Olivia

[ramblin]

She banned me last night for telling her respectfully that her show was inappropriate and that profiting from a genocide is in bad taste. I was respectful, mind you, I didn't call her names or said anything violent AT ALL. But she let the antisemitic comments go on and on and didn't care to ban those saying that all jews should die. This is telling.

Were you on your model account, or an account that references your model account? If so it may simply support the war on other models approach.

Since its been mentioned so much and ASSUMED it was one of Hitlers speeches, I feel the need to ask, which of you are fluent in german? Mine is very rusty but from what i did decipher, it was a speech about "token domination",....

That's interesting. I'm very curious if there was something (or a whole lot) in there that we missed. The youtube link again below.

Spoiler

 

[dilligaf0]

I think most will agree that with all the recent controversy about the confederate flag in the U.S., the timing of her "show" may have been in bad taste.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

She banned me last night for telling her respectfully that her show was inappropriate and that profiting from a genocide is in bad taste. I was respectful, mind you, I didn't call her names or said anything violent AT ALL. But she let the antisemitic comments go on and on and didn't care to ban those saying that all jews should die. This is telling.

Yes the number of anti-Semitic comments were so overwhelming that I couldn't watch (plus I hated her music) for more than 5 minutes at time. I'd say they out numbered the complaints about the show respectful and otherwise by at least five times..

 

[Mila_]

Were you on your model account, or an account that references your model account? If so it may simply support the war on other models approach.


That's interesting. I'm very curious if there was something (or a whole lot) in there that we missed. The youtube link again below.

Spoiler

No, I wasn't on my model account, I never go into other models rooms on my model account. It was my perv account, the name of which has no relation to my model name.

 

[BasicBasic]

I think most will agree that with all the recent controversy about the confederate flag in the U.S., the timing of her "show" may have been in bad taste.

I agree. Insult to injury.

Regarding the chat in her room... I've never seen anything like that on MFC with the posting of anti-semitic images and text along with the attacks in the opposite direction. It was amusing for a couple minutes and then became overwhelming. I literally felt sick and had to get out of there.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I hope some Germany, Austrian , or Dutch citizen sends the YouTube video to the proper authorities along with a explanation and they come down hard on MFC.

I'm free speech absolutist, so I don't agree with their laws banning any type of Nazi symbols, but it is certainly easy to understand why they enacted them.

MFC reached a new low yesterday.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Hmm, am I the only one that feels sympathy for MFC admins in this debacle? They're in a shitty spot, and no matter what they do they're going to upset people and lose money. On one hand you have an extremely high earning model with a huge fanbase who is known for pushing the envelope. On the other you have tons of members threatening to leave. On one hand you try to keep the website mostly uncensored, on the other...it's fucking SS. On the other hand...top earner.

Personally, I think they should have cut her feed immediately and suspended her account for a week. But I can also appreciate the position they were in, especially when you've got people from all sides yelling at you and going crazy and giving you lots of money and threatening to never give you money again. Ive personally never had their specific problem so I can't say I'd handle it better. At the end of the day they're just people and who knows what sort of conversations about this they were having behind the scenes.

But really, we all know Leo is rich enough to eat some profit and shut down her cam. And I do think they chose poorly. But man, I don't envy their position last night at all.

 

[Nordling]

I hope some Germany, Austrian , or Dutch citizen sends the YouTube video to the proper authorities along with a explanation and they come down hard on MFC.

I'm free speech absolutist, so I don't agree with their laws banning any type of Nazi symbols, but it is certainly easy to understand why they enacted them.

MFC reached a new low yesterday.

This post makes absolutely no sense. You say you're 100% in favor of free speech, and yet you want a country that isn't, to act on banning free speech. Oxymoron. MFC stopped the activity when it came to their attention.

 

[weirdbr]

I hope some Germany, Austrian , or Dutch citizen sends the YouTube video to the proper authorities along with a explanation and they come down hard on MFC.

As disgusting as Olivia's show was, that approach would only affect European models (and members) and wouldn't change a thing...

 

[MrShepard]

I hope some Germany, Austrian , or Dutch citizen sends the YouTube video to the proper authorities along with a explanation and they come down hard on MFC.

I'm free speech absolutist, so I don't agree with their laws banning any type of Nazi symbols, but it is certainly easy to understand why they enacted them.

MFC reached a new low yesterday.

Ehhh, I dunno. Getting governments involved could be bad news for MFC and models.

I think they need to put some stronger policy in place (which always helps) but not a government enforced one, or one pushed through because of media attention. Remember when the "Library Girl" happened? MFC shut down all public shows. While yes, different circumstances and way more risk for MFC, still, I don't think this should get too blown out of proportion.

Hmm, am I the only one that feels sympathy for MFC admins in this debacle? They're in a shitty spot, and no matter what they do they're going to upset people and lose money. On one hand you have an extremely high earning model with a huge fanbase who is known for pushing the envelope. On the other you have tons of members threatening to leave. On one hand you try to keep the website mostly uncensored, on the other...it's fucking SS. On the other hand...top earner.

Personally, I think they should have cut her feed immediately and suspended her account for a week. But I can also appreciate the position they were in, especially when you've got people from all sides yelling at you and going crazy and giving you lots of money and threatening to never give you money again. Ive personally never had their specific problem so I can't say I'd handle it better. At the end of the day they're just people and who knows what sort of conversations about this they were having behind the scenes.

But really, we all know Leo is rich enough to eat some profit and shut down her cam. And I do think they chose poorly. But man, I don't envy their position last night at all.

I totally agree Veronica. I think they got a lot of complaints and tweets and went "uh... we should maybe tell her to knock it off... shes making a lot of money and stuff?" which I think was the right thing to do. I would have put on a 1 day suspension, but thats like a day off anyway to a model (I think).

I don't think its right for members to say they will leave because of it or for models to stage a protest and not work for a night. Sadly, we're all just spokes in the proverbial wheel that is MFC. That wheel will keep going long after we all go, unless they invent Holodecks.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Ehhh, I dunno. Getting governments involved could be bad news for MFC and models.

I think they need to put some stronger policy in place (which always helps) but not a government enforced one, or one pushed through because of media attention. Remember when the "Library Girl" happened? MFC shut down all public shows. While yes, different circumstances and way more risk for MFC, still, I don't think this should get too blown out of proportion.




I totally agree Veronica. I think they got a lot of complaints and tweets and went "uh... we should maybe tell her to knock it off... shes making a lot of money and stuff?" which I think was the right thing to do. I would have put on a 1 day suspension, but thats like a day off anyway to a model (I think).

I don't think its right for members to say they will leave because of it or for models to stage a protest and not work for a night. Sadly, we're all just spokes in the proverbial wheel that is MFC. That wheel will keep going long after we all go, unless they invent Holodecks.

I mean, ultimately members can utilize whatever site they want to. But I don't think it's really fair to the MFC models they want to support by leaving the site. I guess they could go to CB, which is notorious for banning models and keeping their hard earned money and not providing support or explanations, or they can go to SM which keeps a ridiculously high percentage and has shady marketing/advertising practices; that is, if the models you want to support are even on those sites.

All the major cam sites are shitty, let's get real. If you start thinking too much about who's really profiting big from this industry, I dare say nobody would ever go to any of them anymore and we'd all be out of a job. Would you like fries with your high moral ground?

 

[LydiaFrost]

.only because these symbols are banned in germany, the goverment/ law of germany won't be able to do anything about it.

that would be like asking them to get involved in camgirls smoking weed on cam who live in the states, where it is legal to do it, but isn't in germany.

as long as you aren't a german model doing this/ using these symbols there isn't anything to be done.

and i wouldn't be a fan of gouverments/police getting involved in mfc stuff personally.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

This post makes absolutely no sense. You say you're 100% in favor of free speech, and yet you want a country that isn't, to act on banning free speech. Oxymoron. MFC stopped the activity when it came to their attention.

I think MFC routinely flouts laws, and hides behind the BS that its the models responsibilities to know and obey laws.
No they didn't they stop the activity. The banned a model for her KKK (satirical) performance which isn't illegal anywhere and only cut off Olivia for a few minutes for an activity which is illegal in some countries.

As to the effectiveness hard to say.

In googling Nazi laws in Germany. I came across an official US State Department paper on German laws in describing Germany's laws on free speech. It listed child pornography and Nazi propaganda in the same sentence as prohibited speech.

Imagine I set up a webcam site in one of the scores of countries which have no laws on child pornography. Now one of my top models invite her 16 year old friends to do a live sex show with her. How do you think US authorities would react to that show? I'd would be tough to not get my website shut down in the US, and if there were multiple instances I'd be probably be indicted and facing extradition. I doubt there'd be any defenders on ACF of either the model or my camsite.

Now I'm not 100% sure what Olivia did is illegal in Germany, but based on what game companies have had to do to make their WWII cloud games allowed in Germany I suspect it is.

 

[Nordling]

Jesus, you are stretching your imagination here. Why is it so important to you to punish a site, ALL ITS MODELS, just because you were offended by one model's show? How are you "absolutely for free speech" when these posts are totally about censoring. I don't really care about what laws other countries have...or even my own country...if the law is an ass.

* oh, and I don't care if they only banned Olivia's show for a few minutes, the point is, she stopped the "nazi show." End of tale.

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

@HiGirlsRHot
You're really gonna compare her prancing around in a stupid costume, to child porn? Seriously? They're both prohibited in Germany but that doesn't mean they're equally bad. Red Herring much?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Ehhh, I dunno. Getting governments involved could be bad news for MFC and models.

I think they need to put some stronger policy in place (which always helps) but not a government enforced one, or one pushed through because of media attention. Remember when the "Library Girl" happened? MFC shut down all public shows. While yes, different circumstances and way more risk for MFC, still, I don't think this should get too blown out of proportion.

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It took government involvement until MFC eventually did the right thing and shut them done. I think that's a good thing. I constantly see tweets, posts about how sex workers want to be respected, not shamed yada yada. Sure a lot of ostracization is because it it involves sex and there are a lot of prudes. But for a lot of us the issue we have with the sex industry has nothing to do with the sex and has everthing to do with all the other shit that goes on. This includes flouting laws, disrespecting other people, and generally sleaziness.

Now what Olivia did is pretty much all of the above. Appealing to MFC to have some standards of decency is a lost cause, but involving the law gets their attention. I don't want to be associate with website that anyway condones this action.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

@HiGirlsRHot
You're really gonna compare her prancing around in a stupid costume, to child porn? Seriously? They're both prohibited in Germany but that doesn't mean they're equally bad. Red Herring much?

It was the state department that put them in the same sentence not me. Stuff is illegal or its not. I think you clearly don't grasp how big an issue the Nazi past is to many European countries.
It is considered far more offensive than taking pictures of 16 or 17 year old girl naked in many parts of the world. I've be cultural acclimated to be disgusted by child pornography, but since there are something like 90 countries that don't have laws against it is far from a universal value.

 

[Snowie1969]

That is the point.. I never tipped Olivia nor will I ever even if she was the last model on this world and I had all the money. She had most of Europe blocked, but I have hidden her now. Leaving MFC would punish other models that I do like and tip for something they had no part in, and that would not be fair to them. Still, I am in favor of somewhat more action.. be creative: exclude her from every month's Miss MFC or something.. Suspend her for a while or ban her outright for that matter.. Freedom of speech may protect you from legal action, but it does not take away all the consequences of your actions.. nor should it ever.

 

[Pikachai]

Actually, the reason I am so pissed is because I am jewish and my grandfather was a Holocaust survivor. For the first time last night I was ashamed of working on MFC. Most of you didnt see it unfold, but the string of antisemitic vile in her room last night was apalling, and she didnt ban them, she didnt do anything. This is why
I dont think she is innocent. What she did resonated with white supremacists and antisemites, something that would NEVER happen with The Producers and Springtime for Hitler. No neo-nazi would applaud that because it is a mockery. But they were in Olivia's room last night cheering and MFC did nothing. My grandfather survived the product of jew hatred and it always begins innocently.

Just a reason I wasn't speaking in definites. You're well within your right to be angry of course. But I am still of the opinion that a lot of people are inherently angrier because of the amount of money involved. I definitely noticed that a lot more people decide to jump in to argue the bigger the name is of the cam girl. A lot of people will argue a lot more with Aella when she comes around even though it's sparsely because she's a big name with controversial ideas, and I remember a lot of girls arguing a lot more with you than a smaller fish over your opinions as well. That's all. If she hadn't made any money at all i'm pretty sure we'd all just be like, "good, glad that's done with." Not all of us, just some of us.

ok, we get your animosity . IF you knew anything about Olivia, you would know she almost never bans the common trolls, haters, douchebags and idiots. She lets the room play with them and they usually go away.

Since its been mentioned so much and ASSUMED it was one of Hitlers speeches, I feel the need to ask, which of you are fluent in german? Mine is very rusty but from what i did decipher, it was a speech about "token domination",.... AKA - her desire to run for #1 this month. It fell in directly with the "Blitzkrieg MF" in her topic. This absurdity of her being a nazi or any of the other hateful things shes been called here is laughable, especially since very few of you have ever spent time in there or talked with her. It's the same as many other things, folks read the title of something and all of a sudden POOF !! you have the wisdom of the ages and are the all knowing, all seeing "Karnack the Magnificent".. [Not that that holds any meaning for most of you kids]
My suggestion to any of you that are easily offended about .. well, .. anything. stay away from her room. If it starts off like this, I can only wonder whats next... Some parody of Muhammad, some other bearded extremist, perhaps the Pope again. maybe a visit from Obama or Putin.... Maybe even one of the Romanian leaders in jail on corruption charges... who knows ?
I can make a safe bet it will be controversial and stir the pot of the easily offended PC crowd. The ice machine is down at the end of the hall for all the butthurt thats gonna happen.

BTW.... welcome Brewhammer. great thread to lose your posting cherry. :~D

woaaaaaaaaaah. This is a game changer. If this speech is really about tokens, then for me that really solidifies the "joke/parody/whatever" as a whole and takes it right out of attack territory and right into cam girl shenanigans of poor taste. I would be interested in a translation as I don't speak german, but honestly this whole thing is just dead to me anyways.

As far as getting the govt. involved? Woah. If you really think that getting the law involved over a girl who blocked the country where it's illegal well.. you probably just need to chill out, step back, and take a breather. This is in no way that big a deal. We're simply commenting on a spectacle, I don't think there's much to fix or change here.

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

@HiGirlsRHot
I grasp the fact that any child involved is a living being, that's alive right now and being harmed. There's the difference. You don't get the same exact punishment for every single crime because some shit is a lot worse than other. You could say in one sentence, "Stealing, raping and killing are all illegal actions." Are these things all equally bad? Because they're in the same sentence?
NO.
If you don't like MFC practices just take your business elsewhere. A legal crusade against the largest cam site is just...dumb.

 

[bob]

I agree that Satire and Parody are indeed the rights of everyone to have. But heres the thing: I don't know if her show WAS. It was just her recreating the Nazi propaganda and wearing it. There was no mockery of it. There was no twisting of it to be anything more than 'sexy' and for shock value.

It's certainly understandable that not everybody is going to enjoy Olivia's theater, but please: we are talking about camland here, where twisting of almost anything for values that are "sexy" and "shocking" is the holy grail for some models. And while I can appreciate that some of the women and men here feel strongly about values that meet some kind of appropriate standards when it comes to sexy and shocking, we don't all share the same fetishes. To me, the worst that can be said about Olivias work (in this case sex and fascism) is that it is too provocative for a lot of our comfort levels.

If she DID try to do it out of jest, I suppose I could forgive her for it (not that I would forget this). But if it was just like what the characters in The Producers were doing and exploiting it for profit, then that is obscene to me.

My guess is for the latter....and by that definition, almost everything at mfc could be defined as obscene. Who knows? Maybe that was the point.

 

[dilligaf0]

You should see the comments by the geniuses on the YouTube video.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Love her or hate her(or like not really care), hard to not appreciate how mad and jealous she makes some models and members. In a business where most of the people act the same, where uniqueness and individuality are rarely on display, she is quite the character. Still unfunny, maybe I don't get the joke, but her ability to stand out and get people talking about her is admirable. Hope her next, eh not really sure what to call what shes does, hope her next thing has more of a point and isn't just for shock factor.

 

[BasicBasic]

What I can't grasp is how someone thought this show was a good idea. Was she sitting around watching the news about racial tension and thinking... "Hitler... yeah... a Nazi show with pop music... yeah.. and a dildo"... "and I'll say it's an experiment... or comedy".

Maybe that new golden crown caused some brain damage?

The crazy thing is... she never had to do this show. This girl gets tipped for doing nothing. Literally. One night she went off cam for over 5 mins looking for a bottle of wine and her tip count during that time was in the thousands. No snapchat, video sales, friend adds, etc... She just has to do her shocked mime act while crappy distorted music played and the crowd goes wild. A bizarre little world.

Olivia will return and continue on. Obviously, the NeoNazi crowd are big tippers and that golden goose is still somewhat young.
Besides...it's not like she was in a library for goodness sake!

 

[Ambers Troll]

I thought of her persona as one more in line with the movie Iron Sky. I missed what exactly was said in her room, but I suspect some of it was part of the show, as a show it would only work if she held her nerve and kept agreeing with/ regurgitating nazi garbage. She definitely wanted it to be polarizing.
Olivia seems to be quite the troll, noticed her camming from hospital last month I think, going for the ultimate sympathy tokens. This time it was blitzkrieg. It was a poor choice of show, sometimes the smallest disturbance can cause a Limnic eruption, and just as much CO2 pollution.

 

[JickyJuly]

Olivia is consistently thought to be more interesting, artistic and smart because she stands among dolled up half naked girls doing something vaguely odd. I find that to be far more offensive than her used up, half assed Nazi nonsense. She works in shock value and drama, and if she did so anywhere else she would go completely unnoticed. She's as interesting as Marilyn Manson is evil

The first amendment doesn't really come into play here. It's MFC's right to censor or not censor anyone as they see fit. Free speech just means Americans don't go to jail for yapping about America. Everyone wants to compare inequality on MFC which is juvenile. You're in business with MFC. The girl who makes more than you is worth more to them. Get over it. It doesn't mean anything personal. Would I cut a boring show that could come off as hateful if I were MFC? I sure would. Am I MFC? Nope.

The thing that blew my mind was all the people Tweeting her picture and links. Like, why give her promo?

 

[BasicBasic]

She's as interesting as Marilyn Manson is evil

haha... zing!

 

[UncleThursday]

Olivia has every right to be as distasteful (even offensive) as she wants. However, she should not think that having that right shields her from criticism. This is probably on par with her Arab/Muslim with the AK-47 show from a while back.

I saw calls for her to be banned from MFC over the show... I say she should be banned for her broadcasting copyrighted sports events, like the SuperBowl, or her Friday Night Movies, where she takes up about 1/10 of her screen and the rest is a movie. But, because she is a consistent high earner, we all know MFC won't do anything about these things.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

People talk about how she doesn't do anything, but man...I think nearly every cam model in existence is guilty for doing nothing and feeling like it's super duper hard. There are definitely days when making myself look somewhat presentable and clicking the broadcast button and being the dullest cam model on the Internet is like climbing a mountain.

To be honest we have no idea how much time and effort go into production with her. I'm not a fan of her shows but I'm just annoyed that because people don't like her shows obviously it means she doesn't put effort into them. They're obviously well thought out, more than lots of girls. I think the idea of her nazi show was lazy, but she did write an entire speech in German and got together the costume and props and got a podium and set up her camroom etc. etc. if it wasn't nazi themed people would think that in itself is impressive. People think I'm impressive when I throw on some shitty clown makeup and fuck a dildo attached to a puppet. *shrugs*

 

[PunkInDrublic]

if it wasn't nazi themed people would think that in itself is impressive. People think I'm impressive when I throw on some shitty clown makeup and fuck a dildo attached to a puppet. *shrugs*

Well, as nauseating as this is going to be for me to suck up here, you have more than one act. I have no idea really but I'm pretty sure a lot of what you do requires more time and effort and energy and thought and creativity than whatever she put in to this.