, I was just talking about it seems that on average euro models give out real first name+city more often. There is nothing weird about that.

how do you even know that? I don't think that's true to be honest, what I used to do (at my former camsite) is have a screenname and then when people ask 'what's your real name' I would say it's Fay. so they would feel all insider and groovy and such. maybe they just wanted to be nice to you

Also, I do list my real city, because somehow SOME people do know Amsterdam but don't know The Netherlands.... it's true.

 

[PRISM]

And here is an even more crazy idea, it is their actual city in the majority of cases.

You're a weird dude.
Just put yourself in a cam models position for a moment, or any sex worker for that matter: even in the most liberal countries of this planet (i.e. not the U.S.), sex work is still stigmatized, people think it's degrading, and you can be assured you'll hardly find a "decent" job if you're outed. Add to this the fact that cam website will concentrate a higher proportion of social rejects & weirdos, because their mental issues will prevent them from attracting any mate in real life, and maybe you'll understand why no rational cam models will ever share her contact details, real life name, jobs, and so on (minus the happy fews who gained their trusts). They are a privileged target due to their work and the status of this work in the public eye.

FFS, I was just talking about it seems that on average euro models give out real first name+city more often. There is nothing weird about that.

how do you even know that? I don't think that's true to be honest, what I used to do (at my former camsite) is have a screenname and then when people ask 'what's your real name' I would say it's Fay. so they would feel all insider and groovy and such. maybe they just wanted to be nice to you

Also, I do list my real city, because somehow SOME people do know Amsterdam but don't know The Netherlands.... it's true.

Most of the Romanian models I've been to seem to have given people there real first name(its actually less real name and more fake now) and were okay with saying they lived in Bucharest,

When they later send you a request on FB and they are friends with like other models, it kinda confirms it lmao as many models then pop up under the "People You May Know" section on FB.

 

[Ambers Troll]

All this talk of models sharing details in this thread makes me want to ask about some of the member experiences of this. Those you trust as honest details that is.

Other members may be able to confirm or deny the same, but for me most real information I have recieved from models was either freak accident (model didn't mean to share), or observation (I happened to notice it over time), as often as freely volunteered.
The breakdown in my experience has been pretty much even.

Some models don't mind too much certain information being known to some members, even sometimes their full name, and address. Many can trust certain members with their first name, and city, knowing there wont be much interested in anything beyond this.
For most a second name from the model name is used as their real name (middle name is popular), the real city/ region can be disclosed safely enough, but they hope nothing more is.

I actually observed once that a model was camming from my city, she lives about 20km away (she later confirmed suburb). I told her I noticed where she was from, and shared my general location. I even knew roughly where in the city and how far away she was from what I observed. She was shocked by how (this I wont share).

One freak accident, a model just told me her full name because she thought I already knew it. She was getting videos removed with her real name posted on them, she shared this because I went through this experience with her previously (same guy releasing the info). I had never asked her for it before, I always just used her model name , even in PM.
Other instances of accidental release include addressed reciepts from companies over gifts, mess ups from the model where she puts in real details and so on. Had two where a model miscommunicated with her friend and used her real name.

Instances of deliberate sharing include such things as sharing bank details for a transfer and so on. And of course wanting to share something such as their first name (unconfirmed in most cases of course).

From a member perspective, the first name is ok, but the rest is more stressful than anything else to know. How do you tell a model that you found yourself online chatting to her little brother for instance?
Any member wanting to know too much detailed information is a bit creepy in my opinion. Models should question their need to know, and so should the member of themselves.

Having said that accidents happen, friends share more details with each other, and sometimes you just catch something you weren't meant to know. Members should keep in mind some of the risks that models take for our pleasure, this is part of why we reward them so well (maybe even with 500 000 token tips).

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

My experience have been similar. Most of the instance have been inadvertent. A first name, the smallish city they actually live in as oppose to that state, and sometimes info about another model. In at least one case the model told me her real first name and I promptly forget, early Alzheimer's I guess :-D. It has always been associated with a model that I spent a lot of time talking to and very number of tokens on... Certainly not somebody that a wandered into their room 2 days ago a gave them 100 token tip.

I am somewhat interested in where a model lives, I am pretty well traveled so there is a decent chance I've been near there and it is something to talk about. I don't really understand the fascination about finding somebodies real name. Nor do I really get models concern about only living in cyberspace. Knowing a model lives in Amsterdam doesn't help a ton if I was trying to stalk them. To me the single most important thing that a model should keep private about is her real birth date. There are only about 5,500 girls born a day in the US (and much smaller number in other countries). Their names are all a matter of public record, and generally easily available online. A birth-date plus other information like eye color, ethnicity,a state or even region really narrows a search for somebodies true identity

 

[Shaun__]

I know the real name and location of several models, but despite this not a single one has ever married me and made an honest man of me. It is almost like it is not worth spending excessive amounts of time trying to get that kind of information. That it does not change the member model relationship noticeably, except for the fact that the better I know a model the more rules she usually has for our interactions.

 

[ramblin]

Like Hawaii, I actually quite enjoy having location as a possible topic of conversation with the few models that have decided to be completely public with that information. I don't expect this, I don't pry, and if it seems like it might have been a slip-up then I assume it was and erase/compartmentalize that (for honest IT folks this is second nature due to how much seriously private stuff we encounter on the job). I don't interpret the public sharing of location as an invitation to visit, and I tend to subconsciously assume that those that are the most public are also the models with the strongest defenses (psychologically, socially, and physically).

I also enjoy having a "real" name to use, but I couldn't care less if that "real" name is the one on their ID, and I always assume it isn't. It's just more natural and fun to be able to call someone Jane or Katie or whatever vs. fuckmyholes1234.

 

[DivSavel]

I also enjoy having a "real" name to use, but I couldn't care less if that "real" name is the one on their ID, and I always assume it isn't. It's just more natural and fun to be able to call someone Jane or Katie or whatever vs. fuckmyholes1234.

No offense intended to fuckmyholes1234, but with a name like that I don't think she wants to be a conversationalist.. "Hello Kick/Gen/Pinkie/Aeryn/Vee" still rolls off the tongue well in conversation!

Have you ever had a friend with a nickname? It might not be their real name, but (assuming the nickname is voluntary) they still identify as that name! I have internet friends who know my real name and still call me by my username because it feels right. I am no less Div than I am Wendy! Hell, I've had friends whose birth names are weirder than Div.

[cue the googling of Div/Wendy connection. the connection: I fucking love baconaters ]

 

[moonvssunandstars]

I know on cb we receive a little less then 50% Members pay 11 cents per token and we receive 5 cents per token.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I know on cb we receive a little less then 50% Members pay 11 cents per token and we receive 5 cents per token.

That's only the case when the member buys the 100 token package. If they do the higher ones they get cheaper.

 

[fawkesy]

The best part definitely was her genuine reaction to the whole thing. The tipper is now also pretty much famous, at least in our world, so he got something of it too. He probably feels pride in being able to knock her off her feet. What a generous man! Shit that tip was an entire YEARS salary for me working my full time job as an EMT of 48-96 hours a week! She's a very lucky girl!