How Can This Be?

[camstory]

Quick question - I was just going to let this go, but it keeps bugging me. I am hoping some of you can help me understand this. The two biggest hams on cam that I know, both told me when I suggested they might be just right for the casting call of Cam Girlz the movie, that they didn't like being in front of cameras? Am I missing something here? Both, as I said, are very much the goofball actresses in their room, dressing up, singing, pantomime, impressions. If it were not that these two were such Hams, I would just write it off to them being very comfortable in their room and not thinking of it as being on cam, but b/c they are such big hams, I am wondering if there is some juxtaposition that makes sense that I just don't see? Thanks.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Just accept their answers at face value and respect their choice.
This thread is super rude and disrespectful to these women. You are basically asking an entire forum to argue with their comfort levels, not cool.

You're doing that weird overanalyzing thing again... you should stop that.

 

[Jillybean]

I didn't really bother reading the whole thing because I gathered it was complaining about models not wanting to be on cam for that documentary. But I have to say, those screenshots make me love you models! You guys are such cute, adorable, and funny girls! I need to hang out in your rooms sometimes when I'm feeling sad or something!

 

[Rose]

Big difference between being in front of a webcam and in front of a film crew. Just sayin, it's what they're comfortable with and pushing them or not accepting their answer is rude.

 

[camstory]

Just accept their answers at face value and respect their choice.
This thread is super rude and disrespectful to these women. You are basically asking an entire forum to argue with their comfort levels, not cool.

You're doing that weird overanalyzing thing again... you should stop that.

Wow JJ that was not my intent at all. I did totally accepted both answers to my question , - never even questioned it except to ask them why they thought that was. I am just curious. that's all I think it's wonderful that they are so comfortable in there room and think it is fine if they don't want to be in front of the cam otherwise. I did not mean the question to be adversarial at all... Forget I asked sorry.

 

[lordmagellan]

Wait. Am I missing something? I don't see any complaining and I don't see any pushing. I suppose you can make the argument that by posting the pictures, he's singling the girls out, thereby making them feel like he's trying to convince them further. I'll give you that. But I'm sure that's not what Cam's going for, he's just illustrating his point. He's not trying to force anyone into anything, he's trying to understand why someone who is obviously comfortable on cam in one instance is going to say they are uncomfortable on cam in another. I think it's a fair question for someone that doesn't understand.

Now, Cam, (not to put words into anyone's mouth) I think you have the answer-they're comfortable on their own cam. I can only use myself to illustrate. I've talked about the play parties I attend with my kink group. While there, I'm wide open; running around, talking to whoever, getting naked, flirting, I'm me. Now, get me in a big crowd, even with those very same people around, I find a spot in the corner and stay there. I'm out of my element, I'm out of my comfort zone. There's just something about being in your personal, established environment that allows you to cut loose and expose who you are (in more ways than one). I don't think it's that far a stretch for these girls to feel the same in regards to camming. On their own they know where they are, where they stand, who the audience is (mostly), and they have all control. Pop in someone else with a camera and all that's gone.

Also, that pic of Veronica as Leeloo makes me want a multi-pass. :drool:

 

[JordanBlack]

Quick question - I was just going to let this go, but it keeps bugging me. I am hoping some of you can help me understand this. The two biggest hams on cam that I know, both told me when I suggested they might be just right for the casting call of Cam Girlz the movie, that they didn't like being in front of cameras? Am I missing something here? Both, as I said, are very much the goofball actresses in their room, dressing up, singing, pantomime, impressions. If it were not that these two were such Hams, I would just write it off to them being very comfortable in their room and not thinking of it as being on cam, but b/c they are such big hams, I am wondering if there is some juxtaposition that makes sense that I just don't see? Thanks.

:? I seriously don't remember being asked...but for sure I would've said no for numerous different reasons, main one being privacy. I'm quite the oddball IRL, I'm shy and not very comfortable with the thought of being the center of attention. I've been camming for a very long time, but I always kept myself under the radar, to the point I always steered away from popular sites, until 1 year ago when I joined mfc.

Don't get me wrong, my online persona is not that much different them the real me. I just find it more comfortable being "JoBlack" in a controlled environment aka my chat, I establish the rules, the comfort level, the shows and what kind of people I want to entertain. Even when I'm controlling those variables on mfc, I'm still gonna be darn awkward every time I meet someone new - I'll blush, stutter and say stupid things until I get somewhat used with that person. To give you an example, last year ZoeXO (she retired from camming) came over in my chat to say hello and brought with her about 100 other people, good gawd I was quite overwhelmed - I started mumble and giggle like a silly girl :lol: . There was this hot & popular chick that has noticed me, started advertising me and filled my room with all these guys that started tipping me and ask me all sorts of questions, yet instead of taking the chance to make myself pleasant, I freezed LOL.

Oh and something else, that would be quite inconvenient - bloody location!!!!

 

[Evvie]

♥ It's probably a generation gap, but I'm not sure why you are calling these ladies "ham".
♥ Doing webcam shows and being a part of a documentary are two radically different things that are not really comparable to each other. The mere presence of a camera does not make them alike.
♥ Just because someone is hammy doesn't mean they are open to anything or that nothing makes them feel uncomfortable.
♥ You KNOW that both of these women are members of this forum, and I feel that you posted the screen shots to call them out. Why don't you just send them a private message instead of dragging them in to a public discussion about why they don't want to be a part of the documentary?

 

[VeronicaChaos]

In my room, I have complete control, and I am watching my show in real time.

Bad lighting? No problem, I'm the lighting person.
Crappy song? I'm the DJ.
I don't feel well? I can leave.

I may ham it up on cam, but believe me, when I sign off I'm the most boring person ever. Why would I want to show everyone that? It takes a lot of energy to be on cam and act comfortable in front of the camera.

Privacy isn't a concern to me because I'm "out" but then there is also the consideration that I don't have control over how they make me look. A lot of people who do expose's on the adult industry paint it in a very bad light. Regardless of how I view myself, or others view me, it would be incredibly easy to slander my character and turn me into a pathetic stereotype with some bias and editing.

It's the same reason people don't want to be on reality television, even people that like being in front of the camera.

Also, last time I was in a documentary I hated how I looked/sounded. I had to reassess my personality for months afterward.

Lastly, why single out Jo and myself? You said it's because we ham it up and act so comfortable on cam, but ALL camgirls play and hype themselves up on cam. That's our job. You could argue that ANY camgirl not wanting to do this documentary is contradicting herself by not being comfortable in front of cameras.

Fact of the matter is, I don't think some viewers understand just how comfortable the buttons "ban" and "end broadcast" make us in our rooms.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

this is the weirdest thread. YOu say you're not questioning it,

I did totally accepted both answers to my question , - never even questioned it except to ask them why they thought that was

yet the title is "how can this be?" you are questioning it. publically.

 

[Jessi]

You're comfortable being silly on camera /=/ comfortable being in a film that could be seen by people outside the industry

Just like
Camming /=/ comfortable doing porn or escorting
Coing adult work /=/ comfortable hooking up with anyone
Dressing sexy on cam /=/ wearing revealing clothes in public
Wearing revealing clothes /=/ having sex
Using dildos /=/ liking men

I can think of a million things someone might not do even if they do other things that seem related.
Camming looks easy or silly or fun because we work really hard to make it look that way. We're entitled to want to shut that off at the end of the day and relax rather than sharing our day-in-the-life or behind-the-scenes with everyone.

 

[GoddessAiren]

I did totally accepted both answers to my question , - never even questioned it except to ask them why they thought that was.

Is there a reason why you called them out in a public forum rather than just asking them privately? If someone did that to me I'd feel uncomfortable..

 

[JordanBlack]

I was not offended by Eric's post AT ALL (maybe just the chosen pictures LOL)! He asked a question and I answered.

Group hug....?

 

[SoTxBob]

Jfuckingchrist.. talk about making something tongue in cheek into adversarial.... Granted, I'm 'just a man' that knows absolutely nothing, but knowing this gentleman pretty well, I used the 'facepalm-lol' voice when reading it and not the "all-up-in-yo-business-serious-as-hell-voice"... but then again, some folks love to create drama where there isn't any intended. :snooty:

 

[Anonymous]

some folks love to create drama where there isn't any intended. :snooty:

I don't think people are trying to create drama. And it's been said before that he tends to over-analyze things. He had a discussion with cam girls about a cam girl movie, and they weren't interested. Any further harping on the subject could've been done via PM. Creating a call-out thread (I know 'call-out thread' makes it sound bad, but that's actually what this is) asking for opinions is silly. LET IT GO.

I do think that camstory is a very nice guy who just tries a little too hard to help give his favorite models free publicity or whatever.

 

[camstory]

In my room, I have complete control, and I am watching my show in real time.

Bad lighting? No problem, I'm the lighting person.
Crappy song? I'm the DJ.
I don't feel well? I can leave.

I may ham it up on cam, but believe me, when I sign off I'm the most boring person ever. Why would I want to show everyone that? It takes a lot of energy to be on cam and act comfortable in front of the camera.

Privacy isn't a concern to me because I'm "out" but then there is also the consideration that I don't have control over how they make me look. A lot of people who do expose's on the adult industry paint it in a very bad light. Regardless of how I view myself, or others view me, it would be incredibly easy to slander my character and turn me into a pathetic stereotype with some bias and editing.

It's the same reason people don't want to be on reality television, even people that like being in front of the camera.

Also, last time I was in a documentary I hated how I looked/sounded. I had to reassess my personality for months afterward.

Lastly, why single out Jo and myself? You said it's because we ham it up and act so comfortable on cam, but ALL camgirls play and hype themselves up on cam. That's our job. You could argue that ANY camgirl not wanting to do this documentary is contradicting herself by not being comfortable in front of cameras.

Fact of the matter is, I don't think some viewers understand just how comfortable the buttons "ban" and "end broadcast" make us in our rooms.

I guess I should have made it clear that, what I went by being hams, was that you and Jo are so relaxed in your chat that you feel free to do whatever you want. And the thought to single you two out was an after thought, perhaps not a good one, but you can see how I wrote the post was to keep you anon, and then thought it would be flattering to add pics of you two. I had meant the post to be complimentary - it seems I missed my mark, but b/c It has been so taken differently than how I intended, I am not going to go any further in this thread. Is that a huge cop-out? Maybe, but if I am answering to something I did not mean, b/c I wrote the post poorly than that is what I take as the lesson. but I am not going to defend, or apologize for what I did not mean. My apogee is that I wrote a badly worded post. carry on.

 

[TashaDutch]

I'm not sure if i just read the thread different, but what i read, was someone presenting a personal experience, and then turning it into something that he wondered about.

So what i read, knowing Eric a little better is something along the lines of:

I know 2 models, and i see them on cam alot having fun, and beeing natrual talented in front of it.
But when i asked if they would be willing to get filmed for a documentry
They told me they didn't feel comfortable.

I do not understand this connection, because i dont think i, personally would be uncomfortable
Maybe we can talk about it, and i can have a better understanding about it

I understand where everyone comes from
But i see pride in these photo's and descriptions
Not someone who is trying to get people free advertisement, or call them out for something he think they should do

To some people this forum is very personal, and i know it is to Eric
I can imagine Eric would feel alot more akward to just write down '2 models', because these are two women he respects and admires

This forum is so big, with so many different people, it's hard to get slightly 'off the road'
One word, in one sentence, can get across really differently
Why? well because we're like a thousand different people, and it would be creepy and sheep like if we all thought and wrote the same thing over and over..

a little empathy goes a long way...

 

[JoleneBrody]

Apologize if I misunderstood the intention of this thread and jumped on you but as my last post states, it really appears as if you were just putting two particular models on blast and asking and entire forum to dissect them and their choices, which is of course super tactless.
As far as just a general discussion, I totally get your curiosity and I guess the way you presented it was just very confusing.

 

[Rose]

I understand the intent of this thread, but including the pictures was still 'calling out' in a sense and can be embarrassing for those being posted.

Camstory, a better way for you to have posed this question to the forum would have been, "these ladies, names removed for anonymity, have said they aren't comfortable filming for a documentary but they both cam and are comfortable camming for a live audience online. What is the difference and why might this be? I'm curious to know what the reasoning behind this is." That would have been an excellent way to get your question answered without putting anyone on the spot. :thumbleft: Whenever asking questions about a personal situation, it's always best to err on the side of keeping involved parties completely anonymous unless you have their explicit permission.

So since you didn't ask that way, I will so we can see what the different answers from the ladies of this forum (and members too) will be.

For those of you comfortable in front of a webcam and streaming live online, why might you not be comfortable filming for a documentary or working with a film crew?

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

I understand the intent of this thread, but including the pictures was still 'calling out' in a sense and can be embarrassing for those being posted.

Camstory, a better way for you to have posed this question to the forum would have been, "these ladies, names removed for anonymity, have said they aren't comfortable filming for a documentary but they both cam and are comfortable camming for a live audience online. What is the difference and why might this be? I'm curious to know what the reasoning behind this is." That would have been an excellent way to get your question answered without putting anyone on the spot. :thumbleft: Whenever asking questions about a personal situation, it's always best to err on the side of keeping involved parties completely anonymous unless you have their explicit permission.

So since you didn't ask that way, I will so we can see what the different answers from the ladies of this forum (and members too) will be.

For those of you comfortable in front of a webcam and streaming live online, why might you not be comfortable filming for a documentary or working with a film crew?

I personally am unsure with exactly how much exposure I want. recent experiences dealing with the media and "spin" have left me with a really bad taste in my mouth. I like the control I have with camming.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Maybe they have SO's that don't want to be on camera.
Maybe they live in a very well known place and if the camera men filmed it, their location would be known.
Maybe they don't want to clean their houses. lol
Seriously though, there's a ton of valid reasons that they might not be fully comfortable saying.

 

[AmberCutie]

I know and understand what "being a Ham" means, but I still completely get turned off at the sound of it. It's an old school term for someone being good in front of an audience.... I feel like we could come up with a more relevant/current word for that.

It's way too close to the words "porker" or "cow" to me, which mean completely different things, and those of us cam girls who aren't very thin get these words too frequently and the word "ham" hits too close for me, personally. It isn't cute.

 

[BlueViolet]

I know and understand what "being a Ham" means, but I still completely get turned off at the sound of it. It's an old school term for someone being good in front of an audience.... I feel like we could come up with a more relevant/current word for that.

It's way too close to the words "porker" or "cow" to me, which mean completely different things, and those of us cam girls who aren't very thin get these words too frequently and the word "ham" hits too close for me, personally. It isn't cute.

I thought the exact same thing and was going to comment on it, though for me it sounds too close to comparing us to just a piece of meat.

 

[AmberCutie]

I know and understand what "being a Ham" means, but I still completely get turned off at the sound of it. It's an old school term for someone being good in front of an audience.... I feel like we could come up with a more relevant/current word for that.

It's way too close to the words "porker" or "cow" to me, which mean completely different things, and those of us cam girls who aren't very thin get these words too frequently and the word "ham" hits too close for me, personally. It isn't cute.

I thought the exact same thing and was going to comment on it, though for me it sounds too close to comparing us to just a piece of meat.

Yeah, same smell.

Either way, it's just a term we don't hear much in the way it was originally intended in this day and age, and probably doesn't sit well with a lot of folks.

I feel like this thread is just another episode of Camstory over analyzing things and creating unnecessary, verbose posts which draw the wrong sort of attention and reply than what he intends.

 

[lordmagellan]

I know and understand what "being a Ham" means, but I still completely get turned off at the sound of it. It's an old school term for someone being good in front of an audience.... I feel like we could come up with a more relevant/current word for that.

It's way too close to the words "porker" or "cow" to me, which mean completely different things, and those of us cam girls who aren't very thin get these words too frequently and the word "ham" hits too close for me, personally. It isn't cute.

I thought the exact same thing and was going to comment on it, though for me it sounds too close to comparing us to just a piece of meat.

Is bacon okay? Everybody loves bacon.

 

[LadyLuna]

About the ham thing... I totally understood it, but... I grew up around that language, cause I always talked with people much older than myself. After all, people older than me would listen and treat me with respect. My peer group was derogatory and insulting towards me. And younger people didn't have the knowledge to keep up with my conversations yet.

All that aside... I get that I'm not one who always looks completely comfortable on camera. But I often do. And that's just the reason why I don't want to show them. I don't want them to see just how uncomfortable with camming itself I am. Right up until I'm in front of the camera, I am nervous about it. To an outsider, it would look like I'm being lazy and possibly eating too much, but every moment of the day when I'm camming serves one of two purposes- get myself relaxed enough to take the plunge, or make my apartment a little cleaner. Since cleaning stresses me out so much, if I have to do major things I spend a lot of time doing something else with little bites of the cleaning interspersed throughout.

Having a film crew there would make me so nervous I might not be able to get on camera at all! And I don't do well with change, so I certainly wouldn't be myself in front of them. The only way they'd be able to see the real me is if they were to spend five weeks filming me, and only keep the last week of it. Aside from all that, one of the main ways I get myself calmed down is a very bad kinda disgusting habit that I really don't want the world to see.

And I know we noted that a lot of camgirls seem to be introverts. There was a theory for awhile that it's one of the few ways introverts can get an acceptable level of interaction and attention, without being completely drained. Put a bunch more people in the room and that level of separation which allows me to deal with people at all is suddenly breached. Not good.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I wouldn't want to do a camgirl movie. I'd probably do a scripted sordid drama version, you know, where I'd actually be an actress instead of showing people my real life.

Reasons:

-Although I am honest with most people in my real life and it's hardly a big secret, I do not discuss it with my parents, my father doesn't know, but then I don't tell him about much. I have grandparents who would probably be horrified. I have many aunts and uncles and cousins, so them knowing openly would cause upset in the family. Most of the people who I don't wish to know struggle to use the internet, so I really doubt are ever going to see me on cam, but if there were a documentary, then they would quite likely stumble across it.

- I have no interest in being known for this. I have no interest in being on tv. This wouldn't pay much so essentially there is no benefit to it.

- I would not want to share my real life with total strangers and then anyone who wishes to watch. People filming around where I live would probably give away my location. Essentially the question should be "Why would a camgirl risk doing this?" rather than "Why wouldn't a camgirl do this?".

- If it would be a hope for publicity for my camming, well, I seriously doubt it would be, at least not good publicity. I think it would quite likely end up putting you more in the spotlight for trolls and cappers rather than bringing new tippers. Although I could be wrong.

- It's kind of like saying to someone who goes on skype for a normal video conversation "well you're comfortable here, why don't you do television?" Sitting at home in your room looking at your computer and dancing around a little bit and chatting is a VERY different thing to doing anything in real life. For example I don't think I would have the confidence to be a stripper, and I couldn't have someone else film me doing one of my vids.

- As has already been pointed out, you can be portrayed in a way you wouldn't like to be in documentaries, you can say things you don't mean to and generally make a tit out of yourself.

Actually I don't see any reasons why I WOULD do this. All it seems to be is a hell of a lot of hassle and really no benefits out of it. If I wanted to be on tv then I would try and be on tv. As it is I am a camgirl. In fact, when I became a camgirl I lost any ideas of ever appearing on television.

 

[Anonymous]

This is the first I'm hearing about this cam girl movie. I hope the person in charge of it isn't gonna try to paint cam models as "screwed up women who are doing it out of desperation." I keep thinking about some of the knuckleheads we get in free chat who ask "Why do you do this?" EAT ME...that's why. LOL.

 

[Nordling]

This is the first I'm hearing about this cam girl movie. I hope the person in charge of it isn't gonna try to paint cam models as "screwed up women who are doing it out of desperation." I keep thinking about some of the knuckleheads we get in free chat who ask "Why do you do this?" EAT ME...that's why. LOL.

Ha! I just saw this cartoon last night...